●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, May 08, 2022 ●● ● May 08 [06:34] *rianne has quit (connection closed) [06:34] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:34] *rianne (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-b0g.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:36] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:36] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:36] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-b0g.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:36] *rianne (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:49] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:49] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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My intention here is to start a conversation." [08:50] schestowitz-TR [02:04] marisol, marisol, does whatever a marisol does [08:50] schestowitz-TR [02:05] the legend of marisol would have made a highly amusing text adventure [08:50] schestowitz-TR [02:05] you must collect apple airbuds at some point in the game ● May 08 [09:35] schestowitz-TR Thanks for the links about FIDO [09:35] schestowitz-TR Brian Krebs covered that too [09:35] schestowitz-TR but I still cannot offer any good insights [09:35] schestowitz-TR I was thinking of doing a video about China's move to GNU/Linux [09:35] schestowitz-TR and then toss the Edge figures into the mix [09:35] schestowitz-TR any thoguhts? [09:35] schestowitz-TR I also did a plasma video last night [09:35] schestowitz-TR on some fronts the news is very slow, so I reckon advocacy has itsd place atm [09:35] schestowitz-TR [19:13] China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571 [09:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines [09:35] Techrights-sec `ack [09:35] Techrights-sec np [09:35] Techrights-sec has China made any successful moves in that direction? I know they have [09:35] Techrights-sec made protestations in that direction but figure they go not much further [09:35] Techrights-sec than Russia. [09:37] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: reconfiguring) [09:38] Techrights-sec "Intends to". Russia tried that three times, several years apart. Nothing [09:38] Techrights-sec happened except the third time, all those that knew computers got fired and [09:38] Techrights-sec M$ cemented its position in politics. At least back in 2010 that was [09:38] Techrights-sec then. [09:38] Techrights-sec ^fired and replaced with microsofters [09:39] schestowitz-TR [19:13] China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linu [09:39] schestowitz-TR x and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571 [09:39] schestowitz-TR say what you will, but moves are made after all. korea, china, turkey, russia, brazil. [09:39] schestowitz-TR many schools in TR (turkey) now use gnu and libreoffice [09:39] schestowitz-TR downplaying all this would notn help us [09:39] schestowitz-TR it would help bogdan poa at al mocking the whole thing [09:39] Techrights-sec https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redflag [09:39] Techrights-sec disontinued [09:39] Techrights-sec moves are good, it's just that the politics is far harder than most people [09:39] Techrights-sec are willing to admit [09:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Red Flag Linux [09:41] schestowitz-TR if at first you fail, keep trying [09:41] schestowitz-TR many of us never gave up [09:41] schestowitz-TR the desktop continues to be developed and few percentage in share of a very large share is still tens of millions, maybe so [09:41] schestowitz-TR on hundreds of millions [09:41] Techrights-sec BTW distowatch erroneously categorizes systemd as an init system [09:42] schestowitz-TR systemd is a lot of things [09:45] schestowitz-TR to borrow an analogy, many people thought we were idealists trying to stop UPC [09:45] schestowitz-TR and a decade later we're still at it [09:45] schestowitz-TR I think it's important that some sites don't play the defeatist "year of [09:45] schestowitz-TR desktop" canard [09:45] schestowitz-TR and we're consisteitnyly highlighted WHY this was happening [09:45] schestowitz-TR like Microsoft infiltrating Walmart to stop Linspire [09:45] schestowitz-TR among many other examples [09:45] schestowitz-TR which are still perfectly documented both in posts, wiki page, and leaked [09:45] schestowitz-TR docs ● May 08 [10:00] Techrights-sec correct, "year of the linux desktop" has been changed to a defeatist meme [10:00] Techrights-sec by microsoftes and, lately, with the help of useful idiots [10:00] Techrights-sec Not just Linspire but also Asus EEE was blocked; The GNU/Linux edition [10:00] Techrights-sec sold out almost immediately but M$ was able to get all over Aaus and [10:00] Techrights-sec prevent restocking of them and just get the Windoze edition to the stores. [10:00] Techrights-sec The latter had a very high return rate but the M$ beholden press [10:00] Techrights-sec spun that as if the GNU/Linux edition didn't sell (without mentioning [10:00] Techrights-sec that there were none to buy) and implied that the high return rate [10:00] Techrights-sec was for trhe GNU/Linux EEE devices rather than the reality of the [10:00] Techrights-sec high return rate for the WIndows EEE devices. [10:00] Techrights-sec All those details are lost, buried, or subjected to revisionist history, [10:00] Techrights-sec if you can find any coverage at all of M$ misdeeds against Asus. [10:00] schestowitz-TR when michael was chief of OSI he egged me on to cover those things [10:00] schestowitz-TR he was a TR reader [10:00] schestowitz-TR now we have an OSI run by a bunch of idiotcs who try to censor TR [10:04] schestowitz-TR I'm goine OTA [10:04] schestowitz-TR either way, now with Steam OS and various other things we clobber away at Windows [10:04] schestowitz-TR the bailouts do start to received more media scrutiny [10:04] schestowitz-TR Mirosoft is, at this stage, more like Pentagon 'asset' [10:04] schestowitz-TR I will also do another video on the Debian TM SLAPP [10:04] schestowitz-TR OTA ● May 08 [11:03] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@x5xnyejmhw2xk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:48] schestowitz-TR done 2 vids [11:48] schestowitz-TR draft [11:48] schestowitz-TR 2 drafts now [11:48] schestowitz-TR videos processing ● May 08 [12:11] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:48] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● May 08 [17:14] schestowitz-TR got another draftr in place [17:39] Techrights-sec checking [17:39] Techrights-sec a neo-colonialist plot to ensure the continuing dominance of Western nations.""" [17:39] Techrights-sec link would be good there [17:39] Techrights-sec is ushing lies about the UPC illegal or has the UPC become invalid / illegal itself? [17:39] Techrights-sec yes some reinforcement of that can be added into the article [17:39] schestowitz-TR lies CAN be a violation in the legal profession [17:39] schestowitz-TR I think they have commitments [17:39] schestowitz-TR and I think calling them out on it [17:39] schestowitz-TR helps to silence them [17:39] schestowitz-TR they don't want to get caught [17:39] schestowitz-TR I will add some sentence and chase the link [17:39] Techrights-sec thanks! [17:41] schestowitz I cannot find a link, similar one in page 81 in [17:41] schestowitz https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cEqgBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22+the+continuing+dominance+of+Western+nations.%22&source=bl&ots=L7omaXDc1L&sig=ACfU3U3-cnA-Kj2bvFDW3fp_3bNnSSnrKg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO27GFrND3AhXKYMAKHY5oDzIQ6AF6BAgCEAM [17:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-books.google.co.uk | The City in the Developing World - Robert B. Potter, Sally Lloyd-Evans - Google Books [17:41] Techrights-sec ack ● May 08 [18:07] schestowitz-TR I have tons of unhandled patent items [18:07] schestowitz-TR but would rather do articles [18:07] schestowitz-TR topics are scarce though [18:07] schestowitz-TR I'll think how to improve Planet some more [18:22] Techrights-sec ack [18:51] Techrights-sec nice [18:51] Techrights-sec so in 2 years it is 20 [18:53] schestowitz-TR Renewing tuaxmachines domain until 2027 when it turns 23! [18:53] schestowitz-TR in 25 months [18:53] schestowitz-TR we're still "leading" in some metrics [18:53] schestowitz-TR even if the site is not exceptionally well known [18:53] schestowitz-TR so far I got no output from the backup scripts [18:53] schestowitz-TR and I hope it just means the gz files are in good integrity [18:53] schestowitz-TR I've just added a TM user account for someone who peronally asked for one [18:53] schestowitz-TR maybe to add comments [18:53] Techrights-sec excellent [18:53] Techrights-sec though the account spam has been a problem for allowing automatic [18:53] Techrights-sec enrollment [18:55] schestowitz-TR this problem is not a unique [18:55] schestowitz-TR # of comments/# of spam [18:55] schestowitz-TR # of comments/stress of havign to moderate [18:55] schestowitz-TR this is why many news sites remove the comment sectio [18:55] schestowitz-TR it's letting people 'vandalise' a page without technical means, just oral or verbal means ● May 08 [19:03] Techrights-sec yes most sites have removed comments long ago :( [19:04] schestowitz-TR but not only do they "allow" FB and Twitter (outsourcing "mideration") [19:04] schestowitz-TR they also outsource themselves to that [19:04] schestowitz-TR with techrights you have to use rss [19:04] schestowitz-TR cannot follow new material through other means\ [19:04] schestowitz-TR except unofficial stuff [19:06] Techrights-sec the encouragement of social control media is misguided since few [19:06] Techrights-sec know or are willing to admit the amount of spin and filtering that [19:06] Techrights-sec goes on there. Maybe these issues will get raised via conflict with [19:06] Techrights-sec China's TikTok since that is the main one that is not under the same [19:06] Techrights-sec control as Twitter and FB [19:07] schestowitz-TR sorry for a dumb question, but does this tiktok thing (never saw it) [19:07] schestowitz-TR have a [19:07] schestowitz-TR business model? [19:07] schestowitz-TR I never heard of anyone "buying ads" there... [19:07] Techrights-sec that's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might have [19:07] Techrights-sec one beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might not [19:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@juwwzfaape776.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:09] schestowitz-TR twitter was hybrid: ads as "trending" and whatnot and ads marked as such [19:09] schestowitz-TR the former seems to be implicitly broken down into "paid trends", [19:09] schestowitz-TR "government d-notice-like bias", and maybe some legit thing thrown in the mix [19:09] schestowitz-TR but who he heck knows... [19:10] Techrights-sec that's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might have [19:10] Techrights-sec one beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might not [19:10] Techrights-sec ads are still secondary in twitter, the mainpulation of opinion seems [19:10] Techrights-sec top priority there [19:10] Techrights-sec https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/ [19:10] Techrights-sec https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-eileen-gu-winter-olympics-technology-business-12de242ee53092693c0711b932c1da5c [19:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.washingtonpost.com | TikTok's Russia strategy: Censorship, loopholes and propaganda - The Washington Post [19:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apnews.com | How China's TikTok, Facebook influencers push propaganda | AP News [19:12] schestowitz-TR the web became a battleground of ideas [19:12] schestowitz-TR and of corporations too, of course... [19:12] schestowitz-TR but the latter control and have a stake in the battle [19:12] schestowitz-TR so they shape the web to win their "ideas".... [19:12] schestowitz-TR that alone makes the web unhealthy not just to people but to markets [19:13] Techrights-sec not so much a battleground of ideas but a battleground of disinformation [19:13] Techrights-sec versus, well, just about anything [19:16] schestowitz-TR disinformation is the 'doping' [19:16] schestowitz-TR when you cannot win, you reesort to cheating [19:16] schestowitz-TR if you lack morals [19:16] schestowitz-TR but based on what I see in my companies honesty is not how one gets pporomoted and rewarded [19:16] schestowitz-TR hosentl;y is too "slow"... not "effective" when all one cares about is "winning" (by 'dopinn') [19:16] schestowitz-TR so you end up working for a bunch of dopes [19:16] schestowitz-TR I always get this stare or shocked response when highliught to them [19:16] schestowitz-TR 1) that a statement we made was false [19:16] schestowitz-TR 2) we are not actually ISO compliant [19:16] schestowitz-TR or anythiung that somehow challenged the lies nobody is supported [19:16] schestowitz-TR to poke with a stick [19:17] Techrights-sec yes [19:17] Techrights-sec business culture tends to not just encourage but idolize lying :( [19:17] Techrights-sec those that have skills are seen as a threat by the liars and eventually [19:17] Techrights-sec driven out [19:24] Techrights-sec On a discussion forum recently someone commented, with several examples, [19:24] Techrights-sec how liars are always a threat within a company and over time end up [19:24] Techrights-sec taking over from the compentent people, reaching a tipping point afterwhich [19:24] Techrights-sec the skilled people have no peers or insufficient peers to have incentive [19:24] Techrights-sec to stay on. Steve Jobs said something to the effect of A players [19:24] Techrights-sec hiring other A players but B players hire C players, who in turn hire D, etc [19:26] schestowitz-TR seems to be ruining ours [19:26] schestowitz-TR here, the tipping point was already years ago [19:26] schestowitz-TR but the job stayed rather easy [19:26] schestowitz-TR those are the ones who stayed onboard [19:26] schestowitz-TR if you try hard to push them, they would leave [19:26] schestowitz-TR we are 50% of those people [19:27] Techrights-sec it is said to happen eventually in all companies; too bad the government [19:27] Techrights-sec or public does not pull the plug on companies once they turn bad [19:27] schestowitz-TR in EFF the B players also oust A players (John) [19:28] Techrights-sec Yes, that is the common theme in all "reality" tv shows, the shows [19:28] Techrights-sec which train the public to act that way [19:28] Techrights-sec the world culture, at least in the west, is 1) identify the strong players [19:28] Techrights-sec 2) form alliances to remove them at the earliest opporunity 3) squabble [19:28] Techrights-sec internally afterwards [19:29] schestowitz-TR I wish I could say out death spiral was around the same Jeff Epstein's BFF landed a little bribe [19:29] schestowitz-TR but it predates that somewhat [19:29] schestowitz-TR so you could not honestly say such a thing [19:30] Techrights-sec I'm still curious what is behind that NDA. It seems the troubles there [19:30] Techrights-sec manifested around then or at least that is the perception from outside. [19:33] schestowitz-TR no, we took the train down to sign a new contract with a new shell [19:33] schestowitz-TR months before the MIR expose [19:33] schestowitz-TR *MIT [19:33] schestowitz-TR Signing = around June 2019 [19:33] schestowitz-TR August 019 press reports on MIT [19:33] schestowitz-TR Oct 2019 NDA mentioned [19:33] schestowitz-TR the BFF is ther FIRST US client [19:33] schestowitz-TR I kid you not [19:33] schestowitz-TR SarinGas was already in the company by then [19:33] schestowitz-TR annying not only us but also colleagues [19:33] schestowitz-TR so a hypothetial if not creative timeline would be difficult tom prove [19:33] schestowitz-TR like they say, "if you set up this shelkl, we'll become first company.. [19:33] schestowitz-TR blah blah... [19:34] Techrights-sec The troubles allowed the NDA to be acceptable and left the company [19:34] Techrights-sec open for contact from bill's minions [19:34] Techrights-sec I think it is unrelated to MIT etc but targeted for other reasons [19:34] Techrights-sec Yeah like those hockey stick growth charts which have only two real [19:34] Techrights-sec data points in a flat line and the expontential growth 10 years in [19:34] Techrights-sec the future... [19:35] schestowitz-TR \ [19:35] schestowitz-TR (me avoids conspiratiroal thinking like me avoids covid) [19:35] schestowitz-TR if there was some "Grand Plan" to oust us, it would not take years to "pull the trigger" [19:35] schestowitz-TR so I rule that out and move on [19:37] Techrights-sec m$ always looks for companies to crush, they'll go out of their way [19:37] Techrights-sec to do so [19:37] Techrights-sec not to oust any specific staff, though certainly they have tried that too, [19:37] Techrights-sec but just to weaken or destroy the company -- because they can [19:41] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [19:41] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [19:41] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [19:41] schestowitz-TR the company was already in a weak position at the time [19:41] schestowitz-TR but it became more unpleasant [19:41] schestowitz-TR that was also the time we started adopting clown shits [19:41] schestowitz-TR with growing pressure for me to follow [19:41] schestowitz-TR after I had refused [19:41] schestowitz-TR specifically, also in that June 2019 meeting [19:41] schestowitz-TR you would assume by then the "BFF" was already in contact [19:41] schestowitz-TR as 4 months later the NDA was mentioned [19:41] schestowitz-TR "BFF" as first "US client" [19:41] schestowitz-TR I asked a colleague what this whole US thing was about [19:41] schestowitz-TR she would not even answer the qyestiuon [19:41] schestowitz-TR she made up a fictional questions [19:41] schestowitz-TR and then answered it [19:41] schestowitz-TR we suspect the setting up of the new shell was a ploy to ofset employer liabilities [19:41] schestowitz-TR like back to zero [19:41] schestowitz-TR but not for pension reasons or compensation [19:41] schestowitz-TR rather, the now-divorced wife was a director/board in the old company [19:41] schestowitz-TR so it was a ploy to get her off the sheet [19:41] schestowitz-TR and then flee the country [19:41] schestowitz-TR that's my theory [19:41] schestowitz-TR after that we've barely had any direct communications [19:42] schestowitz-TR (I am OK with all thie being public) [19:42] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-tqb26p.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [19:42] schestowitz-TR (of course old email trails could easily and quikckly illuminate what had actually [19:42] schestowitz-TR happened and when [19:42] schestowitz-TR and how much money was at stake with that NDA) [19:45] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:52] Techrights-sec ack [19:59] schestowitz-TR just been upstairs explaining the order of events [19:59] schestowitz-TR rianne thinkks it is not implausable [19:59] schestowitz-TR but she too says proof is needed [19:59] schestowitz-TR I guess enough was done to deny and obfuscate anything up to now [19:59] schestowitz-TR as a "professional job" would... 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