●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 ●● ● Dec 08 [00:16] *altlink_d9f has quit (connection closed) [00:16] *altlink_72d (~altlink_72d@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 08 [01:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:29] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:33] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [01:33] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:41] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 08 [02:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:43] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:55] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 08 [03:29] schestowitz Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the NHS Are Changed http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/12/08/yorkshire-health-solutions-changes/ [03:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com Blog Archive Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the NHS Are Changed [03:57] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:57] *techrights_guest|12 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Dec 08 [04:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:43] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:51] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:51] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 08 [05:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:04] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:42] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 08 [06:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 08 [07:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:06] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 08 [08:16] *altlink_72d has quit (connection closed) [08:16] *altlink_9ac (~altlink_9ac@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:40] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:40] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:41] Techrights-sec Good work! [08:41] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/ [08:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Techrights [08:41] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:50] schestowitz-TR 1. I was expecting bugs somewhere in the irc stuff, but have found no bugs so far, tested for 20 mins all in all [08:50] schestowitz-TR since 2:30am [08:50] schestowitz-TR 2/ nhs and epo complaints are good news [08:52] Techrights-sec 2: yes very good progress [08:52] Techrights-sec 1: the translation is still brittle, it'd be nice to do more upstream and then have scripts convert to HTML and [08:52] Techrights-sec Gemini at the same time rather than [08:52] Techrights-sec converting logs to html and from there to Gemini [08:52] schestowitz-TR I reckon python3 might not be compatible, but we can always fall back onto 2.x [08:53] Techrights-sec python2 is deprecated since long ago [08:53] schestowitz-TR ack [08:53] schestowitz-TR I will do some more testing later, I have a list [08:57] Techrights-sec ack [08:57] schestowitz-TR I got the police files on Graveley [08:57] schestowitz-TR and some dirt on Friedman [08:57] Techrights-sec Interesting, if they are authentic ● Dec 08 [09:46] Techrights-sec +1 [09:46] Techrights-sec page 2 of the warrant looks empty [09:46] Techrights-sec then again it is marked "unofficial" [09:47] schestowitz-TR wait, there is MOIRE ● Dec 08 [10:04] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@svp6nvmiuarba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:24] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [10:35] Techrights-sec back in a few hours [10:56] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:56] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Dec 08 [11:01] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@r7zq4q2ys63yk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:03] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:03] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ddstkmbt93p8q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:16] schestowitz partly to self: tomorrow's test 3:30am in irc, see notes below (check in morning, follow links to gmi in blog post); should we also include gmi link to bulletin? gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/index.gmi would inherit the link if it is included in the www post. [11:19] schestowitz leah is looking into gemini again, I think it would help if posts like gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/index.gmi included a gemini link for the bulletin too, as at the very least it brings us closer to the point of saying, we have web/gemini parity [11:19] leah i mean [11:19] leah yeah [11:24] schestowitz schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/ [11:24] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/ [11:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com Blog Archive Vaccination is Good, But the Current Vaccination Strategy (of Overwhelming Fear/Hysteria) Will Fail to Convince Sceptical People [11:39] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:52] schestowitz-TR I have today (8:44) push showing a bug fixed, so am copying to main file, we need to watch closely the next few [11:52] schestowitz-TR days in case [11:52] schestowitz-TR something breaks quietly [11:52] schestowitz-TR better to catch bugs early than late [11:52] schestowitz-TR I will now push some changes for the IRC bot ● Dec 08 [12:01] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:23] schestowitz "Techrights deals with a variety of issues that affect our everyday computing. It works by addressing particular subjects that need to be better understood and thus resolved." [12:23] schestowitz https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights [12:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: muckrack.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights [12:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-muckrack.com | Techrights.org: Contact Information, Journalists, and Overview | Muck Rack [12:23] schestowitz "Trade/B2B, Consumer"??? [12:44] schestowitz-TR pushed to IRC the irc bot changes, which I dry-tested link by link to lower chances of bugs [12:45] Techrights-sec back [12:45] Techrights-sec yes, I've been checking the published Gemtext and looking for oddnesses and miakes [12:45] Techrights-sec ack [12:55] schestowitz-TR I was pleasantly surprised by how fewe bugs and defects in 'deploymemnt' we had [12:55] schestowitz-TR because I had anticipated a lot more trouble, though it all worked rather smoothly [12:55] schestowitz-TR and now it's all automated for yearsb to come [12:57] Techrights-sec hopefully. too much of it relies on scraping and scraping is brittle. it [12:57] Techrights-sec does not adapt to changes in the layout of the source, if they are outside [12:57] Techrights-sec certain parameters [12:57] schestowitz-TR if or when changes are introduced, the code can be tweaked a bit [12:57] schestowitz-TR btw, meduza is still broken, this was discsused in main irc channel yesterday [12:59] schestowitz-TR i keep getting tons of new info from github; sources and moles and friends of friends can do more damage than "CIEgate" [12:59] schestowitz-TR *ICEgate ● Dec 08 [13:01] Techrights-sec yes, it's too bad they have not fixed their feeds [13:01] Techrights-sec M$ did a lot of damage to FOSS with the GitHub acquisition, that was one of [13:01] Techrights-sec their goals. Those close enough to the epicenter can get shocked out of the [13:01] Techrights-sec foolish projection that M$ had improved or changed in any way for the better. [13:02] Techrights-sec nextcloud et al filed a complaint [13:02] Techrights-sec backed even by some microsoft apologists [13:04] Techrights-sec it'll be interesting if NextCloud gets enough traction to make a case. Many [13:04] Techrights-sec judges seem to worship bill and or M$ and so might squash it before it starts. [13:04] Techrights-sec See how the judges were angry at Schrems for daring to question Facebook. [13:04] Techrights-sec M$ is far worse and far more established. [13:05] schestowitz-TR same for epo which the eu is protecting [13:05] schestowitz-TR and the dutch and german states too!!! [13:08] Techrights-sec germany seems to be pushing epo the most, and that looks like mostly from [13:08] Techrights-sec conflicrs of interest. how much money does the german government skim [13:08] Techrights-sec off of the epo? [13:08] schestowitz-TR law firms, court fees, 7000 high earners spending on homes etc. [13:11] Techrights-sec I wonder if there is more direct profit from them. [13:11] schestowitz-TR nations, through NPO 'cooperation', receive bribes [13:13] schestowitz-TR call it a cartel if you must, or a CROSS-border class warfare thing, with liars/lawyers an d corporastions [13:13] Techrights-sec corruption seems high in many EU countries, despite the ability to fill [13:13] Techrights-sec out forms saying the opposite [13:13] schestowitz-TR covering epo means we show the crimes spilling over to other institutions, e.g. wipo, euipo, and NPOs [13:14] Techrights-sec yep, and the general graft that people witness or participate in but deny [13:15] schestowitz-TR btw, re TM [13:15] schestowitz-TR I was going to tell you yesterday [13:15] schestowitz-TR the beat we found most effective is [13:15] schestowitz-TR rianne takes the lead [13:15] schestowitz-TR with key stories [13:15] schestowitz-TR marius does very fast reporting and adds his stories asap [13:15] schestowitz-TR I am just the pickup guy, assembling the leftovers and picking up missing bits here and there [13:16] schestowitz-TR of course that generally changes and changed over time [13:16] schestowitz-TR as we findn btter ways to run it thinly [13:16] schestowitz-TR and if rianne works i take over TM, and vice versa, same for sleep cycles, so we're rarely behind. marius also covers for us when on holiday [13:17] schestowitz-TR TMS is just as important as TR, but DIFFERENT [13:27] Techrights-sec ack [13:27] Techrights-sec Excellent coverage ● Dec 08 [15:10] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: bbl) [15:17] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@kmujm4s8xqrtu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:19] schestowitz-TR I think we can do to microsoft sand github what we do to EPO [15:21] Techrights-sec GitHub is damaged beyond redemption and would be better shut down. It was [15:21] Techrights-sec always proprietary anyway. There are many other better options. The two [15:21] Techrights-sec things it had going were heavy marketing and integration with a bug tracker. [15:21] Techrights-sec It's more social control media then development software at this point. [15:21] Techrights-sec Again, it comes down to a question of control. [15:21] Techrights-sec ack [15:21] schestowitz-TR it's like a big coke vending machine [15:21] schestowitz-TR we just need to knock it back and forth a few times [15:21] schestowitz-TR then it will fall over [15:23] schestowitz-TR transcoding 30-min video, calling for more sources [15:32] Techrights-sec there might be quite a few willing to speak, m$ burned a lot of people in [15:32] Techrights-sec the buyout [15:32] Techrights-sec not just through the result but also the process [15:34] schestowitz-TR mumble can come in handy [15:35] schestowitz-TR but i suppose when used as "app" on some OSes its privacy is at risk [15:36] Techrights-sec that too [15:36] Techrights-sec It gives M$ a complete overview of all project activity for projects still in [15:36] Techrights-sec GitHUb [15:36] schestowitz-TR 'BI' [15:37] Techrights-sec Regular intel which they presumably use themselves to further their agenda [15:37] Techrights-sec and which they also sell to various governments to know where and how to [15:37] Techrights-sec sabotage FOSS with the least effort and resources. [15:38] schestowitz-TR it is a lot more than just intel (visibility) as they can censor, ban, manipulate etc./ [15:38] schestowitz-TR --- a point we MUST regularly raise to remind people [15:38] schestowitz-TR it happened before -- it's a power they abuse [15:40] Techrights-sec yep, good point [15:40] Techrights-sec A big problem there is that most people don't accept or observe facts, and [15:40] Techrights-sec go with what they /wish/ was true instead. 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