●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, August 08, 2022 ●● ● Aug 08 [00:08] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Aug 08 [04:19] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 08 [07:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:27] Techrights-sec fixed broken permissions in /home/links/ipfs/ and /home/links/ on tr-new [07:27] Techrights-sec can log in again now [07:27] Techrights-sec just got the upload working after diagnosing the permissions [07:27] Techrights-sec I'll aim the IPFS script at the new location next [07:27] schestowitz-TR thanks! [07:27] schestowitz-TR did the file there work ok? for not I run this manually, I still want to make enhancements tot eh scripts [07:27] schestowitz-TR the location is the same, only hostname changed [07:37] Techrights-sec checking [07:37] Techrights-sec The table for today is missing: [07:37] Techrights-sec cat: /home/links/ipfs/220808.html: No such file or directory [07:37] Techrights-sec from tr-new [07:37] Techrights-sec never mind, those would be present tomorrow, 220807.html /is/ present as it [07:37] Techrights-sec is supposed to be [07:37] Techrights-sec the script works :) [07:41] schestowitz-TR great! sorry, on shift atm, response time uncertain [07:41] schestowitz-TR this afternoon I'll get spares for backup [07:41] schestowitz-TR news will be slow the whole month, I think (as you put it, it goes down in holidays, never to resume afterwards... varghese ia MIA) [07:41] schestowitz-TR so we can continue with site work [07:41] schestowitz-TR debian develops... LEGAL strategy [07:41] schestowitz-TR we can hlp by promotion of just mention of alpine, devuan and others [07:41] schestowitz-TR let Microsoft die with systemd [07:41] schestowitz-TR the red hat staff is already fleeing regardless [07:41] schestowitz-TR systemd =- Windows Vista [07:41] schestowitz-TR big and unwanted, I hope [07:41] schestowitz-TR people already mock larabel in phoronix comments for repeatedly declaring the death of X for like 5+ years [07:41] schestowitz-TR and where's wayland now? [07:42] Techrights-sec np [07:42] Techrights-sec yep that's how it has looked for years [07:42] Techrights-sec debian is no longer even pretending to be valuable any more, even though [07:42] Techrights-sec it still is upstream from hundreds of distros. PeppermintOS moved to Devuan [07:42] Techrights-sec one can only hope that hundreds more follow in short order. [07:42] schestowitz-TR if peppermint does OK, others will be less sceptical of that choice [07:43] Techrights-sec wayland was too important to be allowed to survive. :/ [07:43] Techrights-sec downloading now, it will go on the alternate laptop for a while to give it a [07:43] Techrights-sec spin [07:45] schestowitz-TR be sure to get the devuan-based ISO, I think there are two [07:45] schestowitz-TR next, LMDE should based on Devuan (for the same reason LM rejects SNAPS) [07:45] schestowitz-TR or based on both Debian and Devuan [07:45] Techrights-sec yes, there are two 64-bit versions one on Devuan the other on the legacy distro [07:45] Techrights-sec . [07:46] schestowitz-TR slax moved back to slackware, after being based on debian for years [07:46] schestowitz-TR that happened last week [07:48] Techrights-sec nice [07:50] schestowitz-TR patrick needs more users [07:50] schestowitz-TR his distro is more 'traditionalist' [07:50] schestowitz-TR they have chromium without gulag (I forgot the name (ungoogled something with a black logo) [07:50] schestowitz-TR so in theory users ca get most "things" done on slackware [07:50] schestowitz-TR nowadays the browser does a lot of stuff [07:50] schestowitz-TR not that I endorse it, we have idiots who mistake sites for software [07:50] schestowitz-TR (at work) [07:50] Techrights-sec it's nice but can be difficult to install [07:51] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure that ius still true, and its derivatives are just plain ISOs, not slckware-live [07:51] schestowitz-TR if they have a recent kernel, then I guess most things work OK once installed [07:51] schestowitz-TR calculatelinux for example [07:53] schestowitz-TR with stuff like jetson or banana or mango or raspberry better to use "official", custome-made distros [07:53] schestowitz-TR fedora is now hoping to make one for the pi [07:53] schestowitz-TR but fedora 'community' languishes [07:53] schestowitz-TR and I put in TM a rant about it last night ● Aug 08 [08:06] Techrights-sec ack [08:09] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:37] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@x6gnqyt8r46u8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 08 [09:29] schestowitz-TR Worst July on Record (Since COVID-19 Started), But No Weekly NHS Report on COVID-19 and Overall/Excess Mortality for Over a Month Already https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/08/covid-blackout/ [09:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Worst July on Record (Since COVID-19 Started), But No Weekly NHS Report on COVID-19 and Overall/Excess Mortality for Over a Month Already [09:30] Techrights-sec ack [09:30] schestowitz-TR problem solved [09:30] schestowitz-TR move on, peasants [09:31] Techrights-sec ack [09:31] Techrights-sec "let the bodies pile up" [09:35] schestowitz-TR 4000 pensioners a month [09:35] schestowitz-TR pension @ 20k x 10 more years x 4000 = (grabs kcalc) [09:35] schestowitz-TR 800 million pounds saved a month [09:35] schestowitz-TR for pension companies [09:35] schestowitz-TR for 200k+ dead Brits, assuming life shortened by 10 years [09:35] schestowitz-TR that's 50 billion [09:35] schestowitz-TR our natioaal debt is about 2400 [09:36] Techrights-sec yep, there are a lot of incentives to let the pandemic roll [09:36] Techrights-sec uninhibited. However, the permanent damage to the young will have higher [09:36] Techrights-sec costs in the long run. [09:36] Techrights-sec it's complex there too, the /debt/ itself is the currency nowadays [09:37] schestowitz-TR you said this months ago. weeks ago I saw an article that I'd stumbled upon saying something similar. [09:37] schestowitz-TR but debt is not the currency of everyone, just the majority, e.g. mortgage takers [09:37] schestowitz-TR undertakers [09:37] schestowitz-TR mort [09:39] Techrights-sec it is the currency of the banskters which own the world's various governments [09:43] schestowitz-TR "how I learned to stop worrying and love the virus" [09:43] schestowitz-TR football resumed Saturday, we'll soon see a wave (not Mexican) [09:43] schestowitz-TR hard to research figures: what ratio of savers' money and loans in each bank [09:43] schestowitz-TR e.g. we have 10,000 customers with total of 1 billion in savings and we gave mortgages for homes with a total "value" of 10 billion [09:43] schestowitz-TR you know what happens when the bubble implodes, houise pries crash, people default on the mortgage, and suddenly the bank goes under for as little as 10% [09:43] schestowitz-TR price deflation [09:43] schestowitz-TR there is a scheme here for "securing" the savbings of only 85,000 max per person [09:43] schestowitz-TR after the events of 2008 [09:43] schestowitz-TR it used to be 65,000 iirc, in 14 years it increased only to 85 [09:43] schestowitz-TR so savers would be wise to split the savers across relatives [09:43] schestowitz-TR iow, even your savings at the bank aren't safe [09:43] schestowitz-TR you're "safe" (government says) for up to that amount [09:43] schestowitz-TR the rules are probably different in panana and cayman islend [09:48] schestowitz-TR days ago I read (michael west... now AAP :/) that our finance minister now predicts 13% inflation [09:48] schestowitz-TR whereas banks only give an interest of like 2-3% AT BEST, if you lock it down [09:48] schestowitz-TR we can only try to 'cheat' the system with discounted foods, efficient energy use, no travel etc. [09:48] schestowitz-TR people's salaries have, in effect, decreased by a lot this past year [09:49] schestowitz-TR magnified two or threefold if they have dependants [09:49] schestowitz-TR this! is! not! a joke! not a drill, either. [09:49] schestowitz-TR itf it worsens for 2-3 more years, prices can be up by like 50% [09:49] schestowitz-TR or salaries effecttively reduceed by that much, IF you still have a job at all [09:49] schestowitz-TR cumulative multipliers [09:49] schestowitz-TR otoh, I predict dissent will increase, new laws be passed to ban the most banal things [09:49] schestowitz-TR and social control experiments be introduced [09:49] schestowitz-TR like putting microphones in people's homes "for free" [09:51] Techrights-sec ack [09:51] Techrights-sec as usual it is all about concentrating wealth [09:51] Techrights-sec social control media will be used further to spin and deceive [09:54] schestowitz-TR china saw seeds of discontent over 996 (9am-9pm, 6 days) and low salaries [09:54] schestowitz-TR so the regime just responded with repressive measures, not fairer distribution of capital [09:54] schestowitz-TR now with capitalism in most countries on the brink they show they're no better than china, [09:54] schestowitz-TR except when they could afford to be better [09:54] schestowitz-TR and journalism is dried up by capitalist means (defunding it) [09:54] schestowitz-TR in michael west yestyerday I saw the usual BS about fictional "unemployment" figures [09:54] schestowitz-TR reminded me of truthdig when the lady ruined it and had a massive fued with scheer [09:54] schestowitz-TR I predict we'll see enhanced attempts to associatre dissent with "reptilians" and "gay frogs" [09:54] schestowitz-TR I saw those straw man cards played re gates this past weekend [09:54] schestowitz-TR the context being monkeypox [09:54] schestowitz-TR sooner or later just pointing out the patent issues about vaccines or lack of clinical trials [09:54] schestowitz-TR gets luimped in with "gay frogs" and/or pepe the frog (bigots) [09:54] schestowitz-TR "national security" threat [09:55] Techrights-sec yes, like with the 5G, like flipping a switch the debate went from /if/ [09:55] Techrights-sec 5G should be rolled out to a fight over /who/ should roll it out [09:55] Techrights-sec or patent issues in general :/ ● Aug 08 [10:00] schestowitz-TR kaniini got suspended by twitter for (obviously) making a funny joke about 5g [10:00] schestowitz-TR was forced to delete sarcastic remark, which was basically mocking cranks [10:00] schestowitz-TR this is where our society is heading [10:00] schestowitz-TR not to mention debian.coimmunity was not disowned but RE-owned [10:00] schestowitz-TR so now SPI cabal (Microsoft, Lenovo, Google) will use the domain to spread some lies) [10:00] schestowitz-TR reminds of of force confession in tehran and beijing [10:00] schestowitz-TR where they use the opposition's own mouth (torture/threats/blackmail) to parrot pro-regime [10:00] schestowitz-TR talking points [10:00] schestowitz-TR with prenning, they made the force apologyu spiel and then 'forced' talk about diversity [10:00] schestowitz-TR like conditions for "acceptnace" or "return" [10:00] schestowitz-TR wioth Torvalds we saw that at end of 1018 [10:00] schestowitz-TR 2018 [10:00] schestowitz-TR a badge of endormeent for "not being rude" to people whose code is utter shit [10:02] Techrights-sec which itself is a lie, he was never rude about people, rather being [10:02] Techrights-sec unambiguous about the code; people are not code and yet the press parroted lies [10:02] Techrights-sec about his criticism being about people; [10:24] Techrights-sec they succeeded in making it about individuals rather than their code [10:24] Techrights-sec and it seems to be a functional vehicle for infecting the project with shit code [10:27] schestowitz-TR imagine if Lannart was a black lesbian and not a younf person who fits the profile of genocidal nazi [10:27] schestowitz-TR 1 hours ago I scanned rianne's main latpop [10:27] schestowitz-TR it runs Debian 10 on 4GB of RAM [10:27] schestowitz-TR it can become slow for several reasons [10:27] schestowitz-TR I scanned which processes were running I disabled snapd [10:27] schestowitz-TR rianne added it to install something [10:27] schestowitz-TR but it keeps running as a background process [10:27] schestowitz-TR imagine that [10:27] schestowitz-TR like apt taking up 10-20MB in the backgroung all the time [10:27] schestowitz-TR or yum/dnf [10:27] schestowitz-TR anyay, I went through the list of processes [10:27] schestowitz-TR so much systemd shit [10:27] schestowitz-TR not the init [10:27] schestowitz-TR all those other programs from the same brand/unbrella [10:27] schestowitz-TR now they're effectively controlled not just by SM GitHub [10:27] schestowitz-TR but a full-time Microsoft employee [10:36] Techrights-sec snap is garbage, like flatpak. IMHO a bad design and pehpaps only a means [10:36] Techrights-sec to inject proprietary junk into the system. [10:37] schestowitz-TR I think they recognise that decades of no real CS education means more devs who can throw [10:37] schestowitz-TR and glue shit together cannot properly package it [10:37] schestowitz-TR so they blobify it like Android does, I don't know how apk are compared to deb or to "snaps" [10:37] schestowitz-TR or how "google play" compared to flathub etc. [10:37] schestowitz-TR but they're all resulting in very insecure stuff because you have many of the same code (binarieS) [10:37] schestowitz-TR scattered all over the prtice and it's also a waste of disk space (storage got cheap) [10:37] schestowitz-TR and it means performance tool, i.e. more ewaste [10:37] schestowitz-TR *toll [10:37] schestowitz-TR soon enough they'll just say we need a whole new OS or VM for each "app" [10:37] schestowitz-TR or argue that web browser is enough of a sandbox [10:37] schestowitz-TR or tell us the browser is the OS. oh, wait... [10:37] schestowitz-TR with chromeOS, you don't have programs, you have a program [10:37] schestowitz-TR all the stuff yoiu run is contrlled at binary level --set aside the spying - by the "masters" [10:37] schestowitz-TR they can even taoilor a binary just for you for a session [10:37] schestowitz-TR like "google maps" taoiled to a "person of interest" without any way to verify the integrity of the binaries [10:40] schestowitz-TR with flatpack, proprieetary and free are indistinguishable [10:40] schestowitz-TR hard-linking and self-containment for blob [10:40] schestowitz-TR in the past, space and b/w were factors, so you needed to reuse [10:40] schestowitz-TR and that meant better patch management too [10:40] schestowitz-TR now any little brtowser update means my connection is clogged up while it gets like 200MB of "Stuff" [10:40] schestowitz-TR maybe to patch some WIndows hole with a single line oe code. so I can be "up to date" with version [10:40] schestowitz-TR SAME.SAME.X+ [10:40] schestowitz-TR with 'webapps', it's even worse [10:40] schestowitz-TR it's like a kiosk [10:40] schestowitz-TR you cannot even delete the binaries you use [10:40] schestowitz-TR or the data those binaries make [10:43] Techrights-sec m$, and bill in particular, killed CS globally [10:43] Techrights-sec I haven't had time to investigate apk vs apt [10:43] Techrights-sec yes and there was some bullshit about trying to force the package developers [10:43] Techrights-sec into doing the packaging; packaging is for the distros, but my guess is taht [10:43] Techrights-sec there are fewer hands every quarter as those with the skill retire or die [10:43] Techrights-sec and are not replaced at a sustainable rate; the only way to get the prerequisite [10:43] Techrights-sec skill is to *avoid* current CS programmes yet teach oneself not just programming [10:43] Techrights-sec but the theory that used to be taught in previous generation's CS programmes [10:43] Techrights-sec yep [10:43] Techrights-sec the hardlinking facilitates the inclusion of proprietary payloads [10:43] Techrights-sec it also means that if you have n packages which depend on library x then [10:43] Techrights-sec when x needs to be updated you have to update all reverse dependencies [10:44] schestowitz-TR that offloads costs [10:44] schestowitz-TR we know how corporationsd value "efficiencies" [10:44] schestowitz-TR earlier on today rianne and I were discussing what it means to ask for assistance at the shop, inc. at the till [10:44] schestowitz-TR Mark Shuttleworth herded many thousands of slaves between 2004 to around 2014 [10:44] Techrights-sec ack [10:46] schestowitz-TR while at the same time making back room deals with Microsoft, which obviously put off volunteers [10:46] schestowitz-TR codecs around 2007 and later azure and wsl [10:46] schestowitz-TR pocock did write what it meant to be a volunteer, then discarded at the earliest inconvenient, blackmailed a bit (conditions) [10:46] schestowitz-TR and then demonised as a madman [10:50] schestowitz-TR WordPress used to be hundreds of coders who played with WP and B2 and coordinated support, code, mailing lists etc. [10:50] schestowitz-TR and blogged about it [10:50] schestowitz-TR when that became a company it started to revolve more around "SEO" frauds and dodgy extensions, "ecosystem", "clowns"... [10:50] schestowitz-TR and so a lot of the fun was gone [10:50] schestowitz-TR sort of like Linux (kernel) [10:50] schestowitz-TR You'd have to be insane to be a Con Kolivas in 2022 [10:50] schestowitz-TR it's infesible and they don't give a shit about your code because of your email domain suffix [10:50] schestowitz-TR "buy a seat from Jim and Sheela Microsoft, then come back to us.." [10:50] schestowitz-TR last week it turned out Microsoft now tells Linux what things to remove, e.g. DEC [10:50] schestowitz-TR like they're bossing the whole project now [10:59] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 08 [11:28] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 08 [13:45] *divya (~divya@7mv6q9ti85itw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 08 [14:30] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:35] schestowitz-TR back home [14:35] schestowitz-TR getting harde to find discount [14:35] Techrights-sec a little pricey [14:35] schestowitz-TR got 32gb usb for 9 pounds [14:35] schestowitz-TR waiting for links, a supplementary set for now [14:43] schestowitz-TR I updated two cripts [14:43] schestowitz-TR all I had to do was add the subdomains as you migrated it very transparently [14:43] schestowitz-TR nice [14:43] Techrights-sec checking [14:48] Techrights-sec excellent [14:48] Techrights-sec I'm relieved that it went smoothly [14:48] schestowitz-TR not pushing the changes to git as the address techrights.org will one day be linked to that same ip anyway [14:49] Techrights-sec ok ● Aug 08 [15:14] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[15:14] *divya has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:21] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:21] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 08 [16:13] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@c53pwstuh4ibn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:34] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Aug 08 [17:17] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:45] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:50] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:58] Techrights-sec Windows has not just backdoors, but also "bugdoors" [17:58] Techrights-sec -- bugs that they are slow to fix because various agencies are using them [17:58] Techrights-sec for access ● Aug 08 [18:09] schestowitz-TR for the first time in over a week, I think, I had to stop a high load at tm-old [18:09] schestowitz-TR those sorts of issues will be a thing of the past after the migration [18:20] Techrights-sec ack [18:21] schestowitz-TR regardless of intent, the net effect of bug doors and back doors is the same [18:21] schestowitz-TR and when the vendor refuses to patch a publicly kknown issue (not just nsa/cisa/microsoft) [18:21] schestowitz-TR it's even worse as they willingly open you to attack by anybody, not only themselves as agencies [18:25] schestowitz-TR NIST works for NSA (i.e. back doors) agenda, and this is what NSA Bruce has to say on the topic https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/nists-post-quantum-cryptography-standards.html [18:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-NISTs Post-Quantum Cryptography Standards - Schneier on Security [18:25] schestowitz-TR In some sense NIST is worse than NSA because you know what NSA strives to do but EXPECT better from NIST [18:26] schestowitz-TR Expecting secure crypto from the US regime is like expecting women's rights from Tehran [18:27] Techrights-sec ack [18:27] Techrights-sec though with bug doors there is a modicum of plausible deniability and they [18:27] Techrights-sec can kind of truthfull claim that it's not an intentional back door even [18:27] Techrights-sec if the patching itself has been intentionally postponed or neglected in order [18:27] Techrights-sec to extend access to those in the know [18:27] Techrights-sec ack [18:27] Techrights-sec though with bug doors there is a modicum of plausible deniability and they [18:27] Techrights-sec can kind of truthfull claim that it's not an intentional back door even [18:27] Techrights-sec if the patching itself has been intentionally postponed or neglected in order [18:27] Techrights-sec to extend access to those in the know ● Aug 08 [19:00] schestowitz-TR Is an economy with 1000 companies in debt better than an economy with 100 companies in debt, even if call them "successful" loss-making firms? [19:01] Techrights-sec "successful" bankruptcy [19:03] schestowitz-TR debt companies (loans) apparently tell people it's better to borrow than now to borrow because being in debt is "good for your credit" [19:03] schestowitz-TR based on the BS logic that if you had debt before, than you are more trustworthy [19:03] schestowitz-TR I mocked this endlessly when rianne told me people had told her that [19:03] schestowitz-TR sounds like banksters' propaganda [19:03] schestowitz-TR come on, borrow money, it's GOOD for you [19:03] schestowitz-TR living within one's means? You're doomed!! [19:03] schestowitz-TR "scucessful" bankruptcy = we didn't pay any of the workers we laid off and the lenders turned to government, not to us, for help [19:14] Techrights-sec ack [19:15] schestowitz-TR "being" just 'a bit' in debt is OK, I can pay that back anytime I want to = i'm not addicted, I can quit anytime [19:15] schestowitz-TR I think in the US maxing up not one but several credit cards is a national sport of sorts... [19:15] schestowitz-TR to the point you can have a powwow with mates about how you\re "managing your creddit" [19:15] schestowitz-TR and what worthless junk you bought to keep up with "friends" [19:17] Techrights-sec could be [19:17] Techrights-sec if you max out one, then other companies tend to send additional, pre-approved [19:17] Techrights-sec cards [19:17] Techrights-sec sometimes they come in fast enough that you can kind of pay off parts of the old [19:17] Techrights-sec ones with the new ones and within a few years accumulated more than a lifetime [19:17] Techrights-sec of debt with no chance out except for a 'successful' bankruptcy [19:17] Techrights-sec the people who do that tend not to do better afterwards afaik [19:21] Techrights-sec the Peppermint OS Devuan torrent is seeding quite a bit: there is a lot of [19:21] Techrights-sec interest apparently, though perhaps because it is a new release [19:21] Techrights-sec Mint and the others are just idling and not seeding [19:21] Techrights-sec ... from here at least [19:25] schestowitz-TR 1) which version [19:25] schestowitz-TR 2) which DE? [19:25] Techrights-sec https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25775-we-buy-things-we-don-t-need-with-money-we-don-t [19:25] Techrights-sec Peppermint OS Devuan 64-bit, the installer seemed to offer a choice from [19:25] Techrights-sec several desktop environments, if I was paying attention properly [19:25] Techrights-sec https://peppermintos.com/guide/downloading/ [19:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Dave Ramsey: We buy things we don't need with money we don't... [19:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-peppermintos.com | 1. Download and Install Peppermint OS [19:26] schestowitz-TR I means mint 21? or lmde? cin/mate/xfce? [19:26] schestowitz-TR *meant [19:27] Techrights-sec those... Mint 20.3 cinnamon, Mint 20.3 MATE, 2022-04-04-raspberrypi-os-* [19:27] Techrights-sec You're right, new versions have been released, however I need the old one [19:27] schestowitz-TR you may be comparing apples (old) to oranges (new) then [19:28] Techrights-sec You're right, new versions have been released, however I need the old one [19:28] Techrights-sec in the archive for now. [19:30] schestowitz-TR I saw 3 or 4 articles in the past 24 hours, inc. official mint blog, re how to UPGRADE to 21 [19:30] schestowitz-TR they evn made some solid tools for it [19:30] schestowitz-TR they consider doing AUTOMATIC updates [19:30] schestowitz-TR and are very eaget to get people OFF the version you're after [19:30] schestowitz-TR not every distro is so eager to push people to latest [19:30] schestowitz-TR because it's a lot of work backporting stuff [19:30] schestowitz-TR hence many "rolling" distros [19:30] schestowitz-TR Windows is a very shitty rolling release [19:30] schestowitz-TR very unreliable and unpredictable [19:33] Techrights-sec Linux Mint 21 Cinnamon is now seeding but a small fraction [19:33] Techrights-sec if at all [19:33] schestowitz-TR they have lots of donated mirrors [19:33] schestowitz-TR I saw a lot when I got lmde [19:33] schestowitz-TR so maybe they just don't use bittorrent as much [19:34] schestowitz-TR is there a torrent tracker that can help us do a "ppuilarity contest" post? [19:34] Techrights-sec could be, but it is the efficient way to publish the ISO-9660 images [19:34] Techrights-sec not sure ... [19:34] Techrights-sec maybe this ? [19:34] Techrights-sec https://linuxtracker.org/ [19:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxtracker.org | Linuxtracker .::. The Premier Linux Bittorrent Website [19:38] Techrights-sec https://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=extra-stats [19:38] Techrights-sec that first one is reverse chronological the second one is more popularity [19:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxtracker.org | Linuxtracker .::. Index->Statistics [19:40] schestowitz-TR good timing [19:40] schestowitz-TR I know the site [19:40] schestowitz-TR seems kde neon and peppermint devuan ed does better (more seeds) than the normal [sic] edition] [19:40] schestowitz-TR I shall mention this :-) [19:40] schestowitz-TR btw, I still use neon [19:40] schestowitz-TR so far it always boots OK [19:40] schestowitz-TR kde does not depend on systemd afaik, only gnome... [19:40] schestowitz-TR maybe they can rebase on devuan one day [19:40] Techrights-sec are you sure, I thought KDE had a lot of systemd dependencies lately [19:40] Techrights-sec I could be quite wrong though [19:40] schestowitz-TR my info might be outdated [19:43] Techrights-sec apt-cache --recurse depends kde-plasma-desktop | grep systemd [19:43] Techrights-sec apt-cache dotty kde-plasma-desktop [19:44] schestowitz-TR took screenshot for a post [19:44] schestowitz-TR but first, today's links ;-) [19:50] Techrights-sec ack [19:53] schestowitz-TR PeppermintOS Without Systemd More Popular Than the Standard Edition? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/08/peppermintos-devuan/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/08/peppermintos-devuan/ [19:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | PeppermintOS Without Systemd More Popular Than the Standard Edition? | Techrights ● Aug 08 [20:10] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 08 [21:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [21:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell