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schestowitz> Ok, May 08 05:33
schestowitz> May 08 05:33
schestowitz> I'll respond to this asshole. May 08 05:33
schestowitzAs long as you don't use words like "asshole"May 08 05:33
schestowitzAlso see reply in:  https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1258441598670692352May 08 05:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: More interesting food for thought: Microsoft GNU-Hub (Part 2) https://t.co/lH4uf4BWzsMay 08 05:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft GNU-Hub (Part 2) | TechrightsMay 08 05:33
schestowitz> I went to the page he linked to as evidence that Perl is not based on Github. May 08 05:37
schestowitz> May 08 05:37
schestowitz> At the bottom of his own posted url, in the lower right corner, is a banner that says:May 08 05:37
schestowitz> May 08 05:37
schestowitz> "This website is a Beta release. For any issues please raise a ticket on GitHub."May 08 05:37
schestowitz> May 08 05:37
schestowitz> LOL.May 08 05:37
schestowitz> May 08 05:37
schestowitz> Now that I've explained in detail why I think (or why I know) Perl is based on Github, it's worth noting that he didn't even find "a Canonical url" for development. He simply found a place that Perl says you can get the source.May 08 05:37
schestowitz> May 08 05:37
schestowitz> If you go to their website and look for development on the other hand, you'll find the url for that-- on Github.May 08 05:37
schestowitzAs far as I knew for a long time, since the debate about the name Raku, no GitHub means no participation in development and decisions...May 08 05:37
schestowitz>> As long as you don't use words like "asshole"May 08 05:39
schestowitz> No, I write classier than that. Usually.May 08 05:39
schestowitzJust don't help the "TECHTRIGHTS IS TOO RUDE TO LINK TO" crowd....May 08 05:39
schestowitzIt would weaken the impact of the word we doMay 08 05:39
schestowitz*workMay 08 05:39
schestowitz> Part 3 is already written and sent. I don't think you'll find it rude at all.May 08 05:42
schestowitzI see it in my inbox and was just about to start working on it :-)May 08 05:42
schestowitz> There's going to be a part 4 and very possibly 5. Part 4 is going to be a lot, unless Tom throws something in.May 08 05:49
schestowitz> May 08 05:49
schestowitz> If he does, feel free to change the Part numbers. If you get his sooner than you get my Part 4, just bump mine to 5, etc.May 08 05:49
schestowitz> May 08 05:49
schestowitz> I'm afraid there is plenty more to report. Plenty more.May 08 05:49
schestowitzThose things have been read tens of thousands of times and are rightly causing resentment against GitHub, so keep up the good, factual work.May 08 05:49
schestowitzNote: I typed word instead of work earlier. My bad...May 08 05:49
schestowitzRe: GNU wgetMay 08 06:00
schestowitz> https://savannah.gnu.org/users/rockdabootMay 08 06:00
schestowitz> May 08 06:00
schestowitz> * The maintainer of GNU WgetMay 08 06:00
schestowitz> * Author of libPSL (Github) which is now in GNU WgetMay 08 06:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-savannah.gnu.org | People at Savannah: Tim Ruehsen Profile [Savannah]May 08 06:00
schestowitz> * "Author of GNU Wget2"? (unverified)May 08 06:00
schestowitz> * Added brotli compression (from Google's Github) in 2017May 08 06:00
schestowitz> * Added libzstd (from Facebook's Github) in October 2018May 08 06:01
schestowitz> Microsoft GNU-Hub (Part 3) is being worked onMay 08 06:02
schestowitz> May 08 06:02
schestowitz> part 4 now.May 08 06:02
schestowitzI am going to edit that shortly. Actually, edit might be the wrong thing as lately I've hardly had to change anything except layout. The English is very clear and clean. Very good.May 08 06:02
schestowitzRe: Microsoft doesn't control Github...May 08 06:04
schestowitz>> Signal...May 08 06:04
schestowitz>> "probably the most secure app on our list"May 08 06:04
schestowitz>> Source: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/video-call-apps/May 08 06:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-foundation.mozilla.org | Mozilla - *privacy not includedMay 08 06:04
schestowitz> yet controlled by microsoft-- #deletegithub <https://framasphere.org/tags/deletegithub>May 08 06:04
schestowitz> May 08 06:04
schestowitz> May 08 06:04
schestowitz>> Github may be part of Microsoft, however they are not controlled by them. There’s even non-microsoft software hosted on github that never got taken down or removed. Just takes a bit of looking to find it.May 08 06:04
schestowitz>     May 08 06:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-framasphere.org | #deletegithubMay 08 06:04
schestowitz> youre talking about a company that goes out of its way to control companies it doesnt own, and youre trying to tell me it doesnt control one it owns?May 08 06:04
schestowitz> May 08 06:04
schestowitz>> There’s even non-microsoft software hosted on github that never got taken down or removed.May 08 06:04
schestowitz> well yes, the general point of github is that it hosts software written by various parties. google has a github repo, apple has a github repo, facebook and amazon have github repos... even the gnu project (sadly) has some of its projects (bison, gnu radio) on github:May 08 06:04
schestowitz>  May 08 06:04
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2020/05/05/gnuhub-pt-2/May 08 06:04
schestowitzEven just the subject line is amusing..May 08 06:04
schestowitzTell me how the US came to Granada to spread freedom...May 08 06:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft GNU-Hub (Part 2) | TechrightsMay 08 06:04
schestowitz> My opinion is that the text+url format (particularly in the section on how it's determined that Perl is Github-based) is better off separate than combined, if/when links are made.May 08 06:26
schestowitz> May 08 06:26
schestowitz> I know it's a general practice to combine them, and as a general practice it makes sense. For that section, it actually reduces the usefulness of the data. It would be alright if you generally favoured not making active links for that section, even if it meant that you ignored that task for other parts of the article as well.May 08 06:26
schestowitzI suppose sending traffic to Microsoft (GH) would be detrimental either way. The URL alone can tell a story. More so than textual anchors...May 08 06:26
schestowitz <li>May 08 07:44
schestowitz                  <h5><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/05/06/windows-10-is-bleeding-users-while-ubuntu-linux-enjoys-an-astonishing-increase/">Windows 10 Bleeds Users While Ubuntu Linux Enjoys An Astonishing Increase</a></h5>May 08 07:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/05/06/windows-10-is-bleeding-users-while-ubuntu-linux-enjoys-an-astonishing-increase/%22%3EWindows/ )May 08 07:44
schestowitz                  <blockquote>May 08 07:44
schestowitz                    <p>Between the months of March and April 2020, Windows 7 saw a drop in user market share from 26.23 percent to 25.59 percent. That’s hardly surprising for a 10-year-old, unsupported OS as people finally upgrade to Windows 10. Right? Despite that conventional thinking, Microsoft’s Windows 10 actually experienced a rare drop in market share (down to 56.08 percent in April from its March 2020 share of 57.34 May 08 07:44
schestowitzpercent). Meanwhile, popular Linux distribution Ubuntu enjoyed an explosive increase. </p></blockquote></li>May 08 07:44
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schestowitz            <li>May 08 07:45
schestowitz              <h5><a href="https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2020/5/5-open-source-tools-it-leaders">5 open source tools IT leaders should know about now</a></h5>May 08 07:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2020/5/5-open-source-tools-it-leaders">5 )May 08 07:45
schestowitz              <blockquote>May 08 07:45
schestowitz                <p>As many people in IT know, new problems invent themselves every day. Luckily, the development of open source solutions is fast and furious (and maybe a little obsessive). Open source embraces the probability that if your organization is facing a problem, then chances are someone else is facing the same thing and has come up with a solution. We've rounded up five projects that answer universal problems that most ITMay 08 07:45
schestowitzteams encounter. </p></blockquote></li>May 08 07:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jess_schal/status/1258680637617090560May 08 10:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jess_schal: @richturn_ms @stautistic @schestowitz @zoobab He's not necessarily wrong though (and it's not really a big story).… https://t.co/PYjQa3ujI1May 08 10:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jess_schal: @richturn_ms @stautistic @schestowitz @zoobab He's not necessarily wrong though (and it's not really a big story).… https://t.co/PYjQa3ujI1May 08 10:07
schestowitz"May 08 10:07
schestowitzHe's not necessarily wrong though (and it's not really a big story).May 08 10:07
schestowitz"Only about 150,000 people worldwide use #WSL2"... Note the '2'. Of course there's not that many users. WSL2 currently requires downloading a prerelease version of Windows and manually changing the WSL version.May 08 10:07
schestowitz"May 08 10:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/samvittighed/status/1258679762605805569May 08 10:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samvittighed: @schestowitz Improve your trustworthiness by never quoting anyone without a link to the original (with context). T… https://t.co/YP8PBJ7blWMay 08 10:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samvittighed: @schestowitz Improve your trustworthiness by never quoting anyone without a link to the original (with context). T… https://t.co/YP8PBJ7blWMay 08 10:08
schestowitz"May 08 10:08
schestowitzImprove your trustworthiness by never quoting anyone without a link to the original (with context).May 08 10:08
schestowitzThis link has quotes from RMS and Bill Gates.May 08 10:08
schestowitz"May 08 10:09
schestowitzYou can look up those quotes to find the originalsMay 08 10:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/2Fflandro/status/1258661101769764865May 08 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@2Fflandro: @schestowitz Dig deeper. WTF is Cold Spring Harbour? Planned Parenthood? Gates' Father. Gates's Mother? IBM & The T… https://t.co/mM2bJHMON9May 08 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@2Fflandro: @schestowitz Dig deeper. WTF is Cold Spring Harbour? Planned Parenthood? Gates' Father. Gates's Mother? IBM & The T… https://t.co/mM2bJHMON9May 08 10:10
schestowitz"Dig deeper. WTF is Cold Spring Harbour? Planned Parenthood? Gates' Father. Gates's Mother? IBM & The Thomas Watson Foundation? Malthus.. Dalton... Secret Societies... The Hell Fire Club...Druids..."May 08 10:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/2Fflandro/status/1258654194661285888May 08 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@2Fflandro: @schestowitz Alex Jones is preparing a mini-documentary about the evil entity known as "Bill Gates". ETA is 5/13/20… https://t.co/nt64Do2ggTMay 08 10:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@2Fflandro: @schestowitz Alex Jones is preparing a mini-documentary about the evil entity known as "Bill Gates". ETA is 5/13/20… https://t.co/nt64Do2ggTMay 08 10:10
schestowitz"Alex Jones is preparing a mini-documentary about the evil entity known as "Bill Gates". ETA is 5/13/20 on:"May 08 10:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/eren_niazi/status/1258602947723751425May 08 10:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@eren_niazi: #OpenSource https://t.co/hRW1JIGNsQMay 08 10:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: When good press coverage is up for sale people's perception are up for grabs... for a fee. Look what over a billion… https://t.co/m4lxRQxZbQMay 08 10:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/richturn_ms/status/1258490076712992768May 08 10:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@richturn_ms: @schestowitz @stautistic @zoobab Kevin Gallo is already on record stating that WSL has more than 3.5M monthly activ… https://t.co/D8ioS5lU45May 08 10:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@richturn_ms: @schestowitz @stautistic @zoobab Kevin Gallo is already on record stating that WSL has more than 3.5M monthly activ… https://t.co/D8ioS5lU45May 08 10:13
schestowitz"Kevin Gallo is already on record stating that WSL has more than 3.5M monthly active users. And that was a year ago."May 08 10:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/j082298/status/1258474089418719232May 08 10:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz Science should not be a religion. Neither should be followed blindly. Nothing or anyone should be foll… https://t.co/qpikxPPiSrMay 08 10:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz Science should not be a religion. Neither should be followed blindly. Nothing or anyone should be foll… https://t.co/qpikxPPiSrMay 08 10:13
schestowitz"Science should not be a religion. Neither should be followed blindly. Nothing or anyone should be followed blindly. Everything and everyone should be questioned."May 08 10:13
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stmMay 08 10:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.bbc.co.uk | BBC NEWS | Technology | It's not the Gates, it's the barsMay 08 10:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/samvittighed/status/1258686887658651648May 08 10:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samvittighed: @schestowitz True. That, however, does not improve your trustworthiness. What you suggest is similar to 5G-Corona-… https://t.co/b3bl4DjwitMay 08 10:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samvittighed: @schestowitz True. That, however, does not improve your trustworthiness. What you suggest is similar to 5G-Corona-… https://t.co/b3bl4DjwitMay 08 10:16
schestowitz"May 08 10:16
schestowitzTrue. That, however, does not improve your trustworthiness.May 08 10:16
schestowitzWhat you suggest is similar to 5G-Corona-kooks who say: "Google it yourself".May 08 10:16
schestowitzSince you reuse many quotes, maybe link to wikiquote and add the missing quotes there?May 08 10:16
schestowitz"May 08 10:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jess_schal/status/1258680637617090560May 08 10:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jess_schal: @richturn_ms @stautistic @schestowitz @zoobab He's not necessarily wrong though (and it's not really a big story).… https://t.co/PYjQa3ujI1May 08 10:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jess_schal: @richturn_ms @stautistic @schestowitz @zoobab He's not necessarily wrong though (and it's not really a big story).… https://t.co/PYjQa3ujI1May 08 10:47
schestowitz"May 08 10:47
schestowitzHe's not necessarily wrong though (and it's not really a big story).May 08 10:47
schestowitz"Only about 150,000 people worldwide use #WSL2"... Note the '2'. Of course there's not that many users. WSL2 currently requires downloading a prerelease version of Windows and manually changing the WSL version.May 08 10:47
schestowitz"\May 08 10:47
schestowitzWSL is not even Linux. It's a misnomer.May 08 10:47
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oiaohmschestowitz: WSL2 does use a Linux kernel in a kind of hyperv instance.May 08 13:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/18061936May 08 15:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #commondreams #goldenDawnald ☞ Row Upon Row of Empty Shoes Outside #Trump #WhiteHouse as #Nurses Honor Covid-19's Frontline Victims https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/07/row-upon-row-empty-shoes-outside-trump-white-house-nurses-honor-covid-19s-frontline egocentric maniac made US an epidemic epicentre May 08 15:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.commondreams.org | Row Upon Row of Empty Shoes Outside Trump White House as Nurses Honor Covid-19's Frontline Victims | Common Dreams NewsMay 08 15:23
schestowitz"● NEWS ● #commondreams #goldenDawnald ☞ Row Upon Row of Empty Shoes Outside #Trump #WhiteHouse as #Nurses Honor Covid-19’s Frontline Victims https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/07/row-upon-row-empty-shoes-outside-trump-white-house-nurses-honor-covid-19s-frontline egocentric maniac made US an epidemic epicentre"May 08 15:23
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, that was my pointMay 08 15:23
schestowitzMy article was about wsl2May 08 15:24
schestowitz[15:13] <wsl-user> Could it be that you have absolutely no clue what you are writing about? May 08 15:24
schestowitzlolMay 08 15:24
schestowitzwsl user or dev?May 08 15:24
schestowitzI guess some MSFT staffMay 08 15:24
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