●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 09, 2022 ●● ● Aug 09 [01:17] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [01:19] *britney has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:21] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 09 [02:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Aug 09 [03:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:06] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:06] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 09 [04:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 09 [06:12] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:27] *techrights_guest|83 (~519aaaff@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:32] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Aug 09 [07:17] schestowitz-TR the pi backups are working ok at 5:30 [07:17] schestowitz-TR I think ipfs works OK too, for output to site and to your IRC posts [07:17] schestowitz-TR I'm going to try to clone the whole system to USB now [07:17] Techrights-sec ack [07:17] Techrights-sec I looked at kde-plasma-desktop and its dependencies in Gephi but the [07:17] Techrights-sec data modification needs a little more work to make it look nice. Even [07:17] Techrights-sec without making it look nice, once can see that it is very complex and [07:17] Techrights-sec some of the dependencies occur many times over [07:20] schestowitz-TR cloning [07:20] schestowitz-TR are you good at assessing brands for removable storage? [07:20] schestowitz-TR (I'm not) [07:20] schestowitz-TR for instamnce, is KIOXIA considered OK? [07:20] schestowitz-TR the one I bought is very generic and I only intend to use it as a safety net for future D-R [07:21] schestowitz-TR this one says 2 years wrranty on the cardbord part of the pack [07:21] schestowitz-TR not sure how to even interpret that, it cost 9 pounds [07:21] schestowitz-TR for 32 gb [07:22] Techrights-sec no the storage quality is constantly changing; brands which were good recently [07:22] Techrights-sec cut quality for increased profit and coast on the name recognition a cycle [07:22] Techrights-sec or two until their bad reputation cuts into profits and then they play [07:22] Techrights-sec catchup; GOTO 10; [07:23] Techrights-sec Most say 5 year warranty, at least the ones I've bought [07:23] Techrights-sec It's probably a warranty for being able to plug it in, not data loss [07:23] schestowitz-TR ACK, thanks! [07:23] schestowitz-TR I want to share some background info on something, which approaches resolution now [07:24] schestowitz Issuing rude and threatening messages isn't helpful while I do disaster recovery (D-R) and many other things at the same time. [07:24] schestowitz It only worsen things. Best to switch off as timing isn't urgent, then prioritise accordingly. This is not urgent. We can all calm down. I didn't say anything rude. I just focused on what mattered most. [07:24] schestowitz I will be super-busy this month and next month there's a sort deadline for the above-mentioned naturalisation. I'm not interested in bickering; it's not compatible with my mood. Calm down, be patient, and we will figure things out. [07:24] schestowitz By the way, phoning and messaging xxxx like this is what xxxx did to xxxxx, causing her to get all uncomfortable as an adolescent no less. Don't stoop down to this level please. [07:24] schestowitz We need to use a more secure communication channels. This one, Hotmail, is monitoring by Microsoft (they got caught snooping for purely business reasons in violation of basic rights) and most other "apps" are also not confidential. That's why they're only even used by me for banal talk like football, not much personal stuff. [07:24] schestowitz To be clear, leaving my job would be about focusing on my own projects, not sitting idly doing nothing or drinking any alcohol (no time for that). There seems to be an unfortunate misunderstanding about that. [07:24] schestowitz Anyway, we'll talk soon. Relax, it'll be fine. [07:24] schestowitz-TR ---- [07:24] schestowitz-TR we seem to have ruffled some feathers with our plan, which person c told b and maybe a about [07:33] schestowitz-TR ---- [07:33] schestowitz-TR one thing I found was, people are unable to grasp people's choices that are not like them, so they start attacking and stuff [07:33] schestowitz-TR this reminds me of a person (unnamed) who said RMS was attacked tro viciously because people were unable to come to grips with how he lived his life in freedom without [07:33] schestowitz-TR having to get all stressed about mortgages and without using GAFAM etc... or getting bossed by pricks [07:33] schestowitz-TR BTW, in IRC some days ago I posted a link to a video of him in Frnace this summer. He hair is all grey/white, but his skin seems OK and his French seems [07:33] Techrights-sec ack [07:34] schestowitz-TR good though I cannot understand what he says. In recent years I saw books saying "French" at his back, so he keeps on top [07:34] schestowitz-TR I did not do anything with this video as Francophonies are a very narrow audience for us [07:34] schestowitz-TR (not compring MYSELF to RMS, just saying this situation reminded me of that comment) [07:34] schestowitz-TR having said all this,s eeing how seldom FSF publishes somrthing of sunstance (not just announcing date and time for Libera.Cancel "event") and how little [07:34] schestowitz-TR RMS talks (and how soft his stance is), I realise that both were defranged, and I think the 'sock doctrine' left tem paralysed, afriad that soemthinfg they [07:34] schestowitz-TR say or do might lead to a THIRD attack (Sept 2019, March-April 2021...) [07:34] schestowitz-TR they should have responded more firmly the first time around [07:34] schestowitz-TR if RMS had not "stepped down" in 2019, there would be no second or third [07:34] schestowitz-TR he'd still be preseident, not giving a flying f* [07:34] schestowitz-TR btw, he did want to become president again (reliable source), but after the second attack decided to leave things at that [07:37] schestowitz-TR draft [07:37] schestowitz-TR i mention in the video one day we might add documentdrop (we tried on centos; also tried a germany equiv) [07:37] schestowitz-TR not a priority for now [07:38] Techrights-sec checking [07:38] Techrights-sec if it is relevant, it would be important to mention that the quantity-over- [07:38] Techrights-sec -quality is harmful and defeats the purpose of a patent office which, [07:38] Techrights-sec as from IRC, is about weeding out bad patents at the application level [07:38] Techrights-sec passing that on to the courts merely to skim money burdens the courts [07:38] Techrights-sec unnecessarily and obviates the need for a patent office even. [07:42] schestowitz-TR added para with your witty observation [07:51] Techrights-sec thanks ● Aug 09 [08:10] schestowitz-TR today's IRC post left out the IPFS stuff. Did the script not manage to retrieve it? [08:10] schestowitz-TR Just checking to ensure it worked correctly [08:47] schestowitz-TR with ipfs working OK again I'll likely enhance TR on top of it ;-) [08:47] schestowitz-TR WTF! Switzerland and Finland now doing rolling blackouts? Now due to weather? Insane. World's (among) richest and "happiest"... brownouts due to weather and power [08:47] schestowitz-TR rationing. This is considered normal now? What next, water rationing? Overpopulation does play a role in this. Of course the rich companies, e.g. AWS/Amazon, [08:47] schestowitz-TR will be exempted, so there will be more monopolies too (marketing point: "we're exempt from rationing") ● Aug 09 [10:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:33] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:50] schestowitz Might be worth inserting something like to all TM pages ● Aug 09 [11:35] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ksxz74pcurzks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 09 [12:09] Techrights-sec checking IPFS part of the IRC script [12:09] Techrights-sec """ [12:09] Techrights-sec Checking remote server for IPFS logs. [12:09] Techrights-sec cat: /home/links/ipfs/220808.html: No such file or director [12:09] Techrights-sec """ [12:09] Techrights-sec the new sysem does not have the requisite files, though the ones from the other [12:09] Techrights-sec days have been there. Were they uploaded? [12:09] Techrights-sec $ ls /home/links/ipfs/ [12:09] Techrights-sec 220806.html 220807.html output.txt [12:09] Techrights-sec Yes, an alternate link would be a good idea. [12:10] schestowitz[TR2] > [12:10] schestowitz[TR2] cp: cannot create regular file '/home/links/ipfs/220808.html': Permission denied [12:10] schestowitz[TR2] something was changed since yesterday [12:56] schestowitz-TR I think you changed groups or permissions, not sure what you changed [12:56] schestowitz-TR in other news, rianne and I were using the DB locks today [12:56] schestowitz-TR she was baffled at first [12:56] schestowitz-TR until I explained to her what had happened [12:56] schestowitz-TR all in all it worked well [12:56] schestowitz-TR put me on hold till she finished/finalised ● Aug 09 [13:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:12] schestowitz-TR a) multitasking too much atm [13:12] schestowitz-TR b) told marius to try posting [13:12] schestowitz-TR c)nearly done cloning none [13:12] schestowitz-TR *now [13:12] schestowitz-TR d) will posign Daily Links soon [13:12] schestowitz-TR e) tryint to focus purely on the sites atm [13:12] schestowitz-TR f) permissions issue is the ipfs user tying to access that dir in links [13:12] schestowitz-TR g) windows share falling shortpy, will writ eabout this later [13:12] schestowitz-TR h) will start ipfs running from home again after cloning, at a minimal capacity [13:12] schestowitz-TR i) want to do some ipfs enhancements now that it works like it did back when it was very small [13:12] schestowitz-TR brb [13:13] Techrights-sec which account? the permissions were 0777, which was very bad, the groups [13:13] Techrights-sec can be used to write if the speciall account is not used [13:14] schestowitz-TR 0777 was a temporarily hack [13:14] schestowitz-TR hence I told you about it [13:15] schestowitz-TR as I want to do permissions properly on the new machine [13:15] schestowitz-TR but just needed something temporary to write the files [13:15] schestowitz-TR i removed make and gcc from that machine after using them [13:15] schestowitz-TR i might remove more packages if we add them [13:15] schestowitz-TR I think I yold you about every single package I had added [13:15] Techrights-sec having the 0777 permisions /blocked/ SSH / [13:15] Techrights-sec Rsync / SFTP from the account [13:16] schestowitz-TR I think we need to add a group [13:16] schestowitz-TR adding the accounts that need access to links [13:16] Techrights-sec ok [13:16] Techrights-sec which account should be added to the group? [13:16] Techrights-sec there is a dedicated account, but 'roy' can be added [13:17] schestowitz-TR brb, will come back after daily links [13:17] schestowitz-TR to avoid making mistakes [13:17] Techrights-sec ack [13:18] schestowitz-TR yesterrdqay we found another very nearby store that had some good discounts and there are two more plances near us that can ship the parcel outwards [13:18] schestowitz-TR but that's OT for now [13:18] schestowitz-TR we'll be out for a long time tomorrow as it is 31 degrees here [13:19] Techrights-sec excellent that there are so many choices [13:19] Techrights-sec hot! [13:22] schestowitz-TR yesterday I fixed some cross-account per issues on the pi [13:22] schestowitz-TR that's one of the reasons want a complete clone [13:22] schestowitz-TR to replicate and maintain the same relation between accounts and their permissions [13:22] schestowitz-TR set aside system binaries and such [13:22] schestowitz-TR /home is not enough [13:22] schestowitz-TR there's lots more inc. crontab [13:22] schestowitz-TR on the new system we'll have some more accounts to contain certain programs like irc bots [13:22] schestowitz-TR so that nothing runs as root [13:22] schestowitz-TR some of thewse programs need to write to public_html [13:22] schestowitz-TR so getting the relationship right will be crucial [13:22] schestowitz-TR to avoid clutter later [13:22] schestowitz-TR and I'm usualyl too lazxy (sorry) and implement quikck dirty hacks [13:22] schestowitz-TR I'm the same in the kiutchen [13:25] Techrights-sec the 0777 permissions are incompatible with SSH / Rsync / SFTP access. That's [13:25] Techrights-sec how they were noticed [13:25] Techrights-sec anyway if the 'links' acccount is not used, then [13:25] Techrights-sec a new group can be used for that directory. [13:25] Techrights-sec setting the ACLs for group write [13:26] schestowitz-TR finalising daily links now so I can do articles :-) [13:26] schestowitz-TR fell asleep on the chair twice already [13:26] Techrights-sec :) [13:26] Techrights-sec enough excercise? [13:26] schestowitz-TR stairs [13:26] schestowitz-TR but not enough, not as much as I'd like [13:34] Techrights-sec maybe at some point the accoun for IPFS can be changes to something more [13:34] Techrights-sec mnemonic [13:35] schestowitz-TR yes, but I took into account some necessary rewrites hang on, finalising daily links.. [13:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:46] schestowitz-TR what other objects can be added to ipfs or [13:46] schestowitz-TR how can ipfs be leveraged to our advantage [13:46] schestowitz-TR for gemini I doubt we need it [13:46] schestowitz-TR I still host it from home OK [13:46] schestowitz-TR we could intheory host it from two places at once [13:46] schestowitz-TR but no perceivable advantage atm [13:46] schestowitz-TR the ipfs account is not only for ipfs, just mostly for that [13:46] schestowitz-TR it is also where the belletins and large irc files reside [13:47] schestowitz-TR with consistent account name on home machine and DC machine [13:48] Techrights-sec ack [13:48] schestowitz-TR kk [13:57] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [13:57] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [13:58] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-op8psc.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:58] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@freenode-op8psc.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 09 [14:46] schestowitz-TR pi backu complete [14:46] schestowitz-TR stored away [14:46] schestowitz-TR hould work ok afaik [14:46] schestowitz-TR working on ipfs irc bots atm [14:46] schestowitz-TR might create another user account on TR-new [14:51] schestowitz-TR -- [14:51] schestowitz-TR draft [14:51] schestowitz-TR commented out about 10 lines in home ipfs setup [14:51] schestowitz-TR that'll get it running without generating anything new [14:52] schestowitz-TR it'll also yield stats [14:52] schestowitz-TR I don't think the server side needs to interact with irc, but it does need to send up-to-date list of hashes to the pi for gemini [14:52] schestowitz-TR for now, TR-new has nothing WWW-public-facing [14:52] schestowitz-TR I want to create another account, gemini, for ssh access from the gemini account [14:52] Techrights-sec checking [14:52] Techrights-sec what would it read or write [14:53] schestowitz-TR ipfs would write to it things, for now a list of hashes [14:53] schestowitz-TR the pi would read that over ssh [14:53] schestowitz-TR in the future there might be more bits to read/write [14:53] schestowitz-TR but account will be just for access from the pi/gemini [14:55] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:55] Techrights-sec would sftp-only work then? [14:56] Techrights-sec that would allow transfer of files and such wihout [14:56] Techrights-sec needing to permit access to any other part of the file system [14:57] Techrights-sec because on the RPi, gemini runs some network facing daemon(s) [14:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:58] schestowitz-TR mini [14:58] schestowitz-TR I have another idea [14:59] schestowitz-TR write to it but still no access to it [14:59] schestowitz-TR until we have www server running [14:59] schestowitz-TR in which case we can curl or wget the content [14:59] schestowitz-TR and allow access to the same over http/s [14:59] schestowitz-TR I'll create an account, gemini [14:59] schestowitz-TR and then I will also test access to links [14:59] Techrights-sec ok ● Aug 09 [15:11] schestowitz-TR account created [15:11] schestowitz-TR placeholder with permissions for ipfs [15:11] schestowitz-TR testing now, ttwo tests in one, links and gemini [15:11] schestowitz-TR due to testing, for the time being I run this job manually, so your files won't be ready until I run the job [15:11] schestowitz-TR all the changes I made to scripts are intentionally minimal, so nothing to push upstream [15:11] schestowitz-TR as I don't want to split the 'codebase' [15:11] Techrights-sec ok [15:11] Techrights-sec ack [15:11] Techrights-sec yep works with my script [15:11] schestowitz-TR diff'ing is easy, usually just commented out line of reused stuff [15:11] schestowitz-TR try now to get the file from /home/links/ipfs [15:11] schestowitz-TR to see if the permissions are suitable for your consumption from your end [15:14] schestowitz-TR OK, one last run, it seems to work now [15:14] schestowitz-TR I'll wait for the TR-new machine to have www open port and webserver software, then I can retrieve the file for the pi [15:14] schestowitz-TR or... I can just grab it over ssh/ftp instead of waiting [15:14] schestowitz-TR it's just that the web approach gives me options [15:14] schestowitz-TR /s/me/more/ [15:15] Techrights-sec sftp tr-new:/home/links/ipfs/$(date +"%y%m%d.html") [15:20] Techrights-sec sftp -i ~/.ssh/tr-new ipfs.techrights.org:/home/links/ipfs/$(date -d '-1 day' +'%y%m%d.html') [15:30] schestowitz-TR date not needed as it's a fixed named file [15:30] schestowitz-TR I've just rsynced the file manually [15:30] schestowitz-TR to be honst, this is just the gemini mirror for ipfs [15:30] schestowitz-TR and not many people use that [15:30] schestowitz-TR so nightly updates are likely not required [15:30] schestowitz-TR I've just put a script in ~gemini/bin [15:30] schestowitz-TR a one liner to refresh the hashesd [15:30] schestowitz-TR *hashes [15:30] schestowitz-TR they're not up to date [15:30] schestowitz-TR *now [15:30] schestowitz-TR I'm going to cron the ipfs update for 3am [15:30] Techrights-sec I spent some time looking at kde-plasma-desktop dependencies using Gephi earlier [15:30] Techrights-sec excellent [15:30] schestowitz-TR done [15:30] schestowitz-TR so ipfs for TR runs from two nodes now [15:30] schestowitz-TR and one is more verbose [15:30] schestowitz-TR one does the heavy lifting [15:30] schestowitz-TR best of both worlds [15:30] schestowitz-TR also, one is home-hosted [15:30] schestowitz-TR underpowered in the blockchains networked sense [15:30] schestowitz-TR has tiny pipes connecting it to the mrkle tree [15:30] schestowitz-TR *merkle [15:30] schestowitz-TR better than none at all though [15:30] schestowitz-TR DHT traffic can be criculated by it [15:30] schestowitz-TR mapping the route to the datacentre [15:33] schestowitz-TR I'm no systemd-free expert, BUT.. [15:33] schestowitz-TR I know more than most [15:33] schestowitz-TR Gentoo does not depend on systemd and it has a KDE Plasma5 desktop [15:33] schestowitz-TR so you know it is doable [15:33] schestowitz-TR but I don't know the process [15:33] schestowitz-TR Debian 10 with Plasma5, what rianne and I use (Debian 11 is only on our pis), is loaded with many systemd programs [15:33] schestowitz-TR it wopuld be nice is more debian devs started defecting to devuan [15:33] schestowitz-TR and in the process bury some of the bad reputation of late [15:33] schestowitz-TR iirc, they're binary-compatible??? [15:33] schestowitz-TR like, you can poind the repos elsewhere and it would retrieve the right things? [15:33] schestowitz-TR though it seems hard to believe if it looks for particular services [15:33] schestowitz-TR non-standard [15:33] schestowitz-TR afaik, the programs just make system calls [15:33] schestowitz-TR they don't make assumptions like systemd being there [15:35] Techrights-sec doable, for now, it depends on the trajectory the KDE developers are choosing [15:35] Techrights-sec Devuan mainly mirrors the Debian repositories, except for the specific [15:35] Techrights-sec packages which have been infected with systemd and have had to be replaced [15:35] Techrights-sec with modified versions [15:36] Techrights-sec libc6 is by far the most central dependency [15:36] Techrights-sec that's not much of a surprise though [15:41] schestowitz-TR many progs depend on something that depends on c [15:41] schestowitz-TR btw, jaromil is miles more porincipled than DPLs of recent years [15:41] schestowitz-TR the GRs process of Debian is based on the assumption modern "democracies" are based on [15:41] schestowitz-TR a) the voter is well oifnrormed [15:41] schestowitz-TR b) the voter is not funded by or WORKS for some company like Gulag [15:41] schestowitz-TR if you say Devuan makes life easier with reuse, then maybe there can be a fusion down the line [15:41] schestowitz-TR that accomplishes a multi-mophemism for Debian [15:41] schestowitz-TR like they had not just for archs but also Debian GNU/BSD [15:41] schestowitz-TR except a systemd-free version [15:41] schestowitz-TR for multiple archs [15:41] schestowitz-TR jaromil wants to think devuan will be adopted by debian at least as an option [15:41] schestowitz-TR then the user can actuallyh decice and I sense many would opt for the non-systemd download [15:41] schestowitz-TR red hat and microsoft both flounder anyway [15:41] schestowitz-TR 2030: github removes systemd for lack of activity ;-0 (poking fun by gitLAB) [15:41] Techrights-sec a) has been made impossible through decades of slashed educational budgets, [15:41] Techrights-sec media consolidation, and social control media [15:43] schestowitz-TR if it's of any solace, as I noted a few times in irc today, social control media has a trend [15:43] schestowitz-TR a [15:43] schestowitz-TR shapr downward trned [15:43] schestowitz-TR the whole lot [15:43] schestowitz-TR even mastodom and diaspora [15:43] schestowitz-TR people lost interest [15:43] schestowitz-TR and it'\s reverse network effect [15:43] schestowitz-TR my friends left [15:43] schestowitz-TR I get not much engagement anymore [15:43] schestowitz-TR maybe I too should focus on IRL [15:43] schestowitz-TR IRL friends, not 'friends' [15:44] Techrights-sec good, social control media is far too destructive for society and, specifically, [15:44] Techrights-sec for democracy. There is no safe level of exposure, and those goes double for [15:44] Techrights-sec individual health and well-being. [15:44] Techrights-sec s/those/that/ [15:47] schestowitz-TR you also know DDG feels the pinch now [15:47] schestowitz-TR Startpage you hardly hear of anymore [15:47] schestowitz-TR yesterday while shaving I found a 30-min video about an article I wrote about them [15:47] schestowitz-TR the guy who made it also assumed DDG was "privacy" [15:47] schestowitz-TR lots of paid-for endorsements (lies) [15:47] schestowitz-TR and he was a Linux guy [15:47] schestowitz-TR Tor, Mint, Qute Browser... Microsoft pays them via DDG... to lie to us and spread our legs/buttcheecks [15:47] schestowitz-TR with "bands"... hashtags... reminds me of how slack misappropirated "slackware" [15:47] schestowitz-TR DDG: we're all GEEKS.... or... a front group for the anti-geeks company [15:47] Techrights-sec there was name confusion there and I am 100% sure that it was the main reason [15:47] Techrights-sec it rode to popularity. Managers, knowing nothing, would ask their staff [15:47] Techrights-sec what do they think of "Slack" and of course they would respond positively [15:47] Techrights-sec without realizing they were talking of two different things [15:53] Techrights-sec DDG is trying to spin its way out of its current situation [15:57] schestowitz now down to nearly 8.xx% http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/turkey-windows/ [15:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | When Windows is Down to 9% market Share | Techrights ● Aug 09 [16:01] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/Dewix888/status/1556951125349253122#m [16:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DM (@Dewix888): "That perception of lack of professionalism was promoted by Microsoft as a means delegitimizing Linux & OSS as a whole. http://techrights.org/2019/11/09/christian-ude-on-microsoft/"|nitter.it [16:01] schestowitz-TR does the xml feed of TM gemini need a lot more work? [16:01] schestowitz-TR I saw that in git [16:02] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/yuhong2/status/1556837830109777920#m [16:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Yuhong Bao (@yuhong2): "Did you just crawl it or did you have to ask Techrights for permission?"|nitter.it [16:03] schestowitz-TR Microsoft troll/shill [16:14] Techrights-sec Google ads? [16:14] Techrights-sec oh [16:14] schestowitz-TR shane put some google ads in 2006 [16:14] schestowitz-TR and this Microsoft troll keeps bringing this up even in 2022 [16:14] schestowitz-TR ignore, I'm pretty sure he's connected to Microsoft [16:14] schestowitz-TR he also trolled out IRC channels several times [16:14] schestowitz-TR but esp. comments [16:15] Techrights-sec both nitter feeds were from a-holes [16:17] schestowitz-TR I did not even check the context, it's like doomscrolling [16:17] schestowitz-TR a waste of time with shilling, falsehoods etc. [16:17] schestowitz-TR the bill gates critics are banned already [16:23] schestowitz-TR we wrote about him before, sod that, not worth the time ;-) [16:23] schestowitz-TR anyway, I realise we're not building the two sites in parallel, having added ipfs and went on from there [16:23] schestowitz-TR rianne does not want to download a gemini client to check tuxmachines [16:23] schestowitz-TR she thinks it's for geeks, fair enough I guess [16:30] schestowitz-TR just scanned gemini logs for TM, seems there are quite a few IPs and there are over 1k requests [16:30] schestowitz-TR the reason I ask about a feed is, this can be submitted to capcom [16:30] schestowitz-TR then the capsule gains some more visibility [16:30] schestowitz-TR the feeds aid efficient crawling [16:31] Techrights-sec It is possible to make an Atom feed for Gemini but the scripts options [16:31] Techrights-sec need to be reworked to make sense. There are four choices http+atom, http+dl [16:31] Techrights-sec gemini+atom, gemini+gemtext [16:31] Techrights-sec checking [16:34] schestowitz-TR tmix a -t logs on root@tm-new [16:34] schestowitz-TR *tmux [16:34] schestowitz-TR oh, I have just noticed nodes created by rianne do not show up in gemini, only mine [16:34] schestowitz-TR surely some permission issue [16:34] schestowitz-TR marius too needs that have that perm [16:34] schestowitz-TR as he will likely start posting in the new site soon [16:34] schestowitz-TR I was thinking last night how to prevent posting of new nodes in the old site [16:34] schestowitz-TR one option is drupal permissions [16:34] schestowitz-TR nobody but admin can add new nodes [16:34] schestowitz-TR or modify any [16:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:39] Techrights-sec checking permissions for Gemini on tm-new [16:39] Techrights-sec is she using the shell script wrappers and not the raw perl scripts? [16:40] schestowitz-TR I think I got further insight now [16:40] schestowitz-TR it's not that she cannot create these files [16:40] schestowitz-TR they show up in the index [16:40] schestowitz-TR but not accessible, I think, until it's me running a refresh [16:40] schestowitz-TR afaik, she runs things the same way as me [16:43] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:43] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:46] schestowitz gemini://geminispace.info/newest-hosts [16:47] schestowitz "2022-08-07: gemini.tuxmachines.org" [16:47] schestowitz \0/ [16:47] Techrights-sec ok the default permissions, in the ACL, for the group were off, EXT ACLs are [16:47] Techrights-sec too complicated for what they do. It's sad that it has not improved over [16:47] Techrights-sec the decades. [16:47] Techrights-sec Anyway, she has write access now. [16:47] Techrights-sec I hope, now I have to figure out the right notes to add. [16:47] schestowitz-TR I was just about to give more debug info/steps to reproduce, but you've fixed it [16:47] schestowitz-TR good stuff [16:50] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [16:51] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:55] schestowitz-TR so now you revceive push notifications for gemini updates you can check with ncurses/amfora [16:55] schestowitz-TR I've note caught up fully with my feeds yet [16:55] schestowitz-TR trying to make time for "projects" [16:55] schestowitz-TR and today was super-productive so far [16:55] schestowitz-TR soon the crawlkers, like lupa, will reach TM [16:55] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 09 [17:00] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml [17:03] schestowitz-TR excellent! I'm trying to think how to improve the front page, should I add some static pages or not yet? [17:03] schestowitz-TR maybe a link to the XML, too? [17:03] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:06] schestowitz-TR looking at the diff... [17:06] *Noisytoot has quit (connection closed) [17:06] Techrights-sec that is the XML feed [17:07] schestowitz-TR No Microsoft/Windows/Apple/Mac sites in Geminispace [17:07] schestowitz-TR W-E focuses on Wikipedia, WWW, and bribed officials [17:07] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:11] Techrights-sec for now. the world need to take as much advantage of that lead as it can [17:20] schestowitz-TR conman (conner) writes about osUx sometimes [17:20] schestowitz-TR but he seldom write anything, usually just one para [17:20] schestowitz-TR a lot of gemini "content" us UNIX and GNU/Linux... IPFS... Gemini itself [17:20] schestowitz-TR DeVault complained, but Techrights actually produces a lot in Gemini that's not about Gemini [17:20] schestowitz-TR I've checked latency for the gemini:// requests and https proxy [17:20] schestowitz-TR it's not too bad, even with throttling (iptables) and ipfs turned on [17:20] schestowitz-TR the capsule updates OK [17:20] schestowitz-TR with ipfs in the background [17:20] schestowitz-TR because you coded re-attempted for timeouts [17:20] schestowitz-TR I don't supposer many people run ipfs both froma vps and from home [17:20] schestowitz-TR just did a lot of stress-testing on the capsule [17:20] schestowitz-TR btw, "logs" session in TM-new is now split view for www and gemini [17:20] schestowitz-TR going to go upstairs now to explain the process better [17:20] schestowitz-TR in theory the gemproxy of techrights.org could be modified to permit gemini.tm as well [17:21] schestowitz-TR but I realise it was custom-made for particular kinds of pages [17:35] Techrights-sec there is now a link to the Atom feed at the bottom of the Gemini index [17:35] Techrights-sec yes the proxy is custom made for the quirks present in TR and would not work [17:35] Techrights-sec well if at all with TM [17:35] schestowitz-TR rianne is already passing the mock exams very easily [17:35] Techrights-sec excellent [17:58] schestowitz-TR just showing her all the features of the capsule now [17:58] schestowitz-TR lagrange parses the xml correctly [17:58] schestowitz-TR the urls in the feed are page not found ^_^ [17:58] schestowitz-TR but I know it's not yet tested much [17:58] schestowitz-TR is my push going to be automatically pulled from TM? maybe you got notification of the change just now [17:58] Techrights-sec checking [17:58] Techrights-sec ok they work now ;) [17:58] Techrights-sec 6f740330b98e54b0facb4a6b6e45189a899539a6 ? [17:58] Techrights-sec bb1394dcaa6c40aa4a54707b38432d22b3f3d943 ? [17:58] Techrights-sec yes the notifications all come in while connected ● Aug 09 [18:00] schestowitz-TR 033 at the end [18:00] schestowitz-TR I've just tested the file updates ok, 50 past every hour [18:00] schestowitz-TR assuming the index itself updates [18:02] Techrights-sec see /home/git/hooks/update instead [18:02] Techrights-sec for Git [18:02] Techrights-sec and /usr/local/bin/refresh... for the gemtext [18:07] schestowitz-TR if I su - git [18:07] schestowitz-TR it drops me into interactive git mode [18:07] schestowitz-TR should I run update as root? tuxmachines? roy? [18:07] Techrights-sec the /home/git/hooks/update runs as Git when the repostitory gets changed [18:11] Techrights-sec su -c '/home/git/hooks/update' -s /bin/sh git [18:11] Techrights-sec would be one way to test it [18:11] Techrights-sec /usr/local/bin/refresh-site-from-db.sh gets run manually and [18:11] Techrights-sec should call all the related scripts etc [18:11] Techrights-sec for the XHTML and Gemtext documents [18:11] schestowitz-TR ok, so in that case, having just run it, I am guessing my push has not been incorporated into the bin dir [18:15] Techrights-sec oh. that transfer has to happen manually [18:15] Techrights-sec su -c 'cd /var/www/tuxmachines.org/; git pull origin master' -s /bin/sh git [18:15] Techrights-sec cp /var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl /usr/local/bin/ [18:15] Techrights-sec for example [18:23] schestowitz-TR I've pulled and then copied the file [18:23] schestowitz-TR it's not reachable, maybe copies with wrong permissions? [18:23] schestowitz-TR ok, fixed [18:23] schestowitz-TR with a second push [18:23] schestowitz-TR I think this one executable is not in the path [18:23] schestowitz-TR but nested under other executables [18:23] schestowitz-TR as autocomplete did not show it [18:30] schestowitz-TR lewis did an article about how azure made ddos far too east [18:30] schestowitz-TR never mind breaches [18:30] schestowitz-TR you can have like 100 million attempts at passwords each year [18:30] schestowitz-TR never mind the back doors [18:30] schestowitz-TR yesterday psydroid wrote about how, according to dutch media, 120 dental clinics shut down due to "ransomware" [18:30] schestowitz-TR obv. windos [18:44] Techrights-sec Windows TCO [18:44] Techrights-sec the media gloss over it, every time [18:44] schestowitz-TR satam says, man who pays for windows, loses all teeth [18:44] schestowitz-TR country that buys windows, becomes toothless [18:44] schestowitz-TR *satan [18:44] schestowitz-TR **satya nutella... as bnchs calls him [18:44] schestowitz-TR pointing this out is like kicking a puppy, chonchu know? [18:44] schestowitz-TR *donchu [18:45] Techrights-sec I don't get how M$ can have the gall to compare themselve to something either [18:45] Techrights-sec as small or as harmless as a puppy, as it has demonstrated every day for decades [18:45] Techrights-sec that it is neither [18:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:47] schestowitz-TR at that time James was already married to Sheela Microsoft [18:47] schestowitz-TR this puppy brings a big paycheck home [18:47] schestowitz-TR as "CHIEF REVENUE OFFICER" [18:47] schestowitz-TR whatever that iws [18:47] schestowitz-TR not CFO [18:47] Techrights-sec spotted yet another bug in the Gemini feed.xml :/ [18:47] schestowitz-TR "REVENUE OFFICER" [18:47] schestowitz-TR I pronnounce you, man and Microsoft ● Aug 09 [19:02] Techrights-sec it seems that 'type="text/html"' might be hardcoded in that module [19:03] schestowitz-TR maybe you can pass it through sed? [19:07] Techrights-sec no, there is more capability within the perl script, its just a question [19:07] Techrights-sec of how much time ought to be invested in a work-around how/if it could be [19:07] Techrights-sec fixed upstream [19:18] Techrights-sec The press consists of Murdoch and the cronies of Gates and the other politicians [19:18] schestowitz-TR I saw that [19:18] schestowitz-TR it's all partisan [19:18] schestowitz-TR "election deniers" [19:18] schestowitz-TR see my remarks in irc [19:18] schestowitz-TR this sort of press needs to die, in a fire... [19:20] schestowitz-TR --- [19:20] schestowitz-TR if the gates mansion got raided [19:20] schestowitz-TR the media would quote cranks and spin the whole thing as just conspiracy theries [19:20] schestowitz-TR and nothing to worry about [19:20] schestowitz-TR certainly a mistake [19:20] Techrights-sec yep the well has been poisoned quite in advance of such an eventuality [19:22] schestowitz-TR "people shout at me in the streets" [19:22] schestowitz-TR (billBC) [19:29] schestowitz-TR many layoffs [19:29] schestowitz-TR maybe some pre-emptive [19:29] schestowitz-TR like team leaders [19:29] schestowitz-TR I won't miss them [19:29] schestowitz-TR bad orgs need to fail and get scuttled [19:29] schestowitz-TR inc. LinuxToday in light of what it's doing this month [19:29] Techrights-sec Aren't there major resgnations going on at the BBC, or have I misread? [19:34] schestowitz-TR + # kludge for XML::Feed's hardcoded MIME Types [19:34] schestowitz-TR + # this is brittle [19:34] schestowitz-TR + my $f = $feed->as_xml; [19:34] schestowitz-TR + $f =~ s|^(\s*]+) (type="text/html")|$1 text="text/gemini"|gm; [19:34] schestowitz-TR + [19:34] schestowitz-TR + return($f); [19:34] schestowitz-TR } ● Aug 09 [21:16] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:19] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:21] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [21:22] *rianne_ (~rianne@x6gnqyt8r46u8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:22] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-kg8.cie.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [21:22] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@x6gnqyt8r46u8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:24] Techrights-sec yep, rather than spawning a shell and sed, the substitution occurs within perl [21:24] Techrights-sec script. More can be done later but for now that work-around changes the [21:24] Techrights-sec MIME Type [21:24] Techrights-sec re: linux today, see PXE from Comes v M$ about killing Mac conferences [21:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 09 [22:14] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qugredkh34fs8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:29] schestowitz-TR This post is about Microsoft and about Windows. But it does not mention either "Microsoft" or "Windows". Typical CISA. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/09/cisa-adds-two-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [22:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds Two Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA [22:43] *britney has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Aug 09 [23:45] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:49] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)