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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ERPchum/status/1192168730236792833Nov 07 00:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ERPchum: Microsoft 'Rebranding' (Inventing in the E.E.E. Sense) Chromium https://t.co/JZ85YZBB2b by @schestowitz #microsoftNov 07 00:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft ‘Rebranding’ (Inventing in the E.E.E. Sense) Chromium | TechrightsNov 07 00:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16442412#5bda8030e34401371e917a163ef10931Nov 07 04:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #brexit #uk ☞ Great Britain is Reaching for #Nationalism Over Economic Sense https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/05/great-britain-is-reaching-for-nationalism-over-economic-sense/ @glynmoody Nov 07 04:35
schestowitz"Familiar refrain. Play it agin'"Nov 07 04:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.counterpunch.org | Great Britain is Reaching for Nationalism Over Economic Sense - CounterPunch.orgNov 07 04:35
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/_________it/status/1192279742658908160Nov 07 05:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@_________it: @schestowitz @wikileaks @AJENews I'd be surprised if he's still in prison after year end, as a whole wagon load of… https://t.co/TQT6RaryFJNov 07 05:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@_________it: @schestowitz @wikileaks @AJENews I'd be surprised if he's still in prison after year end, as a whole wagon load of… https://t.co/TQT6RaryFJNov 07 05:32
acer-box"https://twitter.com/_________it/status/1192279742658908160"Nov 07 05:32
acer-box"I'd be surprised if he's still in prison after year end, as a whole wagon load of derivatives will flush him right out the side gate about that time."Nov 07 05:32
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/paula_gem/status/1192277893037998080Nov 07 05:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@paula_gem: @schestowitz @GrandpaRobot A DUH moment..Nov 07 05:32
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/1192125387423322112Nov 07 05:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@iridesce57: @schestowitz Heard about software being put together by volunteers for the betterment of everyone and tried Slackwa… https://t.co/OudqMIeFtMNov 07 05:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@iridesce57: @schestowitz Heard about software being put together by volunteers for the betterment of everyone and tried Slackwa… https://t.co/OudqMIeFtMNov 07 05:40
acer-box"Heard about software being put together by volunteers for the betterment of everyone and tried Slackware.  It was too involved for a rookie like me and I ended up putting Mandrake on my newly built box."Nov 07 05:40
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/1192110929623826432Nov 07 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @wikileaks Sponsored by #HSBCNov 07 05:45
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1192110337157451781Nov 07 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Cloudflare Alice at work! @schestowitzNov 07 05:45
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/AnnaCamassia/status/1192015246606553088Nov 07 05:47
schestowitz> Happy 13th year of TR.Nov 07 07:56
schestowitzNo cake this time :-)Nov 07 07:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1192381560168833024Nov 07 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: GNOME Foundation and OIN/IBM lobbying them behind the scenes to do not use Alice https://t.co/AByNmXBTf1 #gnome… https://t.co/ESrM4FecB4Nov 07 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The GNOME Foundation’s Potentially Useless Defense Strategy is an OIN-Styled ‘Fix’ and Not a Software Patents Fix (Abolition) | TechrightsNov 07 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: GNOME Foundation and OIN/IBM lobbying them behind the scenes to do not use Alice https://t.co/AByNmXBTf1 #gnome… https://t.co/ESrM4FecB4Nov 07 10:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1192381879485378560Nov 07 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: OIN is in the ‘business’ of teaching FOSS people to tolerate rather than eliminate software patents https://t.co/AByNmXBTf1Nov 07 10:10
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/10/breaking-board-of-appeal-provides-some.html?showComment=1572906093508#c1524382814914113521Nov 07 10:15
schestowitz"Suleman Ali makes a good point in his mail of today. See, "any person" can file a patent application (under Art 58, EPC) and then correct the ownership entity during prosecution. Can we derive from Art 58 that the framers of the EPC intended a degree of tolerance, a "grace period" if you will, after filing, to allow time to dot the i's and cross the t's on the formalities of ownership, always provided it is done prior to grant? Is this a Nov 07 10:15
schestowitzfurther indicator and confirmation of the sense of the Paris Convention, to provide a fair degree of protection for genuine inventors, internationally, balanced against a reasonable level of legal certainty for everybody else, all over the world?"Nov 07 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Board of Appeal provides some initial thoughts on the Broad Institute’s CRISPR appeal (T0844/18) - The IPKatNov 07 10:15
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/breaking-high-court-of-england-and.html?showComment=1572954806114#c527007330109521893Nov 07 10:15
schestowitz"I'm afraid you're likely to be disappointed. The BBC used technological, rather than legal, means to withdraw its stations from TuneIn, by withdrawing the static URLs by which stations could previously be accessed. Instead, you have to listen through the BBC Sounds app, which will direct your device to a dynamic address which can't be shared with others. So TuneIn won't be able to reinstate BBC services, even if they want to (which I'm Nov 07 10:15
schestowitzsure they do)."Nov 07 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: High Court of England and Wales weighs in on communication to the public and linking - The IPKatNov 07 10:15
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/10/breaking-board-of-appeal-provides-some.html?showComment=1572980649590#c8435303078709457893Nov 07 10:16
schestowitz"Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzDear Max Drei and dear Suleiman Ali,Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzI would like to draw your attention to the fact that the authentic text of the Paris Convention is French. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzThe English version is a mere translation, albeit an official one.Nov 07 10:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Board of Appeal provides some initial thoughts on the Broad Institute’s CRISPR appeal (T0844/18) - The IPKatNov 07 10:16
schestowitzArt 4 A in its authentic version states:Nov 07 10:16
schestowitz1) « Celui qui » aura régulièrement fait le dépôt d’une demande de brevet d’invention….Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzArt 4 A in its English version statesNov 07 10:16
schestowitz1)“Any person” who has duly filed an application for a patent….Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzTo me the wording “any person” is not equivalent to “celui qui”.Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzAs I have said before, “celui qui” can have a plural which is then “ceux qui”. To me it is thus clear that if a plurality of co-applicants have filed a first application in a Paris Convention State have to be the co-applicants of the subsequent application claiming the priority of the first application, unless a transfer of rights has taken place to some of the original applicants or even to a third party to which the priority Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzright has been assigned. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzFor the sake of it, one might accept that in English “any person” becomes “any persons” in the plural. But the conclusion remains the same.Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzTrying to hide under “any person” a group of persons which does not have to be constituted by the same group of persons when filing the subsequent application is thus quite daring and defies any logic. But this is what the proprietor tries to do. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzThis has nothing to do with changing the ownership of an application. Even if a change of ownership would be requested as a correction under R 139, the EPO is entitled to verify whether the ownership has been correctly transferred. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzIf the subsequent application is filed by the same group of persons having filed the priority application, a request for amendment under R 139 of the name of the applicants after filing, by deletion of the name of one of the original applicants or even by substitution in favour of a third party, the EPO would be perfectly entitled to verify whether the ownership of the priority has been correctly transferred.Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzThat the transfer of priority right has to occur before filing has another reason. Under EPC 2000, it is not possible to correct the information after publication of the application. Cf. R 52(2 to 4). A declaration of priority can only be corrected up to 4 months of the oldest priority, and if anticipated public publication has been requested from the moment of publication. The time constraint in matter of claiming priority is thus quite Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzhigh, and it cannot be said that the conditions set by the EPO are unduly strict. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzI would thus conclude that the EPO is abiding by the Paris Convention and provides “a fair degree of protection for genuine inventors, internationally, balanced against a reasonable level of legal certainty for everybody else, all over the world”. But “any person” should not be left to the whim of the subsequent applicant. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzIt is thus for US applicants to be more careful, and not for the EPO to change its practice to please US applicants. Nov 07 10:16
schestowitzMay be after the disaster of the Broad Institute, US applicants will be aware of the problems and act accordingly. Nov 07 10:16
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schestowitzSuleman,Nov 07 10:17
schestowitzThe question of whether it is possible to retroactively correct the applicants for an application claiming priority is completely different to the question of the standard that should be applied under the Paris Convention for assessing the entitlement of the applicant(s) to claim priority.Nov 07 10:17
schestowitzPerhaps it would be reasonable in situations like this to permit retroactive correction. What would not be reasonable would be to ditch a perfectly sensible (and workable) line of case law in favour of a much less robust / workable standard.Nov 07 10:17
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schestowitzThank you Proof of the Pudding. I would disagree that the present case law is 'working'. It is only working in the sense of making it easy for the EPO to decide, by keeping the rules very black and white, and therefore strict. It is not working in terms of helping applicants get patents as way of benefiting the economic system. They are making costly mistakes, and no one is working to make the system easier. Nov 07 10:17
schestowitzThank you 'The EPO is not to blame but the applicant' for explaining the basis of the present system. However my point remains that it is 'punitive'. When a party makes a mistake it is their 'fault' and the system 'punishes' them. The EPO should not have that mindset, and should be changing the rules to make its systems easier to use. Priority goes wrong too often on important cases, and even if there is a feeling that the Americans need Nov 07 10:17
schestowitzto learn our system, this should not affect how we act towards them. Nov 07 10:18
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schestowitzFollowing my preceding comment, I would like to draw your attention to decision Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzT 924/15Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzhttps://www.epo.org/law-practice/case-law-appeals/recent/t150924eu1.htmlNov 07 10:18
schestowitzIn this decision, a correction under R 139 of name of applicant in order to make the priority valid was not admitted. The Board also considered that G 1/12 was not applicable. Nov 07 10:18
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.epo.org | EPO - T 0924/15 () of 21.1.2019Nov 07 10:18
schestowitz"Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzGlad to see so much activity in this thread. Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzOn the question, what does "any person" mean, I note what the Rapporteur has already suggested. Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzAs to "lowering of standards for no good reason" again I suggest that formalities should be kept as simple as possible, but no simpler than necessary to balance the objectives of i) fair protection for Applicants and iii) reasonable legal certainty for everybody else. The lodestar "Simple as possible, but no more simple than that" is very long in the tooth but still reliable and trustworthy.Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzConsider the strictness with which the EPO polices Art 123(2) EPC. Fully justified, in my view. That strictness keeps the case law clean and simple, and allows FTO drafters to express their opinions with a high level of confidence, to the benefit of industry, and it does this without depriving Applicants of any scope of protection. Whether the same level of strictness on the formalities of "successor in title" are required, before the end Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzof the Paris year, is the matter for debate here. I am not yet convinced that any switch here, away from the established case law, would result in something "much less robust" or "much less workable". Some might indeed argue the opposite. Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzBut there you go! Let the debate continue. And let's try to keep out of "headless chicken" panic territory. Nov 07 10:18
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schestowitzSuleman,Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzAs much as one might not wish it were so, the "punishment" cannot always fit the "crime". A good example would be an inescapable Art.123(2) / Art.123(3) trap. Very harsh, but necessary for the purposes of consistency of interpretation of provisions that serve an essential function.Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzFor the purposes of interpreting the relevant provisions of the Paris Convention, it is necessary to determine the intended function(s) of those provisions. The established case law (and the communication from the Board) sets out good reasons for believing that a "strict" interpretation of those provisions is necessary in order to ensure that they serve one of their essential functions, namely the prevention of abuse of the priority Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzsystem.Nov 07 10:18
schestowitzPersonally, I believe that this function of the system is important enough to override the otherwise (seemingly) reasonable arguments against a less "strict" interpretation. But this may just be because I like to see coherency, consistency and workability in legal systems.Nov 07 10:18
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/11/what-was-relevant-undertaking-further.html?showComment=1573039467644#c5046065602826737988Nov 07 10:18
schestowitz"Sorry to criticise, but your introduction above rather simplifies the decision (see eg paragraphs 79-82 which are pretty clear). The undertaking question is one of the factors to consider and having identified it for consideration, the HO then effectively ignored it. See para 82 in particular."Nov 07 10:18
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | What was the relevant undertaking? Further comments on Unilever v Shanks [2019] UKSC 45 - The IPKatNov 07 10:18
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/10/breaking-board-of-appeal-provides-some.html?showComment=1573053270381#c3693215269326058172Nov 07 10:19
schestowitz"Thanks Proof of the Pudding. I would just say that obtaining and successfully defending a patent must surely be primarily based on the nature of the scientific contribution that is made. It should not be primarily based on having an ability to navigate very complex procedures and requirements of the EPO. The EPO must surely be the number one patent office for rejection of patent applications for formal reasons (added matter, priority etc)Nov 07 10:19
schestowitz. It seems to have no way of self-diagnosing this, including at appeal and Enlarged Board level. In other jurisdictions a Supreme Court of some sort would act as a mitigating agent, but the EPO does not have that. It therefore has no means to stop itself getting stricter and for developing ever more complex legal tests, and so becomes more and more removed from the economic function of patents. Perhaps one day the EU will take it over and Nov 07 10:19
schestowitzreconsider all this. "Nov 07 10:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Board of Appeal provides some initial thoughts on the Broad Institute’s CRISPR appeal (T0844/18) - The IPKatNov 07 10:19
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/11/01/ingve-stjerna-examination-compatibility-upca-with-german-and-eu-law-was-deficient/#commentsNov 07 10:42
schestowitz"Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzOne can only be thankful to Mr Stjerna to have had the guts to say no to an agreement which in the end was set up by and for the benefit of a small number of big international lawyer firms presently engaged in multinational litigation. The UPC is a prime example how lobbying intervenes in the legal sector.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzThere are a lot of constitutional problems, not only in Germany, but in all the member states.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzThat the Administrative Committee of the UPC should be able to amend the UPC Statute in a way which squeezes out national parliaments has been demonstrated by statements of members of those firms claiming that in case of Brexit, provided UK has ratified before Brexit, it could stay as member of the UPC.Nov 07 10:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Ingve Stjerna: Examination compatibility UPCA with German and EU law was deficient - Kluwer Patent BlogNov 07 10:42
schestowitzAll the haste to bring the UPC into force as soon as possible is explained by the desire to establish a fait accompli after which it would no longer be possible to go back.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzThe UPC rules of procedure were concocted by a select committee whose members co-opted each other. There have brought in new ways of interacting on the legal level without the parliaments being even aware of it. I think for example of the forced intervention, which boils down to the fact that a judgement of the UPC can be applied to a third party who did not participate in the dispute. I doubt this is constitutional in lot of member Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzstates.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzIf the UPC is so compliant with EU law, why was it avoided at any costs to ask for an opinion of the CJEU like it was the case for EPLA?Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzThe judges removed from office by the Presidium have no means of redress, cf. Art 10 of the statute. Which can as said be amended by the Administrative Committee, although it meant to be part of the Agreement. Renewal of judges is also not a token of independence. Will renewal be conditioned by a given performance, whatever one understands under this heading, like for the members of the Boards of Appeal of the EPO?Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzHave the members of Parliaments in all member states having ratified really looked at what they ratified? Strong doubts are permitted.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzWhen one looks at the economic consequences of the UPC, they are abundantly clear.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzWhen barely a third of European patent applications stem from members states of the EU, who will primarily benefit from them? Mostly non-European litigants.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzWhich industries need a patent in all member states of the UPC? The fingers of one hand are more than ample. One should simply look at the average validations of European patents. My guess is between 5 and 7 at most.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzAs far as European SMEs are concerned, the member of a big litigation lawyer firm has conceded in this blog that the UPC is not made for SMEs, in spite of all the pseudo studies issued by the EPO on this topic. We know by now, that those studies are not worth the paper they are printed on.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzIt is just a mere detail that the quorum for ratification has apparently not been reached when the UPC was ratified by the German parliament. There are plenty other reasons, much more important than this one, which should lead to the UPC not being ratified to come into force.Nov 07 10:42
schestowitzAfter Brexit, the removal of London as seat of a part of the central division in the Agreement itself should also not be left the Administrative Committee. It needs to reopen the negotiations and a new round of ratifications.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzThat some members of the legal profession wanted to set up a lucrative playground for their firms explains the vehement way they defend the UPC and want it at any rate and at any cost. It is good that Brexit and then the constitutional complaint disturbed this well organised lobbying action.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzTechrights: FINGERS OFF!! Directly or indirectly, for instance by mere global referral to this blog.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzRussell BartonNov 07 10:43
schestowitzNOVEMBER 4, 2019 AT 12:02 PMNov 07 10:43
schestowitz@attentiveobserverNov 07 10:43
schestowitz“That the Administrative Committee of the UPC should be able to amend the UPC Statute in a way which squeezes out national parliaments has been demonstrated by statements of members of those firms claiming that in case of Brexit, provided UK has ratified before Brexit, it could stay as member of the UPC”Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzIt does not demonstrate that. Art 87(2) provides “The Administrative Committee may amend this Agreement to bring it into line with an international treaty relating to patents or Union law” and so the power as to the substance of such amendments is with those deciding international treaties (inc national parliaments) and Union Law (inc at least the European parliament) not the Administrative Council.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzIn regard to Brexit, the suggestion is that the UK remaining in the UPC could be agreed in the withdrawal agreement and/or agreements/treaties on the future relationship between the UK and EU that are in place before the end of transitional period. That would allow the Administrative Council to make any needed changes to the UPCA to implement such legally binding agreement between the UK and EU27. National governments would not be Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzsqueezed out- they would have their conventional role in ratifying (or not ratifying) such underlying legal agreement.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzThe Convention watchdogNov 07 10:43
schestowitzNOVEMBER 5, 2019 AT 10:00 AMNov 07 10:43
schestowitzThe Withdrawal Agreement is a matter of EU law, whereas the powers of the Administrative Committee of the UPC are a matter of International Treaty law. The Member States of the UPC Agreement and the EU are not identical. Therefore, the Parliaments of the EU Member States cannot replace the Parliaments of the UPCA Member States. Besides that, it appears as a legal absurdity to misuse a provision for amending an existing Treaty for bringing Nov 07 10:43
schestowitza not yet existing Treaty to life.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzAttentive ObserverNov 07 10:43
schestowitzNOVEMBER 5, 2019 AT 5:45 PMNov 07 10:43
schestowitzDear Mr Barton,Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzMy apologies for brushing over Art 87 UPCA. According to Art 87(2) UPCA, the Administrative Committee may indeed amend the UPCA to bring it into line with an international treaty relating to patents or Union law.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzArt 87(3) provides the possibility for a member state not to agree with an amended UPCA, upon which a Review Conference of the Contracting Member States shall be convened. This means a diplomatic conference has to be summoned to amend the UPC. The question is thus who will decide whether or not it agrees with an amended UPCA. Primarily, it will be the Government of a member state who will decide.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzIf the government agrees with the amendment and accepts the new version of the UPCA, it will have an immediate effect in that member state. We could thus have the situation in which a revised international treaty enters into force for a member state without consultation of the parliament when the UPC is merely brought in line with an international treaty relating to patents. As a general rule, governments sign treaties and parliaments Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzratify them. Without ratification they cannot be part and be above national legislation.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzIf the amendment is to bring the UPCA in line with Union law, one can suppose that at least the European Parliament will have been consulted. It will thus remain to the government to incorporate the new union law in the national legislation, and thus most likely it will have to consult the parliament.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzNevertheless, Art 87 has been set up in order to make amendments easier, and I should thus not say that governments might be squeezed out, but rather the parliament may be squeezed out, depending on the decision of a government. On a constitutional level, this might pose a series of problems.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzAs for the present UK government and for any possible future government not wanting to accept decisions of the CJEU, any agreement keeping UK in the UPC after Brexit is mere wishful thinking. We have in any case to wait until after December 12th to see further in this respect.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzAs the German government has made clear that, independently of the decision of the German Federal Court, it might not ratify the UPCA before the end of the Brexit saga, any conjectures about the stay of a post Brexit UK are not useful.Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzTechrights: FINGERS OFF!!!Nov 07 10:43
schestowitzLucky LukeNov 07 10:43
schestowitzNOVEMBER 6, 2019 AT 7:38 AMNov 07 10:43
schestowitzHonestly, I do not see the BVerfG decide the UPC complaint ‘in the coming months’. They will sit back and watch how the Brexit saga turns out. Only if and when this is ultimately resolved (whenever that is and in whatever way), will they proceed with the case. Everything else would be asking for new trouble under constitutional law.Nov 07 10:43
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MSServices_info/status/1192406353966440448Nov 07 11:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MSServices_info: SUEPO Organises Hague Protest — Second EPO Protest in a Fortnight, Targeting the Portuguese Embassy in #TheHague |… https://t.co/vAnlJQXDnuNov 07 11:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MSServices_info: SUEPO Organises Hague Protest — Second EPO Protest in a Fortnight, Targeting the Portuguese Embassy in #TheHague |… https://t.co/vAnlJQXDnuNov 07 11:41
schestowitz"SUEPO Organises Hague Protest — Second EPO Protest in a Fortnight, Targeting the Portuguese Embassy in #TheHague | #patents #Octrooibureau #Rijskwijk #Nederland #Netherlands #DenHaag #Demonstratie #Demonstration #protest #politiek #Nieuws #Europe |  http://techrights.org/2019/11/05/suepo-organises-ha"Nov 07 11:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | SUEPO Organises Hague Protest — Second EPO Protest in a Fortnight, Targeting the Portuguese Embassy in The Hague | TechrightsNov 07 11:41
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@scousethief: @schestowitz @glynmoody Stop planting huge avacado and soya farms then.Nov 07 15:18
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/j082298/status/1192445476999749632Nov 07 15:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz They need to break up Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and all the others.Nov 07 15:21
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JohannaHM1: Smart article https://t.co/oJqZAyKbGVNov 07 15:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #impeachment ☞ Which Is Worse? Trying to Get Ukraine into #NATO or Trying to Use #Ukraine to Reelect Trump? https://t.co/q8wiI5TNBoNov 07 15:21
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SpacialK3: This is WHO we are❤️ https://t.co/sIYLEMdF7zNov 07 15:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● After Racist Attacks, Former Refugee Makes History as First Somali-American Elected to City Council in Lew… https://t.co/ymhamskLVPNov 07 15:23
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz Do you realize that the oligarchs are running around buying up ocean front property? They claim the ar… https://t.co/CVYcLbOxDoNov 07 15:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz Do you realize that the oligarchs are running around buying up ocean front property? They claim the ar… https://t.co/CVYcLbOxDoNov 07 15:25
acer-box"Do you realize that the oligarchs are running around buying up ocean front property? They claim the are concerned about the ocean rising but their actions reflect the opposite."Nov 07 15:25
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1192411066908782592Nov 07 15:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: Would they do that in Bangkok? https://t.co/Lm3SdgAXkPNov 07 15:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #Cambodia : Let Opposition Leaders Return https://t.co/oqgxYv9z1D "freely resume political activities" -… https://t.co/tO4Gh5FcnDNov 07 15:26
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acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1192406779562536960Nov 07 15:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: Getting their minds on their gonads is half the battle of exploitation. https://t.co/3kxz9660ITNov 07 15:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #panama ☞ Panamanians Protest Proposed Ban on #MarriageEquality https://t.co/vWCBIADxiW #hrw leverages the… https://t.co/7OdAlWTVncNov 07 15:27
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Mok1967SG/status/1192405074145927174Nov 07 15:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Mok1967SG: #TheResistance #StrongerTogether #VoteBlue #ImpeachTrump #ImpeachTheMF #MakeAmericaTrumplessAgain #BlueWave… https://t.co/KiEHWMT5VANov 07 15:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Mok1967SG: #TheResistance #StrongerTogether #VoteBlue #ImpeachTrump #ImpeachTheMF #MakeAmericaTrumplessAgain #BlueWave… https://t.co/KiEHWMT5VANov 07 15:27
acer-box"Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#TheResistance Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#StrongerTogether Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#VoteBlue Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#ImpeachTrump Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#ImpeachTheMF Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#MakeAmericaTrumplessAgain Nov 07 15:27
acer-box#BlueWaveNov 07 15:27
acer-boxThat is such a shame.... A MFin Office can do what he like, and a human being can`t live with all up and downs.Nov 07 15:27
acer-boxThat is typical for our hypocritical societyNov 07 15:27
acer-box"Nov 07 15:27
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/_midofo_/status/1192410569405431808Nov 07 15:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@_midofo_: Disappointed that this is like a *running race* Was arming up for the other type of *race* https://t.co/MGfiFr2C00Nov 07 15:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #5G Is Not A 'Race,' And We're Incapable Of Determining Winners Even If It Was https://t.co/Qx3E9T6MmvNov 07 15:29
acer-box"Disappointed that this is like a *running race* Was arming up for the other type of *race*"Nov 07 15:29
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Cryptarchy6/status/1192400758353866752Nov 07 15:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Cryptarchy6: @schestowitz Kill Bill Gates (with Ill Gill) by The Original High-C https://t.co/8egl501T56 #Linux #Apple… https://t.co/xJF2eFKPysNov 07 15:30
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Cryptarchy6: @schestowitz Kill Bill Gates (with Ill Gill) by The Original High-C https://t.co/8egl501T56 #Linux #Apple… https://t.co/xJF2eFKPysNov 07 15:30
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Cryptarchy6/status/1192400758353866752Nov 07 15:30
acer-box"Nov 07 15:31
acer-boxKill Bill Gates (with Ill Gill) by The Original High-C Nov 07 15:31
acer-boxhttps://soundcloud.com/the-original-high-c/kill-bill-gatesNov 07 15:31
acer-box#Linux #Apple #Microsoft #Amiga #BeOS #Atari #Commodore #Ubuntu #RedHat #Github #OpenSourceNov 07 15:31
acer-box"Nov 07 15:31
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1192394612654116866Nov 07 15:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Explained to my wife yesterday that proprietary software leads to eWaste.Nov 07 15:31
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/REDTREASURE/status/1192389294087974912Nov 07 15:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@REDTREASURE: I am inclined to totally agree with him along with literally millions of others https://t.co/jh0ml6MasNNov 07 15:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #microsoft crimes forgotten? ☞ Edward @Snowden says #Facebook , #Amazon and #Google engage in 'abuse' https://t.co/vMDri4SAifNov 07 15:32
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/crossedroo/status/1192372597876379648Nov 07 15:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@crossedroo: @schestowitz https://t.co/z5G1HmqBovNov 07 15:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@patcondell: The #EU is a model for a future global society - impossible to govern democratically - that would be run by a polit… https://t.co/AZAxwKxqTnNov 07 15:33
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1192371632913833990Nov 07 15:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: #bolsonaro is an environmental criminal https://t.co/SrrOeXMT19Nov 07 15:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #Environment ☞ #Brazil cancels ban on #sugarcane farming in #Amazon https://t.co/9ScTFo8YeRNov 07 15:33
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1192359956776833025Nov 07 15:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrobertson: Unless you are on the whitelist, you might be a criminal, so we need to treat you like one just to be on the safe s… https://t.co/SmHDzedYC5Nov 07 15:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrobertson: Unless you are on the whitelist, you might be a criminal, so we need to treat you like one just to be on the safe s… https://t.co/SmHDzedYC5Nov 07 15:34
acer-box"Unless you are on the whitelist, you might be a criminal, so we need to treat you like one just to be on the safe side, right? #enemyofthestate"Nov 07 15:34
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/j082298/status/1192323763548889088Nov 07 15:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz https://t.co/MiyAwSWsIENov 07 15:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Google is a Drug Company and Censors Health News Part 1 - YouTubeNov 07 15:35
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1192466405926592513Nov 07 16:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: PR ‘Innovation’: Bombarding the Media With Puff Pieces to Distract From EPO Staff Actions Against Corrupt Managemen… https://t.co/DOi1rmtQisNov 07 16:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: PR ‘Innovation’: Bombarding the Media With Puff Pieces to Distract From EPO Staff Actions Against Corrupt Managemen… https://t.co/DOi1rmtQisNov 07 16:07
acer-box"PR ‘Innovation’: Bombarding the Media With Puff Pieces to Distract From EPO Staff Actions Against Corrupt Management #patents #Europe #media"Nov 07 16:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1192481278592872448Nov 07 16:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeedNov 07 16:38
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schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9ogKxlMbnfNrHXAbw0Nov 07 17:35
schestowitz"oh cool there is such a channel. Joined."Nov 07 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:35
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9ogNJHiAvVLjb2eE7MNov 07 17:35
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:35
schestowitzNa, that would be responsible and fix an important security breachNov 07 17:35
schestowitzhttps://youtu.be/5c6AADI7Pb4Nov 07 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Wiretapping the Secret Service can be easy and fun | Bryan Seely | TEDxKirkland - YouTubeNov 07 17:35
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:35
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9ogs7Z75UxTCfgBycqNov 07 17:35
schestowitz"*cough* #Grenfell *cough*"Nov 07 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:35
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9ohMPFTIGJaBafvWpUNov 07 17:36
schestowitz"@schestowitz who tf uses bsd"Nov 07 17:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:36
schestowitz...on desktops...Nov 07 17:36
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9ohqLWvIQsqtBNATKqNov 07 17:36
schestowitz" github?"Nov 07 17:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:36
schestowitz#deleregithubNov 07 17:36
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9oi6bZBXOB3s67QvY0Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz@schestowitz Good day, sie! Didn’t know about this site until today, looks awesome, so thank you for this! However, I was surprised that you don’t use encryption. Just wanted to suggest to use TLS and forward http URLs to https. The reason I’m writing to YOU about this is that I was forwarded to your contact from tuxmachines’ contact page. If you need any advice, I would be happy to help! Have a great day!Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz#httpseverywhereNov 07 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:37
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:37
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9oiOUq305y8NXjNj6WNov 07 17:37
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:37
schestowitzz Meanwhile, 114 THOUSAND Reddit users upvoted a screencap of a guy delivering a Twitter-bitching 'sick burn' on how Trump can't advocate for his son's new book from his own personal twitter account (not @POTUS) because that's using public office for personal gain and thus illegal under 5 Code of Federal Regulations § 2635.702 - Use of public office for private gain.Nov 07 17:37
schestowitzAnd yet Obama recommended 86 books during his presidency: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/91208/86-books-barack-obama-has-recommended-during-his-presidencyNov 07 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:37
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mentalfloss.com | 86 Books Barack Obama Recommended During His Presidency | Mental FlossNov 07 17:37
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9oiX5MokX7rHEhe3IeNov 07 17:38
schestowitz"Wrong link ?Nov 07 17:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:38
schestowitzmaybe broken nowNov 07 17:39
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9oiZZiPT1BxenbPzXcNov 07 17:39
schestowitz" It's fantastic that our technological overlords are also Puritans."Nov 07 17:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:39
schestowitzhelps them get more business in particular countriesNov 07 17:39
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9oinwVxQscEgCL4SgqNov 07 17:40
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:40
schestowitz@schestowitz Nov 07 17:40
schestowitz"Let them eat cake"Nov 07 17:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:40
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:40
schestowitzBy cake they mean shitcakesNov 07 17:40
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9oj0RdcVdiioOEtLCSNov 07 17:40
schestowitz" i wish it actually were 25%, the fact that google has basically an undisputed monopoly on search is quite concerning"Nov 07 17:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaNov 07 17:40
schestowitzGoogle needs a challenge, but Microsoft is more evil in a lot of waysNov 07 17:41
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1038426744315039744?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1038426744315039744:0:0:0:1038426887354126336Nov 07 17:44
schestowitz"yeah... so?"Nov 07 17:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | UN rapporteur Nils Melzer warns: Julian Assange may die in a British prisonNov 07 17:44
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1038428267033792512?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1038428267033792512:0:0:0:1038435862229356544Nov 07 17:44
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:44
schestowitzIt’s 👌Nov 07 17:44
schestowitzJust sharing their culture.Nov 07 17:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Pirates kidnap 9 sailors from Norwegian shipNov 07 17:44
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:44
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1038469197362171904?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1038469197362171904:0:0:0:1038479964848640000Nov 07 17:45
schestowitz"I must have missed the 'trial and conviction part' of this...."Nov 07 17:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Columnist E. Jean Carroll, Who Accused Trump of Rape, FilesNov 07 17:45
schestowitzNow there may be oneNov 07 17:45
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1038666950449106944?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1038666950449106944:0:0:0:1038683512901079040Nov 07 17:46
schestowitz"good"Nov 07 17:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | SUEPO Organises Hague Protest -- Second EPO Protest in a Fortnight, Targeting the Portuguese Embassy in The HagueNov 07 17:47
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1038464231517065216?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1038464231517065216:0:0:0:1038485270467039232Nov 07 17:48
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:48
schestowitzTrump never prepared for the presidential-fakery we became accustomed to over successive administrations. Being 'presidential' has become a mythical construct based on immaginations, hiding the normal stuff going on behind the scenes. PopMedia wishes it could go back to its previous form of lazy-reporting, instead of the current form.more_vertNov 07 17:48
schestowitzthumb_upthumb_downreplyReplyNov 07 17:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Down the Rabbit Hole With Donald TrumpNov 07 17:48
schestowitz2d agoNov 07 17:48
schestowitzrainbowsallyNov 07 17:48
schestowitzTrade Wars, US v. China. and the winner is...Nov 07 17:48
schestowitzEurope.Nov 07 17:48
schestowitz"Nov 07 17:48
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1038736007945916416?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1038736007945916416:0:0:0:1038741576270352384Nov 07 17:49
schestowitz"Lame ass writing. This is simply an opportunity for some asshole thats one of the swamps buddies(I'd bet my share of the bank owned farm it's one of Piceoshit Pia's from his day's in the cellular executive world! This has nothing to do with security fears! hahahaha I mean WTF the republicans stall for HOW MANY YEARS to ensure the health care of 9/11 first responders yet they have no problem lying straight to our faces about boggus Nov 07 17:49
schestowitzboogeyman hiding in cell phone towers "near" domestic military bases if they were made by Huawei because well Chiana I guess???? Spend billions to ensure reelection but wont help the people! What the Fuck has happened to our government??? Aren't they supposed to work for us???? Fucking stupid!!!"Nov 07 17:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | FCC Wants to Know if Huawei Gear Is Near U.S. Military BasesNov 07 17:49
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1039043540873789440?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1039043540873789440:0:0:0:1039046467136626688Nov 07 17:50
schestowitz"It's the only game easier than Go Fish."Nov 07 17:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Ralph Nader: Boeing Is Playing Congress for FoolsNov 07 17:50
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1039127055210225664?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1039127055210225664:0:0:0:1039129299026989056Nov 07 17:51
schestowitz"because people draged in idea that democracy will work. and when it did not they tend to disbilieve. democracy is fake concept."Nov 07 17:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Why do countries with more democracy want less of it?Nov 07 17:51
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1039181684864024576?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1039181684864024576:0:0:0:1039181908309549056Nov 07 17:52
schestowitz"Im afraid they going to make that work. let's see"Nov 07 17:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Neoliberalism’s Children Rise Up to Demand Justice in Chile and theNov 07 17:52
schestowitzRe: let me know what you thinkNov 07 18:11
schestowitz> new page addedNov 07 18:11
schestowitzI saw that earlier. I was planning to link later tonight when it's done and when I finish work. :-) :-)Nov 07 18:11
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