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| schestowitz-TR | [00:48] <techrights-news> Years ago FOSS Force spoke about the corruption of Linux Foundation. Now, after getting money from Linux | Apr 12 01:27 |
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| schestowitz-TR | Foundation, it does puff pieces for the corrupt Linux Foundation. SJVN effect. https://fossforce.com/2022/04/protecting-open-sour | Apr 12 01:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | ce-security-as-cold-war-turns-hot/ | Apr 12 01:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | OpenSSF Protects Open Source Security as Cold War Turns Hot- FOSS Force | Apr 12 01:27 | |
| schestowitz-TR | do not restart tuxmachines or anything, I work on its DB. As I worried, it was in a poor state, this may take a while | Apr 12 01:27 |
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| schestowitz-TR | gm | Apr 12 04:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | no hurry | Apr 12 04:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | let's start with, is it ok to leave channel settings for wifi as is? | Apr 12 04:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | it 'felt' faster' after changing that AND finding the culprit | Apr 12 04:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 04:34 |
| Techrights-sec | gm | Apr 12 04:34 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 04:34 |
| Techrights-sec | probably. checking | Apr 12 04:34 |
| Techrights-sec | I don't see any overlapping channels but a whole bunch of them have all changed | Apr 12 04:34 |
| Techrights-sec | at the same time. that might be part of the problem | Apr 12 04:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I see | Apr 12 04:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, it was not the problem in our case | Apr 12 04:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I will leave wifi like that | Apr 12 04:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | it 'felt' like latency came down a bit | Apr 12 04:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | so, about tuxmachines, at the moment I try a bunch of tools to fix the records | Apr 12 04:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | but just in case we can also restore from sunday morning backup, then I can manually re-add all the node | Apr 12 04:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I want to take advantage of this situation to just change the OS | Apr 12 04:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can see in irc scrollback stuff related to this | Apr 12 04:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | I also sent email | Apr 12 04:37 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 04:38 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, I saw the e-mail and skimmed through it. There were quite a few log | Apr 12 04:38 |
| Techrights-sec | entries warning of repair | Apr 12 04:38 |
| Techrights-sec | needed | Apr 12 04:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is at the very least educational to me | Apr 12 04:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am not stressed as we can get it orking again, we had worse downtimes too | Apr 12 04:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it has just finished doing recovery that took 15 minutes with a tool | Apr 12 04:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I see that too resulted in no solution | Apr 12 04:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to try another tool, I've not yet received a reply from kaniia | Apr 12 04:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm certain that means afk | Apr 12 04:40 |
| Techrights-sec | there are mysqldup gzip'ed files for each day, if that helps | Apr 12 04:43 |
| Techrights-sec | mysqldump | Apr 12 04:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, we have 4 for sunday and monday | Apr 12 04:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | I made some copies of dumps | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | thje current DB works well if you are logged in | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is an issue we had at least twice about 4 years ago | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | same symptoms, same outcome | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | but really we need to move to a better system | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | xrevan has explained that the storage engine used at least for some of the tables is veru bad | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | innodb should be used universally | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | this, I think, explains why kaniini struggled to move this DB to the dedicated DB container | Apr 12 04:47 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 04:47 |
| Techrights-sec | I thought it was innodb there all the way through? | Apr 12 04:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> psydruid: just throwing out there this remark, ymmv | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> techdirt moved to wordpress last month | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> they were anxious to migrate | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> not sure what they used before | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> techdirt goes back to the 1990s | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> running sites for this long is very hard, without "overhaul", as technology changes far too fast | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [03:58] <schestowitz-TR> php may not work after a version bump, OSes deprecate support for "old" things, some projects get abandon | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | ed, so no security fixes | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | tuxmachines goes all the way to 2004 | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | there's tons of material there long lost from the web | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | the urls it links to can be recovered from IA | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | susan left his life's work with us | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | with challenges that her ex, texstar, was able to tackle | Apr 12 04:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not her | Apr 12 04:50 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Apr 12 04:51 |
| Techrights-sec | not everything is (still) in the IA though | Apr 12 04:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | IA is just a backup plan, but not dependable | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | for research etc. | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | most people focus on the present, not the distant past | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then there are revisionists, who should be confroned | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | without evidence from the past it's easier to lie about the past | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are museums made to ensure this does not happen | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | "bush was right to liberate afghanistan" | Apr 12 04:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | "thatcher was misunderstood" | Apr 12 04:55 |
| Techrights-sec | I wonder if there is already a plugin which adds parallel links to the IA | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | some projects, like Ubuntu, expend effort to delete their archives and to | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | erase what could have been preserved in an organized fashion with less effort | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, being able to lie about the past as M$ does is one of the "advantages" of | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | having no records of the past anywhere | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | "reagan did not sow the seeds of destruction which would ultimately bring down | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | the nation" | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | Reagan undid the educational system in the US and that is by far the most | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | harmful act so far when considered in the long term. Ultimately the populace | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | loses the knowledge needed to govern itself and even retain an operational | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | economy. The Soviets who arranged for him to do that would be laughing if they | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | would have been still around, | Apr 12 04:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | US capital got funneled into very few hands in the course of several decades | Apr 12 04:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then bought the media, "charter" schools etc. | Apr 12 04:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we're meant to delebrate this | Apr 12 04:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | poor folks struggling to maintain a site while the oligarchs buy papers, twitter, | Apr 12 04:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and reputatyion-laundering PR firms | Apr 12 04:59 |
| Techrights-sec | That too | Apr 12 05:00 |
| Techrights-sec | yes. the gratuitious complexity which has entered most projects contributes to | Apr 12 05:00 |
| Techrights-sec | the difficulty in operating a site. | Apr 12 05:00 |
| Techrights-sec | backing up TR now | Apr 12 05:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | operating soites is a multi-faceted thing | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | as groklaw shows | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | writing articles is one aspect | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | at work we help some who write about human rights | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | but who struggle with the technical side | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | let aside preservation | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | so writing "for free" is hard | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | blogspot will vanish | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need a host | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then you need maintainers | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's why so many "news" sites are now offline | Apr 12 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | keeping a sysadmin for $50,000 a year was not worth the gains | Apr 12 05:02 |
| Techrights-sec | It only gets complex when you add the ability to comment. That requires both | Apr 12 05:03 |
| Techrights-sec | a database and moderators. Just posting articles only (on the technology side) | Apr 12 05:03 |
| Techrights-sec | requires a static site generator. | Apr 12 05:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | last MyISAM recovery attempt will finished in about 2 minutes | Apr 12 05:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | after so many scans and repairs I would not even trust its state | Apr 12 05:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if it "worked" again | Apr 12 05:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | Sunday morning at 5am was the last "trustworthy" state and I can add the missing node and comments | Apr 12 05:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the right order within an hour | Apr 12 05:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that would not solve the OS issue, so we might wait | Apr 12 05:06 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, most activities require at least a 25% FTE administrator | Apr 12 05:06 |
| Techrights-sec | right, I hope there is the opportunity to migrate now | Apr 12 05:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | as expected, that last attempt did not solve the issue either | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to be honest, even if it did, given our experience with similar | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | situations 4 or so years ago, I would revert back to an old site state | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | with the old password and settings | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I do wonder if we can, without bothering kaniini configure the DB software to run OK | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | with this tuxmachines DB | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe some distros keep older, long-term DB versions | Apr 12 05:10 |
| Techrights-sec | can the site be set to use innodb during that process? | Apr 12 05:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | according to xrevan it is not so simple | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I imagine that legacy drupal (maybe 4 or 5) used that old storage engine | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | which trotted forward | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | to avoid ending up like joindiaspora we need to move to a more robusst DB | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | but some DB conversion tools I saw online are no longer maintained | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | one extreme approach (VERY EXTREME, bear with me, I don't mean that seriously) | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | is to scrape all the pages for 162,000 nodes and make static pages for each | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is tricky for many reasons, but that's not the point | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then, using the same URL for RSS feed | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | you start afresh with a better or more "modern" stack | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | modern does not mean better | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I would rather stay with the same CMS of course, which we can do, but I want to | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | push the OS back to the present | Apr 12 05:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just checked again. no reply from kaniini | Apr 12 05:15 |
| Techrights-sec | I would think that the dump could be without the createtables parts and the | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | creation done manually then import just the data from the dumps | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | :/ | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | That would take weeks | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | and be error prone | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | modern often means unnecessarily complex and bloated | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | yes that sounds like a good idea | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 05:16 |
| Techrights-sec | just backed up Git too; that could be automated | Apr 12 05:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | for irc, the sole purpose of a backup now is new registered users I think | Apr 12 05:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | the rest stays the same | Apr 12 05:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | going from the dumbs is, afaic remember, what we did the last time, when | Apr 12 05:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | we moved DBs outwards | Apr 12 05:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | that seemed to work at first | Apr 12 05:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then as soon as you post something the same thing would happedn as happened past midnight | Apr 12 05:20 |
| Techrights-sec | I have no backup of IRC | Apr 12 05:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | one thing def. worth trying is, use a reject tm backup dump | Apr 12 05:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | does not have to be recent (i.e. broken) | Apr 12 05:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | load that into localghost in a laptop | Apr 12 05:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then try to see if the OS handles it OK | Apr 12 05:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | when new nodes are added | Apr 12 05:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | this way we can even make a ready system to deploy | Apr 12 05:23 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Apr 12 05:24 |
| Techrights-sec | which distro? | Apr 12 05:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was just thinking the same | Apr 12 05:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe something not too modern | Apr 12 05:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but with legacy php and mysql/mariadb | Apr 12 05:24 |
| Techrights-sec | ubuntu lts? | Apr 12 05:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, that might work | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | if the backup import (techrights has many dumps under ~archives) | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | is out of date, it can later be brought up to data | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | the hard part will be seeing if new stories can be added without the DB | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | getting all worked up | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is not a new "challenge" | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's something that just had us go "fuck it" | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | "let's leave that for another day" | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | the db host was alpine afaik | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | the centos os tuxmachines has sysctl | Apr 12 05:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | alpine is... different | Apr 12 05:27 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 05:28 |
| Techrights-sec | alpine is ok | Apr 12 05:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | remember that tuxmachines was imported into centos in 2013 from a DEBIAN | Apr 12 05:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | box | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | hence, the files, ALL THE FILES, are under /var | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | /home and /root are just a bunch of junk, the settings for apache are | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the usual place | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | using a local install of it, extracting gemtext by going through ~/node/1 upwards | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | would not be too hard | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | it might even be worth doing as it's vastly easier than mediawiki or wordpress | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then serve as a static record with canonical form | Apr 12 05:32 |
| Techrights-sec | following a rolling release distro would require occasional cleanups | Apr 12 05:32 |
| Techrights-sec | followign an LT distro would require major work periodically but spaced much | Apr 12 05:32 |
| Techrights-sec | further apart temporarly | Apr 12 05:32 |
| Techrights-sec | So the old records would be static? | Apr 12 05:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | I meant, if we get this running also on a laptop, then running a program to cycle | Apr 12 05:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | through nodes 1-162,000... and then get the body of that would be simple, e.g. | Apr 12 05:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | to make gemtext pages for each | Apr 12 05:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | the pi can even serve those with the existing proxy, we have lots of space | Apr 12 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec | I could set up devuan temporarily on a spare device for a while. | Apr 12 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec | It could be accessible via SSH. The web aspect would have to be tunneled over | Apr 12 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec | SSH | Apr 12 05:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | that would be excellent. | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | asa I said, apache under /etc and /var with the rest, all that's needed then it DB import | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and pointing to localhost | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the scary part is adding a new node | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | when we tried that with alpine it was not happy, rianne does not yet know about the site | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbut she knows we epent a lot of time investigation | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're very committed to that site and need the upgrade | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | "modern" means bloat, and while it might work this year and next year and maybe another year | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | that exponentially becomes expensive to maintain | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | diasoora is dying, jusging by steep deceline in active users | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | mastodon is the next identica | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | distro.toot and drew devault would not bother snymore | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | mastodon, like diaspora, need to keep huge DBs and stuff, even for just a few users | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the concept is OK, but blogs with RSS are better | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | dogg.com died partly due to technical debt | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was poorly coded with mysql iirc | Apr 12 05:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they needed to do major overhauls just for the site to keep going | Apr 12 05:40 |
| Techrights-sec | mastodon requires a *tremendous* amount of overhead for very little result | Apr 12 05:42 |
| Techrights-sec | and then on top of that there is the javascript | Apr 12 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | at one point, iirc, they would hide the comments by default | Apr 12 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | those were computationallly expensive, e.g. checking for each of your "friends" | Apr 12 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | if they were related to any of the comments displayed | Apr 12 05:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | nice "feature", but huige overhead | Apr 12 05:42 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 05:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | speaking in the abstract | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | onm coffe, not drunk | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is a sea of change for the net/web | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | for a number or reasons we both know about | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | those who managed to stay afloat will eat those who perish | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | cnx added a TOOOOOOON oif bloat | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's why his site went offline like 3 times in a week | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | he ran afoul of rules biolated by the crap he had added | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | yesterday I thought about the fast agging of "apps" | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | of lxer being offline for like 3 days | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | social media is collapsing | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | FB even admits it | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I see it for myself, not just my account by others', like glynmoody | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | 'free' video hosting | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | and another thing I was gonna mention but forgot (it was not that iumportant anyway, and this is informal chat) | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I forgot, cannot remember, pressing on | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | techrights has debt, same for all old sites | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | techdirt is one example | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | ipwatchtroll is antoehr | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | the editor left, not they try to hide the lack of visitors/comments | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | phoronis is plastered together | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | several "overhauls" over theyears | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe what I wanted to say though, a lot of history will be accessible through those | Apr 12 05:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | more capable of staying online longer, and on a shoestring budget | Apr 12 05:52 |
| Techrights-sec | http/3 is an ummitigated disaster and will cut out all the small shops which | Apr 12 05:52 |
| Techrights-sec | happen to remain | Apr 12 05:52 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 05:52 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Apr 12 05:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | also CAs and TLS, imposed by btoewdwser | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybew this is the intention, to crush the smal | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | because you cannot just leave it there alone, you have to routinely renew things | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then top-level CAs go out of existence | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | taking out older devices from the Web | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you need to buy new TV/phone | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it still feels like yesterday's Internet self-nuke resulted for me in a | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | connection with lower latency | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not measure anything, but it feels like it | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | if Sunday's TM deterioration (caused by nothing in particular|) results in a gemini capsule for it | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and a more modern OS, then maybe it's for the better | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the point I was mking earlier when the head became overloaded with example is, | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the longevity of tech in general (online and offline) is nder attack | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | to be clear, techdirt did not move to wordpress | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it moved to wordpress.com | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | they do censorship and other stuff | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | so their resolution to techniacal debt was running into a trap | Apr 12 05:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | that they cannot get out of | Apr 12 05:57 |
| Techrights-sec | :/ | Apr 12 05:58 |
| Techrights-sec | that was a disadvantageous decision for techdirt to make | Apr 12 05:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I mentioned this to him in Twitter | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | (to Mike) | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was one of the first dozen in that pplatform | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | like drupal, hosting is their business model | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | when pressed over things techdirt published | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would be matt mulleneg et al and their lawyers deciding | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | not mmasnick's lawyers | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you do know they have many enemies | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like github, but for journalism | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | when I was in berlin wordpress.com suspended my account | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was their beta tester! | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | then they accepted it was in error | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they never asked me or notificed me | Apr 12 06:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | mike's enemies can do to him now what shiva ayadurai did to joindiaspora | Apr 12 06:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | or diasporta | Apr 12 06:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | lukas did delete that past after charles harder had sent the latter | Apr 12 06:01 |
| Techrights-sec | interesting so they have an anti-FOSS agenda from early on | Apr 12 06:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | no, wordpress is that ios what you mean gives the source code as GPL | Apr 12 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind the crappy non-GPL stuff they add to wordpress | Apr 12 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | (and which I oppose, some of it came from facebook) | Apr 12 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the hosting is a service they tell | Apr 12 06:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | while I suppose keeping incentive to use the hosting | Apr 12 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like drupal's company | Apr 12 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | by increasing the underlying complexity | Apr 12 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | some of the recent security fixes in wordpress are for plugins and bloat they added later on | Apr 12 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | those contribute to the attack surface | Apr 12 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | so newer does not always mean safer | Apr 12 06:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | --- | Apr 12 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | key for test setup? | Apr 12 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, one thing mentioned in irc was https for tuxmachines | Apr 12 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | tbere were some missing packages needed for certbot before | Apr 12 06:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | going to take a nap, no word back from kaniini yet | Apr 12 06:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, galler at tuxmachines uses external db | Apr 12 06:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is specified in the config file | Apr 12 06:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | *Gallery2 | Apr 12 06:24 |
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| schestowitz-TR | no reply yet from kaniini | Apr 12 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am connected to the server now | Apr 12 09:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can see techrights on it | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and version bookworm/sid, devuan deadalus/ceres | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think it would help to test tuxmachines for DB compatibility | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | do you deem it a good idea to host both sites on the same VM? | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | while possible, they share IP address, I think | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, techrights migration is a very big job and less urgent | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | should I, in the meanwtime , restore TM from a good backup and add the missing nodes? | Apr 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | seeing that kaniini is not likely to respond today? | Apr 12 09:38 |
| Techrights-sec | yes rsyncing stuff to /var/www/techrights.org/* | Apr 12 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | it'll take a while longer before the files are there | Apr 12 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | I | Apr 12 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm not sure. It'd make it easier to move them separately if they are each | Apr 12 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | in their own VM | Apr 12 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | perhaps. how long would it take to do the restoration and how much inconvenience would it be to do that work and would it ease th | Apr 12 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | e migration? | Apr 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | restoring old DEB is fast | Apr 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | what would take less than an hour is manually copying nodes from the new to old | Apr 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the latter would need to be done either way, eventually | Apr 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | thoughts?> | Apr 12 09:45 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | I guess it nees to be done then | Apr 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will start now | Apr 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | won't be fun, but this should work OK | Apr 12 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | the file I will restore the DB from is not in the homedir of tuxmachines | Apr 12 09:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | but first I will put the service back up and copy across from current copy | Apr 12 09:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | the diffs | Apr 12 09:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | eta 1 hour | Apr 12 09:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | extracting posts since Sunday midnigth done | Apr 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | next: comments | Apr 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | after that: db restore | Apr 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | then restore posts | Apr 12 10:45 |
| Techrights-sec | (still syncing videos and such here) | Apr 12 10:45 |
| Techrights-sec | np | Apr 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | then restore comments | Apr 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks for helping! | Apr 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | done comment extraction | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | wtf? | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can gunzip the 09042022 dump OK | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the one of 10042022 says | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | invalid compressedm data--crc error | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | no, on live TM or live TR | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the tuxmachines dump | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I first failed to gunziup it on tm, after copying it from tr archives | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | then I tried on TR, same outcome | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I check the 9th April file just to go phew! | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | 9 works | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | wait, can you uncompress tm-db-2022-0410.dump.gz OK on your own machines? | Apr 12 11:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | because on the server it fails | Apr 12 11:14 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | on the test machine? | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | ?? | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | strange, the gzip takes place on TR after fetching the dump from TM | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | 2022-04-09 failed too | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | tm-db-20220410.dump.gz on TR seems ok so far maybe it did not get copied back | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | to TM ok | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | it gunzips ok on the backup drive but I do not have it copied to the beta machine ye | Apr 12 11:16 |
| Techrights-sec | yet | Apr 12 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | what is the size of ther the resultant file? should be around 1.84gb | Apr 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the TR server that file is 472MB | Apr 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the 11th it sank to 452MB | Apr 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe you run another commeand? | Apr 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I just gunzip file | Apr 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | can you uncompress the file on TR for me? just to be sure no error seen? | Apr 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | Then I will rsync it across to TM (takes seconds) | Apr 12 11:20 |
| Techrights-sec | 451M | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | 1a589ecf2f578d49c5e71fb8fcdd4ea30723033d7bf39e3c9ca9155861f9b8f9 tm-db-20220410.dump.gz | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | SHA256 checksum | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | checksum matches for the gzipped file on both TR and here | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, I see | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | gunip -c | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | to leave the file untouched and then redirect somewhere | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec | /tmp/tm-db-20220410.dump | Apr 12 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | it says 67mb | Apr 12 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | the one for 9th, as you can see, is bigger | Apr 12 11:25 |
| Techrights-sec | yes 1.8G in /tmp/ | Apr 12 11:25 |
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| Techrights-sec | maybe something happened well before the backup on the 10th but after the 9th? | Apr 12 11:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | this backup was taken about 5 hours before the incident, the 9th is 29 hours | Apr 12 11:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | but either way, gzip ought not fail unless there is an issue elsewhere | Apr 12 11:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can retrieve posts (not comments) from the 9th too, then restore these also | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | a bit scary if some of these backup dumps are not usable, try 8th and 7th | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | just to be sure prior ones were OK? | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am checking system logs for the 10th | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | messages (syslog by RH) contains nothing related to these backups | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think debian logs things for cron jobs | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, I think cron is another file | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | cron files under /var/log just say that it ran | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | do not provide any status or i/o | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the mariadb logs (mysql) on TM shoed nothing major BUT | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | prior to the crash there were lots of these warnings we discussed the other day | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you test the backups of 7th and 8th? if not, I will | Apr 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | but even a bad dump ought not results in a bad gzip | Apr 12 11:45 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe something happened well before the backup on the 10th but after the 9th? | Apr 12 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | what about the mariadb log? | Apr 12 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | the status of cron jobs goes into the mail spool as an e-mail if the task | Apr 12 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | produced anything on either stdout or stderr | Apr 12 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | otherwise no records are kept | Apr 12 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec | (if no other logging has been arranged explicitly) | Apr 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | mailq | grep cron (or zip) produces nothing | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but if we see that 7th, 8th were OK | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | also also test the backups after restorting the site | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | then I think we should be safe | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't mind taking another 24 hours of posts and resorting them by hand | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | should I or you test guznip on older tm-backups? | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've left tmux where it shows a silence between march 8th until april 10th | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is not very unusual | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | on your offsite backups, are the 7th and 8th about 1.8gb in size when deflated? | Apr 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | if so, I will go ahead and make more copies of another 24 hours | Apr 12 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | looking | Apr 12 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | how unusual is that? | Apr 12 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | That's over a month. | Apr 12 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | $ gunzip -c tm-db-20220410.dump.gz > /dev/null | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | gzip: tm-db-20220410.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | gzip: tm-db-20220410.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--length error | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | the 9th is the last working backup | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | 9th is ok | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, I know | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but try prior days just to be sure we don't have lots of faolure but only the odd | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | one | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | IIRC, that was around the time I copied everything over rsync, but that should | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | not cause such damage, I don't think... | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I ran rsync with no option, just recursive for the /var/www dir | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | rsync is read-only in one direction or the other unless it is told to delete | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | the original after the copy | Apr 12 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | 8th is ok | Apr 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | another side benefit here is that we get to test the most important backups: the DBs | Apr 12 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | these are, for the site, what matters most | Apr 12 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | it doesn't stroe much media or anythingf | Apr 12 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, drupal table structure is such that givees drupal.nodes | Apr 12 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can in theory import tham into latest drupal | Apr 12 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | 8th is ok | Apr 12 12:08 |
| Techrights-sec | 7th uncompresses ok too | Apr 12 12:08 |
| Techrights-sec | yes that is true | Apr 12 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, going another 24 hours backwards sounds sane enough to me, assuming problems silence started before the 10th | Apr 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will get nodes and comments for Saturday also, then import the dump of the 9th 5am | Apr 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | eta 1 hour | Apr 12 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | curiously enough I cannot access the node with all the articles about the microsoft bribery | Apr 12 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's the only such issue I found | Apr 12 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I put it in my notes to check for its integrity after the DB restore | Apr 12 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 12:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | i now see the same in another node | Apr 12 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | my guess is that all my failed recoveries | Apr 12 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | damaged some of the older nodes on this | Apr 12 12:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we'll have them restored | Apr 12 12:16 |
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| schestowitz-TR | importing db now | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | so far no errors shown | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | remember tha the upside of this incident is that we test the backups | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the first time since it was on tessier's servers afaik | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in the process we'll lose almost no data | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | afterwards remind me to test dumpb/backups | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | because when we move to the new OS | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | we'll use that dump to import the latest | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | kaniini has not responded | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | so IU assume afak | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | *afk | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, we will need to clean up a bit afterards | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will race against the clock | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | in case marius or other sneak in a post | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | runing the sequence | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and therefore node numbers | Apr 12 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will restore them with consistency | Apr 12 12:48 |
| Techrights-sec | shall we delete the defective two? | Apr 12 12:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | starting httpd | Apr 12 13:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, lookiung good on the http side | Apr 12 13:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | Now I race against the clock | Apr 12 13:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | i use social control media to ask people not to post anything yet | Apr 12 13:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | eta 60 mins | Apr 12 13:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | saturday restored | Apr 12 13:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | can you space up loal and remote backups so that one dump is around 5pm, not am? | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | it would make recovery more robust | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | i'm halfway restorting now | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | all good so far | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | testing the backup/as in dumping when done would also give epace of mind | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | can bounce in via tr or change crontab on TR for time? | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think whether that can cause any issues, other than 5pm being "busy" | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the current strong hardware it only causes a hang for about 1-2 mins | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | TM's DV is the only probematic one of the 5 | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | we could not put that on apline/mariadb | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | hence I was eager to see how devuan copes | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | esp. if you add a new node | Apr 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | as that's when it 'breaks' | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | there are two parts, one is the creation of the dump file on TM | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | the other part is the transfer to TR | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | I don't have access to TM though due to the kex algorithm being too out of date | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | for connection. | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | on TR's side that would be /home/boycottn/bin/fetch-tm-dump.sh | Apr 12 13:33 |
| Techrights-sec | and /home/boycottn/bin/delete-old-tm-dumps-except-mondays.sh | Apr 12 13:34 |
| Techrights-sec | Is TM's database in TM or in the new VM for databases? | Apr 12 13:34 |
| Techrights-sec | IF the latter, then a couple of steps are unnecessary and can be removed from | Apr 12 13:34 |
| Techrights-sec | the work flow. | Apr 12 13:34 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 13:34 |
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| schestowitz-TR | all the posts are fully restore now | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | the url scheme unchanges | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | and no errors detected | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will now add the comments | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am going to set remote DB backups to 17:12 and then test\ | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think, given a number os improper dumps, we did demonstrate | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | that we have some resileience | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | the new DB dumps will hopefully be good | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | testing in a few mins | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | the microsoft corruption post that went bad before | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's working OK again | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | along with another that gave me errors | Apr 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | running backup, having added all the comments | Apr 12 14:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | dumping across the network, I will later hunzip it | Apr 12 14:16 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 14:16 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Apr 12 14:16 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, the dump is learn, 385mb in size | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but that is possible if during the import it omits | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | some 'cruft' like caches | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I expect it to grow each day | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is 1.57gb when uncompressed | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | running head and tail on it | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | this looss OK | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | faint memory tells me this deflation in size is quite | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | normal when you export and then import afresh | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but you should expect it to build up over time, fast | Apr 12 14:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I mean both the gz and dump are a los smaller now | Apr 12 14:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I see no errors in the site | Apr 12 14:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | or in the files | Apr 12 14:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | or from programs | Apr 12 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | caches ought not be in the backups | Apr 12 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | text compresses a lot | Apr 12 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | so if the dumps are text, they will be quite small after comptression | Apr 12 14:21 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 14:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have removed the unwanted DBs from TM and from TR, leaving the bad 1104 and 104 in there but we can avoid them | Apr 12 14:24 |
| Techrights-sec | ok | Apr 12 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks for all the help! I'll keep chasing kaniini and rianne will not post links | Apr 12 14:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | while I deal with Daily Links, using their newe format | Apr 12 14:25 |
| Techrights-sec | np | Apr 12 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just noticed an issue with the interleave changed | Apr 12 14:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | they cull out the closign</p> and closing </li> | Apr 12 14:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, that's the one | Apr 12 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Apr 12 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | add-lines-for-irc.pl ? | Apr 12 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, I see it. Looking. | Apr 12 14:36 |
| Techrights-sec | try Gut | Apr 12 14:56 |
| Techrights-sec | ^Git | Apr 12 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | excellent, this seems to have fixed it!!rianne says thanks btw, she's back to scanning the news | Apr 12 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | TM and TR are closely connected as without TM or without running it it's hard to keep abrease of eventa | Apr 12 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | kaniiani says no time this week but "maybe soon" | Apr 12 15:05 |
| schestowitz | xhttps://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225 | Apr 12 15:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225 | Apr 12 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MikeKelman6: @schestowitz Tnx dude | Apr 12 15:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://trevligmjukvara.se/ | Apr 12 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-trevligmjukvara-se.translate.goog | Trevlig Mjukvara | Trevlig mjukvara | Apr 12 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | = | Apr 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz | old: | Apr 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz | https://www.hourdetroit.com/community/muskrat-dinners-a-tradition-during-lent-downriver/ | Apr 12 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hourdetroit.com | Muskrat Dinners a Tradition During Lent Downriver - Hour Detroit Magazine | Apr 12 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | = | Apr 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz | https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mimi-reinhard-typed-schindlers-list-dies-107-84011078 | Apr 12 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-abcnews.go.com | Mimi Reinhard, who typed up Schindler's list, dies at 107 - ABC News | Apr 12 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | = | Apr 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Our once limitless horizon is suddenly contracting" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/degrowth-movement-economy/ | Apr 12 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Shrinking the Economy to Save the World | The Nation | Apr 12 15:23 | |
| schestowitz-TR | "EFF's Cindy Cohn and Danny OBrien" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-making-hope-adam-savage | Gilmore and | Apr 12 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Podcast Episode: Making Hope, with Adam Savage | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Apr 12 15:23 | |
| schestowitz-TR | Barlow knew better how to run EFF | Apr 12 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | Christine Hall's pension must be really bad | Apr 12 15:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | given how she is selling us out | Apr 12 15:23 |
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| Techrights-sec | Wouldn't it be better for Hall to work at a shop? At least some dignity would | Apr 12 15:54 |
| Techrights-sec | be retained and less damage would be done. | Apr 12 15:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | One thing I dislikem about culture (not a US/Raegan thing) | Apr 12 16:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | "look at those educated people; they make fun of us; let's be the opposite of them" | Apr 12 16:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | or | Apr 12 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | MBAs/marketing/media: similar, let's lie to piss off those who know the trade | Apr 12 16:08 |
| Techrights-sec | LOL I was just commenting here about some incidents where MBA-types got in the | Apr 12 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | way without contributing and then nonetheless tried to take full credit for | Apr 12 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | the success and result. | Apr 12 16:17 |
| Techrights-sec | ^results | Apr 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | til how to do 'sed' with perl and what /g is for | Apr 12 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | very handy as it does cross-line subs | Apr 12 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | pushing some changes to git now | Apr 12 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec | nice. I went /many/ years without looking at sed because it was just as | Apr 12 16:47 |
| Techrights-sec | easy (actually easier) as well as more powerful to use a perl one-liner for | Apr 12 16:47 |
| Techrights-sec | the task. | Apr 12 16:47 |
| Techrights-sec | See especially the -i, -n, and -p options in "man perlrun" | Apr 12 16:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | 40 and still learning | Apr 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | tbh, this week I might not be able to produce manyu articles | Apr 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but links or TM or Daily Links are a priority regardless | Apr 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the news looks dire this week | Apr 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | no "major" thing to cover | Apr 12 16:48 |
| Techrights-sec | yes it gets quieter every month :/ | Apr 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | today I started bombarding "social" again, as it's a lot faster posting there bits that are non-tech | Apr 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | we'll refine this over time | Apr 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll keep an eye on backups tonight, in fact expect (checks system clock) TR to pull a DB dump | Apr 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | from TM in about 90 mins | Apr 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | tuxmachines is the work of many people, inc. the people whose work is covered | Apr 12 16:50 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent use of the channel | Apr 12 16:50 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Apr 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | let the web rot away | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | when you search for things like 'novell hovsepian interview' | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | we are very visible because other sites perish | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | so people can see a more proper angle | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder if a capsule is worth having for TM and, if so, if homed | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | in its own domain | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I only have one IP address at home so a subsite for TM would need | Apr 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | to go on non-1965 port | Apr 12 16:56 |
| Techrights-sec | yes it would probably be rather popular to have a capsule for TM. | Apr 12 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec | It would definitely need its own host name but it need not be on a separate | Apr 12 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec | machine if the OS gets updated. It would be best to keep it on port 1965, | Apr 12 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec | since that is where it is expected, but the OS upgrade is the bottleneck there. | Apr 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | ah, yes, if it's oin some thing like devuan it can be configured with agate | Apr 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then dns point to it | Apr 12 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes devuan or any recent distro could handle it no problem. It's just | Apr 12 16:58 |
| Techrights-sec | we have a while before work on TM can start. | Apr 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | based on the tone there is desire but high workload at work (security company) | Apr 12 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | at this moment | Apr 12 16:59 |
| Techrights-sec | not much is needed for proactive security: a list of managers that have | Apr 12 17:00 |
| Techrights-sec | signed off on M$ purchases+deployments and a stout but short length of rebar >:( | Apr 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure if you noticed, but this past weekend and this week almost no annoying news at all, not even the security FUD | Apr 12 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's kind of smooth sailing in that regard | Apr 12 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | except when I touch the patent FUD | Apr 12 17:01 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm sure something dirty is being cooked up by the microsofters, they are | Apr 12 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec | probably having a convention in DC or something | Apr 12 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec | Remember for many years microsofters and their mouthpieces used to go quiet | Apr 12 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec | once or twice a year and then reappear with new talking points after the | Apr 12 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec | quiet | Apr 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | i knoew you were about to say this as you had said it before | Apr 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I never saw strong enough evidencw | Apr 12 17:02 |
| Techrights-sec | It was just something obsevered. Though I did see one, long since gone, article | Apr 12 17:04 |
| Techrights-sec | about some "training" or somesuch which most of them were at. Given | Apr 12 17:04 |
| Techrights-sec | M$ style, it is almost certainly hidden behind NDAs, even its existence | Apr 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | you know, when we started the 2020 gates articles I dared not say what some l00ns on Twitter said | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | because evidence was it was weak | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | openeing up to labels like "crank" and "conspiracy" | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | however, in 2021 several things happened that suggest it's no longer outlandish | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | and deep inside people feel that way | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | so perception have changed profoundly | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I rarely hear his name anymore | Apr 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | now it's the south african with the big mouth | Apr 12 17:09 |
| Techrights-sec | evidence is essential when writing posts | Apr 12 17:10 |
| Techrights-sec | a method which would work would be open source intelligence (which is unrelated | Apr 12 17:10 |
| Techrights-sec | to open source software) However, I'm not sure how to explain it though | Apr 12 17:10 |
| Techrights-sec | I have tried several times. | Apr 12 17:10 |
| Techrights-sec | Maybe there is a clear book on it. With it, you can assemble many crumbs into | Apr 12 17:10 |
| Techrights-sec | actual evidence. | Apr 12 17:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, rms talks tomorrow | Apr 12 17:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | he was partly canceled | Apr 12 17:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for gates | Apr 12 17:11 |
| Techrights-sec | Where will RMS talk and what is the URL for the stream? | Apr 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | fsf.org RE-posted, twice, the calendar item last night | Apr 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | > "Twitter labeled his account as being Russia state-affiliated media." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who- | Apr 12 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-UK Politician Who Had Shows On Russian TV Channel Threatens To Sue Twitter For Noting His Connections To Russian Media | Techdirt | Apr 12 17:25 | |
| schestowitz-TR | had-shows-on-russian-tv-channel-threatens-to-sue-twitter-for-noting-his-connections-to-russian-media/ | Source: Techdirt, WTH?? | Apr 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | RMS was a guest a few times | Apr 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | Corbyn was on Press TV (Tahran) | Apr 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | one apparance and you're fried | Apr 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | "The hedge fund Alden Global Capital is notorious for plundering newspapers, relentlessly creating “news deserts” and “ghost papers.”" ☛ https://fair.org/home/documenting-the-struggle-against-a-hedge-fund-stripping-journalism-for-parts/ | Apr 12 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fair.org | Documenting the Struggle Against a Hedge Fund Stripping Journalism for Parts - FAIR | Apr 12 17:27 | |
| schestowitz-TR | "Reagan and Biden" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/ | Apr 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Reagan and Biden Booms - CounterPunch.org | Apr 12 17:36 | |
| Techrights-sec | "news desert" is an apt term | Apr 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era " | Apr 12 17:38 |
| Techrights-sec | " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era " | Apr 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | my salary now is a little lower, in absolute terms, than when I first joined | Apr 12 17:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | That's OK, just don't expect me to work much :-) | Apr 12 17:39 |
| Techrights-sec | :/ | Apr 12 17:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | when you work from home you can adjust your hourly pay | Apr 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | nowadays, a lot if just automated | Apr 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so I have many screens and computers | Apr 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne has them too | Apr 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | so she 'babysits the elephants' (videos) while rasp400 does the job | Apr 12 17:43 |
| Techrights-sec | :) | Apr 12 17:44 |
| Techrights-sec | The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wage^W^W | Apr 12 17:44 |
| Techrights-sec | http://www.lanet.lv/users/judrups/Humor/canoneleph.html | Apr 12 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lanet.lv | Canonical List Of Elephant Jokes | Apr 12 17:44 | |
| schestowitz-TR | gafam workers that I know (+intel) are forced back into their cages | Apr 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | because "job" something | Apr 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | and "jab" something | Apr 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | they will never be able to use that money to compensate for it | Apr 12 17:45 |
| Techrights-sec | The stupidest part about the reduction of jobs via automation is that it is | Apr 12 17:47 |
| Techrights-sec | complete corruption of the purpose of computers as a tool to be a force | Apr 12 17:47 |
| Techrights-sec | multiplier. Imagine if M$ were not in the way and if computers were used | Apr 12 17:47 |
| Techrights-sec | to amplify people's abilities and output. | Apr 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | they say companies will automate jobs and remove workers | Apr 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | but workers can also automate their own jobs without telling companies | Apr 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's what news and syndication do for us | Apr 12 17:49 |
| Techrights-sec | yes | Apr 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | social channel busy today, and it's nearly as fast to post there as it is to read and study the news | Apr 12 17:50 |
| Techrights-sec | good if it draws the off-topic material out of the main channel | Apr 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometiues spare links can be 'weaponised' to change the subject back to tech without saying as much | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | it changes focus and doesn't admonish anyone | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | in half an hour I will start catching up with tech news | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | if I finish by 10pm, I can do articles too | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I realised after the TM ordeal just having the "darn thing" online is good enough | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not sleep well | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | and did not tell rianne why until she made breakfast | Apr 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | as that would ruin hers, too | Apr 12 17:52 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Apr 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | hours ago it was a lot smaller | Apr 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | so drupalo cache is buiulding up already | Apr 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | the siter runs nicely | Apr 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I populate it with stories, still lots to catch up with | Apr 12 19:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm tired and rianne will help overnight | Apr 12 19:19 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent, backups tested and site running. | Apr 12 19:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> hmmm... our gemini proxy is offline | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> fixing... | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> first this this happens, since it started 2 months ago | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> fixed | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> need sleep now, back in a few, it's a long nap | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> I'm on shift tonight :/ | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried nginx restart | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | no effect | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | then gemini-proxy | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | took like 1.5 minutes to restart | Apr 12 19:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | and gradually recovereed | Apr 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | no lack of system resources observed | Apr 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | but anyway. shring in case it happens agaion | Apr 12 19:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | it wa returning error 503 for all requests | Apr 12 19:59 |
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