●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Sunday, December 06, 2020 ●● ● Dec 06 [00:40] schestowitz > Some people already refer to free software as freedom-respecting [00:40] schestowitz > software. It doesn't really cause any problems, there's no real point in [00:40] schestowitz > discouraging it AFAICT but the real benefits are small. It's got more [00:40] schestowitz > than twice as many syllables and doesn't follow the rule of three. [00:40] schestowitz > [00:40] schestowitz > I don't think it does any harm to call it that though. As to whether [00:40] schestowitz > it's harder to co-opt, at this point phrases are owned by definitions, [00:40] schestowitz > definitions are owned by orgs, orgs are owned by sponsors. Thus Open [00:40] schestowitz > Source <- OSD <- OSI <- Microsoft, and people have talked about changing [00:40] schestowitz > the OSD! It comes from the DFSG <- Debian <- SPI <- Google, and Free [00:40] schestowitz > Software comes from the FSD <- FSF <- GNOME <- OSI/Microsoft again. [00:40] schestowitz > (Outreachy seems to be the vehicle which GNOME used to take over the FSF [00:40] schestowitz > for OSI, but that's wild speculation even by my own standards.) [00:40] schestowitz > [00:40] schestowitz > What really gets phrases co-opted is if the phrase is designed to co-opt [00:40] schestowitz > in the first place-- or if people stop defending the phrase, because [00:40] schestowitz > there are GNU Projects moving to GitHub when the owner of the trademark [00:40] schestowitz > insisted they not do so; and yet he probably doesn't want to ab/use the [00:40] schestowitz > trademark towards keeping people off GitHub, which I don't blame him for [00:40] schestowitz > that. Right idea perhaps, but I don't like that method either. [00:40] schestowitz > [00:40] schestowitz > vZS1 [00:40] schestowitz > And call it Freedom-respecting software [00:40] schestowitz > Dec 04 21:39 [00:40] schestowitz > 04 21:39:21> [00:40] schestowitz > vZS1 [00:40] schestowitz > So it's harder to co-opt [00:40] schestowitz > Dec 04 21:39 [00:40] schestowitz > 04 21:39:33> [00:40] schestowitz > vZS1 [00:40] schestowitz > Just a suggestion [00:40] schestowitz > Dec 04 21:41 [00:40] schestowitz > 04 21:41:53> [00:40] schestowitz > [00:40] schestowitz > [00:40] schestowitz > [00:41] schestowitz > [00:41] schestowitz > schestowitz [00:41] schestowitz > vZS1: he will read this [00:41] schestowitz > Dec 04 21:48 [00:41] schestowitz > 04 21:48:30> [00:41] schestowitz > schestowitz [00:41] schestowitz > maybe he will choose to do a follow-up article re the name ● Dec 06 [01:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:41] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● Dec 06 [02:04] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [02:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 06 [03:27] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [03:32] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [03:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 06 [05:20] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:20] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [05:31] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [05:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 06 [06:37] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:37] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [06:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [06:38] *rianne has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Dec 06 [07:48] schestowitz Re: artwork [07:48] schestowitz > Hi Roy :-) Here's a painting I've done. I'd recently noticed you [07:48] schestowitz > referred to looking for a picture of a lock, plus recalled vZS1 saying [07:48] schestowitz > he'd like something uplifting about the last year or two, so hopefully [07:48] schestowitz > this painting covers both things. Point of interest maybe, but I used a [07:48] schestowitz > flowers brush for rust, lol. About 4 hours, using various texture [07:48] schestowitz > brushes, and a soft blender for the nature scene in the background. [07:48] schestowitz > I never like to promise what I may not end up delivering, so must say I [07:48] schestowitz > can't definitely promise further art, as I have various things I'm busy [07:48] schestowitz > with, and must take care of health issues also, but, if possible, I'll [07:48] schestowitz > most certainly send it along. Hope you enjoy the painting. [07:48] schestowitz > Happy drawing! Cheers, the Mogz. [07:48] schestowitz This looks really fantastic. [07:48] schestowitz You are even more talented an artist than I realised! [07:48] schestowitz I've passed that along to vZS1 over E-mail. [07:48] schestowitz If there any licence information we ought to add, or just attribution to you? [07:48] schestowitz We'll use that soon. ● Dec 06 [08:21] schestowitz > Nice. Is it CC? [08:21] schestowitz I've asked (an hour ago) [08:21] schestowitz He might do more for us. [08:21] schestowitz We asked for cartoons (Torvalds, RMS...) ● Dec 06 [09:25] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:30] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [09:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 06 [10:43] schestowitz of a lock, plus rechttps://twitter.com/UlintlEng/status/1335533740085440514 [10:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@UlintlEng: #Manjaro is the #Linux#Distribution my choice on the notebook. Even if I have to consider a slight improvement and https://t.co/7owW0nh648 [10:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@UlintlEng: #Manjaro is the #Linux#Distribution my choice on the notebook. Even if I have to consider a slight improvement and https://t.co/7owW0nh648 [10:43] schestowitz #Manjaro is the #Linux#Distribution my choice on the notebook. [10:43] schestowitz Even if I have to consider a slight improvement and slight shadwos in 2020, it is: [10:43] schestowitz 1) still a very good operating system [10:43] schestowitz and ... [10:43] schestowitz http://tuxmachines.org/node/145063 [10:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 20.2 Brings the Latest Kernel, GNOME, KDE, and Xfce | Tux Machines [10:43] schestowitz 1/2 --> [10:43] schestowitz 2) and in my opinion definitely the better #RollingRelease System as #Windows10 . [10:43] schestowitz Grinning face [10:43] schestowitz 2/2 ● Dec 06 [13:36] *rianne__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:36] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 06 [14:50] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DawnSpirit2/status/1335388311301419008 [14:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DawnSpirit2: @Barnes_Law Former Microsoft Employees Dont Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for https://t.co/UJTq0k0LoG [14:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DawnSpirit2: @Barnes_Law Former Microsoft Employees Dont Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for https://t.co/UJTq0k0LoG [14:50] schestowitz "t and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for Spy Agencies)" [14:50] schestowitz "Former Microsoft Employees Dont Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for Spy Agencies)" [14:50] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DawnSpirit2/status/1335388408194031616 [14:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DawnSpirit2: @Barnes_Law Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors https://t.co/ov7fRKmUCe [14:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2014/07/31/microsoft-back-doors-admission/ ) [14:50] schestowitz "Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors" ● Dec 06 [16:25] schestowitz "just donated to the Internet Archive this year. There is a matching grant going on at the moment." [16:25] schestowitz You have to wonder sometimes who matches. Can be Google, Gates... anyone... with strings [16:26] schestowitz See SFC. Community-washing oligarch/corporate money. ● Dec 06 [17:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:23] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:29] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [17:31] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [17:35] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/12/around-ip-blogs.html [17:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Around the IP Blogs - The IPKat [17:35] schestowitz "The UPC Preparatory Committee has reacted with enthusiasm to the approval in the German Bundestag of the ratification legislation for the Unified Patent Court Agreement. Kluwer Patent Blog reported on this new development." [17:38] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [17:58] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [17:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 06 [18:34] *randomgry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #boycottnovell [18:34] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:36] *randomgry is now known as gry ● Dec 06 [21:58] schestowitz " [21:58] schestowitz Would the UPC piece be able to help Zoobab? [21:58] schestowitz afk ... [21:58] schestowitz " [21:58] schestowitz afaik, can't help unless we present new evidence ● Dec 06 [23:00] schestowitz > Hi Roy :-) and thank you very much! Glad you like it, and thank you for [23:00] schestowitz > also passing it to vZS1. I'll leave the licensing to you, and if that [23:00] schestowitz > includes that you'd like to attribute, using the name Mogz is fine. Cheers, [23:01] schestowitz > Hi again Roy :-) Just seen that artwork's in an article; great that it's [23:01] schestowitz > useful! May I ask for a little edit, though? I'm female, not male. [23:01] schestowitz > Thanks and have a good day [23:01] schestowitz Sorry about that [23:01] schestowitz Thanks for the fantastic art. Everyone likes it. [23:27] schestowitz https://twitter.com/gnarlin2/status/1335637579992064001 [23:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gnarlin2: @schestowitz Direct link to the blog post: https://t.co/bu9nSGwPk5 [23:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> daniel-lange.com | No dog food today - the Linux Foundation annual report | Daniel Lange's blog [23:31] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Quantum_Quench/status/1335659696481595392 [23:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Quantum_Quench: @schestowitz Why? [23:32] schestowitz https://twitter.com/AlwaystrumpOrg/status/1335632585662324740 [23:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AlwaystrumpOrg: Shut up you disgusting #libnut @richardbranson. Weve heard it all before! So what! @POTUS @realDonaldTrump was foc https://t.co/eOLIHDXgoN [23:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AlwaystrumpOrg: Shut up you disgusting #libnut @richardbranson. Weve heard it all before! So what! @POTUS @realDonaldTrump was foc https://t.co/eOLIHDXgoN [23:32] schestowitz " [23:33] schestowitz Shut up you disgusting #libnut @richardbranson [23:33] schestowitz . Weve heard it all before! So what! @POTUS [23:33] schestowitz @realDonaldTrump [23:33] schestowitz was focused on that and not your pretty hair, fashionable clothes and ingenious mind. Ill take my #StableGenius any day of the week. Too bad! You couldve been @ElonMusk [23:33] schestowitz ! [23:33] schestowitz " [23:33] schestowitz https://twitter.com/MelBrooksJM/status/1335608742587600910 [23:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MelBrooksJM: @schestowitz Yeah but who gets Twitter $$$'s?? [23:34] schestowitz https://twitter.com/nerissimo/status/1335568714230607872 [23:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nerissimo: @schestowitz @glynmoody it tragically reminds me one of the shocking #NineLives masterfully told by @DalrympleWill [23:35] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1335428789292036097 [23:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: As a co-author co-developer years in the gnu Linux space, I can attest to that this Google season of docs effort is https://t.co/Ffd62d4R7e [23:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: As a co-author co-developer years in the gnu Linux space, I can attest to that this Google season of docs effort is https://t.co/Ffd62d4R7e [23:35] schestowitz "As a co-author co-developer years in the gnu Linux space, I can attest to that this Google season of docs effort is absolutely unnecessary. #techwriters... work with free sw or 'open source' projects - you don't need Google... just go volunteer....https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs" [23:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-developers.google.com | Season of Docs | Google Developers [23:35] schestowitz https://twitter.com/dbut53/status/1335366859835781121 [23:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dbut53: Save #LisaMontgomery #MentallyIll #AbuseVictim AG William Barr @Bill19293640 @TheJusticeDept @RealDonaldTrump No mo https://t.co/a6bVu9jCig [23:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dbut53: Save #LisaMontgomery #MentallyIll #AbuseVictim AG William Barr @Bill19293640 @TheJusticeDept @RealDonaldTrump No mo https://t.co/a6bVu9jCig [23:35] schestowitz " [23:35] schestowitz Save #LisaMontgomery #MentallyIll #AbuseVictim [23:35] schestowitz AG William Barr @Bill19293640 [23:35] schestowitz @TheJusticeDept [23:35] schestowitz @RealDonaldTrump [23:35] schestowitz No more #LameDuck #FederalExecutions [23:35] schestowitz #DeathPenalty makes killers of all [23:35] schestowitz Heed @DPFocus [23:35] schestowitz @barb1840 [23:36] schestowitz @HelenPrejean [23:36] schestowitz @TheCollectiveD1 [23:36] schestowitz @DPInfoCtr [23:36] schestowitz @DeathPenaltyAct [23:36] schestowitz @kelleyjhenry [23:36] schestowitz " [23:36] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DaughertyMJ/status/1335352798599409667 [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DaughertyMJ: This is typical and disgusting https://t.co/M2gBQmTSGC [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Microsoft marketing disguised as news at #cbs #marketing spam sites #cnet and #zdnet urging people to violate the E https://t.co/lDlaVwnFUl [23:36] schestowitz https://twitter.com/PamelaDrew/status/1335337617194356736 [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PamelaDrew: @schestowitz Food lines are a mirage. https://t.co/7TXc4iK00n [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PamelaDrew: @schestowitz Food lines are a mirage. https://t.co/7TXc4iK00n [23:36] schestowitz https://twitter.com/dvdeijk/status/1335333280586100737 [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dvdeijk: @schestowitz 1. Somalia isn't North Africa 2. North Africa isn't the US' to give away. 3. Yes the us broken democra https://t.co/kDjKW6kNAu [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dvdeijk: @schestowitz 1. Somalia isn't North Africa 2. North Africa isn't the US' to give away. 3. Yes the us broken democra https://t.co/kDjKW6kNAu [23:36] schestowitz " [23:36] schestowitz 1. Somalia isn't North Africa [23:36] schestowitz 2. North Africa isn't the US' to give away. [23:36] schestowitz 3. Yes the us broken democracy in Egypt to install a dictator but the other countries are relatively free. [23:36] schestowitz " [23:36] schestowitz https://twitter.com/joesteals/status/1335307609574817792 [23:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@joesteals: @schestowitz Of course, they engineered it. The UN is beyond satanic. [23:37] schestowitz https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1335287475011420162 [23:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: Sounds about right. Religion is stupid. https://t.co/qTjNkj9ISw [23:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "collected just over $169 million from more than 977,000 patients with bills at least 30 days past due, but only 1% https://t.co/Kp72qHU6H9