IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, December 05, 2022

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I have just checked

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seems like an issue in nitter

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yes it is still there in twitter

Dec 05 04:40

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perhaps nitter is being blocked

Dec 05 04:41

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ack

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new topics welcomed

Dec 05 09:46

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as I set steady pace with everything else

Dec 05 09:46

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ack

Dec 05 09:52

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I liked or like SN

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this is morale issue combined with tech dent, which is connected

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also, hostile comments and moderation

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I saw that killing pleroma and mastodon instance

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even joindiaspora

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managing a community so t speak (Canonical term, jono microsoft) is though

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even the supposed allies sometimes attack you

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for no good reason

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in the old days, it was your blog, maybe some comments, and pingbacks

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social control media can be a warzone

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i meant tech debt and "tough", not "though"

Dec 05 09:58

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sometimes I think jono is not evil, but has several people to feed, so he was pressured to sell out

Dec 05 09:58

schestowitz-TR

he hadn't been a sellout all along

Dec 05 09:58

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I'm not so sure about jono, he was never good for the community not even at

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the beginning. Rather than being a liaison with the community he yelled at it

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from on high about how it was going to be and that people should like that or

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leave

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20221205-french-hospital-suspends-operations-after-cyber-attacks

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if you can find a passage connection the french hospital to dll or some ransom name of windows or...

Dec 05 10:01

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let me know

Dec 05 10:01

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then I can do a video, highlighting our 2020 series on windows at hospitals

Dec 05 10:01

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in 2020 we used a whistleblower

Dec 05 10:02

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it is even riskier in this profession as you might lose the right to operate, or have a licnce revoked

Dec 05 10:06

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Dec 05 10:06

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | French hospital suspends operations after cyber attacks

Dec 05 10:06

schestowitz-TR

any direct allusion to windows/msft?

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of course jim zemlinw on't use this to promote linux

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he will say that's like kicking a puppey and linus has sexuricty issues x, y, and z

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based on microsoft, snyk etc.

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they now keep saying "supply chain"

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which is new FUD

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it basically says,

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some idiot in russia can craft malicious new version

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hence FOSS bad

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of course a mirosoft programmer could do the same

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so they just change the story

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and still no discussion about state-mandated back doors

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is THAT not a "spply chain" issue?

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only the ransom part, given that there are not in practice ransomware incidents

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affecting non-Windows systems.

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Of course.

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And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too.

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The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago?

Dec 05 10:11

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iirc, the italian army also... turkey... not sure about germany's

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm

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https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber-incident-a-20591

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.insurancejournal.com | Cyber Attackers Cripple IT Systems of Prominent Indian Hospital

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Brooklyn Hospitals Decried for Silence on Cyber Incident

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And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too.

old: https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe )

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r-attack-as-hackers-lower-ransom-demand

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The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago?

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm

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https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber )

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-incident-a-20591

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microsofters have been covering up and denying the existence of their

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catastrophic breaches

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for decades already.

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they cover up the full extend of the issue

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i volunteered for mri scan ages ago in a local hospital

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for a korean colleague's research

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had to come again another day as windows or something had severe issues

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and there was something else I forgot to say

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it was something about covering up

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but my machine froze

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ah, ok, I REMEMBER NOW :-)

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I was gonng ask, did you watch the latest video from John?

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I pasttd a link

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there is new research in germany that can help explain those excess deaths

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but seems like there's a "hea;lth" cover-up of sorts

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no questions allowed

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Dec 05 10:28

schestowitz

brb, say nothing

Dec 05 10:30

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must reboot

Dec 05 10:30

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https://www.govinfosecurity.com/interviews/ransomware-victims-avoid-calling-ransomware-i-5191

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.govinfosecurity.com | Why Ransomware Victims Avoid Calling It 'Ransomware'

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no, I generally don't watch his videos

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I tend to focus on finding a narrow range of tech oriented ones as it's just

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too slow a means of information transfer. Younger people might go for that

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since they can't read easily.

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(generally)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hackers-cripple-prestigious-indian-hospital-105917138.html

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-finance.yahoo.com | Hackers Cripple Prestigious Indian Hospital’s IT Systems

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schestowitz-TR

mchine needed a reboot

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not the main box

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it's "cecil"

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Dec 05 10:52

techrightssec2

ack

Dec 05 10:52

schestowitz-TR

that works with techrighs

Dec 05 11:03

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but its reach/audience isn't the same as "mainstream"

Dec 05 11:03

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Look at the mainstream articles from 20+ years ago. Newyork Times, Wired, PCMagazine, and so on would all be ban

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ned from "Reddddit" for "bashing" poor widdle

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microsoft

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if those same articles were to be posted in 2022.

*Now talking on #boycottnovell

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schestowitz-TR

you know what?

Dec 05 11:06

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if you come to think about it,

Dec 05 11:06

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when did you last wake up expecting that CNN or NYTime or... ANYTHING

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would cover some gnu/linux story?

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now the BS they push is clickbait and trump saying something "constitution"

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they narrowed down the scope to ways to divide the populace

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which I guess is very much needed by the ruling class atm

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Honestly? I would have to say just over 20 years ago.

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NPR used to have a technology policy magazine called the Todd Mundt show

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Wired used to cover technology policy as well. Bill passed a lot of money to

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NPR and PBS to ensure that stopped in general and all things tech-related

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are not given *any* scrutiny.

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On a tangent to that, you saw the recent EFF statement on patent trolls aka

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non-practicing entities. That at least one person at the EFF is returning

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to the topic even peripherally is a bit of hope for the otherwise defunct

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organization. Pieter had always advocated for abandoning and replacing

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such institutions but if the problem is not corruption then the EFF /might/

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still be salvageable.

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Yes there are many ways to have the 99% fight each other, race is a main one

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and has been whipped up to a frenzied state in recent years.

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Dec 05 11:13

mjg59_

An interesting question is what race the people talking about race being a whipped up topic in recent years are

Dec 05 11:15

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i think you are missing the point

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so I will bite

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there are several struggles

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most of them shares across races

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but then there's the "colour" angle

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the pro- and anti-police

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but the mainstream media evades sufficient discussion about class

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the last thing they want is people united in the streets marching to bevery hills

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*ly

mjg59_

How many non-white people are making that argument?

Dec 05 11:24

mjg59_

I've heard the argument that discussion of race is a distraction from discussion of "class" a lot

Dec 05 11:25

mjg59_

But everyone I've heard that argument from is white

Dec 05 11:25

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you prove my point

Dec 05 11:28

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by dividing it based on race

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many do the same

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"only blacks..."

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"only whites..."

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"it's usually the irish"

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"muslims are, arabs are, jew are."

mjg59_

If an argument is real, should it not be expressed by every race that's affected by it?

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all are affetcted by it

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myself included

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So where are those arguments?

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links I post

Dec 05 11:31

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lots of class issues

Dec 05 11:31

mjg59_

Where are the Black people talking about how the problem is classism, not racism?

Dec 05 11:31

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both are issues

Dec 05 11:32

mjg59_

I agree that both are issues

Dec 05 11:33

mjg59_

But which is more important?

Dec 05 11:33

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Which contributes more to the problems we have?

Dec 05 11:33

schestowitz-TR

look at why daemonfc dislikes you

Dec 05 11:35

mjg59_

That's not really an answer

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he sees you as someone who talks down issues like his

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and instead work for corporations that contribute to the problem

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You're not answering the question here

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the number one issue is deatha nd hunnger

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those are connected to climate and other aspects

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equality would increase access to food and health

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and the aspect of it that is racism is not big

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tribalism etc.

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natural resources get hoarded

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that's a class issue

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What's your evidence for the aspect of it that is racism not being big?

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relatively smaller

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Evidence

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that's like saying transphobia is the main issue

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when very few trans people exist

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Where's the evidence

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but almost all suffer from poverty

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on a global scale

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not local

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You say that racism is not big, but you provide no evidence

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by our standards, maybe 3 quarters of the world are poor

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Roy please provide the evidence for your claim

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racism is about genetics

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you hav a phd in the area

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all people vary genetically

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it's a distraction

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in africa people area racist\

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Yeah I'm aware that racism is a social construct rather than a genetic one

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in india people area racist\

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in chinapeople area racist\

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So please provide the evidence that racism is not an issue here

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china had to pass laws to curb that

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racism is often poor people making excuses

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You seem to be saying that racism matters despite previously saying it wasn't important

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to get back resources they need

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because they cannot co-exist when they cannot get hear and eat

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so they compete

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and join people who loom alike

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kinship

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*look

mjg59_

Still not seeing evidence

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if people get better live, they don't get as racist

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*lives

mjg59_

Provide the evidence for that

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poorer societies resort to ethnic clashes

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like in rwanda

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The US is not poor, and yet racism happens

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it's common knowledge

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but anyway, I have other things to do

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So point at the evidence

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US has a lot of poverty

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It does! So does everywhere!

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many rich people, many very rich people

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Singapore is very rich on average, but has a lot of racism

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singapore is pore (poor)

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many rich people

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If the imporant thing were economic disparity, we should see that countries with less economic disparity had less racism

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banksters

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and many living in terrible condition

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like paying rnt for a mere room

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So which countries with less economic disparity have less racism?

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Easy question

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What is the least racist country

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denmark

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Ha ha no

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not answering the second

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but the earlir line in IRC

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denmark is having issues with islam

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but that's a relatively new one

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sweden also

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historically they were welcoming

Dec 05 11:44

mjg59_

What does Islam have to do with economics?

Dec 05 11:44

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you mentioned racism

Dec 05 11:45

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denmark = rich country

Dec 05 11:45

mjg59_

Racist rich country

Dec 05 11:45

mjg59_

To the extent that the Council of Europe issued a report criticising their racism

Dec 05 11:46

mjg59_

So how is that an economic problem

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Rather than a racist one

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islam is not a race

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Hey

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Look

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it is perceived to be a problem there for other reasons

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like lack of integration

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Islamophobia is a proxy for anti-Arab racism

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if poles come over to denmark and contribute to the "norms", danes would be cool with it

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Brits maybe not as much

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In the same way that the Northern Irish conflict isn't about religion

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esp. as now there is more competition with Pole

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*Poles

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Danish Islamophobia isn't about religion

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and people rushed to blame "EU"

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then voted brexit

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Arab Christians have historically integrated better

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no matter the race

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the religion does not make it taboo for them to assimilate or integrate

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techrightssec2:

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truthout is still iging blank titles

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for now I grab them manually and add them in

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but maybe a little perl tweak can cope with their latest change

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What prevents Denmark from assimilating Muslim immigrants?

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yuomypo

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can you show a URL from Truthout which is not reading the title correctly?

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The feed I have and the script I have seem to be getting the titles here.

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I see the problme over on tr-new. Checking

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Fixed

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Should be ok in tomorrow's batch

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mjg59_: not justifying them or anything... but

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from what I can gather, they do try

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but are met with reluctance

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indians have historically assimilated better

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hindus

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their religion does not embolden them to keep the others at bay

Dec 05 11:52

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so you can envision indians speaking danish and acting like the local

Dec 05 11:52

mjg59_

Framing Indians as Hindus is already pretty fucked up

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check their %

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wikipedia says 80%

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It's a meaningful percentage but describing a population that way is incorrect

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0.2% unaffiliated

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as in nonreligious

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It's like saying Irish people are Catholic

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my image of Danes is not positive

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based on ones I met

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or dated

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they can be quite conceited

Dec 05 11:55

mjg59_

There's a large Muslim population in India and they've been subject to a lot of violence

Dec 05 11:55

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but that's not the same as racism

Dec 05 11:55

mjg59_

That's conextual

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GREAT NEWS

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UPC DELAYED

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AGAIN!

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Is there a formal statement? Ideally the announcement should be accompmanied

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by the acknowledgement that the UPC is and will remain quite dead and

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revibval should not be attempted yet again.

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it's like the US bills

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they keep coming back

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never "officially" dying

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remember STRONGER Patent Act?

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been attempted for 5 years

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afaik, no headway

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tons spet on "lobbying'

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ack

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regarding latest upc scandal

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in gemini stats I noticed many people still access these month-old posts

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I hope that played a role

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but don't know the details yet

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it's verbal

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also, the journalists I spoke to write stuff

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that I've not seen

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I hope that the Gemini material has been useful and influential.

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Will the journalists forward their drafts prior to publishing or at least

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after publishing?

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i did not ask for that

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With newspapers at least it is common, especially if being quoted, for one

Dec 05 13:47

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to ask to review the draft for accuracy prior to publishing.

Dec 05 13:47

schestowitz-TR

you are thinking of the golden era of journalism

Dec 05 13:48

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without very tight deadline and budget

Dec 05 13:48

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i am writing about upc atm

Dec 05 13:52

techrightssec2

No, they had very tight deadlines but it was still customary to ask for that

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but they won't do it unless you do ask. Though I have to say that if one

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is publishing an article one was asked to write it would be a dick move to

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not even show a galley proof first. But that's not the case here.

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The deadlines in the old days may have even been shorter, it's just that there

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was a delay.

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ack

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> We should find one member state (my expérience is that it is way easier

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> to lobby politiciens/governments at home, for ex Belgium is a small

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> country) to file a complaint based on tfeu259 andviolation of teu19.1

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> (national courts are guardians of EU Law) and tfeu267 (deprive national

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> courts from interprètent EU Law).

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> Poland and Hungary are the obvious candidates on the list, as Czech

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> Republic (pirates in gov).

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> Now our famous polish hacker Jan Macek moved to Philippines...

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> It is just a matter of informing them i believe, especually if you

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> expose the German Const Court denial of escalating EU Law problems to

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> the CJEU.

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Just for IRC for now... don't want to give the legal strategy ahead of time. "Thanks, I plan to follow up the above. Do anything you can on your side."

Dec 05 13:58

schestowitz

There is a lot of coordination behind the scenes, but we live far apart.

Dec 05 13:58

schestowitz

It would help to point to some official EU documentation to that effect. Have you a URL showing the details from the earlier mail?

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1a) it strictly requires the UK signing (but it cannot because it left the EU)

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1b) it causes various constitutional issues, some of which confirmed by courts already

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1c) there was no legitimate economic analysis; it was fabricated a long time ago and those who perpetrated this fraud even said they refuse to allow

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>>> Which one or two constitutional issues are more problematic? The

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>>> European Parliament has a committee dedicated specifically to

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>>> constitutional matters so this might be relevant to bring to them.

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>> Hungary took this to court. It was ruled unconstitutional.

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> Can you forward the link, in English, to that court decision?

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I am going to research all the original links (maybe not English) fro the next part.

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Patrick might even ask for some links of that kind (I'm waiting).

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to make a quick response to Patrick later will help a lot.

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[09:47] <schestowitz-TR2> (you should contact your mep, I will contact breyer as a german)

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"I am writing to you as a longtime observer of the UPC and also as a German citizen (albeit residing in the UK)."

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> Hi Roy,

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> thanks for your trust. Since I am short on time, is there something you think I can do to follow up?

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> Best regards

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Hi,

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Thanks for getting back to me.

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There is no urgency, but estimates say Germany might officially ratify in December or even November.

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Do you want me to share some links on this matter? I understand you're short on time.

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Regards,

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> Hi Roy,

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> as I said I would need a suggestion on how to proceed.

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> Best regards

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> xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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I suggest submitting another question to the Commission. This one about:

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"how come you allow the announcement of an EU court staff for a court that neither exists nor can legally and constitutionally exist?"

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He (probably Breton, Battistelli's close friend) will run away from your question like he did the last time.

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(There are other questions, but I don't want to over-encumber anyone)

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Regards,

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> Hi Roy,

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> I'm also afraid the reply would be useless, so I'll spare myself the bother. Hope you understand.

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> Best regards

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Yes, I understand entirely.

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Thanks for what you've done so far.

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Potentially of interest, last night: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO management fails to allow mass emails, despite ILOAT judgment - Kluwer Patent Blog

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Regards,

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Old:

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I found a gem, in 2011 someone predicted the CJEU 2018 removal of intra-EU investment courts (ISDS) after opinion 1/09.

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If you follow UPC news, they just adopted the RoP in their little secret meetings.

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Germany should ratify in October.

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I am checking whether we could file a second complaint before the deadline of 1y after publication, which is 12 August.

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And sue Germany to CJEU if they don't want to deal with the issue, which they already said they only do if there are problems with fundamental rights and EU Law.

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>> Someone suggested to find a country to file a complaint other

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> countries

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>> based on the violation of the treaties.

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>> The problem is that we saw the 'common court' lie only now, there

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> was a

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>> window of 2 months to attack it in 2015.

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>> I am not sure a country can still challenge it outsider of that

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> window.

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> Seems like that gives us more time to come up with something?

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> All the countries that did not ratify are an obvious candidate.

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> Poland does not like Germany, which is driving this project.

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> The problem is that a country could not easily accuse the others of

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> violating EU law, since EU law (Brussels1 regulation falsely saying

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> it is a common court) is in force since 2015.

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> At least we have to try and ask and have a debate (even here in

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> Belgium which used many times the 218tfeu to ask the CJEU on

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> compatibility of international treaties with the EU treaties, such as

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> CETA or EnergyCharter).

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> At the end of the day, we need to convince one gov, and Poland is an

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> obvious one, since Karlsruhe blocked a question about TEU19, which

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> is the article Poland is being sued on.

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Let us know how Techrights can help such an outcome.

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I've not been keeping track of UPC lately, we focus a lot on other important topic and do development work.

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Keep fighting, even if it's tiring.

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> One way is to try to cancel the Brussels1 regulation, which wrongly says the UPC is a common court.

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> The question is whether we could go to a national court, and ask them to escalate to CJEU, or do we have to wait that UPC is running.

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using irc logs to share some more ingo

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*info

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not secret

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but not to be shows to team upc at this point

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as it can help them against the strategy

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > If you have time, i asked David Martin (who predicted the 2008 crash at

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > eupaco in 2007) where he said that Germany is Always protecting the EPO,

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > he said there is a record in 2003 with the danish présidency. I asked

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > him for a link, still no reply.

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[06:48] <schestowitz> >

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > I suspect Karlsruhe to also protect the patent system, that's why their

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > decisions are 'political'.

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[06:48] <schestowitz> >

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > Now it's pretty clear Karlsruhe found an excuse not to escalate to CJEU,

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > because the lobby behind controls the ministry of justice and want the

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > UPC desperately into force.

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[06:48] <schestowitz> >

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > We have received other troubling news, that i cannot share for the

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[06:48] <schestowitz> > moment with you, but December is gonna be critical.

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[06:48] <schestowitz> OK, so the help you need is more coverage of UPC?

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Then why is it in IRC :/

Dec 05 14:23

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inner circle

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but not broad daylight

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added a draft just now

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re upc

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does not give away strategy