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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bill_hudacek/status/1235348427099312128 | Mar 05 01:12 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bill_hudacek: Rough news for some of us techies. https://t.co/rbzEcOuz5g Come on, @Linus__Torvalds - be the hero again... | Mar 05 01:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The Linux Foundation is Sometimes Against Linux and Its Official Blog Posts Come From Microsoft Veterans This Month (Nowadays It’s Not Even Shocking) | Techrights | Mar 05 01:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Rough news for some of us techies. | Mar 05 01:12 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/03/03/microsoft-speaking-for-linux-foundation/ … | Mar 05 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Come on, @Linus__Torvalds - be the hero again... | Mar 05 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1235265059527376896 | Mar 05 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @BrideOfLinux I wrote off the Linux Foundation ages ago. They're corporate tools and incompetent. | Mar 05 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Carla Luna Lovegood Schroder 🚀 @CarlaSchroder 7h7 hours ago | Mar 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz | More | Mar 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz | I wrote off the Linux Foundation ages ago. They're corporate tools and incompetent. | Mar 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz | 2 replies 0 retweets 1 like | Mar 05 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/passthejoe/status/1235266666453299201 | Mar 05 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux That article wasn't the best. I'm not sure what's really going on, though the Linux Fo… https://t.co/z5H8rQfl8i | Mar 05 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux That article wasn't the best. I'm not sure what's really going on, though the Linux Fo… https://t.co/z5H8rQfl8i | Mar 05 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz | the Linux Foundation does seem fairly useless. Distancing from RMS and not mentioning GNU every two seconds is OK, though. | Mar 05 01:26 |
| schestowitz | 3 replies 0 retweets 1 like | Mar 05 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1235279886232805381 | Mar 05 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @passthejoe @CarlaSchroder I basically posted the link and comment that it didn't take long for Roy at Techrights t… https://t.co/LgUYF3PyeD | Mar 05 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @passthejoe @CarlaSchroder I basically posted the link and comment that it didn't take long for Roy at Techrights t… https://t.co/LgUYF3PyeD | Mar 05 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | "I basically posted the link and comment that it didn't take long for Roy at Techrights to notice and make noise about another Microsoftie at LF. Personally, I don't care one way or another, since I no longer consider LF to be an organization that represents my concerns." | Mar 05 01:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1235287760547827712 | Mar 05 01:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe They were already on my bad list before the last round of firings that put Swapnil in ch… https://t.co/rRDu3xQD9M | Mar 05 01:28 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe They were already on my bad list before the last round of firings that put Swapnil in ch… https://t.co/rRDu3xQD9M | Mar 05 01:28 | |
| schestowitz | "They were already on my bad list before the last round of firings that put Swapnil in charge as a solo act. That sealed it. I was surprised that Swap took the job." | Mar 05 01:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1235288095764951054 | Mar 05 01:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe They got on my bad list when they did away with the community members for the sole purpo… https://t.co/e8Pa0DjDHy | Mar 05 01:28 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe They got on my bad list when they did away with the community members for the sole purpo… https://t.co/e8Pa0DjDHy | Mar 05 01:28 | |
| schestowitz | "They got on my bad list when they did away with the community members for the sole purpose of quelling dissent. How utterly Republican of them." | Mar 05 01:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1235289331918569473 | Mar 05 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe Everytime I write something critical about LF, their supporters get on my case with a "L… https://t.co/rUmJfxR2Lj | Mar 05 01:29 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe Everytime I write something critical about LF, their supporters get on my case with a "L… https://t.co/rUmJfxR2Lj | Mar 05 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:29 |
| schestowitz | More | Mar 05 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Everytime I write something critical about LF, their supporters get on my case with a "LF is a trade association" argument, which I explain isn't how it was sold to us when it took ownership of Linux development. | Mar 05 01:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1235290103603441664 | Mar 05 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @BrideOfLinux @passthejoe lol like "LF is a trade association" makes it better | Mar 05 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1235303000425590784 | Mar 05 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder @passthejoe I think their point is "we're very upfront about being a capitalist institution." | Mar 05 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1235265725415084033 | Mar 05 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @BrideOfLinux LOL swapnil and perlow on the LF payroll...omg... | Mar 05 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1235280488304119808 | Mar 05 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: @CarlaSchroder Well, they have two people who know how to shout. :-) | Mar 05 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/passthejoe/status/1235267598817751040 | Mar 05 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux The GitHub thing is a bit of a canard. They asked for your GitHub URL, though it wasn'… https://t.co/AQVUpVDeJQ | Mar 05 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux The GitHub thing is a bit of a canard. They asked for your GitHub URL, though it wasn'… https://t.co/AQVUpVDeJQ | Mar 05 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | "The GitHub thing is a bit of a canard. They asked for your GitHub URL, though it wasn't mandatory (no * by it). If 95 percent of us weren't on GitHub, it might be seen as a promotion of same. Is GitLab the alternative? The code is open, but the company is not without problems." | Mar 05 01:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/passthejoe/status/1235267788588998656 | Mar 05 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux That said, I am open to an online git service that is not GitHub. | Mar 05 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1235286100266143751 | Mar 05 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @BrideOfLinux @passthejoe Corporate members are fine, FOSS is for everyone. But he LF does not believe this & elect… https://t.co/FXS0fLgJVA | Mar 05 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @BrideOfLinux @passthejoe Corporate members are fine, FOSS is for everyone. But he LF does not believe this & elect… https://t.co/FXS0fLgJVA | Mar 05 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | "ot believe this & elected to become a corporate shill. They earned my undying contempt for firing all the editors & writers at http://Linux.com without warning or word of thanks & replaced them with shills." | Mar 05 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linux.com | Linux.com - News For Open Source Professionals | Mar 05 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1235265059527376896 | Mar 05 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @BrideOfLinux I wrote off the Linux Foundation ages ago. They're corporate tools and incompetent. | Mar 05 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Carla Luna Lovegood Schroder 🚀 @CarlaSchroder 6h6 hours ago | Mar 05 01:35 |
| schestowitz | More | Mar 05 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Corporate members are fine, FOSS is for everyone. But he LF does not believe this & elected to become a corporate shill. They earned my undying contempt for firing all the editors & writers at http://Linux.com without warning or word of thanks & replaced them with shills. | Mar 05 01:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1235271092287102977 | Mar 05 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @passthejoe @BrideOfLinux The LF barely pretends to promote FOSS & exposed their corporate love when they discontin… https://t.co/KhPP12m3ur | Mar 05 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CarlaSchroder: @passthejoe @BrideOfLinux The LF barely pretends to promote FOSS & exposed their corporate love when they discontin… https://t.co/KhPP12m3ur | Mar 05 01:39 | |
| schestowitz | "The LF barely pretends to promote FOSS & exposed their corporate love when they discontinued individual memberships years ago. Then they broke their promise to maintain http://Linux.com as a community resource, and screwed over everyone who wrote for it. Fuckem." | Mar 05 01:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/passthejoe/status/1235266666453299201 | Mar 05 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux That article wasn't the best. I'm not sure what's really going on, though the Linux Fo… https://t.co/z5H8rQfl8i | Mar 05 01:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@passthejoe: @CarlaSchroder @BrideOfLinux That article wasn't the best. I'm not sure what's really going on, though the Linux Fo… https://t.co/z5H8rQfl8i | Mar 05 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | "That article wasn't the best. I'm not sure what's really going on, though the Linux Foundation does seem fairly useless. Distancing from RMS and not mentioning GNU every two seconds is OK, though." | Mar 05 01:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GilbertBouic/status/1235375364886736901 | Mar 05 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GilbertBouic: @schestowitz What aid money is clean? | Mar 05 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aneesafilisteen/status/1235317002044137472 | Mar 05 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@aneesafilisteen: @VieChantant @schestowitz @WikiLeaksShop @wikileaks https://t.co/omCWyJP8so | Mar 05 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gofundme.com | Fundraiser by Christine Assange : Save My Son Julian | Mar 05 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aneesafilisteen/status/1235314184604307457 | Mar 05 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@aneesafilisteen: @Wirral_Innit @schestowitz @couragefound @transparency_de @nrecherche @SMaurizi @AJListeningPost @RSF_inter https://t.co/omCWyJP8so | Mar 05 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ISLBA_les/status/1235255319187447808 | Mar 05 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ISLBA_les: #letsencrypt @easyname_at https://t.co/WHvDgrKY8u | Mar 05 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Check If Your Domain Is Affected By #Letsencrypt CAA Rechecking Bug https://t.co/DmcH3SK9hL also contact them: https://t.co/SMdqkkSSXx | Mar 05 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1235254047197843457 | Mar 05 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz do you have a copy of the article? | Mar 05 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1235254047197843457 | Mar 05 01:51 |
| schestowitz | it's a link in my post | Mar 05 01:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zerocutster_AK/status/1235250981316603905 | Mar 05 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zerocutster_AK: @RedOwlDr @schestowitz ... be skeptical of EVERYTHING ... everything !~ ... | Mar 05 01:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RedOwlDr/status/1235250218431426560 | Mar 05 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RedOwlDr: @zerocutster_AK @schestowitz Apparently there is a price for permission to violate human rights.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | Mar 05 01:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xxlordofearthra/status/1235236523815194624 | Mar 05 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@xxlordofearthra: @schestowitz @LlnuxBot pie | Mar 05 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xxlordofearthra/status/1235236488369057792 | Mar 05 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@xxlordofearthra: @schestowitz @LlnuxBot buye | Mar 05 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wirral_Innit/status/1235229667201777669 | Mar 05 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Wirral_Innit: @schestowitz @couragefound @transparency_de @nrecherche @SMaurizi @AJListeningPost @RSF_inter And wealthy "criminal… https://t.co/aBT8U35WCR | Mar 05 01:53 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Wirral_Innit: @schestowitz @couragefound @transparency_de @nrecherche @SMaurizi @AJListeningPost @RSF_inter And wealthy "criminal… https://t.co/aBT8U35WCR | Mar 05 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | "And wealthy "criminal lawyers" are literally acting out their job titles and getting even richer on it.' | Mar 05 01:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Crypt0_Wolf/status/1235229435193962496 | Mar 05 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Crypt0_Wolf: @RealCTemplar @schestowitz I thought you might be interested in this... | Mar 05 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zerocutster_AK/status/1235226693830193152 | Mar 05 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zerocutster_AK: @schestowitz @RedOwlDr ... " the love of money is the ..." ... | Mar 05 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RedOwlDr/status/1235225895037591553 | Mar 05 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RedOwlDr: @schestowitz Interesting. I didn't see your posts about #hrw in my feed. | Mar 05 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | For a number of months I posted maybe a couple hundred of links to them | Mar 05 01:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jaromil/status/1235176534559920128 | Mar 05 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jaromil: Spot on book about corporate integration and exploitation of knowledge commons and the free software movement… https://t.co/cCaNCwE0Mv | Mar 05 01:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jaromil: Spot on book about corporate integration and exploitation of knowledge commons and the free software movement… https://t.co/cCaNCwE0Mv | Mar 05 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Denis Roio Retweeted Benjamin Birkinbine | Mar 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Spot on book about corporate integration and exploitation of knowledge commons and the free software movement @francesca_bria @schestowitz @fsf @DyneOrg | Mar 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmbyR00/status/1235145753137471489 | Mar 05 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @schestowitz We will also need to cut down those trees, store them underground (and maybe build a few buildings too… https://t.co/eVeO9wl7rA | Mar 05 01:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AmbyR00: @schestowitz We will also need to cut down those trees, store them underground (and maybe build a few buildings too… https://t.co/eVeO9wl7rA | Mar 05 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | "We will also need to cut down those trees, store them underground (and maybe build a few buildings too), and plant a new forest, repeat that a few times, so that we can clean up the carbon from the atmosphere." | Mar 05 01:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PamMaccabee/status/1235141931468021760 | Mar 05 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PamMaccabee: Israel govt repels me.c100% revulsion🤑😭🤮 https://t.co/SOXRa565GW | Mar 05 01:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #trump and his mates in control of #israeln https://t.co/EhbcMCWe9M | Mar 05 01:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1235528906633080832 | Mar 05 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Large German Publisher Helps EPO Cover Up Abuses While Relaying Lies (Which Are in Turn Relayed to EPO Staff)… https://t.co/NdEtzgnrqk | Mar 05 11:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Large German Publisher Helps EPO Cover Up Abuses While Relaying Lies (Which Are in Turn Relayed to EPO Staff)… https://t.co/NdEtzgnrqk | Mar 05 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | Large German Publisher Helps EPO Cover Up Abuses While Relaying Lies (Which Are in Turn Relayed to EPO Staff) #media #newspaper #publishers #deception #patents #Germany #Deutschland #Munich #München #Europe"" | Mar 05 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1583406359855#c2984746331237656369 | Mar 05 15:01 |
| schestowitz | ""now or now" = "now or not"" | Mar 05 15:01 |
| schestowitz | heh, common typo | Mar 05 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKat | Mar 05 15:01 | |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 10:27:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing all 4 papers this year and I'm absolutely gutted. all that preparations and time sacrificed | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 10:27:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | This is big news. I suspect this is in large part the result of the situation in Italy though the rest of Europe may soon be as bad. | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | An exam that has to be sat simultaneously across the continent is surprisingly vulnerable to this kind of thing. | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 10:33:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | It is regrettable and certainly preparing for the pre-exam and EQEs is not a trivial matter. However, in the interest of minimising the risks of contracting the disease and/or someone unknowingly spreading the virus, postponement should always be considered. And implemented. Better to get qualified slightly later than to end up with pneumonia or worse. | Mar 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Replies | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:09:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I understand the EPO's decision. its not their fault and they are only following advice from governments. However, this is having a huge impact on me. All this effort, work and preparations for 7-8 months. I've already taken days off from work for these exams and cannot afford to take more off. Its difficult to now prepare/plan next. Please do excuse the rant. Feeling a bit anxious | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 14:05:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Except it's not the advice of governments. Except the zones in northern Italy, the official advice is "business as usual" at the moment. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | ExhaustedThursday, 5 March 2020 at 10:43:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Let's hope the EPO decide whether to reschedule (and if so, when) or cancel sooner rather than later. Are we all meant to remain in a revision limbo whilst we await a new date for the exams? | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:10:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | its crazy. the uncertainty is making it very difficult to prepare now. I can't concentrate | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 10:58:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Erp, hold on, seems CIPA (and the other organisers?) weren't informed and want the decision reversed: | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | "Statement on EQE cancellation | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | The news of the cancellation of this year's European Qualifying Exams by the Supervisory Board of the EQE has come as a tremendous shock to candidates, their employers and to CIPA. Our student members invest a large part of their professional and personal lives in preparing to qualify as European Patent Attorneys and we share the sense of uncertainty, frustration and disappointment that they must be feeling this morning. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | At this stage, CIPA has not received official confirmation of the cancellation and our plans to host the EQE in Walsall remain in place. We will be communicating our concerns about the impact this decision will have on the UK profession to the Supervisory Board of the EQE. We will be asking that this decision be reversed and that all other options are considered. We will update members as soon as we know more." | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | So, on behalf of the hundreds of UK candidates wondering if they should cancel their hotel and travel books right now or now, let me ask: What on earth is going on? | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:05:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | "now or now" = "now or not" | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:04:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | If I were to guess, I'd say the chances of postponement are small. Missing a year would be terrible for all concerned. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:31:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Its a pretty rubbish statement from CIPA. Why cast doubt in already stressed minds by saying: | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | "At this stage, CIPA has not received official confirmation of the cancellation and our plans to host the EQE in Walsall remain in place." | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Sort it out behind closed doors, then issue a statement. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Reply | Mar 05 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:41:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't just blame CIPA on this. If the EPO didn't already talk to the organisers before cancelling that's really poor management on their part. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Agreed that it's just silly to call for the decision to be reversed though. It obviously won't be and making out that it will just leaves people not knowing if they still have to prepare for potentially the most important exams of their lives or not. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:43:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Completely agree with this. Nobody was expecting CIPA to issue a comment, so dont see why they did this and create confusion rather than checking before sending. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | On a side note, great passion from CIPA about trainee welfare etc. Shame they couldn't channel that for P6. | Mar 05 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:44:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | CIPA probably heard about this the same time as everyone else, and will be as pissed off as everyone else. I can see why it wants to issue a statement immediately saying that it is working to cancel the decision. If CIPA didn't put something out immediately, people would be saying "what's CIPA doing about this?" etc | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:50:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | It's probably so that people don't cancel travel and accommodation arrangements, just in case. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Fingers crossed it goes ahead in the UK. All the trainees in my firm have put in long hours of study for months on end, it's galling for the rug to be pulled out from under us. At the same time, I can't see the Supervisory Board being okay with e.g. the UK sitting it in March and e.g. Italy/Munich not sitting it until the danger has passed/not sitting it until 2021. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | HalcyonThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:56:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | To be fair to CIPA, their statement may prevent people from immediately cancelling travel and accommodation plans, which would be very annoying if it turns out in a few days that the EPO reverses its decision. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | I don't hold much hope for that happening. The EPO would lose too much face by flip-flopping on it now. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:11:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | if you look at the other blog - delta patents. Some candidates are already cancelling their hotels,travels etc... to get as much money back as possible. My firm is also telling me to do this asap. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:12:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | what should I do? just wait. for how long. Worried that we won't be given a refund for hotels, travels etc.. if we continue to wait. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:17:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "At the same time, I can't see the Supervisory Board being okay with e.g. the UK sitting it in March and e.g. Italy/Munich not sitting it until the danger has passed/not sitting it until 2021." | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Am in two minds about this. Standard practise is to have a back-up paper to issue just in case the main exam becomes accidentally compromised. The EPO almost certainly have a back-up paper they could use with the exam centres which cannot go ahead with the exam whilst the ones that can would sit the original one. It could be done. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | At the same time the exams are supposed to be the same and held simultaneously. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | At any rate, whatever decision was made should have been discussed properly before hand. This very clearly was not done. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:59:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | I thought of that, but even with the back up system it's everyone doing the same paper. If you have two different exams in the same year you'd likely get people complaining that one version was easier than the other, especially if you had a situation like the 2018 pre-EQE, with ~8/80 questions awarding marks for both True and False - the problem of not grading on a curve. We'll see how the chips fall - I sincerely hope the UK goes | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | ahead with the exam this month, but I don't know how likely that is. | Mar 05 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | HalcyonThursday, 5 March 2020 at 11:53:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | I can't see postponement happening, it's not like the virus is going away any time soon and we've not reached the peak of the epidemic yet. Organizing venues across multiple member states suffering different levels of viral outbreak at different times is going to be a logistic nightmare. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Regarding the pre-exam, it wouldn't be unreasonable to allow sitting of the main exam without the pre-exam for those that were registered for it this year. In the event of complete cancellation, the venues will need to be large enough to house twice the usual number of candidates, so the most we can salvage is to not hold back the pre-EQE cohort by a year. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | The EPO should just allow each member state to make its own decision as to whether to continue with the exam on the original date, or not at all, based on their own situation. At least some people will get a shot that way, because there's very, very little hope of it taking place at any other time between now and EQE 2021. The fact that CIPA weren't consulted on this is rather concerning. | Mar 05 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:14:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Agree with this. The UK isn't stopping people flying in (i.e. to stop the spread from Europe) nor is it stopping public gatherings. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Why does the EQE feel it has to take actions in excess of national governments? | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:27:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | July-August 2020 still looks possible, no? Judging by the situation in China, where the spread of the disease seems to have been slowed to a great extent (even accounting for likely underreporting by Chinese authorities) it is possible to beat it within a few months. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Agreed that the apparent lack of communication with local organisers like CIPA is very concerning. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:26:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "Why does the EQE feel it has to take actions in excess of national governments?" | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | My guess is that the situation in Italy, where schools and universities have been closed, travel limited etc. is the decider. The exam has to take place simultaneously across Europe with the same paper, and that wouldn't be the case if the Italian candidates weren't allowed to sit it because of the situation there. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:43:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | July-Aug would be a terrible time - Summer holidays. so NO. October possibly. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | HalcyonThursday, 5 March 2020 at 14:07:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure about July-August 2020. It seems the current aim, at least here in the UK, is to delay the peak of the epidemic to the summer to ease the strain on the National Health Service, and with a hope that there's a seasonal component to how the virus is transmitted. With that in mind, there may still be a wave, and potentially larger at that, of cases across Europe in the summer. | Mar 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Harsh as it may sound, I don't think going ahead with the exam without Italy is that bad of a solution. Not very nice for Italian candidates, certainly, but if they can't sit it anyway due to national-level decisions, it makes no difference to them whether their colleagues across the border are able to have a go this year. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | As an aside, I'm not sure that it's fair to say the Chinese authorities are underreporting. It's easy to fake the absolute numbers, but far more difficult to fake a trend. Given the rate of increase, the reported numbers and observed numbers would be off by orders of magnitude by now if they were significantly underreporting. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:14:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I think its fair if the EPO apply some sort of discretion to the EQE candidates especially the main EQEs. This sort of thing has not happened before so I can only sympathise with this year candidates. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:16:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Should PEB exams in October be moved from October or postponed until we get clarity for EQEs. its going to have knock-on effect especially for individuals taking them. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:21:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Why on earth would EPO not tell CIPA. Such poor communications from all invovled. Its not like Coronavirus suddenly appeared. They knew this was an issue since January so EPO should constantly be in contact with CIPA. I don't think its CIPA's fault if EPO didn't tell them however communications across EPO and CIPA must improve. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | After all, the exams take place every year so there is no excuse for poor communications on both sides. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I feel so sorry for EQE candidates this year. Nightmare. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | GuttedThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:23:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Preparing for the main EQEs is no small task. I have a family and have been locking myself away from family and friends for weeks preparing for these important exams. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I do understand the EPO's decision but its extremely upsetting to put in all this hard work and made so many tough decisions on my personal life to take these exams only for it to be taken away. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:22:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | You have my sympathies. I am in the same boat. I have young kids who I'd be out with on the weekends if not for exam prep. Last year sat all four and that was a real trial, only Paper A to do this time round but it's still not easy. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Right now, because of the confused communications, I have no idea if I should be revising this weekend or not. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:46:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing all 4. done all the papers I could possibly do and now don't know whether to continue or not. I'm actually exhausted but the main problem is I can't do those same papers again. I've seen them! so this is not going to go well. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 12:23:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheCIPA/status/1235538598889308160 | Mar 05 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheCIPA: To avoid any further confusion - we are NOT saying the EQEs are going ahead. Merely that we have received no confir… https://t.co/ma4nQJjWVt | Mar 05 15:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheCIPA: To avoid any further confusion - we are NOT saying the EQEs are going ahead. Merely that we have received no confir… https://t.co/ma4nQJjWVt | Mar 05 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | @TheCIPA: To avoid any further confusion - we are NOT saying the EQEs are going ahead. Merely that we have received no confirmation from the Supervisory Board of the EQE. We do not organise the exams and had no say over their cancellation. https://twitter.com/IanLeighJones/status/1235523875020181506 … | Mar 05 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@IanLeighJones: @EPOorg can you let @TheCIPA know whats going on. CIPA have sent emails this morning saying that they have not hear… https://t.co/MYt8tWHapX | Mar 05 15:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@IanLeighJones: @EPOorg can you let @TheCIPA know whats going on. CIPA have sent emails this morning saying that they have not hear… https://t.co/MYt8tWHapX | Mar 05 15:10 | |
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| schestowitz | Concerned of 1312Thursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:07:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Regarding communication with CIPA -my understanding is that the EPO only discuss the EQE's in the UK with the UK IPO. The IPO then delegate the organisation to CIPA. It is too long of a chain. This is part of the reason for the Ashton Gate concourse mess a few years back and difficulty communicating the number of available places the first time Walsall was used as a venue. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | My thoughts go out to the trainees who have spent a lot of energy preparing for these exams. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:26:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | My heart sincerely wishes for the exam to go ahead in at least some countries, but my head tells me it cannot. It would be irresponsible to go ahead in Italy now, therefore the whole lot must be postponed or cancelled. It would be totally unacceptable to go ahead without Italy being involved. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | This is the only reasonable decision. Also better to say now rather than wait until next week. | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it would be possible to use the back-up paper in just a few venues for a whole host of reasons. Marking and moderating two papers in one year would be difficult. People would complain that one was easier or that some candidates had more time to prepare. Also, the second paper wouldn't have a back-up so what would happen if it were compromised? | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Unfortunately, I'm not holding out a lot of hope for a postponement either. Could the venues across all countries be arranged in time? Can a time be found that doesn't clash , e.g., the UK exams? Would sufficient invigilators be available? Can the 2021 session still be arranged while the 2020 session is re-arranged? Can it be marked in time so that candidates know whether they need to prepare to re-sit in 2021? | Mar 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I hate to be a pessimist but I think the next EQE will be held in March 2021. | Mar 05 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:50:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | That's so crazy. Its going to massively impact candidates personal and professional lives. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I can only feel for this year. Through no fault of their own. Can CIPA or EPO do something. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Doubling the number of candidates in 1 year is going to also be impossible to cope with. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | HalcyonThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:59:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure I agree that it would be "totally unacceptable to go ahead without Italy being involved", sure it's not great for those in Italy, but it would mean many others could still continue. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | As to whether there's a difference in difficulty between the paper and the back-up paper, I don't see how that is any different to a difference in difficulty between the papers of different years. So long as they're each marked and moderated independently of one another, what does it matter if there's a difference in difficulty? | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 14:25:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I find myself agreeing somewhat with Halcyon. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | The situation is similar to the Italian exam centre burning down on the day of the exam - in that situation surely the exams would just go ahead everywhere but Italy? | Mar 05 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 13:54:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I think rescheduling is highly unlikely. No exams are likely to take place in the next 3 months. June - Italians have their national exams. July/Aug - everyone (in the EPO) on holiday. September is a potential but as previously mentioned in the comments organising the EQEs are done at least a year in advance. October - UK exams. And you then start getting too close to the Feb 2021 exams (eg results available in time for resitters to | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | reapply for 2021 and revise etc). Plus: Regulation on the European qualifying examination for professional representatives | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Article 1 | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | European qualifying examination | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | (2) The examination shall normally be held once a year. The period between two examinations shall not exceed twenty-five months. | Mar 05 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Gilman GrundyThursday, 5 March 2020 at 14:05:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | They have to be capable to holding substitute exams with less than a year's preparation. There was always the possibility of something like an exam hall burning down or something like that occurring. Similarly clashes with national exams can be compensated for by e.g., moving the national exams to November/early December. | Mar 05 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 14:20:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | The main reason appears to be that the EPO aren't allowing their staff to travel to exam centres. And the rules of the EQE say that EPO staff have to be present. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | But it shouldn't be that difficult to make an exception to that rule, provided that suitable local invigilators can take responsibility. However, that needs to be arranged immediately. Surely it's better than the exam goes ahead as planned in places that it can do so, rather it doesn't go ahead at all? | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Today's statement is disproportionate and completely against current government advice. The current guidance is "business as usual" in Europe, other than in northern Italy. People's careers and so people's livelihoods are at stake here, and it will cause massive disruption to the industry as a whole. If examinees are concerned about the risks of the virus, they are not compelled to take the exam and can wait until next year - rather | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | than having everyone thrown into their boat. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | If, as appears most likely, there isn't an EQE until March 2021, then there has to be an additional EQE in autumn 2021 for people resitting. It's entirely unfair that people should have to wait an entire extra year to resit and wait more than 2 years from now to get qualified, just because they accidentally do a slightly wrong amendment in Paper B for example. | Mar 05 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | AnonymousThursday, 5 March 2020 at 14:40:00 GMT | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | More evidence as to why having an approach of coursework/exam mixture is good. Relying entirely on exams as we see in this situation has too much of a large impact on everyone. | Mar 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1583419229673#c2285589984381958133 | Mar 05 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKat | Mar 05 15:11 | |
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