IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 06, 2022

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it symbolises an ambition

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mitchel has manwhile taken note of some Microsofgt DCs being mothballed

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remember windows is perishing

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they need something to replace that

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azure has not been financially viable, but like gulag with youtube

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they fudge the numbers to buy time

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in 2022 gulag admitted youtube was not performing well

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I posted about half a dozen link about this in IRC during the weekend

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while I was researching netflix, spotify and, gulagtube

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for microsoft, the "hosting" approach to collecting "rents" is the ambition

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billg is already struggling to sell his "doses"

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and soon half his wealth will be parted with

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in 10-20 years he'll be dead

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not it begets control and political influence as well as surveillance

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M$ does not have the money to keep them all running, I'd guess they stay

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up only where the Pentagon is willing to pay for data

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this regime is largely insolvent

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after 2008 the debt was a lot smaller than now

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it's shooting up, out of control (see cumulative debt charts)

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and now the general population feels that in inflation, too

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all that graft will be harder to justify

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when the population is not preoccupied with attacking one another

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china has also been waiting patiently

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now it commands the markets

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like the effect of beijing lockdowns

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it's good they will adopt gnu/linux, but I don't think

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they will contribute anything, or as much ss Europe does

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I think "Linux" will be missing the point

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we're already there with Android

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but look how people use Android

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The West is very poor at understanding the bility to scheme in the long term

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in general, not just in the context of Russia, China, and Islam.

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Or how Android uses people, rather. And the fact that it's more or less

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closed source in practice despite being ostensibly open source. It's

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a pervasive problem which I hope is no longer growing. Look at BigBlueButton

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which is ostensibly FOSS but in practice a closed blob.

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many things we wrote over the years aged well wrt openweasing

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afaik I coined the term

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and it's not just android, also "chrome" (ium, vscodium...)

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I don't know BBB well enough, we deployed it ages ago

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rigth now rianne has 3 computer and 3 (three!) phones to keep up

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because all the accounts are all over the place, even VPNs

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it's mad1

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and jabber was silently killed

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by idiots

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it used OpenLDAP

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this is a symptom of a problem previously alluded to by your train of thought

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namely, the short term thinking in the west

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impulsive buying

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impluses everywhere

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no plans for 10-20 years down the line

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"God help us"... "thoughts and prayers"

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not to even comment on "Inshaallah"

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that's just nihilism

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but a lot of what exists now will die soon

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like Goolgle+

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and JoinDiaspora

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and Google Hangouts

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yes, they killed that too

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they still try to figure out how to 'monetise' other people's chats

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yesm that is good

Jun 06 09:19

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inaction in face of hostile opponents who have long term plans which exploit

Jun 06 09:19

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that inaction

Jun 06 09:19

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reducing dependence on fossil fuel is a start

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not just "Russian gas"

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not just that but they work against and agitate against all forms of open

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standards and general interoperability.

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I refuse to forgive Digg for taking side against open standards at a time

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when Digg was at its peak popularity. Digg is gone but the damage it helped

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do is not.

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in history timelines for the www many forget or leave out complely digg.com

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though it peaked for about 2 years

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I don't suppose Slashdot is regarded as much, either

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the life cycle of many sites is like this

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phoronix turned 18 yesterday

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today in shitter (twitter) I saw a microsofter linking to my posts about phoronix selling out

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not sure what to make of that...

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slashdot died after a series of severe blows, each one successively worse

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that the previous. Those were the repeated sales. It's mostly a spam site

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with spam comments nowadays, the domain is still in use though even if only

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[for spam

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not sure, M$ is alwaus malevolent, so they certainly did not mean well by

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lining, in any case.

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I've just watched some "the linux gamer"

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videos, he made a new channel with his girlfriend

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I think (guess) some youtuber don't see their future

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there, judging by recent (years old) trends

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I feel bad for those who dropped out of college to do

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their youtube 'career'

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I explained video hosting to rianne yesterday

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as she tends to assume youtube is always

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"just there"...

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far too many people weree enticed by the 'free'

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with russian energy being cut, maybe Microsoft DCs can stop up and heat up the homes

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the DCs will burn lumber and oxygen

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then deliver what's left of the combustion

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"data processing"

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LF insists that Microsoft burning all this energy is "green" (bribed-for PR)

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and the other day christine hall promotes the DC openwashing initiative of

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Microsoft after LF had taken onboard

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she's so deep in LF pockets now that she would even participate in

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Microsoft openwashing

Jun 06 11:56

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sorry, this I cannot accept

Jun 06 11:56

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better retire like miss jones

Jun 06 11:56

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<techrights-news> Inside the risky world of 'Migrant TikTok' Rest of World ⚓ https://restofworld.org/2022/migrant-tiktok-flourishes/ ䷉ Glorifying illegal activities. Source: restofworld

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-restofworld.org | Inside the risky world of “Migrant TikTok” - Rest of World

Jun 06 12:00

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yep she is undoing her past work and her past (good) reputation

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smuggling and human trafficking is mediated via tiktok and facebook, they are

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complicite in those crimes as well as the incidental loss of life resulting

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from the process.

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draft

Jun 06 12:34

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hardshly worded or OK?

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checking

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ok, as long as the assertions are well-documented

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might want to mention (along with the links) that they /are/ well-documented

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his response to me was a long non-denial

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right but TR does have pages backing up the assertions still and those can

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be linked to. Otherwise, it might be softened, but only slightly.

Jun 06 12:37

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therea<re 4 links there

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ack

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the last one is clearly labeled

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yes

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correct, but repetition / reminders are necessary : memories are short and new

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people do show up and arrive in the middle of the saga

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this one I am quite certain about

Jun 06 12:44

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and he did have his window for response

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I don't publish things I might regret or unpublish at a later point

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there was an incentive for me to protect and send him traffic

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but I could no longer carry on

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this crate is a pandor'a box

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IU'm susprised he keeps publishing it

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some people's greatest weakness is a lack of reluctrance to show off

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it can become self-exposing if not incriminating

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many youtubers are like that

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oh, btw, gardiner insinuated that some criticiswm of mozills is "conspiracy theories"

Jun 06 12:47

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though he said conceded that some of it is legitimate

Jun 06 12:47

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I did not see any cracks speaking about mozilla

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then again, maybe I don't check shitpost sites like reddit

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I've been ignoring Gardiner lately. He has gone out of his way to burn his

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remaining credibility.

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he started a channel with his g/f emily (after the house move) and that channel is absolutely garbage

Jun 06 12:51

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but I am judging only by the first video there, which got the most views

Jun 06 12:51

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I thought of him because

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1) the showoff thing (making a video about getting a huge house with BTC... where from? while turning the channelk into valvevi

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lla)

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2) I was checking that fiefox video while shaving this morning

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*valveville

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then making a joke video about selling out

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then going mostly silent, with the odd valve video or just nothing

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Yes, where from?

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And changing the name of his channel

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mostly by removing "Linux" from the title.

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Lunduke also dropped FOSS / Linux topics completely, as well.

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yes

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it's not just gardiner btw

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jason evangelho is now back... as the thunderbird blogger

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but his valve shilling blog shut abruptly

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so you know some of these "influencers" were feeding off a palm directly and indiurectly

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valve = former microsofter makes a gaming/drm company

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his new firefox video mentions "Linux" not even once

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and showers EDGE with some praises

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claims it has 20% of the market if I got this right (which is a lie)

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and says Gogle is "AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE WORSE" than Microsoft in the 1990s antitrust days

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in terms of market power

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which is a phony BS

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apropos data centers, M$ is now attacking Lithuania and pressing to reduce

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self-hosting in the public and private sectors: https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1711331/minister-invites-microsoft-to-expand-in-lithuania

Jun 06 12:57

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lrt.lt | Minister invites Microsoft to expand in Lithuania - LRT

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an act of treason

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basically, and it's coming from a minister so that charge would be highly

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appicable

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it is a very corrupt country; if they could pocket Munich, this is just dress rehearsal

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but this is a political problem

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from a cult, not a company

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but an arm of the "security state"

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putin would approve of course

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microsoft is swiss... cheese

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Germany is highly corrupt, at least in regards to ICT

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ok, to twist this for better morale

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their aspirations in east europe may show thewy lose a lot of ground where the nations are richer

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in the same way FB tried to get into china and africa

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to hide th rapid loss of active users

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or gulag with all sorts of dying disservices

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inc. their clown efforts, which lose a ton of money

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germany pride and shitty press helps cover up what's happening

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inc. on lesser technical issues

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they self-gag

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it's the coverups which enable it to continue

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it's probably also related to their turning a blind eye to EPO corruption and

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illegal activities

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we did a 20-part series on germany complicity

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and compared that to the immigration crisis

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and how the media would not play ball

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do you want the link?

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I recall the contents, more or less, but I am wondering about the best way

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to occasionally revisit open cases like that

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<techrights-news> The real alternative to Clownflare is stuff like Varnish. Ankush Das names only clown computing/outsourcing -- a false dichotomy

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<techrights-news> These alternatives are also proprietary and harmful to the Web https://linuxhandbook.com/cloudflare-alternati

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ves/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://linuxhandbook.com/cloudflare-alternati/ )

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yes

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Varnish, and to certain extent Squid or Nginx can be a front end for heavily

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visited sites. However, DDoS based on bandwidth can only be limited by the

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network providers, AFAIK. DDoS based on targeting the backend of a service

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needs a third approach.

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there's software and even self-hosted appliances (bsd/gnu/linux) that can help thwarts bad actors before they even reach the se

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rver, like a firewall

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then the isp is the bottleneck

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but the idea that we should therefore surrender to clownflare, a hostage operation, means the web is already

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not worth having

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because we tolerated back doors and botnets for far too long

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even clownflare is barely coping, it's overclassifying "threats"

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and in many cases demands you run programs because you are presumed a botnet

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yes but they don't provide the censorship and surveillance that CloudFlare

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enables

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presumably accompanied by contributions in kind or monetary

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Bill Gates (via M$) has made bad engineering not just acceptable but expected

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across the globe

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CloudFlare blocks a lot of posts in LinuxQuestions even when nothign

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dangerous or even controverisal is provided in either the question or the

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answer.

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That's just one example.

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bill <3 back doors

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yes.

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I think you are mistaking two things, but it's considered correct that Microsoft played ball for NSA around that time

Jun 06 13:42

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I remember what you allude to. Also: "Microsoft will carry on pretending that it is one’s patriotic duty to support and fund Microsoft, even using bailout money (i.e. the expense of taxpayers)." http://techrights.org/2009/04/10/microsoft-sails-overseas/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Finds Cost-Cutting Measures: Moves Overseas | Techrights

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(btw, lithuania has very good talent that can be employed for a laughabls salary.. same in Belarus)

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the very presence of M$ products on the net is such a liability that it is

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100% incompatible with national defense in even the smallest way.

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Stan Beer (ITwire) recently complained that they then CHARGE you money to fix their own security-failing aftermath

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you might be able to find it as it's about a month ol

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so cleaning up one's own mess is also a business model

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even without selling "up[grades"

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it harms most those who use that crap

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but at a national level that includes taxpayers and implicates personal data likle medical filkes

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It's not even cleaning up the mess, just stirring the mess around -- for an

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additional fee, but no progress is ever made towards actual cleanup

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some garages work like that

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One very irritating aspect is that the public accepts all that.

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the public is unware

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hence not part of the equation

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we can change that

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agitators will always try to just discredit those who are speaking about such matters

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in the way that they do

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because the very mode of thinking represents a threat to the status quo

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such as explaining to people that "encryption" and e2ee is not the same thing

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or clown computing is basically an illegal action, a data breach

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politicians do not seem to understand that or get paid to pretend not to understand the facts

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yes, some of that is due also to severe corruption, such as in Germany

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not to mention the US

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we need to "keep at it"

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we are doing OK

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the each person you spread the message to there will be some colleagues are are told the same

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to the point where lies cannot sustain themselves

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then they try to compensate for it by spending millions on PR and marketing

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and that's when you know you may be "winning"

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not losing

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because they see no choice other than making a shitstorm of noise

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to regain respect

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and that shitstorm itself can be self-discrediting

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LF, Moz, EFF, OSI, EPO...

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they have deep pockets

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they don't lay down and die

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if you ask actual people NOT shills

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i.e. not the random "username" in WWW

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you quicly see people dislike Microsoft very strongly

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and Microsoft knows it

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they try to perpetuate the idea of being reformed and having gained acceptance

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this is a faked non-existent sentiment

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ue also to severe corruption, such as in Germany

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not to mention the US

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ack

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yes but unlike in decades past, they are made to believe that they are alone

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and unique in their trouble with M$. Microsofters have long lied to people

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about their problems, saying to them that they are the only ones who have the

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problem.

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also, spending millions on marketing ("Microsoft loves Linux") in areas where you operate at a LOSS, e.g. GitHub, is not someth

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ing you can carry on doing for many years

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you need to justify that by showing progress (gullible people or profits)

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GitHub, like ClownFlare, is in "honeymoon mode"

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like YouTube for the first 10 years

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when they actually PAID some creators

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the ideology behing making everything suck is driven by MBAs mostly

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the "everything sucks" PR is not compelling and it's not free

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they recently did a tonload of articles about "Open Source" security crises

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helped by theor puppet, VMware, among others

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they convinced Zemlin

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but f* this guy :-)

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most people don't even take that prick seriously

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certainly not those who he CLAIMS to speak for

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"everything sucks" is a defence mechanism, proactive

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if I fail, it's OK

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if I don't fail, great

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you win either way

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even for making the worst decisions

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so the strategy is to make Linux seem like a seucity nightmare

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so that staying with Windows or moving to it seems "reasonable"

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they have spent a lot of money on these lies

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and now that so many things have been migrated to gnu/linux (from unix and

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from windows) they see no other way to stop it or slow it down

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<techrights-news> Orange Pi 800 Offers the Raspberry Pi 400 Keyboard Some Fresh Competition http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165616#comment-33896

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Orange Pi 800 Keyboard PC - A Raspberry Pi 400 alternative powered by Rockchip RK3399 | Tux Machines

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this is catching on, forcing prices down

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the future will be OK for those who steer away from the unisys-in-our-lifetime, Microsoft

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Windows keeps losing share, reminds me to check the latest data...

Jun 06 14:24

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won't be part of the future: christome, gardiner, spamnil...

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they bailed out

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btw, some of spamnil's videos are still heavily click-bot'ed

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when you see 3,000 views with zero commands and one like you know it's that

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adjecent to videos with the same interaction but maybe 30 views

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and they both suck equally

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he's trying to market himself as "occassionally viral"

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by breaking google's ToS

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I'm not cruel enough to report him to Gulag

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wow, he has accelerated the bots

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sooner or later they'll catch him and take action, I suppose

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perhaps but the cynic in me says there were be few repercussions for

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even getting caught out at that kind of fraud.

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s/were/will/

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can lose the entire channel

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I would hope so, but the accountability is generally lacking. They are too

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busy spending resources demonitizing legitimate channels.

Jun 06 14:33

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anyway, feels like kicking a man while he's down

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he used to be a big fan of BN

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I'm waiting for the EPO's meeting that can (probably won't) oust Campinos

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if the circus carries on, it gives us more to publish

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Either with him or without him they are most likely to be a clown show

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for a while. It will take determination above all, followed by a lot of

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effort, to restore the dignitiy and functionality of the institution.

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The first step there would be ousting him and changing the hiring procedures

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to prevent getting more of the same in the next replacement.

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the national delegates are of the same religion and the social circles overlap

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that too is a challnge -- one that will need expanding upon

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the 50-part series showed many examples of that

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this is NOT an ideaological battle

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it ios a class battle

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these people with their peach-to-the-choir events are fronting for corporpoations and magnates

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they won't budge as long as they're well rewarded

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so we need to convince the workers, those are are not ringleaders in respectgive nations,

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to demand a return to sanity

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any showing of solidarity to the mission, or stated goals, helps change t he sentiments

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KEI was doing this in the area of access to medicine

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I've not heard or seen James Love for years

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Correct, like many things these days which are also dressed up as something

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else, it is a class battle.

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in the past 2-4 years they've dressed a lot of the "IP" stuff as "D&I" or "DEI"

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they even make up acronyms for these

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LF did the same

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but those are simple to refuse

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IBM has quit some of these pseudo-ethics PR charades

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I suppose seeing it was backfirting rather badly

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just this past sunday I showed how UPC bullshitters were trying to leverage "DUI"

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"DEI"

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with their "DUI" EWPO presiodent ;-)

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/s/refuse/refute/

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important typo

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if the next series is 10 parts, it can start 12 days before the meeting, 5 pasrts would be a week prior

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for maximal effect (short memory span)

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the reps keep asking for the recording

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to bring the topic back

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the f*ing topic back

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f* became a common joke in the EPo

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F* this F* that

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ack

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the predictable spoiler is, the petition and the survey will bear results before writing to the Council

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showing 0% approval for Campinos

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you cannot just extend a term of a person if a survey taken by most staff shows this

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or else you too, the Council, get 0%

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(in 2020 the Council was already 0%, Campinos was 3% approval)

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one can hope that is the case and that the survey is not just brushed under the

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rug

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epi, all the media, maybe except one blogger in kluwer patent blog, will ignore it

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epi is a joke

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the whole systen is like a global force of occupation

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wipo and wto are like the hq foir the nrve sstem

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so we want to find and call out the cross-pollination and inter-orgs corruption

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yes!! windows down to 27%

Jun 06 14:55

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brb

Jun 06 14:55

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ack

Jun 06 14:55

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these figures are a pain to microsoft's salespeople and ISVs

Jun 06 15:02

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draft

Jun 06 15:02

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ack

Jun 06 15:05

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might mention the context: that of client or desktop; all other fields have

Jun 06 15:05

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basically no trace of M$ except servers and there they are very weak, too

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the moment you say Android people "get" that

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and these figures already factor in the insignificance of Microsoft in a lot of sectors

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maybe I could do another video about netcraft, but there would be a lot of repetition

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the idea is kill the cash cows

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and stop the bailouts

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see the rats jumping to other ships :/

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like 'Linux' Foundation

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I'm not sure if jperlow left, he may have been replaced by that "new guy"

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atm we have several orgs on the "run" from a PR POV

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but their stance or damage control strategy is to never publicly acknowledge it

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that campinos went insane because of techrights only egged me on

Jun 06 15:08

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ack

Jun 06 15:11

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too bad he was not locked up for any of his infractions or law-breaking

Jun 06 15:11

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the idea is /to/ kill the cash cows

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I've juust added some bits and link to wikipedia on "common carrier"

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as people underestimate the strategic importance of windows

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ack

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Common Carrier is very important but not related in anyway to that post

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bug #1 is being resolved, so now Mark Shuttleworth can shill WSL to help Windows retain or gain share

Jun 06 15:17

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apparently

Jun 06 15:17

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published.

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in the coming years we'll need to compound and explain the point about "phones" and "clown" being bad

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no matter whose brand

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no need for digital hermits or "vegans"

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just saner society

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moderation

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social control meida seems to be waning everywhere

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interactions in mastodon became very few

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same thing that happened in diapora years ago

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you have people posting, but little happens beyond that

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ack

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going tot ake a break now and think