●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 05, 2022 ●● ● Sep 05 [02:03] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [02:04] *_Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:04] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-khg.8gm.6sbul1.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [02:22] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@c4qaus68ih5hi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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It takes a URL as an argument. [11:13] Techrights-sec I'm not sure, yet, how to tie it into the current work flow. It needs [11:13] Techrights-sec hard testing first, anyway. [11:13] Techrights-sec It outputs the markup for the thumbnail and / or image [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 thanks! [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 I've tried running it [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 from its location [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 from my owqn homedit [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 with url [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 without url [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 with perl before [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 and without (implicity, in the file) [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 I get error messages so far [11:18] Techrights-sec checking [11:18] Techrights-sec oops. it needs the matching file in /var/www/tux/machines.org/db [11:18] Techrights-sec just a sec [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 yes, I got some errors to that effect,l depending on what I tried [11:26] Techrights-sec ok should work now [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 it seems to work! [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 is the thumbnail for index pages? [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 oh, wait... I see now, the image references its own full scale version [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 that is good [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 I've cretaed zsh aliases for all users too [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 for add and update [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 rianne will be busy with the second exam till thurs, so I will post more [11:33] Techrights-sec excellent [11:33] Techrights-sec The thumbnail is for the post itself. The idea is that the page should [11:33] Techrights-sec not serve up a giant, wasteful image that's justgoing to be rendered down [11:33] Techrights-sec in the browser anyway -- unless the visitor actively wishes to see the full [11:33] Techrights-sec image. [11:33] Techrights-sec Right now it only works with http / https URLs [11:33] Techrights-sec nice [11:33] Techrights-sec this is still in the early phase and needs a lot of work before rolling out [11:33] Techrights-sec also the work flow must be tweaked first so that it will fit in [11:34] Techrights-sec Ok. I hope she does well on the next exam too [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 the second exam is easier and she wants to get a perfect score or almost perfect [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 which is possible [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 I am going to knock on it for a bit, in real-time [sic] scenarioa [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 idea: the shell wrapped can invoke it prior to metadata [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 "Does this page have an image?" [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 Supply url... [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 maybe it can even preload that into nano, I'm not sure [11:49] Techrights-sec yes, I think that might be the approach. The workflow around nano will need [11:49] Techrights-sec minor adjustment first though. [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 excellent, I'm so happy about this and rianne looks forward to having images restored to her workflow [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 if the workflow is fast, then even cluster pages I'll add images to [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 btw, we just did a long run around the area, non-stop, sent parcel (sale), and fed many geese [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 it's an unusually sunny day, so we took advantage [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 the next 3 days she'll study to perfect the mock exams [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 for the pevious one we practiced togehter, it was for spoken english, not "life in the uk" [11:55] Techrights-sec Great. ● Sep 05 [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 success! just added our first page, today's howtos, with the perl-processed routine for the image [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 the image is clickable [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 I'll think hard of workflow [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 and ask rianne for input as well [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 I know her previous workflow and wrote her some bash and dialog tools for it [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 going through the LF IRS stuff, I recognise the wordpress workflow is all wrong [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 same for social control media [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 for quicker output and better effect the tools need to be custom-made [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 for dozens of posts per day, less f**ing around with GUIs and more pipes instead [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 I spent a lot of time fighting with wordpress over things that are rigid, like choosing image [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 dimensionsn categories etc. [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 drupal 7-9 are even worse in that regard (I know them from work) [12:18] Techrights-sec thanks [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 I've changes the image crontab to retrieve from /i [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 I am guessing that in due court we might make some subdirs there [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 as you can expect about 10k new images per year [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 x2 (thumbnails) [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 these images will have historic value as 5-10 years down the line few of these sites are still online [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 all that remains is the gist and maybe an image [12:23] Techrights-sec excellent [12:23] Techrights-sec probably [12:23] Techrights-sec maybe that should be done sooner than later perhaps by year or year+month [12:23] Techrights-sec is granular enough? [12:23] Techrights-sec ack [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 if you add dir death, be sure not to move any existing files, as that would break links [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 likewise, "Features" can stay as it is [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 maybe one day we'll use that mostly for Feature articles where we put PDFs and such [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 where "i" (image) is not the right processing class or dir name [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 I do plan to use the spare time to write some original material [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 this pas weekend I slept a lot more than usual [12:28] Techrights-sec checking [12:28] Techrights-sec testing != production [12:28] Techrights-sec don't add anymore that you expect to keep until later [12:28] Techrights-sec more changes are needed first to the script, then to the work flow, then [12:28] Techrights-sec to the script again [12:28] Techrights-sec Original material is highly valuable even if difficult and time consuming [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 a) yes, I will dop originals [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 the drupal 6 UI was never great for blogging [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 took a long time to teach, not just to use [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 b) I on ly added two images with the new tool [12:31] Techrights-sec okthanks [12:31] Techrights-sec ack [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 I'll now go back to the old way [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 consider them 2 tests, and they worked [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 c) the latest two pages (Ubuntu and howtos) [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 demonstrate how it came out [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 I'll soon do today's second batch of Daily Links [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 I finished 4 stright days at 'work' (I no longer do much, I try to 'protest' but they don't get it) [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 I will probably add some "daily gemini" post to tuxmachines at some stage [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 for only the technical gemini posts of the day [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 I reckon there's over a dozen per 1-2 days [12:31] schestowitz-TR2 but need disclaimer added for those who don't know how to open the links [12:34] Techrights-sec disclaimer or a short guide to acquiring a gemini client [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 it would be similar to the one liner we use in techrights Daily Links [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 maybe even the exact same text [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 and some image banner that -- long with the title -- makes it clear it's mostly for the gemini:// userbase/side [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 maybe some stories can 'seduce' readers into downloading a client [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 the front page of www.tuxmachines.org puts gemini prominently at the top right [12:34] Techrights-sec and a brief overview of the idea and goals behind the project [12:34] Techrights-sec Yes the idea would be to pique interest in it [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 ...come to think of it, no need to wait, I can experiment already adding gemini links to TM [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 then see how the links get handled by the gem side of the site/platform [12:47] Techrights-sec Only just a few, for the start. If there are too many without a populare move [12:47] Techrights-sec to adopt it, their presence will just irritate people. [12:48] Techrights-sec But a few now and then would be good for a test of the reception by people and [12:48] Techrights-sec to see how the site generator deals with them. [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 I will cherry-pick from this past weekend... eta 5 mins ● Sep 05 [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 ok, see the latest page, in gemini:// is gives headings correctly but they lack a URI [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 it probably scans only for httpX and not gemini/gopher [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 ok, had to edit a few times for html to look better [13:11] Techrights-sec checking [13:11] Techrights-sec which URL points to a page demonstrating the problem? [13:11] Techrights-sec It processes gemini:// links, or at least is supposed to but will append [13:11] Techrights-sec the curled arrow to 'external' links which use http https [13:11] Techrights-sec Seems ok: [13:11] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/05/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 aha [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 unless you changed the code [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 the issue was with my hypertext/markup [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 and fixing that in turn fixed the gemini page too [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 so we're good to go [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 I put aside template text for this [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 will keep the headline consistent so people can easily filter it out [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 if they loathe gemini/gopher [13:49] Techrights-sec the code is still the same since the 3rd [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 would it be worth reusing some of these thumbnail-sized images in techrights daily links? I think it would complicate things for gemini @ TR [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 and add some bloat [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 upon further thinking it would overcomplicate the workflow too much if inline images were added to Daily Links [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 severel programs already parse through it [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 I was thinking earlier, maybe we can add the [Source] -> [Headline] pair based on Camelcase in TuxMachines [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 the processing might be similar and it adds a better understanding of what source links come from [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 so they don't have to click if they hate the publisher [13:54] Techrights-sec ack [13:54] Techrights-sec Since there is no javascript, the domain should still be visible when hovering [13:54] Techrights-sec over links. [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 yes, but without browser extensions that would be tedious and maybe gemini clients do not have this functionality [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 it is efort-free once put in place and we already have the domain 'dictionaries' [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 btw, there is still an android "app" for tuxmachines [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 but it is not advertised much as it's not privacy-safe [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 it's mostly a preloaded rss reader with some branding added ● Sep 05 [14:01] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:02] schestowitz-TR2 rant; michael west published 8 posts this morning [14:02] schestowitz-TR2 only one is original, the rest is AAP [14:02] schestowitz-TR2 they're 'diluting' the feed [14:02] schestowitz-TR2 if I wanted (A)AP, I'd fucking subscribe to fucking AP (which I would NOT) [14:25] schestowitz-TR2 gonna write a short original in tm to explain we have some gemini clusters and what gemini is [14:25] Techrights-sec ack [14:53] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:54] *rianne has quit (Connection closed) [14:54] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:54] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [14:54] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:59] Techrights-sec FSFE: we used to fight for Software Freedom (before slandering the founder of the movement), now we take bribes from Microsoft, hire lawyers to threaten our critics, and promote veganism/green agenda https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220905-01.en.html [14:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Broad alliance demands: Digitization must serve social and ecological change - FSFE [14:59] schestowitz-TR2 FSFE: we used to fight for Software Freedom (before slandering the founder of the movement), now we take bribes from Microsoft, hire lawyers to threaten our critics, and promote veganism/green agenda https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220905-01.en.html ● Sep 05 [16:20] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:29] Techrights-sec "Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue" [16:29] Techrights-sec https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/05/Tux_Machines_in_Gemini_gemini_tuxmachines_org.shtml [16:29] Techrights-sec If it's got scripts it should be removed then [16:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Tux Machines in Gemini (gemini.tuxmachines.org)" [16:30] schestowitz-TR2 the cerf of the proxy itself is bust [16:30] schestowitz-TR2 I noticed that [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 good news and ODF in draft [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 the issue is not scripts but susa site having expired certificate [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 afaik, he does not use JS [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 the pages are generated by calling a SERVEY site script called proxy or Proxy [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 wait, isn't that the same proxy software you modeled yours after? [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 i forget whose code was sent to us as a tarball [16:55] Techrights-sec checking [16:55] Techrights-sec no, it is this: [16:55] Techrights-sec https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/Proxy.sh?url=gemini.tuxmachines.org [16:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring. ● Sep 05 [18:15] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [18:51] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 05 [19:24] schestowitz-TR2 As usual, Wikipedia is basically a bunch of ads regarding corporations and political figures. Wikipedia is decent as reference for science, language, but for political history and corporations never ever bother with Wikipedia. [19:24] schestowitz-TR2 Wikipedia 2002: new site anyone can edit. Wikipedia 2012: a well-known site many PR agencies edit. Wikipedia 2022: ads. [19:25] schestowitz-TR2 Wikipedia is a collection of ads anyone can temporarily edit. The advertisers will revert back any changes which interfere with the ads' value. 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