●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 08, 2022 ●● ● Sep 08 [00:48] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:52] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-0rt.gu0.8v56c9.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 08 [01:27] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) ● Sep 08 [02:23] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:23] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@apdnczqs59t64.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [02:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:32] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Sep 08 [03:19] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-d0c.pdm.odb5mq.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 08 [04:47] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:49] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-4r6.pvr.rgjs7c.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 08 [05:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 08 [08:42] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:43] Techrights-sec topic idea for later: https://bannedbooksweek.org/ [08:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://bannedbooksweek.org/ ) [08:45] schestowitz-TR2 thanks [08:45] schestowitz-TR2 today is exam day [08:45] schestowitz-TR2 for the second time in a week an interruption caused me to forget something I was about to do [08:45] schestowitz-TR2 I wrote about it in my personal blog, at long last [08:45] schestowitz-TR2 I think this happens to everyone ● Sep 08 [09:00] Techrights-sec Good luck to Rianne on the exams [09:00] Techrights-sec The animated GIFs are probably processed by ImageMagick on a single core. [09:00] Techrights-sec It basically ends up being video processing using a tool not designed for such. [09:00] Techrights-sec In principle it is likely a very parallelizable task but not really the [09:00] Techrights-sec main purpose of ImageMagick and I myself don't have the skill to write a [09:00] Techrights-sec patch for them. [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 it's OK, don't bother changing it [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 at the end it did finish [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 it's actually part of the reason I got distracted and forgot something [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 about 4 things going on all at once [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 GIFs have inter-frame compression fo sorts, so doing frames across cores might be tricky and splitting the same frame across CPUs the same [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 or across cores [09:43] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Sep 08 [10:13] Techrights-sec I thought it was MPEG and the other video formats which had inter-frame [10:13] Techrights-sec compression and that GIF merely moved through a stack of images. But then [10:13] Techrights-sec I have no detailed knowledge of the formats. [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 mr gif dies months ago [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 I know from experience that a gif with many similar frames is a lot smaller [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 never mind pallette size [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 and so I assume there's some in-file compression [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 maybe I'm wrong and it's a stack of images compressed AT THE END [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 but judging by how it is handled on the Web [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 where it starts showing frames before the whole is ready [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 that cannot be the case [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 maybe some ad hoc dynamic compression of some sort [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 optical flow maybe [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 but I think animated gifs predate that [10:15] Techrights-sec Ok, that makes sense. [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 ot: experimented with some 'extra' sleep the past fortnight [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 did not notice positive effects [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 might go back to 6 a day, split across 2 or 3 [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 starting tonight [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 this week I did experience limited memroy capacity and motivation was not high [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 in fact, when aware 18 hours in a row there's some mental fatigue [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 so better split off into chunks so that there are rest breaks [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 I came back to coffee yesterday [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 I've just seen a link you sent about micro-posts, posts the length of a tweet [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 I think that in TR, if we deploy the same CMS, there will be a more suitable workflow of publications [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 which wordpress isn't adequate for [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 the wordpress side is good for certain types of posts [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 and soon wordpress will no longer bring security patches for it [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 itsfoss.com has a site called news.itsfoss.com [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 they're not the same, not the same people, not the same software [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 but one is less formal than the other [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 I think that's one possible approach for TR [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 a lot of what gets posted to IRC, or stuff with editorial comments, can instead be a short post [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 a bit like tumblr [10:22] chunky did u say.. chunks..? [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 yes! [10:22] *chunky chef kissyfingers [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 btw [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 I was in tesco last month [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 saw that item that says "chunky" [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 it's a forzen food [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 *frozen [10:23] chunky nice [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 so when I walk past it I go [10:23] chunky tesco is UK? [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 "oh... chunky... I know him!" [10:23] chunky hell yeah [10:23] schestowitz-TR2 yes, tesco [10:23] chunky that's me! [10:24] Techrights-sec If I have read correctly, WordPress has mainly gone SaaS and it's decreasingly [10:24] Techrights-sec possible to run one's own instance. [10:24] Techrights-sec Approximately how many accounts will need to post to TR in the future? [10:24] Techrights-sec A good bit of the parts from the current tm-new probably need to be modified [10:24] Techrights-sec to fit into the different work flow. [10:24] chunky i dunno what you're reading but that sounds very wrong [10:25] chunky open source wordpress is the same as it ever was from my perspective [10:25] chunky i'm forced to work on wordpress sites quite a bit so i'm a little familiar [10:25] chunky maybe you're talking about wordpress.com rather than running your own installation of wordpress [10:26] chunky anyway it's a bad platform, technologically dated [10:26] chunky (imo) [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 yeah [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 I agree [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 Techrights-sec: [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 your assertion about wordpress is not accurate, it's not that it discourages self-hosting, but to me it is the bloat and fast release pace [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 I don't think that TM CMS will need much adjustment for TR [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 we're still talking about automated split into taxonomy, maybe daily archives [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 I think wordpress will stay [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 some dorks like me will backport patches [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 as happened with drupal 6 [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 but wordpress is suitable for long form posts [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 like projects.propublica.com [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 whether to run with multiple CMS types and then duse together rss feeds, I don't know [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 but I know a lot of what I post in wordpress would be more suitably done some other way [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 with another workflow [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 wordpress was designed as b2 a long time ago for another era and another purpose [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 now it does all this clowny stuff, as you note, and that was made evident in recent releases of it [10:28] schestowitz-TR2 it's the era of GAFAM, not technorai and Firefox [10:28] chunky schestowitz-TR2: why do your chats come out in batches like that? do you have a poor connection or is that intentional? [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 *Technorati (incidentally, its founder moved to Mozilla) [10:29] chunky i used to think you guys were simulating chats programatically in here because of that, but now i realize that's not the case.. still, curious [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 it's done over a bridge [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 in ytalk [10:29] chunky ah ok.. maybe the bridge could use some work ;x [10:29] chunky unelss you're writing longform like email [10:29] chunky then i guess it's all working as it should [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 the timing is poor [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 but the sequence is still more or less alright [10:30] chunky my preferred platform these dies for blog/news/etc type platforms is Hugo [10:30] chunky it's a static site generator and it's an absolute joy to use [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 Hugo has a dependency chain I don't like [10:30] chunky these days* [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 so we rejectec it [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 and wrote our own [10:30] chunky ah ok, understood [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 reading code is hard [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 writing code is easier [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 so if you adopt some thing like hugo [10:30] chunky i don't think anybody would argue w/ that [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 you're at their mercy [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 then they have new releases [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 maybe your hacks obsolete [10:31] chunky the one thing i don't like about hugo is that it really does assume you're structuring a website like a blog [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 even if you use hooks [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 they can later remove or break APIs too [10:31] chunky but overall i really do enjoy using it [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 so you're never really in control of your system [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 and cannot shape it to your needs [10:31] chunky yeah, fair enough [10:31] chunky you're in a similar boat w/ wordpress though, i imagine [10:31] chunky but at least it's not written in a language created by google ;x [10:31] schestowitz-TR2 tuxmachines is not a blog [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 it's something different [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 and it has almost 200k pages [10:32] chunky oh yeah i'm not referring to any specific website here [10:32] chunky i didn't know you ran that [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 so there's the scale to take into account [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 like DB queries to run [10:32] chunky hugo can smash through that without issue, in fact a static site generator on that scale (imo) is better than a dynamic website [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 thw www is also dying [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 ok, strong words [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 not dying [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 perishing [10:32] schestowitz-TR2 hugo does not support gemini [10:33] schestowitz-TR2 and if you plug in gemini support, it might break in the future [10:33] chunky i've used hugo to develop ecommerce sites w/ more than half a million product pages and it smashes through compilation w/ no problem [10:33] schestowitz-TR2 at the whims of some other devs [10:33] chunky yeah that's the kind of stuff i've never really taken into consideration [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 we also added MQTT to the CMS [10:34] chunky i've used a gemini browser once, for example [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 it's still young [10:34] chunky just to read drewdevaults blog posts that were only available on that protocol [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 but more tools come [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 and "content" [10:34] chunky if you're familar w/ him, idk [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 yeah [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 we linked to him this morning and yesterday [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 abdout kernel stuff written in hare [10:34] chunky nice [10:35] chunky i use a lot of his softare, he's a hero to me [10:37] chunky schestowitz-TR2: is there a reason tuxmachines.org isn't using an ssl cert signed by a known root ca? [10:37] chunky i'm getting MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_SELF_SIGNED_CERT [10:37] schestowitz-TR2 gemini.tuxmachines.org runs on his software [10:38] chunky nice [10:38] schestowitz-TR2 the error you get says, [10:38] schestowitz-TR2 this site is not controlled by a cartel [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 it trusts itself [10:39] chunky fair [10:39] chunky guess that's why i asked [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 and the cartel cannot verify that roy is outsourcing control to the cartel [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 mozilla is rubbish [10:39] chunky couldn't agree more [10:39] chunky i still use firefox [10:39] chunky i try to get away from it [10:39] chunky qutebrowser is super promising [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 i have it installed [10:39] chunky getting better all the time [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 qutebrowser shills Microsoft [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 at least in Debian 10 [10:40] chunky yeah? [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 it defaults to DDG [10:40] chunky i bet The-Compiler would change that [10:40] chunky i certainly doubt he is compensated for that [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 and makes it hard to change these defaults [10:40] chunky it's not hard at all [10:40] chunky it's just a setting in a config file [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 i tried [10:40] chunky mine is changed to a searx instance, for example [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 it ignored that [10:40] chunky it's not difficult [10:41] chunky hopefully i don't get kicked for flooding, but [10:41] chunky c.url.start_pages = 'https://paulgo.io' [10:41] chunky c.url.default_page = 'https://paulgo.io' [10:41] chunky c.url.searchengines = { [10:41] chunky 'DEFAULT': 'https://paulgo.io/?q={}', [10:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-paulgo.io | PaulGO [10:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 308 @ https://paulgo.io/?q={} ) [10:41] chunky this in my config file fixes that completely [10:41] chunky for qutebrowser [10:41] chunky no problem [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 there are no kickbans for "floods" [10:43] schestowitz-TR2 the servers just throttles down after 4 fast lines [10:43] chunky ah ok, gotcha [10:43] chunky i run an irc server where we blast irc art @ each other all day [10:43] chunky no flood protection at all [10:43] chunky luv it :) [10:47] chunky anyway qutebrowser is very good and i hope you wouldn't think that the author, The-Compiler is intentionally trying to harm its users [10:47] chunky i bet the ddg default is only based on his own personal preference, and maybe he's not privvy to these privacy issues [10:49] schestowitz-TR2 if you know the dev, contact him/her [10:49] schestowitz-TR2 and tell them what DDG is [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 and how that puts off more and more potential users [10:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo [10:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | DuckDuckGo - Techrights [10:50] chunky reading about ddg is how i came to find techrights website :) [10:50] chunky that's why i'm on this irc server [10:51] chunky for a long time i figured something wasn't right about it, and i'm pretty much always skeptical of services offering privacy/security as their main feature, so it was nice to see techrights drill down on some detail at some point [10:51] chunky thx :) [10:51] chunky i'll mention it to The-Compiler and see what he says about it [10:52] chunky i normally don't worry about defaults like that in software because most tend to be garbage, but i have nothing to lose from mentioning it to him [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 the ddg controversy is not new [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 but those MFers have budget [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 and they gaslight people [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 and don't answer critics [10:53] chunky yeah [10:53] chunky the guy is a piece of shit [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 we got some whistleblowers [10:53] chunky i saw him answer to a thread on ycombinator's hacker news and it was just steam [10:54] schestowitz-TR2 and have warned about DDG for over a decade [10:54] chunky no real answer [10:54] schestowitz-TR2 all along calling it a Microsoft proxy [10:54] schestowitz-TR2 now it's more evident with the NDA and all [10:54] schestowitz-TR2 Gabe admits it [10:54] chunky i've warned personal friends over the years about ddg being suspect without having any actual proof [10:54] chunky people just said i'm overly cautious and the usual stuff [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 I hope they fall back to 0% [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 it was just bing with a mask [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 like the scooby doo meme [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 "let's see who you really are!" [10:55] chunky they're pretty popular now [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 they have budget [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 and get hosting from Microsoft [10:56] chunky people tricked into believing they're the good guys [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 among other things [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 haha, Microsoft trhe good guys [10:56] chunky honestly technology seems hopeless sometimes [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 "oooh, Microsoft, save me from Gulag, PLEASE!" [10:56] chunky computers and the internet really highlight some of the worst qualities in humans [10:56] chunky pure greed [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 yeah [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 now the marketing people rename everything [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 devops [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 clown [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 meaning [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 sysadmin [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 server [10:57] chunky yeah i've never really understood the term devops [10:57] chunky and the more i look into it the less it makes sense [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 then "smart"... and hype waves like "web3" and "hey hi" (AI) [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 make you want to get off the train [10:57] chunky my conclusion is basically that in order to understand it you have to buy into bullshit [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 some idiots at my workplace are like that [10:57] chunky same w/ all the renamed tech stuff at the cloud service providers [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 dev ops = programmijngn [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 coder [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 development [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 now it's all "OOPS" [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 GitOOPS [10:57] chunky amazon and google take pre-existing tech and give it some super weird name [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 ClownOOPS [10:58] chunky l0l [10:58] chunky p much [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 "HEYHIOOPS' [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 (aiops" [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 it'a a farce [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 it's not CS [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 it's shitty suits and m,arketing drecks like jim zemlin [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 ruining the industry [10:58] chunky it's just deep vendor lock-in [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 which they rebraded as "AYE TEA" decades back [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 CS=science [10:58] chunky at some point the people working on this stuff won't understand computers [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 "IT"=whatever [10:59] chunky i wonder when the time will come that not a person alive will actually understand how computers work [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 right [10:59] chunky but everyone will rely on them [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 but we need to reject the buzzwords [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 for starters [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 and use terminopoly that explains what happens [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 like "outsourcing" [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 Red Hat keeps saying "transformation" [10:59] chunky lol [10:59] chunky yeah [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 or "modernisation" [10:59] chunky "serverless" nah dawg that's "outsourcing" [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 they mean complexity ● Sep 08 [11:00] chunky serverless is one that really gets me, god is that ever stupid [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 like adding kubernetes to a business with one physical server [11:00] chunky l0llll [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 so then they buy crap like openshit [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 and ask Red Hat, PLEASE WE NEEDE SUPPORT! FAST FAST!! DOWNTIMES. [11:00] chunky it's just guys in suits at business meetings doing handshake deals w/o having a clue what they're talking about [11:00] chunky that's how most of this stuff comes to be [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 openshift is Free software [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 but you can't find people who know how to use and fix it [11:01] chunky some of it is engineered and downright evil though [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 not may people elarned ansible either [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 unless they get thewir expensive "red hat" cert [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 many use puppet [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 or even chef [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 then you have wordpress [11:01] chunky i wouldn't know what the better option is for deployment automation [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 and what becomes of it [11:01] schestowitz-TR2 talking over yalk about it atm [11:02] chunky i'd roll my own to know what's going on [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 chunky: nor would they [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 they just look at IBM brochures [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 and go with a bundle [11:02] chunky yeah [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 ansible tower, openshift.. [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 .and then look for clueless gards with got some "red hat"c ert [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 for memoprising stuff [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 *memorising [11:02] chunky sad [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 and once they are off script [11:02] schestowitz-TR2 or need to actually writ ea program [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 they are stuck [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 it's not in "the exam" [11:03] chunky GET BILL GATES IN HERE! [11:03] chunky YOU TOLD US WINDOWS 98 WOULD BE FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENT! [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 so you pay red ahat $2000 per year per server [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 for many 2 open tickets per year [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 so you pay $1000 for erach "incident" [11:03] chunky l0l [11:03] chunky racket [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 which means they profit from issues in their software [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 some of these companies come to us [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 because they get rippd off [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 and we fix things for them more cheaply [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 red hat has an incentive to make gnu/linxu robust [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 but not the add-on [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 they want a good product [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 but they also want you to NEED them [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 like many businesses [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 even ours [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 you should see managers [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 trying not to give away some secret sauce [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 as then the client would fix the issues without us [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 that's managers [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 now, re wordpress [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 they profit as a hosting company [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 with ads [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 and other premium products [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 wordpress.org lets them rope in more potential users [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 they can later "upsell" [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 but to be fair they don't make wordpress.org more buggy [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 just more bloated [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 and thus potentially hard to set up and diagnose [11:08] Techrights-sec ack [11:08] Techrights-sec Two reasons for saying the above are that the maintenance is now highly [11:08] Techrights-sec complex (and as you say fast moving) *and* that they require remote access [11:08] Techrights-sec to your system *via FTP* for automated updates. Yes, it is possible to [11:08] Techrights-sec do manual updates, you know the details on that. That is too much for [11:08] Techrights-sec many people, even just counting the time requirement not including the skills [11:08] Techrights-sec necessary. So without manual updates, the choice becomes between a highly [11:08] Techrights-sec insecure system where the login credentials are, in effect, broadcast because [11:08] Techrights-sec of FTP, or just let them handle the whole thing for a fee. I looked into [11:08] Techrights-sec various CMS in detail a few months ago and came to that conclusion, hopefully [11:08] Techrights-sec not too incorrectly. [11:10] chunky yeah i think wordpress is an example of a good way to operate an open source company [11:10] chunky they offer open source software and also offer to host it for you for a free [11:10] chunky for a fee* [11:11] chunky i don't take any issue w their business model, seems like the ideal way to do things [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 they used to use ftp [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 I've not myself installed newer versions except at work [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 and then didn't update then, just handed over the system [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 I have notes on the 'recipe' for manual update [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 I can give that to you [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 I assure you [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 that [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 a) many sec patches don't need backporting [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 b) v 3.9.x won't be affected by many new bugs [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 c) any backporting would be simple [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 d) someone out there will stll do it [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 e) the patches don't need downloading [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 f) edit file, change the lines based on the patch reference/object [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 like I did in drupal 6 [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 so I reckon wordpress isn't hopeless [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 the problem is that I maintain and look after about a dozen wordpress sites [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 if the se patches are not super critivcal [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 e.g. xss (JS) [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 multi-user installs where some users are very untrustweoirtthy (wishing to n vandalise the bsystem) [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 ete etc. [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 nobody will bother with a patch until something major comes along [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 as happened years ago with drupal 6 [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 susan contacted me about it after I had patched it [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 you could basically bypass the shim between one file/function and another [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 and pass some bad stuff to the function from a web browser [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 the fix was a simple input sanitisation [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 so I added it [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 at work I see all the latest drupal holes (eeven this morning I reported one to colleagues) [11:14] schestowitz-TR2 most affect just new versions. The bigger the s/w, the more holes are to be expectred. [11:15] Techrights-sec As far as I know they used it as recently as the beginning of this year! [11:15] Techrights-sec The recipe would be of interest, thanks [11:15] Techrights-sec The business model is kind of ok, the excessive complexity is not. Nor is [11:15] Techrights-sec the (former?) dependence on FTP and any form of obligatory remote access [11:15] Techrights-sec as a precondition for updating. [11:16] chunky i think the core wordpress updates now use the php curl library to download rather than ftp [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 I know the backstory very well [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 I was a student and deeply involved in the community back then [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 matt mullenweg and his buddy from cisco expressed oncerns that many did not update their wordpress installs [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 (to be fair, it was not simple and some tried to update without making proper backups first, or not knowing how to restore from backup) [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 by then, matt's friend had taken over from mike little (Stockporrrt, near here) and even locked him out [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 people blasted them for low-quality code [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 with holes [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 and then hosts were threatening wordpress would not be an option for quick automated installs [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 so they had to do something [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 first they threatened users [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 like "Upgrade, or else" [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 headline (from memory) [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 then this FTP thing [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 which I wrote about a decade ago [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 it's like a back door [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 with tracy's server it never worked [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 because access was 'two factor' (password PLUS keys, in two stages, via gateway) [11:19] schestowitz-TR2 I will give you my crude notes [11:20] chunky imo wordpress still is low quality code [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 it was not made by coder [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 it was not made by coders [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 but a curious bunch that hacked on code [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 of b2 [11:22] Techrights-sec ack [11:23] chunky that's the kind of stuff that tends to be more successful [11:23] chunky people trying to fulfill a real-world goal instead of trying to be technically correct [11:23] chunky that's what i see anyway [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 chunky: as noted earlier, the occupation is under attack [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 MBA [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 suits [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 patent lawyers [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 the security "experts" are biologists [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 like mgarrett [11:24] schestowitz-TR2 with no relevant training, just studying as one goes along [11:24] schestowitz-TR2 that's like me becoming a GP [11:24] schestowitz-TR2 by sitting at the office listening to sessions [11:24] chunky hey can you check out this weird lump on my anus? [11:24] schestowitz-TR2 and learning this way [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 GPs do all sorts of unpleasant jobs [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 even the seemingly sexual stuff isn't nice [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 worse than platonic [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 like sticking singers up dold people [11:25] chunky yes [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 even of the same gender [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 nothing "turn-on" about that [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 erven gynecologists [11:25] chunky i've said and i'll say again that tricking people into thinking that being a doctor or a lawyer is a good job is mankind's greatest con [11:25] chunky i worded that poorly, hopefully u know what i mean [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 I reckon the good -looking girls choose doctors who are old straight women [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 not some old men [11:29] *chunky puts on a wig and doctor outfit [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 aha [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 after kicking myself for 3 hours last nigth tryint to recall what I wanted to do [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 moments ago in the bathroom I recalled what it was I had planned to do [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 so it came back to me like 16 hours later [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 due to the same train of thought colliding with the same issue [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 but 16 hours is a long time [11:49] schestowitz-TR2 mystery solved at least ● Sep 08 [12:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:08] Techrights-sec ack [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 is it ok that financial affairs, unless very politicised (class vs tribalism), are ok for the main #techrights channel? [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 I think there's some overlap there with tech and usually it doesn't bring unwanted politics [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 unlike, say, immigration [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 climate is a science topic too, but probably better restricted to social [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 I'm asking because, [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 everywhere I look [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 anyone I speak to (even family) [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 financial woes are a big theme [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 and people try to make sense of it [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 seems they correctly blame "the rich" and not [that political party] [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 apropos, don't know what's happening in norway [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 my contacts there haven't been corresponding in a while [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 but in spite of natural resources they too would be impacted by high energy prices, esp. in winter [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 set aside immigration as a strain [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 when your country has that few citizens even 100,000 financial/economic immigrants, somw of whom flee famine/war, is a cumbersome obligation [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 and it was interesting to see norway's reaction to russia's aggression [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 invasion from the north is super easy, by land or by sea (or ice) [12:15] schestowitz-TR2 putin would love to get his hands on that energy pool [12:15] schestowitz-TR2 another spiggot by which toi punish europe (of course it causes the poor to suffer most, then he can try to incite them against other poor people, [12:15] schestowitz-TR2 based on racial profile) [12:43] schestowitz no reporting from this sam this past week; then, hours ago: https://itwire.com/mobility/oppo-puts-two-more-reno-5g-models-on-sale-down-under.html [12:43] schestowitz wasting his time on marketing puff [12:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - Oppo puts two more Reno 5G models on sale Down Under [12:44] Techrights-sec ack [12:44] Techrights-sec ack [12:50] Techrights-sec Norway is also in an awkward position. They could be supplying petrochemicals [12:50] Techrights-sec to Europe but for some reason aren't very much. Not that it would be a good [12:50] Techrights-sec thing in the long run for either the world or for Norway. IIRC Norway has been [12:50] Techrights-sec trying to wean itself from petrochemical income and invest in sounder areas. [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 norway does not have the brain drain issue [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 they seem to retain smart people [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 the friends I had from there mostly came back to begen, oslo etc. [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 and are happy enough there [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 no need for Liz Trumps [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 but.. [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 that edge can be lost over time, like in companies where you bring in Z types, X types... [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 the other night I opened the door around midnight [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 the next-door neighbours were having like a 'conference' of a dozen men in the back year [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 laughing off in some foreign language [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 our city is highly dependent on ultgra-tolerance of those who reject the culture [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 partly due to "investment" (like football) [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 Norway, unlike other countries, has invested in quality of life factors and [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 made an effort to ensure that the entire country is livable, not just the [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 tiny zone around the capital. [12:55] Techrights-sec Norway, unlike other countries, has invested in quality of life factors and [12:55] Techrights-sec made an effort to ensure that the entire country is livable, not just the [12:55] Techrights-sec tiny zone around the capital. [12:55] Techrights-sec ^capitol [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 ^capitol [12:57] Techrights-sec s/are/were/ ● Sep 08 [13:04] Techrights-sec Brushing those problems under the carpet just makes it worse here and now. [13:04] Techrights-sec Then as the problmes grow, they become just downright intolerable later. [13:04] Techrights-sec However, that is next month or next quarter or even next year, i.e. never [13:07] schestowitz-TR2 the "saving face" approach is why many orgs in FS are undermined [13:07] schestowitz-TR2 while they shout and scream at Techrights, debian.community etc. [13:07] schestowitz-TR2 for saying what they would rather keep under the carpet or behind the veil [13:07] schestowitz-TR2 as you are aware, britain is a tax haven economy esp. near the southeast, so they cultivate that further with "tax cuts" and "foreign investment" [13:08] schestowitz-TR2 welcome, even if that prices residence out of reach for locals and ushers in a cultural problem [13:08] schestowitz-TR2 having said that, guess who gets blamed at the end [13:08] schestowitz-TR2 they don't frame that as an economic issue [13:08] schestowitz-TR2 and then blame "the liberals" [13:08] schestowitz-TR2 saying stuff that incites one clique of poor people against another [13:09] Techrights-sec "This approach has not worked and has never worked before, so therefore [13:09] Techrights-sec let us inflict more of it towards the goal it has never yet achieved and [13:09] Techrights-sec appears to counteract." [13:32] Techrights-sec ack [13:36] schestowitz-TR2 Later they wonder why people became more sceptical of the medical profession (like physicians who take a bribe to recommend some prescription) and even vaccines. People observe what low standards are now imposed/expected, like testing on some animals and then distributing to millions/billions of people in bulk. You're killing the profession. Like LF kills "Linux(TM)" (openwashing stamp). [13:37] schestowitz-TR2 "Critical thinkers and sceptics havent lost sight of the fact that British media now pushes for a new vaccine. Yeah, because the first one was so successful that this summer was the worst so far." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/03/uk-statistics-about-58-of-the-population-opted-to-receive-a-booster-and-now-they-say-another-vaccine-is-needed/ [13:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive UK Statistics: About 58% of the Population Opted to Receive a Booster (and Now They Say Another Vaccine is Needed) [13:37] Techrights-sec ack [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 this evening we'll have the latest data fro thwe week [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 they pushed that back to thurs 4pm [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 was weds 4pm before [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 and the mortality reports were silently killed when there was a surge in deaths [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 how convenient [13:39] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 I'm sure Liz Trump will be a "strong leaders" [13:39] schestowitz https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/07/memory-shortcomings/ [13:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Human Memorys Obnoxious Weakness [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 sorry, wrong url [13:40] schestowitz-TR2 " https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/06/truss-more-of-the-same/ [13:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Our New Prime Minister: More of the Same [13:40] schestowitz-TR2 - [13:41] Techrights-sec ack [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 Victory? EFF should call to ABOLISH Slack. But EFF is run by a bunch of slackers these days. 3 key people died. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/victory-slack-offers-retention-settings-free-workspaces | Source: EFF [13:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | VICTORY: Slack Offers Retention Settings to Free Workspaces | Electronic Frontier Foundation [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 EFF: Victory! We had a meeting with Donald Trump. [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 FSF: Victory: RMS was on Kremlin channel twice this year [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 EFF is still fighting. Seriously, it's fighting. Just not for EFF causes. [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 The E is today's EFF is estrogen [13:53] Techrights-sec :/ ● Sep 08 [14:06] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:10] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-ias.qhh.qfvubb.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 The issue isn't Linux itself; they're misplacing the blame, just like Microsoft wants them to (Microsoft does this too https://cisoseries.com/cyber-security-headlines-cisa-incident-reporting-linux-focused-iot-malware-albania-cuts-ties-over-cyberattack/ [14:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cisoseries.com | CISA incident reporting, Albania cuts ties over cyberattack [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- cisoseries.com | CISA incident reporting, Albania cuts ties over cyberattack [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 How about we start calling all Adobe and AutoCAD flaws "WINDOWS MALWARE? [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 It's not Linux that welcomes that malware; the malware gets there by other means and once installed it can do anything it wants. Not an OS issue. https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/next-gen-linux-malware-takes-over-devices-unique-toolset [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.darkreading.com | Next-Gen Linux Malware Takes Over Devices With Unique Tool Set [14:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.darkreading.com | Next-Gen Linux Malware Takes Over Devices With Unique Tool Set [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 You can drive your car off a cliff. That doesn't mean the car is not safe. ● Sep 08 [17:09] schestowitz-TR2 rianne has returned [17:09] schestowitz-TR2 the results are not given on the spot [17:09] schestowitz-TR2 but she finished in 10 mins instead of 45 [17:09] schestowitz-TR2 and thought she aced it [17:09] schestowitz-TR2 will need to wait [17:09] Techrights-sec excellent [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 hmmm [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 interesting [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 they apparently just say pass or no pass [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 without telling you the score [17:21] schestowitz-TR2 she knew all the questions [17:21] schestowitz-TR2 and had practiced a lot [17:21] schestowitz-TR2 but I guess Home Office can see the actual score [17:21] schestowitz-TR2 which can help [17:21] schestowitz-TR2 weird that they don't tell the person taking the exam [17:21] Techrights-sec oh well. [17:21] Techrights-sec Was it a language test or a specific topic instead? [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 general knowledge [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 we'll ask the attorney tomorrow [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 he used to work for Home Officer [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 Office [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 if they can at l;east appreciate a perfect score [17:22] Techrights-sec I hope they can and that it is to her advantage. [17:26] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, she could finished in 8 mins [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 I told her to take her time [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 but no need beyond 10 [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 she knew those questions [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 45 mins is too much [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 I now they that for confidentiality reasons they don't send the full results over emaiul/www [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 just assure her it's ok, nothing further [17:41] schestowitz-TR2 she spent over a month preparing [17:47] Techrights-sec That's good if they are cognizant of the shortcomings of standard e-mail, [17:47] Techrights-sec not to mention M$ imitation of e-mail which routes through Washington state. [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 even if they say just pass/fail in unencrypted mail [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 along with some personal details [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 this is not good [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 the exact score is hardly the most sensitive bit of info [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 that they can leak to foreign countries ● Sep 08 [18:00] schestowitz-TR2 NHS Once Again Admits That the Number of Deaths It Gave Was Wrong (More People Had Died Than It Disclosed) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/08/number-of-deaths-wrong-lowballed/ [18:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive NHS Once Again Admits That the Number of Deaths It Gave Was Wrong (More People Had Died Than It Disclosed) [18:00] Techrights-sec Gates mentioned, but only in passing, https://text.npr.org/1121525125 [18:00] Techrights-sec certainly not the visit in jail [18:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Here's why conspiracy theories about Jeffrey Epstein keep flourishing [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 yes, BillPR is a total disgrace [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 they use the label to discredit some facts [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 by tying them to BS [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 I'd rather just boycott BillPR [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 it makes me sick [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 it keeps insulting people who point out facts [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 and even blocks some in twitter [18:02] schestowitz-TR2 for pointing out Gates pays them [18:03] Techrights-sec Yes they are pushing strawman arguments on the topic. [18:03] Techrights-sec Strangely they did not mention the conflict of interest regarding funding [18:03] Techrights-sec there in the article. Not even a word. [18:04] schestowitz-TR2 it is outrageous [18:04] schestowitz-TR2 billbC did the exact same [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 painting bill as the victim [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 "people shout at me in the streets" [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 I guess hiding the bribes is now their fallback strategy [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 we should just boycott them and call them out on it [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 later you say gates and epstein in the same sentence [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 and people reclal this BS they saw in BillBL and BillPR [18:05] Techrights-sec [18:05] Techrights-sec Yep. That's a goal of theirs. [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 and then they then think you are insane [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 I think it's hardly a new strategy and some people older than me say the same about JFK [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 and some about 9/11 [18:05] schestowitz-TR2 became too toxic to discuss [18:05] Techrights-sec Yep. That's a goal of theirs. Saturate, diffuse, confuse. [18:08] schestowitz-TR2 l;ater people get cyncical about the media [18:08] schestowitz-TR2 and turn to even worse: social control media [18:08] schestowitz-TR2 maybe gates is hardly mentyioned for them to avoid having the burden of adding a disclosure of conflict [18:16] Techrights-sec Ack [18:16] Techrights-sec Already too many politicians, especially high-level ones, appear to have gotten [18:16] Techrights-sec suckered by social control media to the point that it looks like it has been [18:16] Techrights-sec influencing both their rhetoric and their policies. Chumps [18:16] Techrights-sec That level of irresponsibility is harmful when coupled by they authority they [18:16] Techrights-sec have been granted through elections or appointments. [18:16] Techrights-sec It's essentially worse than lobbying, and that is bad enough being in practice [18:16] Techrights-sec just bribery dressed up a little. [18:16] Techrights-sec However rather than bribery, social control media is maniuplation and propaganda [18:50] *psydruid has quit (Quit: Gateway shutdown) [18:52] schestowitz-TR2 my note: record something on banned boosk, relate this to the www/net era, mention billpr along tghe way [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 rianne is now back to posting as usual [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 she is pretty certain she got 100% [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 we'll ask tomorrow [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 price of toiletries (toothpoaste, creams etc.) went up sharply [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 we'll try to 'cheat' this system by hopping between stores [18:55] Techrights-sec And perhaps the ephemeral nature of the web. [18:55] Techrights-sec "shrinkflation" is affecting those goods badly [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 yes, web rot is a think [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 TR, TM, and my site have a near perfect record of keeping ALL URLs alive, even almost 20 years down the line [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 I do this with a passion, sometimes adding redirections [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 you might even call it a compettiive advantage [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 but it's not a content [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 *contest [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 need to think of key points to cover [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 maybe after the next round of rss cleaning [18:58] schestowitz-TR2 by which point it'll be dark here anyway ● Sep 08 [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 ---- [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 two bad news [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 1) queen liz just died (yes, same time rianne did her exam) [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 2) the aunt whose hunsband died months ago... got cancer (stage 1, but we hoped for less) [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 i might not record today [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 lots to digest [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 I'll prioritise auto-pilot on the sites [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 bbl [19:17] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:42] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@apndfn777ktyc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:45] Techrights-sec otr: I can see 2) being of concern, but how does 1) affect anything, sorry [19:45] Techrights-sec otr: for the callousness regarding 1) there [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 it is complicated [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 what it means to me is not what it means to millions of others [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 many of whom cry now [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 disparity in compassion [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 but i have many other things in my mind atm, so took a break [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 I will post link with robot-like mind [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 and do posts later [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 need to calibrate a little [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 rianne is writing something about it atm [19:51] schestowitz-TR2 remember she studied this stuff all day long for a long time [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 --- [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 rianne heard of the term shinkflation before [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 she even used it [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 to me it is new as I read different kinds of media [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 we're discussing how to bypass that, like which shops sell what and where [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 there are usually 'backchannels' if you are clever and then repetitive about it [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 and buy in bulk [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 we also need to find where to buy suppliss for the fish on the cheap [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 prices soared on basic products where we used to get 'generic' products [19:55] schestowitz-TR2 i think the "petm industry" makes a killing atm as people prioritise that sort of stuff [19:59] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 08 [20:00] schestowitz-TR2 re earlier issue, you could a dopt a "i don't give a f*" attitude regarding what other people think [20:00] schestowitz-TR2 and then end up targeted as enemy #1 of vbrigades online [20:00] schestowitz-TR2 or you could just focus on other things [20:01] Techrights-sec There is a rumor that RMS has been working on GNU C Language Introduction & Reference Manual. Any way to confirm or debunk that? [20:02] schestowitz-TR2 I put that in TM [20:02] schestowitz-TR2 he announced that in the mailing list [20:02] schestowitz-TR2 but did not say who had comosed this document [20:03] schestowitz-TR2 baib, too many thinbgs in my mind (esp. aunt) [20:03] schestowitz-TR2 i put that down in writing to better manage the mental storm [20:03] schestowitz-TR2 will poost new like a robot to get by [20:03] schestowitz-TR2 little emotion [20:04] Techrights-sec Nothing at Stallman.org [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 maybe social control media conflates announcing with working on [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 that's why I ignore that [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 I can find you the mailing list archive (xhtml) url again [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 but I don't suppose you need it [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 I'd better get back to a posting rhythm now [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 better than staring at the wall overthinking and speculating [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 which I'd rather avoid [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 keeping my mind busy with new info makes me happier [20:07] schestowitz-TR2 as long as it's not optimised for "engagement" [20:09] schestowitz-TR2 --- [20:09] schestowitz-TR2 cancer treatment is a long process [20:09] schestowitz-TR2 and no "closure" for very many months [20:09] schestowitz-TR2 you never know if it's "over" [20:09] schestowitz-TR2 so expect more travel and visits [20:09] schestowitz-TR2 and tears [20:43] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 08 [21:13] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:17] *_Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-7mo.v1i.imvltv.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [21:18] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Sep 08 [23:31] schestowitz-TR2 Number of UK Tests for COVID-19 Plunge (But Cases Rise!) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/08/testing-down-sharply/ [23:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Number of UK Tests for COVID-19 Plunge (But Cases Rise!)