●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 10, 2022 ●● ● Jul 10 [03:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@694jn9crwe8pa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [06:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [07:26] schestowitz-TR "From what I've seen, it's a pretty common belief across Geminispace and Gopherspace that social media is not healthy or good for people. I agree, and I've decided to write a little bit about my experience with social media." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1657427715 [07:47] Techrights-sec https://nitter.net/brau_ner/status/1545021335440687104 [07:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.net | Christian Brauner (@brau_ner): "After a long long time just talking about how to make this happen @pid_eins and I are finally on the same team. Very excited about having @blucaz around as well and we have another hire dear to my heart hopefully coming on board later this year."|nitter [07:51] schestowitz-TR this confirmed it, but what is the significance? [07:52] schestowitz-TR I mean, OK, let me put it like this: [07:52] schestowitz-TR in irc I asked, what's the background story [07:52] schestowitz-TR , did he leave, [07:52] schestowitz-TR was he pushed? [07:52] schestowitz-TR what is the plan? [07:52] schestowitz-TR very few details [07:52] schestowitz-TR those details do matter [07:52] schestowitz-TR and phoronix was just a bunch of microsoft platitudes [07:52] schestowitz-TR no substance [07:52] schestowitz-TR the only new thing was his headline [07:52] schestowitz-TR I've decided to release the post about career in my PERSONAL bloga [07:52] schestowitz-TR and then post a lot of chaff to 'hide' it from 'Amish' colleagues [07:52] schestowitz-TR who will probably never see it, just as they don't know what IRC is [07:52] Techrights-sec https://nitter.net/brau_ner/status/1545021335440687104 [07:52] Techrights-sec that's also affecting LXC / LXD [07:52] Techrights-sec yes there are no details about what is going on; they seem to be holding [07:52] Techrights-sec their cards close to their chest as far as that goes, for now; [07:52] Techrights-sec the ad hominems against anyone displeased with systemd are increasing though [07:53] schestowitz-TR I just call it Microsoft systemd [07:53] schestowitz-TR and that alone can help put people off [07:53] schestowitz-TR I keep getting insulted for not condemning it strongly ENOUGH [07:53] schestowitz-TR (you know by who) [07:54] Techrights-sec ack [07:54] Techrights-sec one of the reasons it got any traction at all was they were very effective [07:54] Techrights-sec at brigading any who failed to toe the line; that applied not just to verbal [07:54] Techrights-sec attacks online but in ostracizing people within project and sometimes even [07:54] Techrights-sec getting them kicked out or forced to quit [07:55] schestowitz-TR referring to themselves as "team" [07:55] schestowitz-TR not cult [07:55] schestowitz-TR in twitter I also got called names for questioning systemd [07:55] schestowitz-TR or bemoaning bugs [07:55] schestowitz-TR or saying it was breaking things for me personally [07:55] schestowitz-TR woirds like "neckbeards" [07:58] Techrights-sec (btw GNOME is getting a big handout from M$) [07:58] Techrights-sec m$ definitely is a cult [07:58] Techrights-sec yes, that in twitter was part of the ongoing brigading; anything other than [07:58] Techrights-sec praise for systemd resulted in piling onto the writer with lots and lots [07:58] Techrights-sec of personal attacks, so as to completely dodge the technical aspects and [07:58] Techrights-sec to derail any technical discussion immediately [07:58] Techrights-sec all systemd has going for it, and all it ever had going for it, was the [07:58] Techrights-sec coordinated ad hominem attacks and the appeal to novely fallacy [07:58] Techrights-sec Upstart was an init system. systemd was not and is not an init system [07:58] Techrights-sec but as we see now, it is only about a power grab [07:59] schestowitz-TR decom-d [07:59] schestowitz-TR maybe that's what the d stands for [07:59] schestowitz-TR anyway, with the LP move the debates will change [07:59] schestowitz-TR and ad hom will be far less effective ● Jul 10 [08:00] Techrights-sec the debates must change now, but so far only a few distros are in any sort [08:00] Techrights-sec of a good position and even they are a bit weak due to the amount of [08:00] Techrights-sec effort which must be wasted to clean packages from gratuitous systemd dependencies [08:00] Techrights-sec x https://github.com/microsoft/foss-fund [08:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-GitHub - microsoft/foss-fund: The Microsoft FOSS Fund provides a direct way for Microsoft engineers to participate in the nomination and selection process to help communities and projects they are passionate about. 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[08:01] schestowitz-TR "Then they fight you" < - we are here [08:01] schestowitz-TR we need just a few distros to remove systemd [08:01] schestowitz-TR and then others can branch off them [08:01] schestowitz-TR maybe now these efforts will be boosted [08:01] schestowitz-TR or maybe BSDs will gain a bit [08:01] schestowitz-TR but BSDs too are under attack from Microsoft [08:01] schestowitz-TR the same attacks as those against Linux [08:01] schestowitz-TR starting with bribes into key orgs [08:05] Techrights-sec true but it is more complex than that, systemd is not just one thing [08:05] Techrights-sec and distros are comprised of packages and the fight is now at the package [08:05] Techrights-sec maintainer level; [08:05] Techrights-sec Debian is a key organization and has been broken and, AFIAK, quite infiltrated [08:05] Techrights-sec Upon it hang hundreds of derivative distros, both directly and indirectly [08:05] schestowitz-TR same as tor, which now puts microsoft in the tor browse, after taking microsoft money (DDG) [08:05] schestowitz-TR debian took MS money via SPI for several years [08:05] Techrights-sec If the Tor Project is taking dodgy money they ought to approach Brave instead [08:14] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:23] Techrights-sec https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55103-lennart-poettering-quits-red-hat [08:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Lennart Poettering quits Red Hat [08:23] schestowitz I put that in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166960#comment-34284 yesterday [08:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Still Attacking From the Inside | Tux Machines [08:25] Techrights-sec ack [08:25] schestowitz-TR Entering Phase Two of Life https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/phase-two-of-life/ [08:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Entering Phase Two of Life [08:25] schestowitz-TR now I will add some chaff [08:25] schestowitz-TR for the Amish not to notice, just to be sure... [08:30] Techrights-sec checking [08:30] Techrights-sec otr: biden promoting terrorism and intolerance: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3551155-bidens-wish-muslims-celebrating-eid-al-adha-a-joyous-holiday/ [08:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thehill.com | Bidens wish Muslims celebrating Eid al-Adha a joyous holiday | The Hill [08:31] schestowitz-TR I thought it would be a link about him bailing out Microsoft again :-) [08:31] schestowitz-TR anyway, remember what the lectures of lessig say about "lean to the green" [08:31] schestowitz-TR it's not about morality but about money/oil... and oil, did I mention oil? [08:31] schestowitz-TR Oil is Freedom(TM) [08:33] schestowitz-TR ---- [08:34] schestowitz-TR re the above, I'm not allowed to speak >TO COLLEAGUES< about it, except spouse [08:34] schestowitz-TR but my blog is not colleagues [08:34] schestowitz-TR I don't think separating people and gagging them is moral [08:34] schestowitz-TR it's like an anti-union tactic, akin to NDA [08:34] schestowitz-TR obv. part of HR's trick [08:34] schestowitz-TR they advice how to avoid paying severence fees [08:34] schestowitz-TR hence I sniffed around a bit [08:34] schestowitz-TR so far nobody has fallen for the honey traps [08:34] schestowitz-TR I once dated a girl who was put on garden leave [08:34] schestowitz-TR I cannot recall the reasons [08:35] Techrights-sec interesting constraint, is it an enforceable constrait / legal or is it a lie [08:35] Techrights-sec they tell ? [08:35] Techrights-sec HR is an opponent; they are there to protect the company against the employees [08:35] Techrights-sec it's like an anti-union: coordinated defense and even attacks against the [08:35] Techrights-sec workers [08:36] schestowitz-TR it is worth them the money if you consider how much severence is at stake [08:36] schestowitz-TR I play my cards carefully here, with words [08:36] schestowitz-TR I will add chaff soon [08:40] Techrights-sec ack [08:50] schestowitz-TR thanks for the advice on this [08:50] schestowitz-TR I think I'm done frnakly [08:50] schestowitz-TR rms resigned aged 30 at mit [08:50] schestowitz-TR for me it'll be 40 [08:50] Techrights-sec np [08:50] schestowitz-TR time to do my own projects, maybe overdue, too [08:50] schestowitz-TR (job lost the element of pride last year, 2 years after the bullying) [08:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jul 10 [09:02] schestowitz-TR NHS Breaking Its Promise in Order to Help COVID-19 Spread While Were Blindfolded https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/nhs-numbers-4pm-next-week-but-never-mind/ [09:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive NHS Breaking Its Promise in Order to Help COVID-19 Spread While Were Blindfolded [09:05] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:05] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [10:05] schestowitz-TR two more posts and the sensitive one is below front page threshold [10:05] schestowitz-TR after that daily links, cleaning all rss feeds, rianne hair dye [10:05] schestowitz-TR I already feel a lot more liberated [10:06] schestowitz-TR even if I still work full time [10:06] schestowitz-TR maybe till sept. [10:06] schestowitz-TR with the departing gift i think we can reach 55 ok, then use pensions [10:06] schestowitz-TR no kids [10:06] Techrights-sec ack [10:06] Techrights-sec the one post is just a chart [10:06] schestowitz-TR the goal of thes eposts is chaff/flak [10:09] schestowitz-TR kids cost increased 10% or so this past year [10:09] schestowitz-TR iirc, food and energy are consumed more by teens thasn grown-ups [10:09] schestowitz-TR esp. boys, for food [10:09] schestowitz-TR my mom used to joke(ish) about how much feeding me had cost [10:09] schestowitz-TR growing kids consume more than adults [10:10] Techrights-sec ack [10:11] schestowitz-TR babies are most expensive to feed [10:11] schestowitz-TR it's a cartel [10:11] schestowitz-TR the otheer dat at m and s i saw all the baby clothes and shoes [10:11] schestowitz-TR 10 times less material [10:12] schestowitz-TR same price [10:12] schestowitz-TR pricefixing [10:12] schestowitz-TR "if you love yo babbbbbbbyyyyy" [10:29] schestowitz-TR that's it, it's in page 2 now [10:29] schestowitz-TR moving on to daily links now [10:43] schestowitz-TR England Swings Back to Excess Deaths (Exceedingly High Mortality Rates in Summertime) With COVID-19 Surge https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/covid-19-summer-exceeding-normal-mortality/ [10:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive England Swings Back to Excess Deaths (Exceedingly High Mortality Rates in Summertime) With COVID-19 Surge [10:48] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [10:55] schestowitz-TR eugenics, culling, survivasl of the strong [10:55] schestowitz-TR poor old people, almolst 200k of them, who do not enjoy pension anymore [10:55] schestowitz-TR 90%+ of them are pension age [10:55] schestowitz-TR they are a "burden" on "the capitalism" [10:55] schestowitz-TR "dude, want a seventh jab?" [10:55] schestowitz-TR "no jab, no job" [10:55] schestowitz-TR pensioner: i finished doing jobs after 45 years [10:55] schestowitz-TR capitalism eats its own, the ones who spent the most building the capital [10:55] schestowitz-TR I am not accepting this [10:55] schestowitz-TR in usa, champion of unbridlod capitalism, they cherish embroyos and fetuses 3 weeks old more [10:55] schestowitz-TR than they value war vetarans etc. [10:55] schestowitz-TR so that dispells this notion that the gov. exists to guard human life [10:55] Techrights-sec ack [10:57] schestowitz[TR] "Truth: government exists to protect life and liberty. But the lie embraced was government is willing to kill everyone because: better dead than red." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/08/time-for-a-convention-of-the-people-by-the-people-and-for-the-people/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Time for a Convention of the People, by the People and for the People - CounterPunch.org [10:57] schestowitz[TR] "Truth: government exists to protect life and liberty. But the lie embraced was government is willing to kill everyone because: better dead than red." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/08/time-for-a-convention-of-the-people-by-the-people-and-for-the-people/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:57] schestowitz[TR] "Raped by My Father" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/4/michele_goodwin_abortion_saved_my_life | Source: Democracy No [10:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | I Was Raped by My Father. Abortion Saved My Life: Prof. Michele Goodwin on SCOTUS & the New Jane Crow | Democracy Now! [10:59] schestowitz-TR the gov. exists to protect capital and "private property" [10:59] schestowitz-TR remember thaty and there will be less disappointment ;-) [10:59] schestowitz-TR WTO, EPO, Microsoft bailed out... [10:59] Techrights-sec ack [10:59] Techrights-sec the interest is lost the moment they get born ● Jul 10 [11:00] Techrights-sec and diminishes by the day ever after from that point onward [11:00] schestowitz-TR baby dies: woman arrested [11:00] schestowitz-TR pupil dies: thoughts and prayers ;-) [11:09] schestowitz
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    How to Install Flask with Nginx and Gunicorn on Ubuntu 22.04
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    Flask is a microframework written in Python for developing modern web applications and API (Application Programming Interface). It's based on the Werkzeug toolkit and Jinja2 template. Instead of using complex architecture, Flask is a small web framework that easy-to-extent the core and easy to learn because Flask has less code. Flask doesn't include the ORM, but still has cool features like URL routing [11:09] schestowitz and template engine.

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    This small Space Invaders game runs on an Arduino Nano with a salvaged CRT display
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    Rob Cai over on Instructables has created his own version of the classic video game Space Invaders using an Arduino Nano. However, unlike most other projects that would typically incorporate some kind of LCD or OLED screen, he chose to use a small black and white cathode ray tube (CRT) display recovered from an old video intercom system.

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    Kubuntu upgrade - from 21.10 to 22.04 - Smooth as silk
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    Operating system upgrades are not a fun activity. Like the annual tax report, or mandatory HR training, you want them done as quickly and smoothly as possible. Over the years, I've found myself mustering less and less patience for everything software, and look at any major system change with a considerable amount of dread. Not the fear that I won't be able to resolve it, but the knowledge that I simply [11:12] schestowitz don't have the desire to play with unnecessary things.

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    On the Linux side of the pond, surprisingly, system upgrades have been relatively smooth. Still, they weren't always perfect. Well, today we need to see how things have changed since my last attempt, on the elderly Vivobook. My guinea pig will be the newish test system, an IdeaPad with its Ryzen processor and NVMe storage, which I use for Linux distro explorations and disappointments. The box runs a [11:12] schestowitz triple-boot setup, including one Kubuntu 21.10. And now, we shall nudge that instance to the latest LTS. Begin to commence.

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    • [11:16] schestowitz-TR closest-to-truth analogy I can think of right now is bridge of cliff [11:16] schestowitz-TR and lots of fools followwing the crowd [11:16] schestowitz-TR assuming crowded places mean safety [11:16] schestowitz-TR I studied these issues and don't read BillBC (vaccine sales site) [11:17] Techrights-sec ack [11:31] schestowitz-TR billbc is not antivaxx [11:31] schestowitz-TR but it sells the idea that boosters are magic serum [11:31] schestowitz-TR today i work while standing [11:31] schestowitz-TR walking in and out the door to the sun outside [11:31] schestowitz-TR soon cider [11:31] schestowitz-TR buttefly outside just now [11:31] schestowitz-TR same problem here [11:31] schestowitz-TR yellowing [11:31] schestowitz-TR 2018 was worse [11:32] schestowitz-TR many animals were dying [11:32] schestowitz-TR grass was dying entirely at some edges [11:32] schestowitz-TR if it gets warm due to heating, we'll turn up the A/C (cycle) [11:32] schestowitz-TR if we lack rainfall, we'll turn on the taps more to feed flora and fauna [11:32] schestowitz-TR overpopulation is an inflection point thing [11:32] schestowitz-TR it is worsened further by its own effects [11:32] schestowitz-TR rianne and i practice frugality even while earning 3000 net per month [11:32] schestowitz-TR we opened libre office the other night in bed, put in all the monthly expenses [11:32] schestowitz-TR adds up to not much at all [11:32] schestowitz-TR even after hyperinflation [11:32] schestowitz-TR food is about 50 per head per month [11:32] schestowitz-TR inc. alcohol [11:32] Techrights-sec until today [11:32] Techrights-sec ack [11:32] Techrights-sec good to keep expenses low [11:34] schestowitz-TR motto is [11:34] schestowitz-TR live modest, work less hard [11:34] schestowitz-TR money is storage of labbour quotient [11:34] schestowitz-TR if you need less money, less arrduous labour will be required (or for shorter duration) [11:34] schestowitz-TR we can live on rianne babysitting elephants 16 hours a wek [11:34] schestowitz-TR net time working 2-5 hours [11:34] Techrights-sec storage with loss / entropy [11:36] schestowitz
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    Ubiquitous Surveillance by ICE
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    Report by Georgetowns Center on Privacy and Technology published a comprehensive report on the surprising amount of mass surveillance conducted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

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    [Old] American Dragnet: Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st Century
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    This report argues that you should. Our two-year investigation, including hundreds of Freedom of Information Act requests and a comprehensive review of ICEs contracting and procurement records, reveals that ICE now operates as a domestic surveillance agency. Since its founding in 2003, ICE has not only been building its own capacity to use surveillance to carry out deportations but has also [11:37] schestowitz played a key role in the federal governments larger push to amass as much information as possible about all of our lives. By reaching into the digital records of state and local governments and buying databases with billions of data points from private companies, ICE has created a surveillance infrastructure that enables it to pull detailed dossiers on nearly anyone, seemingly at any time. In its efforts to arrest and deport, ICE has [11:37] schestowitz without any judicial, legislative or public oversight reached into datasets containing personal information about the vast majority of people living in the U.S., whose records can end up in the hands of immigration enforcement simply because they apply for drivers licenses; drive on the roads; or sign up with their local utilities to get access to heat, water and electricity.

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    ICE has built its dragnet surveillance system by crossing legal and ethical lines, leveraging the trust that people place in state agencies and essential service providers, and exploiting the vulnerability of people who volunteer their information to reunite with their families. Despite the incredible scope and evident civil rights implications of ICEs surveillance practices, the agency has [11:37] schestowitz managed to shroud those practices in near-total secrecy, evading enforcement of even the handful of laws and policies that could be invoked to impose limitations. Federal and state lawmakers, for the most part, have yet to confront this reality.

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    The Fediverse can be pretty toxic
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    Social networks are not good for you. The Fediverse brought out the worst in me, and it can bring out the worst in you, too. The behaviors it encourages are plainly defined as harassment, a behavior which is not unique to any ideological condition. People get hurt on the Fediverse. Keep that in mind. Consider taking a look in the mirror and asking yourself if your relationship with the platform is [11:51] schestowitz healthy for you and for the people around you.

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    • ● Jul 10 [12:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [13:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [14:10] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:16] Techrights-sec I didn't get anything done yesterday except a bit of planning. Today I was [14:16] Techrights-sec able to do some experiments with SQLite3. Perhaps tomorrow I'll be able [14:16] Techrights-sec to squeeze in some merging of the experiments into the existing mockup [14:16] Techrights-sec ack [14:16] schestowitz-TR db still holding up OK enough [14:16] schestowitz-TR I will prod kanini once a day [14:16] Techrights-sec ack [14:28] schestowitz-TR I want to 'innovate' in the sites (scare quotes) to make things better than 'traditional' ones, but do not know how to [14:28] schestowitz-TR but making our own cms makes extending it easier [14:28] Techrights-sec ack [14:28] Techrights-sec the HTML + CSS in the mockup still needs polishing though [14:54] schestowitz https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1545619236403515392 [14:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: Too much top down isolates the top and they go crazy with self importance: This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its L https://t.co/ip2lJRuRQA [14:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: Too much top down isolates the top and they go crazy with self importance: This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its L https://t.co/ip2lJRuRQA [14:54] schestowitz "Too much top down isolates the top and they go crazy with self importance: This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its Lowest Share (Just 3%), But CEO Baker Made a Fortune (Especially When Mozilla Sank)" [14:55] schestowitz https://twitter.com/GiamBuonomo/status/1546116613077966851 [14:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GiamBuonomo: @schestowitz https://t.co/9QdP8uFQpd ● Jul 10 [15:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [16:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [17:14] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:31] schestowitz-TR Last I saw.... [17:47] Techrights-sec ok the other messages about maintenance must not have gone through [17:47] schestowitz-TR I was afk [17:47] schestowitz-TR so I only see the new session ● Jul 10 [18:20] Techrights-sec not much other than that [18:54] Techrights-sec I had a little bit of time and modified the script to save into an SQLite3 [18:54] Techrights-sec database. Next time I will throw together something quick to extract [18:54] Techrights-sec records based on date and save them as static files. [18:55] schestowitz-TR if I understand it correctly, the DB is then accessed just to create the statis files and the feeds [18:55] schestowitz-TR then, once pages age, no more need to touch the DB to retrieve them [18:55] schestowitz-TR great! [18:56] Techrights-sec correct [18:56] Techrights-sec it also makes it possible to make a new template some time in the future [18:56] Techrights-sec and then apply it to the whole site, including the pre-existing posts, not just [18:56] Techrights-sec future posts [18:56] Techrights-sec There are some fine points I am missing or misunderstanding with SQL [18:56] Techrights-sec but the main thing is that as far as a proof-of-concept prototype goes, it is [18:56] Techrights-sec moving along [18:57] schestowitz-TR I think the lion's share of human (non-bot) traffic is posts from the past 1-2 days) [18:57] schestowitz-TR the same is true in a lot of sites [18:57] schestowitz-TR so applying changes to old pages isn't so critical [18:58] Techrights-sec after the extractor, or as part of its development, I'll have to figure out [18:58] Techrights-sec the navigation links [18:58] Techrights-sec Of course, but there is always the off chance that someone finds an old post [18:58] Techrights-sec and wishes to explore. That needs to remain possible. ● Jul 10 [19:00] schestowitz-TR for a foreseeable future the very old ~167,000 nodes can be sevred with the old CMS [19:00] schestowitz-TR which will be locked such that it's just there as legacy, with all those distro review susan did and are linked to [19:00] schestowitz-TR from distowatch etc. [19:00] schestowitz-TR scraping is the next stage, as we'll need to scrape anything after 27/6/2022 anyway [19:00] schestowitz-TR I already know how to do this [19:01] Techrights-sec yes but it would be best to scrape them into a static site eventually, using [19:01] Techrights-sec wget or something [19:01] Techrights-sec It's just a matter of finding the right parameters to ensure that the comments [19:01] Techrights-sec and such are retained [19:01] Techrights-sec There are a lot of parts, like the reviews and galleries [19:04] schestowitz-TR some nodes are multi-paged, both for content and for comments (there are thresholds) [19:04] schestowitz-TR but the priority is retaining existing readers by giving a good rss feed [19:04] schestowitz-TR later worry about "the other stuff" [19:04] schestowitz-TR we can do something similar with TR wordpress later on [19:04] schestowitz-TR there is CMS and bloat fatigue anyway [19:04] schestowitz-TR people should not need to download like 20- tiny images and other objects just to read an article with one image [19:04] schestowitz-TR gemini shows it can be done withoiut even that one image [19:13] Techrights-sec yes [19:13] Techrights-sec the current mockup has no direct provision for images. They are probably not [19:13] Techrights-sec needed but I would like to know what other think [19:14] schestowitz-TR images are just like a field [19:14] schestowitz-TR you enter some external url, sometimes wikipedia [19:14] schestowitz-TR it adds a little at a low cost [19:16] Techrights-sec ok, an additional table with a blob can be added [19:19] schestowitz-TR I used to think of other ways of improving or enhancing the site [19:19] schestowitz-TR it has been mostly the same since 2014/15 [19:19] schestowitz-TR putting myself in the shoes of what I think readers are [19:19] schestowitz-TR some times around 2016 we decided to utilise comments to post followups [19:19] schestowitz-TR avoiding repetition of themes and stories in the front page [19:19] schestowitz-TR but comments are not meant to be used like this [19:19] schestowitz-TR we shut doiwn registration for new accounts due to spam and worse [19:19] schestowitz-TR one thing I 'implmented' is a loop that checks timestamps [19:19] schestowitz-TR so that if I add "update" to an existing page it gets bumped up to the top [19:19] schestowitz-TR this was never possible with the front page or rss feed [19:19] schestowitz-TR but we had a view (still have it) at the top of the front page) to indicate new [19:19] schestowitz-TR comments based on visitor's cookie [19:19] Techrights-sec ack [19:22] schestowitz-TR of note: if we add "UDPATE" to a page maybe better reverse chronological [19:22] schestowitz-TR so that the latest additiion is shown first, giving emphasis to the new stuff with the older stuff trailing [19:22] schestowitz-TR ----- [19:22] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu 24.04: things to do after install [19:22] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu 24.04 reeleases [19:22] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu 24.04 to be relerased later today [19:22] schestowitz-TR ==== [19:22] schestowitz-TR (all in one "node") to avoid flooding the site over and over again with related story [19:23] Techrights-sec so a dc.date.modified field is needed, too, then [19:24] schestowitz-TR the way it works now, when the file is edited the file system is containing the time stamo [19:24] schestowitz-TR and that gets determined when scanning the files [19:24] Techrights-sec It's more efficient to scan the sqlite database [19:25] schestowitz-TR yes, but it would be nice to edit the files directly, too [19:26] Techrights-sec then there is a great challenge to get them back into the database [19:26] Techrights-sec the files must be 100% valid HTML and conform to several check points regarding [19:26] Techrights-sec structure, or else that is not feasible [19:27] schestowitz-TR makes sense, so maybe a script to open the file in nano and then commit the change [19:27] schestowitz-TR rianne can cope opk with nano [19:31] Techrights-sec but it's quite doable within those constraints [19:31] Techrights-sec excellent [19:31] Techrights-sec though the todo list just grew by six points in these last few minutes :/ [19:31] Techrights-sec I'll work on the extaction, then extraction + nav menu, next time I can [19:31] Techrights-sec get a chance. (Prob. tomorrow) Then the update. [19:32] schestowitz-TR if all the nodes are in a db, then off-the-sheft converters cann produce gemtext from that DB as well [19:32] schestowitz-TR gemini.tuxmachines.org:1965 with agate running or similar [19:32] schestowitz-TR the format is quite consistent, either list or item, sometimes with "Also:" [19:33] Techrights-sec Yes all the nodes need to be in the db and then the conversions to gemtext [19:33] Techrights-sec will be easy as would any other template. The file syste basically becomes [19:33] Techrights-sec a mirror of the db content. [19:33] Techrights-sec yes, good idea. [19:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [19:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 10 [20:22] schestowitz-TR "I wrote a bunch about social media in the past few years, and I sort of stopped trying to "convince" anyone to stop using it (be it entirely, or even just partially), but I still remark on the dangers of the services out there." gemini://tmo.smol.pub/1657471912 [20:23] schestowitz-TR "Anyway, I still support (or sometimes just tolerate) that people still use social networks, but more people are probably leaving them (all of them) at this point, and that can only be a good thing. It's always up to the individual, though. No one will do it for them." gemini://tmo.smol.pub/1657471912 ● Jul 10 [21:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qpqegrzmfwq3n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell