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It's not emoji, it's fairly widely supported unicode and I tested with a few clients/browsers. regarding rms, it's about bill gates. [11:32] Techrights-sec Most of the new symbols added do not render on amfora. [11:32] Techrights-sec They show up as the weird squares. [11:32] Techrights-sec The small "log" one is interesting though. [11:32] Techrights-sec I am curious what the implications are for accessibility are, say [11:32] Techrights-sec with a screen reader. I don't have one set up here. [11:33] schestowitz amphora works for me with all those symbols. Which terminal/OS are you on? openbsd? [11:33] schestowitz *amfora [11:34] Techrights-sec XFCE4term on UBuntu 21.04 [11:34] Techrights-sec :( [11:34] Techrights-sec XFCE4 is nice but Ubuntu is not my first choice. However, some non-technical [11:34] Techrights-sec constraints require it. [11:34] schestowitz I use xfce on one of my dual-head laptops and it's used to test some gemini stuff and display tmux [11:36] Techrights-sec terminus does not like the new unicode additions either [11:37] Techrights-sec nor does alacritty, but the squares are tidier [11:37] schestowitz Try "XFCE Terminal". It look and behaves best for me. [11:38] schestowitz BTW, I was inspired by some high-profile capsules. I had spare time and decided to see how they enrich the experience somewhat. I can still think of further improvements and I pushed a few things (not all) to git [11:39] Techrights-sec xfce4-terminal is my main terminal these days, it does not render the new chars [11:39] Techrights-sec either [11:39] Techrights-sec Maybe it is XFCE4 or Ubuntu itself having the problems? [11:39] schestowitz sounds like an OS thing ● Jun 10 [12:02] Techrights-sec Gemini/gemini-main-index-template.sh [12:02] Techrights-sec My guess is that it would be better for screen readers that the unkown [12:02] Techrights-sec characters and emojis come after (to the right of) the normal text. [12:03] schestowitz initially I thought the same, but unlike a whole word encoded in unicode these are single chars. Also, I saw others doing the same. Some still do whole words with unicode -- a thing we dropped [12:06] Techrights-sec Maybe when I go back indoors I can try out a RPi and see if it has a [12:06] Techrights-sec built-in screen reader. [12:28] Techrights-sec I [12:28] Techrights-sec I've got Devuan on one but can swap out the card for a temporary system. [12:28] schestowitz we might want to ask a blind person [12:45] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 10 [13:02] Techrights-sec Probably the onus is on our part instead to find out what the established [13:02] Techrights-sec best practices are. This late in the game it is very likely documented [13:02] Techrights-sec somewhere. [13:04] schestowitz I am very eager to enhance the capsule by making it easier to navigate. I'm open to ideas of course and next time will ask you before making changed. I was thinking, how about we make the intro at the top a separate page? Also, we can make it closer in line with analogous www pages. [13:05] schestowitz (of course seeing growing traffic every month contributes to the motivation to enhance this capsule and invest more time in this) [13:08] Techrights-sec Yes, it is one of the more prominent Gemini capsules and that helps further [13:08] Techrights-sec the reach of the message of software freedom. [13:08] Techrights-sec As for the emojis: [13:08] Techrights-sec https://blog.easterseals.com/emojis-and-accessibility-the-dos-and-donts-of-including-emojis-in-texts-and-emails/ [13:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.easterseals.com | Emojis and Accessibility: The Dos and Donts of Including Emojis in Texts and Emails | Easterseals Blog [13:08] Techrights-sec https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/381-the-bad-design-behind-hawaii-s-missile-scare-internet-freedom-in-iran-and-more-1.4491385/loud [13:08] Techrights-sec ly-crying-face-your-cute-emojis-are-spoiling-social-media-for-blind-users-1.4491393 [13:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/381-the-bad-design-behind-hawaii-s-missile-scare-internet-freedom-in-iran-and-more-1.4491385/loud ) [13:08] schestowitz I intentionally chose NOT emoji Unicode [13:09] schestowitz as I can imagine some screen readers can also interpret them and, failing that, they're not critical either, as they have a descriptive text next to them [13:10] *xyz (~Bouba@unaffiliated/xyz) has joined #boycottnovell [13:10] Techrights-sec "Do put any important information before the emojis so well be more likely to hear them;" [13:10] Techrights-sec I figure a lot of the same principles apply due to /how/ they are used. [13:10] Techrights-sec The encoding is less important than the role. The characters are being [13:10] Techrights-sec used /as/ emojis. [13:11] schestowitz I suppose that all those fancy ascii thing at top of capsule is also a no-no then, but I saw many doing just that, along with unicode as fancy 'text' [13:13] schestowitz are you ok with me making subpages from the intro at the top? [13:15] Techrights-sec sure, what kind of subpages? [13:15] Techrights-sec The fancy ASCII art has already been removed at popular request, recall [13:15] Techrights-sec the updated post acknowledging the correction. [13:15] Techrights-sec (can't recall the URL though) [13:15] schestowitz FSF award winner [13:16] Techrights-sec I wonder if ANSII codes are allowed or even supported. :> [13:17] schestowitz I think we need to leap "STRAIGHT TO CONTENT" but also give something to click if you are new; no need to show it over and over again to regulars... [13:17] Techrights-sec An intro or about.gmi page linked from the main page would be nice. [13:18] schestowitz I think I'd like to add that also to the front page of www, which is a single file, which your mobile version of it (3 panes) [13:18] schestowitz but it needs to be written very carefully and thoughtfully as our vision changes a bit over time, focus as well [13:18] xyz WTF IS THIS SHIT? [13:19] schestowitz internal comms [13:19] xyz for what??? [13:19] schestowitz about our gemini capsue [13:19] schestowitz
  • [13:19] xyz sage [13:19] schestowitz
    What You Do after Work Shouldn't Cost You Your Job
    [13:19] schestowitz
    [13:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.counterpunch.org | What 12 Years as a Slave Taught Django - CounterPunch.org [13:19] schestowitz

    I hope she wins. Karening is gross. But its not your boss business.

    [13:19] schestowitz

    Amy Cooper became the object of an Internet two-minutes hate last year when she called 911 on a Black birdwatcher who asked her to leash her dog per the rules and told the police he was threatening her and her dog. Unfortunately for her, the guys cellphone video showed no such thing.

  • [13:19] schestowitz oops [13:19] schestowitz wrong paste [13:19] xyz PASTING 3 OR MORE LINES OF TEXT TO IRC (_)(_) [13:19] xyz IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF NETSPLITS, CUT ( ) [13:19] xyz IT OUT! YOU'RE DESTROYING THIS IRC NET ()() [13:19] xyz UZE A GODDAMN MUHFUQING PASTEBIN FFS!! (_) [13:20] schestowitz ok [13:22] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:22] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [13:28] schestowitz What happened in gemini://gemini.techrights.org/techbytes/index.gmi ? And why? I cannot figure it out, it's just this page... [13:41] schestowitz rerunning main cron fixed that issue, but I wonder how that happened in the first place. First time I see such a crease ironed out by rerun, no change to code. ● Jun 10 [14:12] schestowitz turns out xyz is just a bot https://wiki.znc.in/ZNC [14:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.znc.in | ZNC [14:13] schestowitz "You can find us in #znc on Libera.Chat. (New as of May 2021! Our old freenode channel got closed by the new freenode management...)" [14:13] schestowitz Oh, well... I can see why... [14:13] schestowitz "send pull requests on github" [14:13] schestowitz Microsoft proprietary software [14:21] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:84e9:7d25:fd3:4f27) has joined #boycottnovell [14:21] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 10 [15:04] xyz lol @ schestowitz [15:28] MinceR DDoS is more likely to cause netsplits than long pastes [15:36] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [15:36] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [15:38] xyz STFU MinceR You bastard! [15:41] MinceR lol [15:41] xyz :-D ● Jun 10 [16:05] schestowitz not sure if troll, bot, or both [16:05] schestowitz is "Botroll" a thing? ● Jun 10 [17:32] xyz we prefer the term trollbot [17:33] xyz like killbot, but less violent ● Jun 10 [18:40] *wallacer has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [18:42] *wallacer (~quassel@2001:bc8:1824:9a:cafe:babe:b00b:aa06) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 10 [19:18] Techrights-sec what was the date stamp on the malformed file? [19:18] Techrights-sec do the logs on the RPi have any errors? [19:18] Techrights-sec the cron job is just the one script. [19:18] Techrights-sec though it does call several sub-scripts [19:19] schestowitz I did not check log files ● Jun 10 [20:40] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:84e9:7d25:fd3:4f27) has joined #boycottnovell [20:40] *asusbox2 (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:84e9:7d25:fd3:4f27) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 10 [21:39] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [21:42] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [21:43] *asusbox has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:43] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c176:d957:3771:bf7f) has joined #boycottnovell [21:43] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [21:46] *asusbox has quit (Client Quit) [21:46] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [21:49] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [21:52] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:55] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c176:d957:3771:bf7f) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 10 [22:19] *asusbox2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:19] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [22:21] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [22:25] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [22:26] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [22:27] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:54] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [22:56] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:58] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) ● Jun 10 [23:11] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #boycottnovell [23:34] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [23:35] *asusbox has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [23:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [23:40] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)