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| Techrights-sec | spot on | Oct 05 06:08 |
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| schestowitz-TR | [21:23] <DaemonFC> mjg59_, How long until Microsoft changes that policy? | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:23] <techrights-news> ⨦ (NEW): Khadas Edge2 review with Android 12 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/04/Khadas_Edge2_review_w | Oct 05 06:12 |
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| schestowitz-TR | ith_Android_12.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/04/Khadas_Edge2_review_with_Android_12.gmi | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:23] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Khadas Edge2 review with Android 12 | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:23] <MinceR> the moment they think they can get away with it | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:23] <DaemonFC> Then even better, when they do that, what stops them from issuing dbx updates that revoke all versions of shim and grub? | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:23] <schestowitz[TR]> keyturn killswitch | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:24] <schestowitz[TR]> they have it hibernating on many PCs already | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:24] <MinceR> nothing stops them from doing that | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:24] <MinceR> that's the whole point | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:24] <MinceR> though they'll probably do a false flag operation to "justify" it | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:26] <DaemonFC> The entire point of mjg59_'s "shim" is to evade the GPL's anti-DRM provisions. | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:27] <DaemonFC> If they tried to "sign" GRUB and then tell you that you couldn't run modified versions of it, they'd be in violation of the GPL. | Oct 05 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:27] <DaemonFC> So shim is a GPL evasion tool. | Oct 05 06:12 |
| Techrights-sec | "schestowitz[TR], But will it actually let you turn off Matt GULAG Boot?" | Oct 05 06:12 |
| Techrights-sec | no it will not, soon: | Oct 05 06:12 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000124038/bios-and-operating-system-requirements-to-met-support-secured-core-personal-computing?lang=en | Oct 05 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-BIOS and Operating System Requirements to Met Support Secured-core Personal Computing | Dell US | Oct 05 06:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | thank you microsoft, the diamond sponsor | Oct 05 06:16 |
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| Techrights-sec | I would suspect that there are a lot of ways to modify a cracked system | Oct 05 06:22 |
| Techrights-sec | to ensure it won't ever boot again, and those modifications are equally | Oct 05 06:22 |
| Techrights-sec | possible as remote actions either through trojans, chained exploits, or | Oct 05 06:22 |
| Techrights-sec | simply taking control over the update process upstream by court or military | Oct 05 06:22 |
| Techrights-sec | order. Restricted boot thus doubles as a remote killl switch. | Oct 05 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, germany figured this out a long time ago | Oct 05 06:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | mjg59_ has in effect enabled not only an attack on GNU/Linux | Oct 05 06:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but on computing in genral | Oct 05 06:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just software freedom | Oct 05 06:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is the exact opposite of security | Oct 05 06:23 |
| mjg59_ | You'd suspect incorrectly | Oct 05 06:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, there is the GPL-circumvention aspect too, but that's a legal and | Oct 05 06:29 |
| Techrights-sec | ethical quagmire. Installing a (remote) kill switch to almost brick x86 | Oct 05 06:29 |
| Techrights-sec | hardware is a military or national defense issue. It severely hurts | Oct 05 06:29 |
| Techrights-sec | defensive readiness because as good as all client hardware in both the | Oct 05 06:29 |
| Techrights-sec | public and private sectors are x86, at least as far as general purpose | Oct 05 06:29 |
| Techrights-sec | computing goes. | Oct 05 06:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | I said that almost a decade ago, several times in fact | Oct 05 06:29 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes | Oct 05 06:29 |
| mjg59_ | It's amazing how you just make stuff up | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am sort of 'saying' to myself, wait... is this something new or a eureka moment? | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's mostly a change in wording or framing | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | but both issues we're talking about | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | "war on modified systems" | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | or | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | "remove bricking" | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | those were alluded to in different words many times before | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | that microisoft would IMPOSE this later with OEMs was predicted from the very start | Oct 05 06:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | that link is not even needed as Lenovo ALREADY does it, not merely speaks about it | Oct 05 06:30 |
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| Techrights-sec | Not really but the framing is different now because Putler has a reason to | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | use restricted boot against the West now. | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, it was clear as daylight that m$ was moving that direction and that | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | each step brought us closer to that. | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | Liars and m$ moles would counter each time by saying that the end goal had | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | not yet been acquire so therefore the step in question was "harmless" | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | None of the steps have been harmless in and of themselves and each have hurt | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | general purpose computing in their own way as well as keeping us on the road | Oct 05 06:31 |
| Techrights-sec | to the end of general purpose computing. | Oct 05 06:31 |
| psydruid | is the mole's job to categorically deny any and all wrongdoings? | Oct 05 06:37 |
| psydruid | "There is malware in the firmware that injects malware into your malware" | Oct 05 06:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | to them, BSD and GNU/Linux is the "malware" | Oct 05 06:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | ti prevent it from running | Oct 05 06:39 |
| psydruid | I'm totally fine with that agenda | Oct 05 06:45 |
| psydruid | they should prevent it from running even more | Oct 05 06:46 |
| psydruid | actually it shouldn't run at all now and forever | Oct 05 06:46 |
| psydruid | after | Oct 05 06:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | the important thing is not the losses (or win) | Oct 05 06:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the important thing is that you keep fighting | Oct 05 06:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the important thing is not the losses (or win) | Oct 05 06:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | the important thing is that you keep fighting | Oct 05 06:54 |
| psydruid | so more developers will put all of their efforts into supporting non-x86 hardware with free system firmwares | Oct 05 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are forces and actors to whom users controlling their computing is unacceptable | Oct 05 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if they are not canceled, they might alert other people | Oct 05 06:55 |
| psydruid | the mole can enjoy his career peddling backdoored hardware | Oct 05 06:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | Oct 05 06:56 |
| psydruid | and this why the mole must be present here causing us to play a game of whack-a-mole instead of focusing on what needs to happen | Oct 05 06:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the answer is in the question | Oct 05 06:57 |
| psydruid | from what I see the more open hardware all comes from Asia and China in particular | Oct 05 06:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | or the statement | Oct 05 06:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | people have learned to ignore some moles | Oct 05 06:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they try to | Oct 05 06:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | -get even | Oct 05 06:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | -salvage something by find some way - ANY way - to cancel the mesenger | Oct 05 06:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just china and india | Oct 05 06:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | Russia is trying to make its own domestic chips viable | Oct 05 06:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | they know that in the long run the dying US empire of 6 eyes won't allow anything to boot | Oct 05 06:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | first they spread wsindows everywhere | Oct 05 06:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | now they deliver many boards with trojan horses soldered in so to speak | Oct 05 06:59 |
| psydruid | there are firmwares that inject drivers and utilities into malware operating systems | Oct 05 07:01 |
| psydruid | and people consider this normal | Oct 05 07:01 |
| psydruid | it's not just about windows, it's about furthering the hegemony of US companies over companies from the rest of the world | Oct 05 07:03 |
| psydruid | and imposing US culture too | Oct 05 07:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah, exactly | Oct 05 07:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, we are a thorn on that agenda's side. Hence the name-calling and stalking. | Oct 05 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Yes, I was talking to someone earlier about what I'll do when the PC is hopeless. | Oct 05 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's very nearly there already, as mjg59_ himself pointed out. | Oct 05 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/05/Bill_Gates_Evil_Prophecy.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/05/Bill_Gates_Evil_Prophecy.gmi β | Oct 05 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines β Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy | Oct 05 07:58 | |
| DaemonFC | You have to toggle a setting that for all intents and purposes fucks up Windows to get "Secure" Boot running again. | Oct 05 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: you caught him lying | Oct 05 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | And in that case, you may as well just turn it off and take the hit right there. | Oct 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now he's busted | Oct 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft shill | Oct 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | see the above article | Oct 05 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | I never wanted the PC to end like this. | Oct 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | from a Techrights reader | Oct 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | since like 15 years ago | Oct 05 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | Mainly because other platforms are not as developed and they're not as fast or as cheap (due to mass manufacturing). | Oct 05 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | It's not the technical excellence that keeps me coming back. It's the compatibility and cheapness and the fact that there's no really awful toolchain bugs. | Oct 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | brb | Oct 05 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | You know, you use PowerPC even and GCC can't build Firefox correctly anymore. | Oct 05 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | You need a hacked up GCC just to build it with most of the JavaScript engine optimizations disabled. | Oct 05 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | That really sucks. | Oct 05 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | Linux had good support for PowerPC on the desktop at one point because Macs used it. | Oct 05 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | So there were people using it and making sure it at least didn't break. | Oct 05 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | And now it's a server thing and if you try to use it as a desktop, you don't know what you have. | Oct 05 08:02 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 08:02 |
| Techrights-sec | it seems to be infecting ARM too | Oct 05 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59_, So did you have time to go over my question about flashing UEFI from Hirem's BootCD PE? | Oct 05 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's nice that there's basically no release notes. | Oct 05 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | You have to pass it to find out what's in it, as Pelosi might say. | Oct 05 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see much value in updating the firmware. | Oct 05 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | Best case, you close some holes. Worst case, it slips in something really nasty or goes ahead and hoses your motherboard. | Oct 05 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any indication that Lenovo actually knows a whole hell of a lot about firmware. | Oct 05 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | The last time I flashed it, it was under warranty and 12 revisions in, they still had typos in the UEFI setup program. | Oct 05 08:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe I will ask alejandro, the (c) holder, for permission to reproduce the above article | Oct 05 08:29 |
| mjg59_ | I feel like I've been extremely clear that it's not Pluton that's blocking Linux on the Z13 | Oct 05 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | straw man | Oct 05 08:36 |
| mjg59_ | It's a claim that's made in that article | Oct 05 08:37 |
| mjg59_ | It's quite clearly not a straw man | Oct 05 08:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "Use regular expressions to find and filter content in HTML pages in the grep and pcre2grep command-line utilities." Says Red Hat whose article BLOCKS anyone not running PROPRIETARY JS code... and which also blocks wget https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/05/filter-content-html-using-regular-expressions-grep | Oct 05 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-developers.redhat.com | Filter content in HTML using regular expressions in grep | Red Hat Developer | Oct 05 08:46 | |
| Techrights-sec | <techrights-news> "Use regular expressions to find and filter content in HTML pages in the grep and pcre2grep command-line utilities." Says Red Hat whose article BLOCKS anyone not running PROPRIETARY JS code... and which also blocks wget https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/05/filter-content-html-using-regular-expressions-grep | Oct 05 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec | regex cannot parse HTML or even well-formed XML thus I can tell that the | Oct 05 08:47 |
| Techrights-sec | Red Hat article is 100% bullshit before even clicking on the link. | Oct 05 08:47 |
| Techrights-sec | <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> ⨦ (NEW): Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy | Oct 05 08:47 |
| Techrights-sec | Excellent. By the way, at the end of the article he mentions a FSF campaign | Oct 05 08:47 |
| Techrights-sec | against Vista11, perhaps the profile of that campaign can be elevated? | Oct 05 08:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | that Red Hat started blocking wget is sort of new | Oct 05 08:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | only saw that yesterday | Oct 05 08:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | that it's getting harder and harder to acess the site without JS is a disgrace to what the company stoof for | Oct 05 08:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | *stood | Oct 05 08:49 |
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| schestowitz-TR | re vista 11 campain, it was so muted that I can barely recall if one exists | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just mailed alessandro for (c) permission | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | he has been reading TR since it was like a year old | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the people of pclos mag are closely connected to tuxmachines through sunsan | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | meemaw cannot post to new TM, he's the editor | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, don't want to step on any toes, hence asking | Oct 05 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | *campaign | Oct 05 08:56 |
| Techrights-sec | How malicious of them. I only heard of it via alejandro's article, | Oct 05 08:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think FSF wrote one blog post about it | Oct 05 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe 2 at most | Oct 05 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's now what I'd call a campaign | Oct 05 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the Lenovo news came out | Oct 05 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | FSF just did some article about BIOS | Oct 05 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and did not mention what Lenovo/Microsoft had done | Oct 05 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would be a violation of Co^H^Hkind communication guidelines | Oct 05 08:59 |
| Techrights-sec | hip WTF??? | Oct 05 08:59 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 08:59 |
| Techrights-sec | I'd say, let's not be too harash | Oct 05 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | they are besieged rather than malicious | Oct 05 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | but it is also a cautionary tale | Oct 05 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked | Oct 05 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | in EFF and FSF | Oct 05 09:01 |
| Techrights-sec | spying | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | finding dirt | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | identify grudges | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'd say, let's not be too harash | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | make demands | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are besieged rather than malicious | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | I'd say, let's not be too harash | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it is also a cautionary tale | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | they are besieged rather than malicious | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | in EFF and FSF | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | but it is also a cautionary tale | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | spying | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | finding dirt | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | identify grudges | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | in EFF and FSF | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | make demands | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | spying | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | finding dirt | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | identify grudges | Oct 05 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec | make demands | Oct 05 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | (pasted in wrong place) | Oct 05 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | finding damaged people like Microsoft Peter is icing on the case | Oct 05 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but mostly because they are easy to control and dispose | Oct 05 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they can never be truly independent | Oct 05 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that's just a feature. | Oct 05 09:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | *cake | Oct 05 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 09:04 |
| Techrights-sec | It still does not explain why the FSF has been so low key about its Vista11 | Oct 05 09:05 |
| Techrights-sec | campaign. | Oct 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | it does not | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I think they might be understaffed or wrongly staffed | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | some tasks were only known to few insiders | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | the gaps were filled by "young blood" | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, as an aside, one could joke about the trolls being like siggi from iceland | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | re trhe agenda | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | MS peter was the media operative pushing for Microsoft's takeover of git | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and another priority was 'secure' boot | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and sooner or later you identity the priorities | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and who is the liar du jour | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and what they have on them | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | like tranphobes-turned-'SJW' | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | now in 'damage control' mode | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | even in IRC | Oct 05 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, the excuse that "he changed his mind" is BS | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | or that "20 years ago everyone was like that" | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | totally false | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | the difference is the self-censorship | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I worked closely with trans 20 years ago | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and saw how silence was the policy | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | like "don't ask, don't tell" | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, bringing up the isms is a two-edged sword | Oct 05 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and helps get back on the real topics | Oct 05 09:10 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, they exploit scum like that. Same for incompetents. They can hold it over | Oct 05 09:11 |
| Techrights-sec | them and the tools know that they can be exposed if they don't obey. | Oct 05 09:11 |
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| schestowitz-TR | the site in question is now blocked | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | rt and sputnik were, at some point, blocked | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | i only noticed about a week ago, as pointed out in irc | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't suppose our own autocrats realise the threat which is double standards | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | for moral high ground | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | this will later be exploited to show hypocriy | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are better ways to handle lies | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | apropos, the latest video from john campbell is RIDIIIICULOUS... | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | like 70% of the video is just him going through Gulag's guidelines | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | to ensure the video does not get censored and the channel as a whole taken downa | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | apparently they did this to russell brand | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've not been keeping up but rianne has | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | she says he really disliked bill gates | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | remember gates pays youtube to put his greeenwashinf ads | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | they bombarded rianne with those, she said he sounded like a mice | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | pre-roll, iirc skippable after some seconds | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | of watchiong the 'oracle' who looks after us and saves the planet | Oct 05 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, I link to the campbell video in irc | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | but he wastes all the time being paranoid and reading and complimenting censorship rules | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and cannot ever question davos WEF or WHO or... | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | because that would get him deploatformed | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I told rianne, they already decided he must be banned | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | now they're just stalking anf 'hunting' for the trigger/justificationb | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | he really pisses off the BillBC, which saw it fit to 'debunk' him and discourage people from watching his videos (which say the same as I always did) | Oct 05 09:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | typo: I meant the site is NOT blocked, not "now" | Oct 05 09:19 |
| MinceR | 05 072243 < Techrights-sec> I would suspect that there are a lot of ways to modify a cracked system | Oct 05 09:20 |
| MinceR | 05 072243 < Techrights-sec> to ensure it won't ever boot again, and those modifications are equally | Oct 05 09:20 |
| MinceR | uefi makes this easy | Oct 05 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have meanwhile noticed a considerable decrease in Twitter audience | Oct 05 09:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | which means far fewer active accounts | Oct 05 09:21 |
| MinceR | though it's probably specific to the mainboard manufacturer at least | Oct 05 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | I judge this based on 951k tweets I posted | Oct 05 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | one upside of leaving twitter (but not the reason for it) | Oct 05 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | the likelihood of deplatforming my account there is slim to none | Oct 05 09:21 |
| MinceR | there are systems that have trouble booting from removable devices at all | Oct 05 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | wow, now nice | Oct 05 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | "secure" | Oct 05 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | "safe space" | Oct 05 09:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | "community guidelines" | Oct 05 09:22 |
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| Techrights-sec | The ads in YouTube are unskippable nowadays | Oct 05 09:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, I think it's trickier than this | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | ime, some videos have TWO videos prior to playback | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | depending on content/channel | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | one can be skipped/after 5 secs | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other might not be skippable | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have a "mute" button on the keyboard | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and virtual desktops | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I can 'skip' that | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | librewolf, IIRC, compltely eliminates those ads | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I only use invidious these days | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless I accedentally open the GulagB00B(Tube) | Oct 05 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes most have two ads first and some in the middle and then more at the end | Oct 05 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec | No, not often. Both ads preceding a video are unskippable, but it may vary | Oct 05 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec | from region to region or so I have read. | Oct 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | so let me get the Gulag proposition right: | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | -you are babysat for what you can say | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | -truth gets you banned | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | -users report that actions are almost NEVER overturned unless there is a MASSIVE backlash in ANOTHER platform (like twitter; you're banned i.e. persona | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | non grata) | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | -your videos are being laced with hostile propaganda (inc. Jeffrey Epstein's mate doing reputatioon laundering) | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | -those ads pay you NOTHING | Oct 05 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | some "deal", eh? | Oct 05 09:28 |
| Techrights-sec | And any video with the string "Linux" in the title is immediately demonetized | Oct 05 09:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gulag likes "Linux" only a a kickstarter | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | for search | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | clown | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | android | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | but hates the licence | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | Gulag is not Brin anymore | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and Linux has long not been named in front page of Google.com | Oct 05 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1990s Google: a bunch of improvised GNU/Linux machiens, cobbled together to make indexing and rating | Oct 05 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | a Web interface with logo made in GIMP script-fu (I think Brin made that) | Oct 05 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a button for "Linux" | Oct 05 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is why he and Larry Page made Google, at least in part | Oct 05 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | they needed to know how to work with an OS that actually works | Oct 05 09:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | tomorrow we get new nhs figures | Oct 05 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | expecting a surge | Oct 05 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | but still no discussion on the failing, low efficacy of the vaccines they want to give us more and more of | Oct 05 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | no real room for competition | Oct 05 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | then again, from a financial pov, solving the issue is not everyone's objective :/ | Oct 05 09:46 |
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| schestowitz-TR | the observation some editors work only few days of thwe week validates in zdnet | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can go on for days with nothing | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | then a burst of articles | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | like more howtos than one author coulkd possibly research in a day (wallen) | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and sjvn with "news" already 3 days old | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | they need to go via the editor | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I suspect an editor (full time staff) is employed for 2-3 days a week, at most | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | this of course makes the site suckj | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the news articles [sic] are way too old, rotten | Oct 05 10:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and howtos come in large bursts, then stop for ages | Oct 05 10:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Seems plausible | Oct 05 11:38 |
| Techrights-sec | The bursty results sure seem to indicate that the magazines are not fully | Oct 05 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | staffed and work limited hours and don't have a smoot or continuous work flow | Oct 05 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | iow, maybe sjvn covrrs the news within hours | Oct 05 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that won't be published until 72 hours later | Oct 05 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I kept mocking him for being super-late | Oct 05 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but maybe that's not his fauly | Oct 05 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | that also limits the qualioty and REACH of his REAL reporting | Oct 05 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | the puff pieces are like ads | Oct 05 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | timing/speed may not matter | Oct 05 12:06 |
| Techrights-sec | Well, the editors have put shitty, click-bait headlines on the articles. | Oct 05 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | Usually the headlines over FOSS articles are the opposite of the content: | Oct 05 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | very negative headlines over positive articles, very positive headlines over | Oct 05 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | negarive articles. That much has gone on since around 20 years ago at more | Oct 05 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | than just ZDNet but especially at ZDNet, even during the time when it still | Oct 05 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | had lots of good articles. | Oct 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | PJ used to say what I also saw first hand: the authors do not write the headlines | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | publishers/editors do | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | nobody holds them accountable for it | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead they lynch the real author | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wrote some recent headlines | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | then the editor changes that to a QUESTION | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | or something negative | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | or clickbait... or... | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I could dig through old emails to prove that | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | at some stage there's no point choosing a headline at all | Oct 05 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | because what you spent time writing down will be discarded anyway | Oct 05 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec | Correct, so the editorial staff were the first corrupted or compromised. | Oct 05 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, that is my point. | Oct 05 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec | That it happened is well-known, but the means by which M$ gained control | Oct 05 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | of the editors decades ago and has maintained control since would be | Oct 05 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | useful to know. | Oct 05 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like stacking the deck or panels | Oct 05 12:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | a la "evangelism is war" | Oct 05 12:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | larry dignan fired blakenhorn and maybe paula rooney too | Oct 05 12:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | until she left on her own | Oct 05 12:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | then you had shitheads like perlow (microsoft) | Oct 05 12:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | who was later adpted for LF 'research' (lies) | Oct 05 12:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | the ageist | Oct 05 12:14 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, similar to stacking the panels, but would require key parts of the | Oct 05 12:14 |
| Techrights-sec | management of each publication to sell out | Oct 05 12:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can buy a lot of "ads" | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | in exchange for something | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | conditions | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | ars technica "UK" was established partly by Microsot | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | lateer it collapses | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | *sed | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the beancounter can see that money which came from Microsoft | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | so could t he editor (Seb), who told me about this when challenged | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | they did lots of MSFT puff piece | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and though it was OK cause Microsoft was funding them | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | back then they employed a british pedo, ms peter | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | his articles (not really his) would later get 'planted' in wikipedia | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | which W-E is editing for Microsoft | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | Shaw, Microsoift's PR chief, came from W-E | Oct 05 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's also where Ballmer's wife, Connie, comes from | Oct 05 12:16 |
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| schestowitz-TR | we have no [to | Oct 05 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | [topic] atm | Oct 05 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | not even epo | Oct 05 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | I messed around with bookmarks, found no _good_ ideas | Oct 05 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | the github material needs to wait a bit | Oct 05 12:30 |
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| Techrights-sec | possible topic: | Oct 05 13:03 |
| Techrights-sec | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-031022.html#tOct%2003%2010:24:37 | Oct 05 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 03, 2022 | Oct 05 13:03 | |
| Techrights-sec | the vote says a lot about the internal politics and priorities and misprioritization | Oct 05 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, that is a good [topic] | Oct 05 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | plan is, go through all the articles about the outcome | Oct 05 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's in TM | Oct 05 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | then discuss my experiences | Oct 05 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then the impact on SF | Oct 05 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe also a discussion about gnu/linux becoming widepsread | Oct 05 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | leads to many compromises andpromotion of people who simple don't gasp FS | Oct 05 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | or don't care | Oct 05 13:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | which was long predicted or inevitable | Oct 05 13:20 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Oct 05 13:20 |
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| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "Content consumption implies an economical transaction. Consumers give some currency token to the distributor (which, most of the time, is not the creator). Historically, that currency was fiat money but, nowadays, new kinds of token have appeared :β―likes, retweets, comments and even "clicks"" gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-10-05-there-is-no-content-on-gemini.gmi | Oct 05 13:23 |
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| schestowitz-TR | OTA | Oct 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok done | Oct 05 15:05 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | the video did not go too well | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | distract by chirping from the kitchen | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the text is always more important | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | draft | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | videos are often a ramble or information streams of consciousness BEFORE organising it in written form | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | copehagen fc is playing across the road from us tonight, should be very easy game | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the video did mention in passing that it seems zdnet is grossly understaffed | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I forgot to bring up many points due to lack of a script | Oct 05 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the text is a bit more complete | Oct 05 15:40 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Oct 05 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | adding a final para quoting rms using your transcript of it | Oct 05 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | my videos can suck and articles are rushed, but striving to perfection means you're never happy, just lacking time | Oct 05 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the www, you don't compete for pages in a book | Oct 05 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | as for use of time (others'), that's a legit concern | Oct 05 15:46 |
| Techrights-sec | more important even than the bad treatment of volunteers is the lack of | Oct 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | commitment to freedom. if derivatives want to modify the base, including by adding proprietary crap, then that's on them. the upstream should strive to st | Oct 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | ay | Oct 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | clean. however, the bad treatment of the volunteers might demostrate a pattern | Oct 05 15:47 |
| Techrights-sec | matching that lack of committment to software freedom | Oct 05 15:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will add this view, hang on | Oct 05 15:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | added figosdev quote from irc too | Oct 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | video still processing btw | Oct 05 15:49 |
| Techrights-sec | otr: what I was trying to say is that the bad treatment of the volunteers | Oct 05 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec | otr: might be because of those specific volunteers' commitment to software | Oct 05 16:01 |
| Techrights-sec | otr: freedom | Oct 05 16:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | done | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | rule: read headline 5+ times to be certain no typos there, no ambiguity/bait | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | summart 2-3 times | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | body: write once, check once | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | video: spontaneous | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | almost everyone reads the headline | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | not many go beyond that | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | need more topics now :-) | Oct 05 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | --- | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | a video about fascism would have little in terms of tech angle unless it's about how social control media handles these words and terms | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and helped associate antifa with things it is now | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | *not | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | the matter is very good topic, we covered it in TR at the time | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm more interested in "what happened" to cryptome if you can figure that out because I've not heard from or abotu them in years | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, it was not too clear who ran it and they were like wikileaks sans the "Dark PR" campaign | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | schneier has not muich value proposition either anymore | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | he was OK in trhe "golden era" of secrity-related leaks | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | now he's a conde nast parrot who links to US gov. sites as if they always tell the full truth | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in general he barely writes any new essays | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | he says, | Oct 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | x years ago I wrote about y | Oct 05 16:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm gonna d'umpseter-dive' my rss feeds and see if more ideas come up | Oct 05 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | the fate of cryptome would be a unique and ibteresting topis, i think | Oct 05 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe it's still around, but not old form | Oct 05 16:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft Canonical is 'upselling' Debian https://siliconangle.com/2022/10/05/canonical-announces-free-ubuntu-pro-subscriptions-five-workstations-servers/ | Oct 05 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Canonical announces free Ubuntu Pro subscriptions for up to five workstations or servers - SiliconANGLE | Oct 05 16:25 | |
| schestowitz-TR | saying *it like boycott ubuntu would be setting the bar too high | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | because if on that basis one was to boycoyy the distro | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | mnay others too would be worthy of the same treatment | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope that Canonical is at least paying attention to the backlash | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and consider different policies | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | they seem to have diversified with "GAFAM" a bit | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | not also A and G, not just M | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | the problem is still, | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | british firm working with very dodgy firms | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and instead of marrying microsoft | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | it does a mozilla | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | a foursome of surveillance cpmpanies | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | but no single point of failure | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | they not advertise hosting the deskop under aws | Oct 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | far worse than scopes spywar | Oct 05 16:25 |
| Techrights-sec | Canonical seems to ignore pushback, recall their response to infecting their | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | project with Mono-boosters was to double down. Then they hired Microsofters, | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | then they put some in top staff positions. Bacon was part of that, if he | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | had any interest in reading the community, rather than pusbing mandates from | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | on high, he would have noticed that all three moves were strongly opposed. | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | He did not interact with the community, just made decrees. | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, exactly, his task was not to collaborate with but to silence the community. | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | I can't say that the microsoftianism was a direct goal but merely an unavoidable | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | side effect of such misbehavior and inappropriate | Oct 05 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | the goal was not to listen | Oct 05 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | or to manage | Oct 05 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to silence | Oct 05 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | or to do 'british genleman' trademark enforcement against "Satanic Edition" | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | I can't say that the microsoftianism was a direct goal but merely an unavoidable | Oct 05 16:32 |
| Techrights-sec | side effect of such misbehavior and inappropriate priorities | Oct 05 16:32 |
| psydroid2 | Microsoft tries to clone and own what's popular and works | Oct 05 16:36 |
| psydroid2 | they've been doing this since the very beginning | Oct 05 16:37 |
| psydroid2 | so no one should be surprised they did it to GNU/Linux as well | Oct 05 16:37 |
| psydroid2 | I wouldn't be surprised if they presented themselves as a Linux company in the future, if they haven't already been doing so for the past decade | Oct 05 16:38 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | regarding debian | Oct 05 17:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | the distruption comes from sexists and tranphobes | Oct 05 17:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | whop were outspoken transphobes until their dick disagreed | Oct 05 17:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | before they git it on with one | Oct 05 17:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've long been suspicious of the "Cambridge Group" too | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | slang term, made up | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | Cambridge does have a throving industry for stuff that uses Debian | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it's political role and connection to spy agents is no theory, it's an open secret | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | some people who are based there played a big role in the RMS coup | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some, not all, are close to LF and USA | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are also mutually coordinated, they have BBQ parties and such | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | we mentioned this or alludded to this before | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | other distros don't seem to have such a considerably role there | Oct 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | Debian is an American distro, made by someone born in germany | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, the third DPL was from cambridge | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | the first two were americans | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | the problem per se is not geographical proximity but social proximity | Oct 05 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is easily provably by photos they publish from parties | Oct 05 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | many code debian people are there | Oct 05 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | *corer | Oct 05 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | *core | Oct 05 17:57 |
| psydroid2 | Cambridge Massachusetts? | Oct 05 17:58 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | Cambridgeshire | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | steve mcintyre | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | ian | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and many others | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | even the release manager | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | the ousted (from debian) are often germans | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | or swiss | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I think there might be a bit of a clique formign there | Oct 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | cliques are never good for universal, global projects | Oct 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | let alone for workplaces | Oct 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's why some employers shuffle workers around | Oct 05 18:03 |
| *psydroid2 considers it dangerous to build critical infrastructure on top of a purportedly global operating system heavily and perhaps even primarily dependent on US developers | Oct 05 18:06 | |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydroid2: maybe that's why china abandons this case | Oct 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | kylin -> ubuntu -> debian | Oct 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | deepin -> debian | Oct 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | deepin is moving to arch, iirc | Oct 05 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | of just its own base | Oct 05 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | *or | Oct 05 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | /case/base/ | Oct 05 18:13 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 18:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | of note: | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | there was a high-profile mailing list discussion in debian | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was about how to know who's a spy inside debian | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | jake appelbaum brought that up before he was "deleted" | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then it was brought up again by daniel pocok and others | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | the answer is, you don't know | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | debian does not know | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and people can just upload anything | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is barely peer review | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of blind trust | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the discussion intensified steve mcintyre SUDDENLY wrote a long post, WITHIN HOURS, about firmware polict | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | This was perceived to be a sudden effort to change the subject | Oct 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media then helped steve changed the subject | Oct 05 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | within a day the original subject was suppressed | Oct 05 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | but proving the correlation isn't simply | Oct 05 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | based on guit feeling | Oct 05 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | it seemed like steve had written that as a draft long beforehand | Oct 05 18:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | and unleashed it to change the subjecy with the media's help | Oct 05 18:17 |
| Techrights-sec | probably a contributing factor in his untimely end as a developer | Oct 05 18:18 |
| Techrights-sec | there used to be a bit of vetting in projects, now even microsofters get in | Oct 05 18:18 |
| Techrights-sec | canonical/ubuntu was champing at the bit to have an excuse to give microsofters | Oct 05 18:18 |
| Techrights-sec | MOTU access and looked to be helping accelerate the process instead of | Oct 05 18:18 |
| Techrights-sec | circling the wagons and fending them off | Oct 05 18:18 |
| Techrights-sec | likely | Oct 05 18:18 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, with the help of the media | Oct 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | so clause number x is no longer "we don't hide issue" | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | don'\t you bring up anything that can lead to doubts about our reputation/people/leadership/safety | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is basically the exact opposite | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | the ones at the top (if you charted the heiracrchy in debian today, it's lots of cambridge) | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | can say and do anything they want to the ones at the bottom | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's coc in action | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are not only exempt, they take advantage of that | Oct 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | same as EPO with immunity+impunity | Oct 05 18:20 |
| Techrights-sec | CoCs are applied asymmetrically by intent, there was never any intention | Oct 05 18:22 |
| Techrights-sec | to use them as advertised and pretty much everyone involved seemed to be | Oct 05 18:22 |
| Techrights-sec | aware. The proponents knew they could abuse it to meet their ends and the | Oct 05 18:22 |
| Techrights-sec | opponents knew it would be weaponized and badly abbused. | Oct 05 18:22 |
| Techrights-sec | for politcial ends and interfere (on purpose) with development and project | Oct 05 18:23 |
| Techrights-sec | control | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | EPO has had "Code of Conduct" for about a decade | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | Battistelli used that similarly | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | while violating his own CoC | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | spamnil boosting utter shit from accenture this afternoon | Oct 05 18:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | some "guests" | Oct 05 18:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | in need of 10 viewers | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Accenture is basically a front for M$ sales. They're expensive as hell, | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Techrights-sec | they're slow to produce results, and at the end of the project the deliverable | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Techrights-sec | barely works if it works at all, due to being built around m$ products | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Techrights-sec | instead of around the customer's needs. | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Not going to click on spamnil nor even lookup what is latest. He's a waste | Oct 05 18:29 |
| Techrights-sec | of time except to track how the LF is using him to degrade the brand and | Oct 05 18:29 |
| Techrights-sec | trademark through his antics. | Oct 05 18:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't like, I save people the legwork by summarising what I factually observe | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it does matter, for more than the reason you mention | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | it also says a lot about YouTube | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | /s/like/link | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other observed fact is, | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | how they censor linux, but not a clickfraud spammer whose "views" are 95% fake | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and how they censor doctors who say facts | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | to the point where most of their videos can be just them reading the guilines, parising them, and efending themselves | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | *praising | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | reminds me of chinese dissents on the dock | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | or that chinese journalist who was filmed next to another lady rolling her eyes very visibly | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | That observation on the behavior of Google/YouTube is very important to drive | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | home. Many mistakenly believe that they are presented with or finding on their | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | own a representative sample of what's out there. The reality is very different | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | and very anti-FOSS. For example, just try finding even known videos of FOSS | Oct 05 18:36 |
| Techrights-sec | conferences. | Oct 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I search it via invidious (Same results) the pags are truly awful | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | loits of hostile stuff, crap, and totally unrelated | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | you don't feel like the results come from people who even understand the area | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then again it is optimised to sell ads (engagement) rather than deliver relevant material | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | iow, it's about econopmics | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you bought brittania as a subscription | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they charged you by number of page flips, there would not be an incentive to save you time | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | brittanica | Oct 05 18:39 |
| Techrights-sec | Rather there would be a disincentive. | Oct 05 18:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the reason I started tracking those videos was the defacing of linux.com using those vidoes ("shows") | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | which he advertises or advertised using linux.com | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like the site got stolen to promote a fraud | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and his "Sales" | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | then again, Sheela Mirosoft did even worse | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're dealing with sociopaths anfrauds managing the inage of the brand us geeks spent decades promoting, pro gratis | Oct 05 18:43 |
| Techrights-sec | "like the site got stolen to promote a fraud" -- that's it in a nutshell | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | linux.com is basically dead now | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was a waste of time to those too busy counting their money | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | and memorising speeches about thanking Microsoft | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | now they are overprovisioned by several factors and can lessen the hosting costs | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe microsoft can arrange for them a VM in azure | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | --- | Oct 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | media not gets sued for 'insulting' companies that replace real (paper) voting with toys that can be remotely manipulated, even from abroad | Oct 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | *now gets | Oct 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | they also use the term "election deniers" so you know it's a pretty serious offence | Oct 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | likke stuffing people into ovens | Oct 05 18:50 |
| psydroid2 | as long as the US is the top dog in the capitalist race to the bottom they can (try to) set the rules for the rest of the world | Oct 05 18:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Microsoft Windows TCO: "Confirms βthe FBI and CISA have no reporting to suggest cyber activity has ever prevented a registered voter from casting a ballot, compromised the integrity of any ballots cast, or affected the accuracy of voter registration information.β" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/05/fbi-and-cisa-publish-psa-malicious-cyber-activity-against-election | Oct 05 18:56 |
| psydroid2 | https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/ | Oct 05 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | FBI and CISA Publish a PSA on Malicious Cyber Activity Against Election Infrastructure | CISA | Oct 05 18:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.investopedia.com | Countries by GDP: The Top 25 Economies in the World | Oct 05 18:56 | |
| schestowitz-TR | this just in, timing a coincidence! | Oct 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think this statement is hailarious because it is issued by agencies that meddle with elections processes overseas :-) | Oct 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | many run WIndows | Oct 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | "we're resistant, don't worry!!" | Oct 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | also: "we respect election outcomes!!" | Oct 05 19:02 |
| Techrights-sec | And indirectly with domestic processes by not just tolerating but protecting | Oct 05 19:02 |
| Techrights-sec | m$ | Oct 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121682138/a-hacker-bought-a-voting-machine-on-ebay-michigan-officials-are-now-investigatin | Oct 05 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.npr.org | A hacker bought a voting machine on eBay. Michigan officials are now investigating : NPR | Oct 05 19:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | CIA: we especially think our diamond sponsor bill gates ;-) | Oct 05 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | *thank | Oct 05 19:05 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Oct 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | over time, as the fascists do in fact grow in numbers (See italy and others in europe), it gets hard to maintain the perception oif election integrity, | Oct 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | access to ustice, free press, and success of capitalism | Oct 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we'll have more 3- and 4-letter agencies medddling to shape the narrative around obviously broken system | Oct 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | which in turn discreditsd them | Oct 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | WHO has an awful reputation since 2020 | Oct 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's perceoved to be little but a lobby/front group of corporations, like UN's WIPO | Oct 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media pushes towards outcomes | Oct 05 19:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | that in itself is not always sinister | Oct 05 19:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | but if the outcomes are chosen by clients, then it's a problem | Oct 05 19:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | like FB+CA for Brexit | Oct 05 19:13 |
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