●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, November 09, 2022 ●● ● Nov 09 [00:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4kb9ji7tv5hkk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [01:31] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:34] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6adq2i74bns2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [02:05] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 09 [03:14] schestowitz-TR Most of these are Microsoft Windows, but CISA fails to say so https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/11/08/cisa-adds-seven-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [03:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds Seven Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA [03:15] schestowitz-TR currently testing hypothesis about load and ram usage as culprits in system crashes [03:15] schestowitz-TR just testing that possibility [03:28] Techrightssec fwiw: http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/accounting-fraud-short-term-vision/ [03:28] Techrightssec where is the link pointing to the 80% drop in MSFT share prices? [03:28] Techrightssec The headline makes that assertyion but it is not backed up in the body [03:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsofts Accounting Fraud and the Clown Computing Bubble Will Make It the Next Facebook (Share Price Collapsed by 80%) | Techrights [03:28] schestowitz-TR FDB share price [03:28] schestowitz-TR *FB [03:32] Techrightssec Ok the headline is wrong then, since it says MSFT is down 80% and the article [03:32] Techrightssec focuses on m$ all the way through. [03:32] Techrightssec Running out of both RAM and swap should only kill userland processes first [03:32] Techrightssec if I understand correctly. [03:33] schestowitz-TR I read my headlines 5 time and did not think it would be confusing [03:33] schestowitz-TR will correct... [03:33] schestowitz-TR re "vonick" crashes, let me observe a bit more [03:33] schestowitz-TR I run it in a more "minimalist" mode atm and check the behaviour [03:34] schestowitz-TR I think a priority atm is figuring out the root cause [03:34] Techrightssec Thanks [03:45] Techrightssec How small is the swap file? [03:45] Techrightssec In comparison how much RAM is there? [03:45] Techrightssec Is there a core dump with the crash? [03:45] schestowitz-TR 8gn and 8gb [03:45] Techrightssec ack [03:46] schestowitz-TR lately quiterss started eating up vastly more ram and I am not sure why [03:46] schestowitz-TR not a linear increase [03:46] schestowitz-TR i thought I got this under control in the attention sense [03:46] schestowitz-TR but this is one theory I have anyway [03:46] schestowitz-TR though it's probably not that [03:47] Techrightssec QuiteRSS locks up very frequently, not sure what triggers it but I have to [03:47] Techrightssec quit and save very often to keep using it. [03:47] Techrightssec Anyway, is swap filling up prior to the crashes? [03:47] Techrightssec free -m [03:51] Techrightssec or sar [03:51] Techrightssec or vmstat [03:51] Techrightssec in a loop redirecting to a file [03:51] schestowitz-TR thanks! [03:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:56] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:57] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [04:07] Techrightssec np [04:12] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:23] schestowitz-TR thanks for your patience [04:23] schestowitz-TR anyway, I may soon have to shuffle around machines and alter workflows [04:23] schestowitz-TR that's always a difficult task except when you look back whereupon it seems "obvious" [04:23] schestowitz-TR optimisations are simple only in hindsight ● Nov 09 [05:15] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:38] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 09 [06:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:53] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:53] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@cs3knem7fb75w.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [07:22] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [08:08] schestowitz-TR Academics strike as wage theft spreads, uni executive salaries soar - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/academics-strike-as-wage-theft-spreads-uni-executive-salaries-soar/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/academics-strike-as-wage-theft-spreads-uni-executive-salaries-soar/ [08:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-michaelwest.com.au | Academics strike as wage theft spreads, uni executive salaries soar - Michael West [08:20] schestowitz-TR tech is moving faster with the economic conditions arm [08:20] schestowitz-TR *atm [08:20] schestowitz-TR as companies that were never viable simply perish [08:20] schestowitz-TR I wonder what replaces some of them [08:20] schestowitz-TR maybe nothing [08:36] Techrightssec Hopefully those that wash out are not replaced by other scams but then [08:36] Techrightssec you have loads of "angel investors" with money burning holes in their pockets [08:36] Techrightssec around to force bad ideas afloat long enough to bail via an IPO [08:44] schestowitz-TR run and geese in a min [08:44] schestowitz-TR bbl [08:44] schestowitz-TR PC stable so far, will assume the worst at all times [08:46] Techrightssec ack [08:54] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Nov 09 [09:17] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 09 [10:02] *psydruid has quit (Quit: Gateway shutdown) [10:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:11] schestowitz-TR testing to see if I can be in several network at the same time in mumble [10:12] schestowitz-TR seems not [10:12] Techrightssec ok [10:12] Techrightssec I think you'd need separate instances of the client for that [10:23] schestowitz-TR based on logs, I think I can see a correlation between nvme errors and times that the PC gives up [10:23] schestowitz-TR although not every instance results in it [10:23] schestowitz-TR so far today everything got "Corrected" [10:23] schestowitz-TR but I can at least start to point the finger at that [10:24] schestowitz-TR ok, now always on top in all desktops I have tail -f grep for drive warnings [10:24] schestowitz-TR so maybe I can be forwarned [10:25] schestowitz-TR I also want to be able to correlate activity with errors of this kind [10:25] schestowitz-TR like, what triggers this more [10:34] Techrightssec ack ● Nov 09 [11:01] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:43] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:45] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-h9f.0s5.s7a581.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:48] schestowitz-TR thanks for Links [11:48] schestowitz-TR hypotheis: LF not writing much, and there is a reason [11:48] schestowitz-TR how to prove/method: show lack of output [11:48] schestowitz-TR reason: cannot prove reason without insiders leaking out info [11:52] schestowitz-TR ok, seems no blog posts in nearly 20 days [11:52] schestowitz-TR but... I think they also broke their RSS feeds [11:52] schestowitz-TR investigating a bit... [11:55] schestowitz-TR omg, they breoke rss [11:55] schestowitz-TR moved away from wordpress, I think [11:55] schestowitz-TR I want to find "Generators" [11:55] schestowitz-TR maybe they moved to proprietary ● Nov 09 [12:08] Techrightssec ack [12:13] schestowitz-TR draft [12:13] schestowitz-TR (still in progress, no preview yet) [12:13] schestowitz-TR maybe you can double-check the claims [12:13] schestowitz-TR if true, it is a BIG deal [12:13] Techrightssec ack [12:13] Techrightssec They're still self-hosted: https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinux.com [12:13] Techrightssec but here they are using "hubspot": [12:13] Techrightssec https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https://www.linuxfoundation.org [12:13] Techrightssec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HubSpot [12:13] Techrightssec "freemium" [12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://linux.com | Netcraft [12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://www.linuxfoundation.org | Netcraft [12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | HubSpot - Wikipedia [12:13] schestowitz-TR they are only sort of self-hosted [12:13] schestowitz-TR i forgot the details [12:13] schestowitz-TR but they use CF of fastly [12:13] schestowitz-TR or some cdn that is proprietary [12:13] schestowitz-TR so they hide behind something else [12:13] schestowitz-TR last I checked [12:14] schestowitz-TR no iis yet ;-) [12:14] Techrightssec "freemium" [12:14] Techrightssec linux.com is encumbered by cloudflare [12:14] schestowitz-TR fixed some typos [12:14] schestowitz-TR way back in the days we had real press that reported such "small" changes [12:14] schestowitz-TR now, at least, someone might "TWEET" about it ● Nov 09 [13:17] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:17] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Nov 09 [14:07] schestowitz-TR (productive so far today; also no icidents; got a few potential topics, aiming to have 4 in total before [14:07] schestowitz-TR recording) ● Nov 09 [16:10] *matteobin (~matteobin@kj2tm25anmbqs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:11] *matteobin has quit (Quit: leaving) ● Nov 09 [17:04] schestowitz-TR fb 11k layoffs [17:04] schestowitz-TR (just in) [17:08] psydruid excellent news [17:08] psydruid the job won't be done until every employee is gone [17:20] schestowitz-TR zuck will shut down the lights [17:34] Techrightssec Yes there are multiple articles about FB layoffs. How much did they padd [17:34] Techrightssec the staffing last year though? If the size is the same as two years ago [17:34] Techrightssec then there was really no net loss if the extra people recently added were [17:34] Techrightssec fired. So it may be just for show. [17:34] Techrightssec Hire'em to be able to fire'em and give the illusion of 'downsizing' which [17:34] Techrightssec would pump the stock prices. [17:34] schestowitz-TR we reckon it's first wave of several [17:34] schestowitz-TR maybe 11k x 3 [17:37] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:37] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:38] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [17:38] *rianne_ (~rianne@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:38] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-r9p.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [17:39] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uax6j9r5apawe.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:39] *liberty_box (~liberty@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:40] schestowitz-TR almost 24 hours now, without crash [17:40] schestowitz-TR it is encouraging as I was worried the gaps between crashes decreased only [17:40] schestowitz-TR I can see a few storage-related things in syslog in real time [17:40] schestowitz-TR I cannot correlate them to any particular activity [17:41] schestowitz-TR rianne speaks to cousin on mumble now [17:41] schestowitz-TR it's very good for multi-person chats [17:41] schestowitz-TR like with gemini, the hard part is helping people install and use a client [17:46] Techrightssec ack [17:46] Techrightssec The Mumble client also has noise cancellation for VistaX and GNU/Linux versions. [17:46] Techrightssec That is important to have turned on in systems without headsets. [17:48] schestowitz-TR right, yes, we are still adjusting that [17:48] schestowitz-TR some trial and error [17:48] schestowitz-TR and setting thresholds [17:48] schestowitz-TR I really should re-invoke the wizard [17:48] schestowitz-TR rianne uses the headset that has long been broken just for its microphone [17:48] schestowitz-TR because her build-in mic never semed to work well at alkl [17:48] schestowitz-TR maybe defective [17:49] schestowitz-TR te headphones she uses at the moment is some old set I had 20+ years ago, IIRC [17:49] schestowitz-TR only one side works, but that is how she uses them anyway [17:49] schestowitz-TR we try to use things unless they have no value left [17:49] schestowitz-TR even old clothes become rugs [17:50] Techrightssec [17:50] Techrightssec Ok. As long as headphones are used. [17:51] schestowitz-TR no, laptop speakers are used [17:51] schestowitz-TR so the microphone needs to be distanced physically [17:51] schestowitz-TR I think with phones there is a lot of capability to deal with microphone and speaker phone [17:51] schestowitz-TR as there was lots of demand for it [17:51] schestowitz-TR maybe even the on-chip DSP does it at hardware level [17:51] Techrightssec :/ ● Nov 09 [18:35] schestowitz-TR I am looking for a few more topics [18:35] schestowitz-TR have not seen any url yet on fblayoffs [18:35] schestowitz-TR someone posted the original from liarberg [18:35] schestowitz-TR but that's not much to "go by" [18:39] schestowitz-TR Can you smell the smoke where there is fire? [18:39] schestowitz-TR if there a very obvious and odourous lie passing across the media atm? [18:39] schestowitz-TR like, obv. fake storytelling? [18:40] Techrightssec the influx of people from Twitter will be somewhat similar to [18:40] Techrightssec the September That Never Ended in terms of problems brought in to the [18:40] Techrightssec Fediverse. The lessons learned from The September That Never Ended [18:40] Techrightssec could well be applied both correctively and proactively [18:40] Techrightssec ^ topic ? [18:42] schestowitz-TR DT published a video about this hours ago [18:42] schestowitz-TR but I meant FB as that is the latest [18:42] schestowitz-TR FB is also a much more menacing machine [18:42] schestowitz-TR social control media going away is historically important (if that happens fully) [18:42] Techrightssec His take was lacking in quite a few ways. Though I guess you and him are both [18:43] Techrightssec the same generation and missed the hey days of Usenet, pre-spam, pre-AOL [18:44] schestowitz-TR the qeuivalent that he used was gnu/linux [18:44] schestowitz-TR and what happens when 'n00bs' come over and try to change it [18:44] schestowitz-TR to suit their interests and they are the large numbers [18:44] schestowitz-TR like canonical with snaps and omg!ubuntu [18:47] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:52] Techrightssec It would not be reasonable or appropriate for all people from Twitter to [18:52] Techrightssec settle into the Fediverse, or at least not into the first instance they [18:52] Techrightssec happen to log into. However, the Fediverse could do well and has it in its own [18:52] Techrightssec interest to try to steer people to the relevant instances where they would have [18:52] Techrightssec the greatest chance at integration. That has to be accompanied by orientation. [18:52] Techrightssec The mistake that Usenet made was not taking into account that the community [18:52] Techrightssec was outnumbered by the noobs and thus the traditional approach of letting [18:52] Techrightssec time grind off the rough edges would no longer work. Same for the Fediverse [18:52] Techrightssec and excessive application ofthe ban hammer helps no one, not even the instance [18:53] Techrightssec doing the banning. Most people could probablly be sorted into an appropriate [18:53] Techrightssec instance where they could thrive and benefit the comminity through their [18:53] Techrightssec interaction. A very tiny few could even be motivated to set up their own [18:53] Techrightssec servers, just like Leenode's implosion lead to an increase in independent [18:53] Techrightssec IRC networks. However, running a Fediverse server of any kind neither scales [18:53] Techrightssec nor is a reasonable amount of work even when just looking at the technical side [18:53] Techrightssec and not taking into account the sheparding needed. See: [18:53] Techrightssec https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ [18:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Hey Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run The Content Moderation Learning Curve | Techdirt [18:53] Techrightssec for the non-technical side(s) [18:55] schestowitz-TR from his video that I saw, DT gave up on distro.toot now so much due to the admin [18:55] schestowitz-TR requirements [18:55] schestowitz-TR but moderation and babysitting [18:55] schestowitz-TR which then expands to CROSS-instance bickering [18:55] schestowitz-TR "I'll block you instance if you don't ban X for Y" [18:55] schestowitz-TR you'd have to be a noob not to first consider what it means to set up [18:55] schestowitz-TR some "hello world" and then wiring it with others' [18:55] schestowitz-TR RSS is not the same [18:55] schestowitz-TR because the polling is relaying directly to individuals [18:55] schestowitz-TR planets are a thorny issue [18:55] schestowitz-TR you have to suck up to a bunch of "can't code but I have brown shits" [18:56] Techrightssec Yes there is a f-ton of bullying going on between instances. [18:56] Techrightssec Yep [18:56] Techrightssec and there are many wearing brown shirts of various cuts. [18:59] schestowitz-TR for me, personally (I alwats say "i" in this article), the real solution is, [18:59] schestowitz-TR abandon those platforms [18:59] schestowitz-TR don't plead for people to use the "lesser s*" [18:59] schestowitz-TR liberate them from all the s* [18:59] schestowitz-TR but that's just me [18:59] schestowitz-TR based on my own experience [18:59] schestowitz-TR "nobody will give a shit what you TWEETED at 2pm 12 years ago and the 12,000 "likes" it got" ● Nov 09 [19:00] schestowitz-TR -hypothetical stuff i could say [19:00] schestowitz-TR if your book sells 100,000 copies, or 100k download it from the Web/p2p, [19:00] schestowitz-TR that's a lot more "access" than a tweeet with 10 words and 1 emoji [19:00] schestowitz-TR that will be offline years later [19:00] Techrightssec Yes, abandoning all forms of social control media is probably the optimal [19:00] Techrightssec solution but the above points still stand especially as it might take some [19:00] Techrightssec time and several iterations for many of the public to come to the conclusion [19:00] Techrightssec It's not about communication it is about dopamine [19:01] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:04] Techrightssec again social control media is about addiction and farming behaviors from useds [19:04] Techrightssec not about actual communication. If communication were a factor, then [19:04] Techrightssec algorithmic sorting would be unplugged and chronological sorting restored [19:06] schestowitz-TR there are competing interests [19:06] schestowitz-TR 1) advertisers (maximise screen time) [19:06] schestowitz-TR 2) useds (give them what they want, inform them) [19:06] schestowitz-TR twitter hardly ever made a profit [19:07] schestowitz-TR even after it prioritised (1), as YouTube does morw and more each month [19:07] schestowitz-TR spamnil hardly makes videos anymore [19:07] schestowitz-TR but still sends his bots to cheat [19:07] schestowitz-TR imagine today I saw one video dated 3.5 weeks ago with 9 views [19:07] schestowitz-TR he forgot to to 'bot the shit out of it' [19:07] Techrightssec AFAIK it only made a profit one or two quarters and has been losing millions [19:07] Techrightssec per month the rest of the time [19:20] schestowitz-TR it made a profit briefly while milking off trump to become the warzone [19:20] schestowitz-TR and when shutting out third parties/apis around august 2018 (iirc)( [19:20] schestowitz-TR to shift from useds (2) to REAL CUSTOMER (1) [above] [19:20] schestowitz-TR brb [19:20] schestowitz-TR rianne finished call ● Nov 09 [20:12] Techrightssec ack ● Nov 09 [22:21] *techrights_guest|60 (~d4662163@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:22] *techrights_guest|60 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Nov 09 [23:22] *techrights_guest|96 (~b13697be@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:23] *techrights_guest|96 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:25] *techrights_guest|60 (~b9bbf3b2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:32] *techrights_guest|60 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [23:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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