●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 ●● ● Jul 06 [00:09] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:34] *techrights_guest|73 (~4672cb0a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:35] *techrights_guest|73 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [00:41] *techrights_guest|73 (~4672cb0a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:42] *techrights_guest|73 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Jul 06 [01:37] *scientes (~a689a026@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:59] *scientes has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Jul 06 [02:12] *scientes (~a689a026@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [02:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:29] *scientes has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 06 [03:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jul 06 [04:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jul 06 [05:09] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:09] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:19] schestowitz-TR gm [05:19] Techrights-sec gm [05:19] Techrights-sec whats lennart poettering's new job? [05:19] Techrights-sec or employer? [05:22] schestowitz-TR I saw speculations only [05:22] schestowitz-TR like consulting [05:22] schestowitz-TR no doubt he and his mates have a lot of control over gnu/linux [05:22] schestowitz-TR maybe soon more than kernel/LF or even gnu [05:22] schestowitz-TR as they control many very core components, from dns to booting, even user accounts and homedir [05:22] schestowitz-TR maybe USA did "operation paperclip" on him ;-p [05:22] schestowitz-TR btw, on friday we'll know the company's decision [05:22] schestowitz-TR if the cake and cider don't get used on friday, then next tuesday [05:22] schestowitz-TR either way, I invested about 5 hours yesterday planning TM migration [05:22] schestowitz-TR and this morning I put the "factory reset" on my new laptop [05:22] schestowitz-TR for when we take the old site read-only [05:22] schestowitz-TR thrilling to do this after 18+ years, software was never built to last this long [05:22] Techrights-sec ok [05:22] Techrights-sec ack [05:25] schestowitz-TR if we get what we asked for, then we start working 1am sat, then sunday 5:30 we finish, with 8-hour break in the middle (covered by new colleague from the US) [05:25] schestowitz-TR then 128 hours free, sans additional cover for sick colleagues or holidays [05:25] schestowitz-TR (for extra pay) [05:25] Techrights-sec ack [05:25] Techrights-sec https://www.history.com/news/what-was-operation-paperclip [05:25] Techrights-sec when will they give their answer about the new schedule? [05:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What Was Operation Paperclip? - HISTORY [05:26] schestowitz-TR tentative or final decision friday afternoon [05:29] schestowitz-TR I dare you to find a static and/or flat-file CMS (or "headless"... BS like "serverless") that has rss support [05:29] schestowitz-TR or decent rss support [05:29] schestowitz-TR the CMS status quo is bad.. few players are potent enough, the rest seems like hobbies [05:29] Techrights-sec ok [05:29] Techrights-sec Probably easier to write one, but then there is the matter of UI [05:30] schestowitz-TR to me, the hard part is the rss stuff as it needs to know age of files and making a properly contructed FULL TEXT RSS feed that validates OK [05:30] schestowitz-TR is not so easy [05:33] Techrights-sec that's very easy to do in perl and not that hard in python [05:33] Techrights-sec with raw, static HTML if the element is used in the element [05:33] Techrights-sec then one can be the date of publication and that can be extracted using XPath [05:33] Techrights-sec combined with some file system metadata that gets all the recently modified [05:33] Techrights-sec files and their official publication dates [05:33] Techrights-sec Static HTML with templates, supplemented with a validator, and CSS might [05:33] Techrights-sec be the way to go if the generators seem poorly thought out and implemented [05:37] schestowitz-TR right, I agree [05:37] schestowitz-TR to me, a concerning aspect, based on my reading, many of those that do not have database still use a lot of CPU and RAM to [05:37] schestowitz-TR "compute" something with php or similar, e.g. adding template stuff or blocks [sic] [05:37] schestowitz-TR so you end up not really serving some .html file over and over again, there's still a loop [05:37] schestowitz-TR let me leap a step ahead and say, it seem their real "savings" are, instead of having a *gasp* [05:37] schestowitz-TR db let's just store every post as a file, then you can edit the file directly (DAV etc) instead of using INSERT/UPDATE [05:37] schestowitz-TR but much of the rest is the same, namely some script compiling all the bits [05:37] schestowitz-TR the DB itself is a file [05:37] schestowitz-TR but a very large file [05:37] schestowitz-TR so they say, let's make lots and lots of files [05:37] schestowitz-TR kaniini wants cpu usage to go down a bit [05:37] schestowitz-TR and mentioned movable type [05:37] schestowitz-TR but many ran away from it because of the licence, it's still actively developed [05:37] schestowitz-TR I always found it inflexible and ugly [05:37] schestowitz-TR only very tasteless blogs still use it [05:42] Techrights-sec PHP is not a good idea here [05:42] Techrights-sec Now some things would have to be re-generated when new files are added and [05:42] Techrights-sec perhaps the safer way would be to use SSI for many things. [05:42] Techrights-sec I'm wondering how simplified the interactions can be with some shell or python [05:42] Techrights-sec scripts and templates. [05:42] Techrights-sec Maybe the script can ask for and validate metadata, then fire up an editor, [05:43] Techrights-sec validate the editing and use that as a body, then generate the new page and [05:43] Techrights-sec update the SSI components [05:43] Techrights-sec oh. I am weak at GUI [05:43] Techrights-sec but the above would work with multiple users [05:43] Techrights-sec however a disadvantage would be that I am thinking in a way that depends on [05:43] Techrights-sec shell access [05:46] schestowitz-TR remember we may need multiple users (e.g. marius) and some decent GUI for html code to be inserted [05:46] schestowitz-TR and this would be done and redone many times a day [05:46] schestowitz-TR if we roll out out own and go the shell way there is a lot that can be automated and made more efficient, like having many files open at the same time [05:47] schestowitz-TR and then update as "followup" stories come [05:47] schestowitz-TR to me, the "hard" part is likely rss [05:47] schestowitz-TR as for templating, one common 90s technique was to put markers for the page and then scan all the files, inserting charges were thge markers are or at start and end [05:47] schestowitz-TR like we do in video galleries in techright [05:47] Techrights-sec RSS is "just" a matter of harvesting data and then writing an XML file [05:52] schestowitz-TR here is an idea [05:52] schestowitz-TR (bear with me) [05:52] schestowitz-TR a) in "old" TM when we add a comment ('update') it shows the node at the top of an index at the front page [05:52] schestowitz-TR it gets 'bumped' up [05:52] schestowitz-TR the idea is, indicte to people a node has an update [05:52] schestowitz-TR now... [05:52] schestowitz-TR b) in "new" tm we can have a directory full of html files [05:52] schestowitz-TR c) sort all files by age (might now scale well, but can be split into years as subdir [05:52] schestowitz-TR d) then present 20 files based on last modified, generate rss feeds and front page from these [05:52] schestowitz-TR pros: easy to manage, rsync for backups, with occasional full snapshots [05:52] schestowitz-TR can be efficent if you regenerate the front page and rss every 3 mins, scanning all the files, adding something from template like [05:52] schestowitz-TR then write an index based on what's to follow [05:53] Techrights-sec find -newerMT ... [05:53] Techrights-sec yes b, c, and d are easy; a question is about how to 'preview' via the web while [05:53] Techrights-sec editing via the shell in a reliable and non-public mannner; I guess there [05:53] Techrights-sec are several ways to do that too [05:53] Techrights-sec No need to scan everything repeatedly [05:53] Techrights-sec with a new OS the inotify system can be used and incron used to fire up the [05:53] Techrights-sec index and other processing tools wheneve a new file is added to the 'published' [05:53] Techrights-sec directory ● Jul 06 [06:02] Techrights-sec https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-inotify-examples-to-replicate-directories/ [06:02] Techrights-sec works well for small, infrequent additions or deletions [06:02] Techrights-sec https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/incron-command-in-linux-with-examples/ [06:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-inotify-examples-to-replicate-directories/ ) [06:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.geeksforgeeks.org | Incron command in Linux with Examples - GeeksforGeeks [06:06] schestowitz-TR just been upstairs, thought how to do the individual page files such that they contain some html in them other than the "core" bits [06:06] schestowitz-TR such that pages can be served [06:11] Techrights-sec creating the pages with a script is no problem but going back and editing [06:11] Techrights-sec the pages would not be possible with the same script and would mean [06:11] Techrights-sec editing raw HTML then; however it is amost unheard of to edit a page on TR or TM [06:11] Techrights-sec SSI can allow the standardized bits (logos, menus, footers, etc) to be kept in [06:11] Techrights-sec external files and thus in a single location [06:12] schestowitz-TR OK, here is a trick [06:12] schestowitz-TR Each file has a template, then some markers for start and end of "core" stuff [06:12] schestowitz-TR the script that makes front page and rss feed uses those markers to only scan the "content" ("core") [06:12] schestowitz-TR yes, that can be , but maybe better
assuming that you want some page bits like menu [06:17] Techrights-sec those markers are meta elements: https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_meta.asp [06:17] Techrights-sec those can be queried by a script and then an editor fired up for the article [06:17] Techrights-sec text; then once the article is edited, the pieces combined into a single HTML [06:17] Techrights-sec page and then the RSS and indexing scripts triggered [06:17] Techrights-sec the actual HTML element would have a heck of a lot more from the template [06:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.w3schools.com | HTML meta tag [06:17] Techrights-sec there would be the logo, menus, and footers; a specific
element can be [06:17] Techrights-sec singled out at replaced with the text produced by the above mentioned editor [06:17] Techrights-sec metadata: date, title, slug, author, category [06:17] Techrights-sec yes; and author can be from the login / user environment variable [06:17] Techrights-sec ok not categories but maybe some descriptive keywords in an uncontrolled [06:17] Techrights-sec vocabulary [06:17] Techrights-sec yes data can be automatically filled in at the time of creation [06:17] schestowitz-TR thge slug is the file name [06:17] schestowitz-TR author does not matter [06:17] schestowitz-TR categories might also be extra overhead for little practical gain [06:17] schestowitz-TR the date can be derived from file last modified or created [06:25] schestowitz-TR we can use the camelcase code to improve presentation of links, assuming P for Perl in LAMP [06:25] schestowitz-TR but that's a side thing [06:25] schestowitz-TR given the simplicity of the site I think this covers everything [06:25] schestowitz-TR the web in 2004 involved many people leaving comments and comment spam was only starting to become a problem [06:26] Techrights-sec comments would be a whole new can of worms and would not only require a full [06:26] Techrights-sec web-based "framework" with authentication / login and such but also time [06:26] Techrights-sec curating the comments and culling spam post haste. Best to stick with the [06:26] Techrights-sec current policy of encouraging use of the IRC channels instead. [06:27] schestowitz-TR SN will be gone one day, maybe even soon (<5 years) [06:27] schestowitz-TR not under out control [06:27] schestowitz-TR *our [06:29] schestowitz-TR rolling out our own will give more flexibility and removal of 'feature churn' [06:29] schestowitz-TR social control media or webapps are not a TM thing [06:29] schestowitz-TR and that's actually a strength [06:29] schestowitz-TR our core crowd is geeks, not phone slingers like zemlin [06:34] schestowitz-TR just seen your remark on gulag noise [06:34] schestowitz-TR I agree, but the explanation is simple [06:35] schestowitz-TR you see what they are up to in the "front page" [06:35] schestowitz-TR or the very poor curation os sources [06:35] schestowitz-TR and I opted out of this shit [06:35] schestowitz-TR so I can focus on signal [06:35] schestowitz-TR they see wide and fast [06:35] schestowitz-TR but the processing they then do it subpar to say the least [06:35] schestowitz-TR the goals are financial, the users are a secondary concern [06:50] *schestowitz (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [06:54] schestowitz-TR I reckon the only reason you sent some MSN links this past week was gulag noise ● Jul 06 [07:02] schestowitz-TR 3 mins ago tuxmachines db had warnings again [07:02] schestowitz-TR repairing [07:02] schestowitz-TR might be down a few mins [07:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 06 [08:05] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [08:06] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [08:51] Techrights-sec still wondering what the cause is, eventually it will break if it continues [08:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:52] schestowitz-TR I assume it'll be a lot more stable after >I restore from the backup [08:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:58] Techrights-sec ok ● Jul 06 [09:29] schestowitz-TR irc post for today ● Jul 06 [10:10] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] schestowitz-TR ^ a [10:34] schestowitz-TR b) back from exercise [10:34] schestowitz-TR c) maybe nennart fogures red hat was his transmeta and now it's time for Lennux Foundation [10:34] schestowitz-TR d) if we make a CMS for TM, as per above specs, we can later use the same for TR, maybe schestowitz.com too [10:51] Techrights-sec c) :/ probably truye [10:51] Techrights-sec d) specs are something to consider in detail then [10:56] schestowitz-TR to keep number of files lower it can help to have one directory per year, but this would limit flexibility [10:56] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines is about 15k files per year [10:56] schestowitz-TR later we can add witty functionality for extra speed and better usability, e.g. scan for related titles and present "related" [10:56] schestowitz-TR nodes [10:56] schestowitz-TR then "attach" to the current new file before pressing save [10:56] schestowitz-TR TR=soon 34k posts [10:56] schestowitz-TR schestoweitz.com only about 2.5k [10:56] schestowitz-TR many old CMS assumed people used large monitors [10:56] schestowitz-TR hence many panes and stuff [10:56] schestowitz-TR they replace one kind of bloat with another kind ● Jul 06 [11:26] Techrights-sec how should graphics be uploaded / managed, and other formats beyond HTML ? [11:28] schestowitz-TR the old traditional way [11:28] schestowitz-TR upload to a directory, then link to that from html [11:29] Techrights-sec please clarify? [11:29] Techrights-sec fwiw sqlite is not multi-user so in theory for concurrent editing postgresql [11:29] Techrights-sec or mariadb would be needed [11:29] Techrights-sec uploading to a directory and then linking manually from the HTML introduces [11:29] Techrights-sec a lot of steps each with potential for mistakes [11:39] schestowitz-TR concurrent editing better done with git, which we can do [11:39] schestowitz-TR but for tuxmachines version conttrol seems over the top for mere "nodes" [11:43] Techrights-sec that's an idea: build the site in Git and publish via pull [11:43] Techrights-sec however consistency and standardization is not possible with manual action [11:43] Techrights-sec alone, there have to be a lot of helper scripts to create chokepoints at [11:43] Techrights-sec which incorrect markup (not valid or nonconforming to the right style) are [11:43] Techrights-sec blocked from publishing [11:43] Techrights-sec the work flow has to end up being as simple as filling in a form IMHO [11:46] schestowitz-TR EU Parliament https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-statement-eu-parliaments-formal-approval-digital-services-act-and-digital-markets EFF still ignores EPO corruption entirely, says "rein in the power of Facebook, Google, Apple, and Amazon" and leaves out MIRCOSOFT (why again?) [11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | EFF Statement on EU Parliaments Adoption of Digital Services Act and Digital Markets Act | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:47] schestowitz-TR Nowadays it's easy to feel like EFF became a bit of a front group for Microsoft. It even gives AWARDS to Microsoft employees and shills Microsoft proxies like DDG. Then it defames RMS. What the actual funk? [11:47] schestowitz-TR I was about to say, [11:47] schestowitz-TR knowing Marius is the only VALUABLE contributor we have, [11:47] schestowitz-TR we can set up user accounts on the server [11:47] schestowitz-TR with ssh keys [11:47] schestowitz-TR then make a script that asks you to enter the html bits [11:47] schestowitz-TR then opens it for preview locally in your browser [11:47] schestowitz-TR then copies to the server [11:47] schestowitz-TR editing existing notes, e.g. to add more links, would be another wordflow, maybe DAV-like [11:47] schestowitz-TR but that's thinking several steps ahead already [11:47] schestowitz-TR (this kind of work will give us a lot of material to publish... articles, videos... I plan to record soon [11:47] schestowitz-TR about youtube over gemini... yes, it's a thing now) [11:54] Techrights-sec ack [11:57] schestowitz-TR further thought [11:57] schestowitz-TR rianne does android leftovers [11:57] schestowitz-TR saves as android.html [11:58] schestowitz-TR runs script [11:58] schestowitz-TR script adds date [11:58] schestowitz-TR 06-07-2022-android.html [11:58] schestowitz-TR opens it in browser [11:58] schestowitz-TR if OK, add footer, header etc. from template and upload [11:58] schestowitz-TR rianne gets to keep local copies, so there are "backups"m too [11:58] Techrights-sec ack ● Jul 06 [12:18] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:18] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:32] schestowitz-TR bad cat [12:32] Techrights-sec more or less [12:48] schestowitz-TR draft [12:48] Techrights-sec checking [12:48] Techrights-sec The Gemini protocol still (AFAIK) has a bug which prevents handling of very [12:48] Techrights-sec large files and therefore Video over Gemini is /not/ possible. [12:48] Techrights-sec s/possible/feasible/ [12:48] schestowitz-TR in this case, it worked OK [12:48] schestowitz-TR 78mb, 10 min, hd [12:51] Techrights-sec the protocol cannot handle large files, it might work /sometimes/ but is [12:51] Techrights-sec neither reliable nor accurate in that regard; anything other than small files [12:51] Techrights-sec is very strongly inadvisable [12:51] Techrights-sec yes, something will download but it will not necessarily be either complete or [12:51] Techrights-sec accurate [12:52] schestowitz-TR mind if I add this as footnote? [12:52] Techrights-sec np [12:53] Techrights-sec best to write an article which avoids using large files though [12:56] Techrights-sec schools are still paying the price for using m$ products in that they are [12:56] Techrights-sec hit multiple times by ransomware and even then still don't learn their lesson [12:58] schestowitz-TR they should pay Microsoft to issue an analytical report like it did for Ukraine [12:58] schestowitz-TR money well spent ^_^ [12:58] schestowitz-TR or have a "Ransomware task force" [12:58] Techrights-sec :( [12:58] Techrights-sec or invite them to Washington DC to meet with more politicians :/ [12:58] Techrights-sec ^sarcasm ● Jul 06 [13:01] schestowitz-TR old company story in a nutshell [13:01] schestowitz-TR we once had a "boss" called john [13:01] schestowitz-TR he was not a techie [13:01] schestowitz-TR he worked behind our backs to poach our clients into his own thing [13:01] schestowitz-TR since I joined he was at least the second person to do this and get caught [13:01] schestowitz-TR after we sacked him he wrote in twitter a tweet like [13:01] schestowitz-TR "some things are better left to Microsoft'; [13:01] schestowitz-TR when justifying using some Microsoft things [13:01] schestowitz-TR prior to that, for his meetings he insisted on using skype [13:01] schestowitz-TR of course workers were upset [13:01] schestowitz-TR so that's the story in a nutshell [13:01] schestowitz-TR you can find better employees than him in ther street, holding a sign "will coe html for food" [13:01] schestowitz-TR they would be more reliable [13:05] Techrights-sec microsofters are trying to get ukraine to allow m$ to hold their data hostage [13:05] Techrights-sec in their "cloud" [13:06] schestowitz-TR so we must call them out on it [13:06] schestowitz-TR if we have refs and a way to respond well [13:06] schestowitz-TR I often put such stories in Security leftovers in TM as well [13:06] schestowitz-TR that's just the most we can do tbh [13:06] Techrights-sec yes [13:06] Techrights-sec and lobbyists including brad smith are in and out of high politicians' offices [13:06] Techrights-sec like there were in a cheap motel [13:06] Techrights-sec instead of being thrashed and locked up, he and his assistants are all over DC [13:08] schestowitz-TR I saw his photos in that new article [13:08] schestowitz-TR it is in TM too [13:08] schestowitz-TR to help amplify those who did the legwork to explain what Microsoft is up to [13:11] Techrights-sec they have 10s of thousands of minions aroud the world all working overtime [13:11] Techrights-sec to weaken the cyberdefense in their respective countries [13:11] Techrights-sec s/weaken/weaken and undermine/ [13:12] schestowitz-TR this number will decrease proportional to their lessened profits or losses [13:12] schestowitz-TR so we need to keep hacking away at their corporse of a company [13:12] schestowitz-TR it's a lot bigger than novell [13:12] schestowitz-TR so much hacking will be needed [13:12] Techrights-sec they would have gone away long ago if not for the bailouts [13:13] schestowitz-TR yes, beat me to it [13:18] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:20] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:22] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [13:22] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:25] Techrights-sec ack [13:25] Techrights-sec how comforatble are rianne and marius with nano or other text-based editor? [13:26] schestowitz-TR rianne uses nano at work [13:26] schestowitz-TR marius is a unix/linuix geek, so... [13:26] schestowitz-TR and we mostly paste into browser/terminal from a text editor like kate anyway [13:27] Techrights-sec ok [13:27] Techrights-sec thanks [13:27] Techrights-sec which static site generator(s), if any, made the shortlist? [13:28] schestowitz-TR htmly [13:28] schestowitz-TR but for its rss support [13:28] schestowitz-TR however the feeds seem abbreviated [13:28] schestowitz-TR we need full text rss feeds to reat users with more than "click here" BS (to drive up useless "hits") [13:28] Techrights-sec it looks like it might be extensible or at least modifiable [13:37] schestowitz-TR see their dependencies [13:37] schestowitz-TR many of the ones I looked at are node or laravel or some other framework and lots of github everywhere [13:37] schestowitz-TR my mental framework goes like, will this be properly supported in 10 years? [13:38] schestowitz-TR many GUI stuff I did in the past 20+ years can barely even run [13:38] schestowitz-TR gtk1, cogl, qt [13:38] schestowitz-TR it's OK if you want to write and rewrite things [13:38] schestowitz-TR same for python and php [13:38] schestowitz-TR xul, swf, javafx.. [13:38] Techrights-sec ack [13:40] schestowitz-TR software need to slow the f* down [13:40] schestowitz-TR focus or devote resources to keeping existing things [13:40] schestowitz-TR not feature churn [13:40] schestowitz-TR I use the Microsoft Office analogy a lot [13:41] schestowitz-TR yesterday in IRC I last did this [13:41] schestowitz-TR mom and pop writing a letter don't need a 500MB program [13:41] schestowitz-TR (or a new PC fore that matter) [13:41] schestowitz-TR I get weather forecats from two independent source, one in the CLI another in Gemini, then compare [13:41] schestowitz-TR tomorrow might be good for bike ride [13:41] schestowitz-TR that takes like 1mb of ram [13:41] schestowitz-TR BillBC Weather is 200-300MB for the browser alone, before getting to any pages [13:41] Techrights-sec ack [13:43] Techrights-sec htmly seems rather primitive and, worse, awkward; however, I'm not sure [13:43] Techrights-sec how much better we could do ourselves here [13:45] schestowitz-TR as I said today, or maybe yestyerday, CMS space is either hobby or bloat [13:45] schestowitz-TR consolidation around several bloatware [13:45] schestowitz-TR with 90% stuff TM does NOT need [13:45] schestowitz-TR not for routine things [13:45] schestowitz-TR the other stuff I found I'd not trust to scale well to 10k...50k nodes [13:45] schestowitz-TR wordpress 1.2 still could not deal with "too many" posts in the same catagory [13:45] schestowitz-TR therea was no pagination [13:45] schestowitz-TR you had to add plugins for pagination ● Jul 06 [14:06] Techrights-sec ack [14:07] schestowitz-TR billbc: cranks belittle covid-19 [14:07] schestowitz-TR but it's OK when we do the same [14:07] schestowitz-TR because we're the bill fucking c(unt) [14:07] Techrights-sec ack [14:07] schestowitz-TR this sort of doublestandardism is abundant [14:07] schestowitz-TR like icbm using the word "master" all the time [14:07] schestowitz-TR we need to call them out on it [14:33] schestowitz-TR Spamnil has just bought himself another round of clickfraud in YouTube. Linux Foundation passes money to a fraud. http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/ [14:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights [14:37] Techrights-sec ack [14:37] Techrights-sec I don't ever click on his links, not that I'd run across them anyway [14:37] Techrights-sec LF now exists to degrade the brand [14:37] Techrights-sec and run it into the ground [14:37] schestowitz-TR LF is scamming companies [14:37] schestowitz-TR inc. startups [14:37] schestowitz-TR they deserve to know [14:38] schestowitz-TR rathger, I would say, [14:38] schestowitz-TR it sells the brand to those looking to destroy Linux itself [14:38] schestowitz-TR aka "controlled opposition [14:38] schestowitz-TR there's more money in doing that than in promoting free-as-in-freedom FAIF s/w [14:39] Techrights-sec yes that's probably a more clear way to put it [14:47] schestowitz-TR over time more and more people/sites/orgs see it the same way [14:47] schestowitz-TR which is what we want [14:47] schestowitz-TR epo is quitly tense at the moment, they cannot hire examiners [14:47] schestowitz-TR LF has not hired high-calibre people in recent years [14:47] schestowitz-TR just many incognitos and posers [14:47] schestowitz-TR reminds me of Novell and now Red Hat [14:47] schestowitz-TR one way to hurt an org is to make it unable to attract capable workers [14:47] schestowitz-TR as they research before accepting a job offer [14:47] schestowitz-TR plus, many capable people leave, and projects are in dire straits [14:47] schestowitz-TR shithub has been relativbely quiet and now sfc surprisingly "moves for the kill [14:47] schestowitz-TR matey is a lot more pessimistic than I am [14:50] schestowitz-TR orgs are different, the blueprints and methods are largely the same [14:50] schestowitz-TR the largeer the org (or better connected), the more blows it takes [14:50] schestowitz-TR you hardly hear of "black duck" anymore [14:50] schestowitz-TR snyk is the new "black duck" [14:53] Techrights-sec ack [14:54] schestowitz-TR a)m their tactics is to portray the critics as insane or hatefyl [14:54] schestowitz-TR b) we need patients, happiness, health (anger harms morale and corrodes the mind) [14:54] schestowitz-TR *patience [14:54] schestowitz-TR c) if you don't censor, they call you what they call those whom you don't censor. If you censor, they call you tyrant etc. [14:55] schestowitz-TR wait till MS finds out and openly acknowledges android uses Linux [14:56] schestowitz-TR (to zemlin's credit, he does mention this a lot) [14:56] schestowitz-TR and he uses iphone!1LOL [14:56] schestowitz-TR /s/MS/MSM [14:56] Techrights-sec yep they attack regardless [14:56] Techrights-sec :/ zemlin is a turd [14:57] schestowitz-TR I was going to say poophead, but you beat me to it [14:57] schestowitz-TR no matter the words, his actiosns speak volumes [14:57] schestowitz-TR like spamnil on his mac, with a banner that says "LINUX" behind him in videos [14:57] schestowitz-TR where he speaks to proprietary shits and promotes crap [14:58] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/07/02/finland-share-summer-2022/ [14:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Finland Turns 18 | Techrights [14:59] Techrights-sec :) [14:59] Techrights-sec still low but much improved [14:59] schestowitz-TR the Tipping Point (TM) ● Jul 06 [15:00] Techrights-sec strange that the FreeBSD wankers have only 0%, but that is on the desktop only [15:03] schestowitz-TR they will brag about netflix [15:03] schestowitz-TR which is going down [15:03] schestowitz-TR btw, ms will never recover on OS share [15:03] schestowitz-TR nor emerge again in mobile [15:03] schestowitz-TR with winCE (IIRC), about 20 years ago, they waged a war agaibT Palm OS and got some share of what was then still [15:03] schestowitz-TR a small but growing market [15:03] schestowitz-TR with blackberry also to join [15:03] schestowitz-TR the mobile "widows" devices were too heavy [15:03] schestowitz-TR too much reuse of paste code [15:04] schestowitz-TR *pasta [15:04] schestowitz-TR iPaq was one example [15:04] schestowitz-TR when i was not yet an apple thing [15:04] schestowitz-TR ipod was born around this time [15:04] schestowitz-TR The EpsteinStarterKit [15:05] schestowitz-TR with a t at the end, not a d [15:07] schestowitz-TR we don'tm have lobbyists and advertisers (LF is Microsoft, we are the advertisers... as volunteers), so the media [15:07] schestowitz-TR will almost make us seem smaller and worse than we actually ar [15:07] schestowitz-TR elikewise, in patent debates they try to make 90% of the population seem insane or "pirate [15:07] schestowitz-TR the copyright cartel does the same [15:07] schestowitz-TR they play a game of moralitry from their peanut gallaeryk, at the gallery's expenses [15:07] schestowitz-TR or the theatre's expoense rather [15:08] Techrights-sec yes especially in recent years since M$ has become a lobbying / political [15:08] Techrights-sec entity back 15 years ago or so [15:09] schestowitz-TR 15 years ago they lacked an incentive to improve their "products" [15:09] schestowitz-TR so they signed a novell patent deal and attacked everyone with protectionism (patrents) [15:09] schestowitz-TR and settled lawsuits to reduce crimes' visibility [15:19] schestowitz-TR Gardiner Bryant became de facto Valve marketing rep - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uvyLngqwg0E Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [15:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Set up DoomRPG on the Steam Deck (in under 5 minutes) - Invidious [15:24] Techrights-sec ack [15:24] schestowitz-TR see draft ● Jul 06 [16:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:44] Techrights-sec checking [16:44] Techrights-sec nicknames always need to be preceded or acompanied by the real name, for [16:44] Techrights-sec several reasons including associating the article with search results for [16:44] Techrights-sec their name ● Jul 06 [17:24] schestowitz-TR [16:04] schestowitz[TR]: will try to get it done tonight, yesterday i was not running on much sleep because of my stupid neighbors launching fireworks at 4:30am [17:25] Techrights-sec excellent [17:38] schestowitz-TR Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/06/north-korean-state-sponsored-cyber-actors-use-maui-ransomware see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [17:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | North Korean State-Sponsored Cyber Actors Use Maui Ransomware to Target the Healthcare and Public Health Sector | CISA [17:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [17:41] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [17:43] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] schestowitz-TR "It seems to me that I have been force-fed Google's services by almost everyone in my life: friends, family, but most notably school. My school's tech department *really* loves Google and uses it for blaming-everything-on-linux.gif blaming-everything-on-linux.webm - Google Classroom for homework assignments, Gmail for all communications" gemini://tilde.cafe/~winter/gemlog/2022-07-06_forced_google.gmi [17:49] schestowitz-TR Andy wrote about this too [17:49] schestowitz-TR another issue we'll have to tackle in years to come [17:49] schestowitz-TR at least raise awareness [17:49] schestowitz-TR for me, getting rid of gulag entirely means people cannot use the typical counteratgument [17:53] psydroid2 Microsoft brigade? [17:54] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: context|? [17:54] Techrights-sec ack [17:54] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: Oh, I see [17:54] schestowitz-TR maybe not Microsoft [17:55] schestowitz-TR anyone who uses Gulag and looks for excuses not to desist [17:55] schestowitz-TR and then attacks those who successfully refrain [17:55] schestowitz-TR that's why many people gleefully joined the anti-RMS mob ● Jul 06 [18:06] schestowitz-TR SJVN... business trip... with ChromeOS??? https://www.zdnet.com/article/a-new-chromebook-saved-my-bacon-when-my-old-one-died-in-mid-business-trip/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 [18:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-A new Chromebook saved my bacon when my old one died mid-business trip | ZDNet [18:07] schestowitz-TR UNIX beard -> GNU/Linux beard -> Linux bird -> Gulag used [18:13] Techrights-sec https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/microsoft-slash-activision-blizzard-merger-inquiry [18:13] Techrights-sec the deadline for you, Rianne, Andy, etc to comment is 20 July [18:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft / Activision Blizzard merger inquiry - GOV.UK [18:13] psydroid2 -> got his brain eaten by a praying mantiss and turned into a zombird [18:13] schestowitz-TR I could put in a letter but without money *hush hush* inside the envelope [18:13] schestowitz-TR criminals usually get their way here [18:14] Techrights-sec it'd still be worth turning in a formal comment [18:14] schestowitz-TR maybe this weekend, plus copy in TR [18:18] Techrights-sec excellent! [18:18] Techrights-sec can you ask others there in the UK, too? [18:19] schestowitz-TR maybe, but not now as I race against the clock to make time in case we get a fresh new machine today and I can configure the stack, dns etc. [18:19] schestowitz-TR and start prototyping ;-) [18:29] Techrights-sec ack [18:36] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: are you interested in getting involved? [18:37] schestowitz-TR we are likely making a simple CMS [18:37] schestowitz-TR and if it's good, it'll be used in Techrights too [18:37] psydroid2 schestowitz-TR, I don't know anything about web technologies, so I don't think I would be of any help ● Jul 06 [19:07] schestowitz-TR LibreOffice: we have "over 200 million users around the globe" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/07/06/join-the-libreoffice-team-as-a-web-technology-engineer-m-f-d-10-20h-per-week-remote/ [19:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.documentfoundation.org | Join the LibreOffice Team as a Web Technology Engineer (m/f/d), 10-20h per week, remote - The Document Foundation Blog [19:07] Techrights-sec ack [19:20] schestowitz-TR NSA Bruce https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/nist-announces-first-four-quantum-resistant-cryptographic-algorithms.html [19:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-NIST Announces First Four Quantum-Resistant Cryptographic Algorithms - Schneier on Security [19:38] Techrights-sec ack [19:42] schestowitz-TR he loves squids [19:42] schestowitz-TR know for... [19:42] schestowitz-TR eyesight (all seeing) [19:42] schestowitz-TR many tentacles [19:42] schestowitz-TR strong "teeth" [19:42] schestowitz-TR going under [19:42] schestowitz-TR shrewdness and shape-shifting [19:42] schestowitz-TR I was about to add colour shifting too [19:42] schestowitz-TR based on videos I saw [19:42] schestowitz-TR and some typos above [19:42] schestowitz-TR but I still don't know the history well know to understand why he does that friday squid theme [19:42] schestowitz-TR I used to think because of squid the s/w [19:42] schestowitz-TR NSA uses the squid for some symbolism [19:42] Techrights-sec ack [19:42] Techrights-sec color shifting [19:42] Techrights-sec no idea [19:49] schestowitz-TR holy s* [19:49] schestowitz-TR covid numbers preview [19:49] schestowitz-TR writing... [19:49] schestowitz-TR itwire = shit site, with a needle in its haystack, almost always from one person, who himself does a lot of fake "reporting" [19:49] schestowitz-TR probably a condition for him staying [19:49] Techrights-sec https://itwire.com/it-people-news/people-moves/logicalis-engages-antoniou-as-microsoft-engagement-manager.html [19:49] Techrights-sec yes it is. however the troubling news is that the one company is paying [19:49] Techrights-sec the salary of a microsofter working for microsoft but inside the company [19:49] Techrights-sec the one company is basically paying for an M$ handler [19:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - Logicalis engages Antoniou as Microsoft engagement manager [19:50] schestowitz-TR I don't know anything about this company [19:50] schestowitz-TR and I doubt this is newsworthy [19:50] schestowitz-TR propos, see what I just published re phoronix [19:50] schestowitz-TR hope it's not TOO harsh [19:53] Techrights-sec the specific company is not important the problem is that M$ has been trying [19:53] Techrights-sec to do that for years and are increasing their aggressive and burdenship [19:53] Techrights-sec relationship to other companies [19:53] Techrights-sec it's similar to when they started naming sales teams like they were official [19:53] Techrights-sec public sector government jobs [19:53] Techrights-sec meh if there was not sufficient disclaimer there at phoronix ... 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