●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, June 12, 2022 ●● ● Jun 12 [00:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:21] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Jun 12 [02:41] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 12 [03:08] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:09] *asusbox has quit (connection closed) [03:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:09] *schestowitz (~roy@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:09] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [03:09] *asusbox (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:09] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 12 [06:20] schestowitz-TR do you have any recent experience with quiterss refusing to start? [06:21] schestowitz-TR it just crashes no matter what [06:21] schestowitz-TR IIRC< rianne had a similar problem when she killed it [06:21] schestowitz-TR and the only way to 'fix' it back then was to copy another set of configs into the approporiate directtories, copying mine to hers [06:21] schestowitz-TR the traces do not show if it is related to the DB [06:21] schestowitz-TR it just outright refuses to start this morning ● Jun 12 [07:11] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [07:12] Techrights-sec2 I've not had QuiteRSS crash like that but it does crash often [07:12] Techrights-sec2 I try to keep backups of the feed list too [07:12] Techrights-sec2 I'm not sure of other methods, I just export periodically [07:13] schestowitz-TR I've just managed to get it started again, after failing to repair it with sqlite3 [07:13] schestowitz-TR I just copied in an old DB from backup [07:13] schestowitz-TR far from ideal [07:13] schestowitz-TR lost the changes I made in recent times, now I might overcompensate by adding a ton of feeds [07:13] schestowitz-TR this also means my upc 'research' for this past week is kaput [07:13] schestowitz-TR the cost of technical issue, I guess [07:13] schestowitz-TR how can you get a list of feeds without exporting opml periodically? [07:13] schestowitz-TR I looked at the raw DB file, it's hard to work with at that level [07:13] schestowitz-TR do you mind sending me your opml or is that too private? [07:13] schestowitz-TR I think it was long overdue for me to 1) not aste b/w getting lots of patent feeds I barely bother checking [07:13] schestowitz-TR 2) improve s/n ratio by adding more proper feeds, if I can find any... [07:14] Techrights-sec2 I'll send it. Just a minute [07:14] Techrights-sec2 see /tmp/QuiteRSS-feeds-2022-06-12.opml here [07:29] schestowitz-TR wow, this is a great list [07:29] schestowitz-TR I think I can almost just dump Gulag News [sic] completely now, except for words like "Linux" it sometimes [07:29] schestowitz-TR yields useful thinks for tuxmachines [07:38] Techrights-sec2 np [07:41] schestowitz-TR you made this a 'blessing in disguise' moment [07:41] schestowitz-TR as I knew a change was well overdue anyway [07:41] schestowitz-TR I maybe lost 5-10 feeds I had added since this backup I retored to [07:41] schestowitz-TR and nothing important, some rather dodgy howto-centric blogs [07:41] schestowitz-TR I'm thinking now what feeds to dump other than patent ones [07:41] Techrights-sec2 I 'ought' to write a better RSS reader but like with the other things am too [07:41] Techrights-sec2 lazy [07:41] Techrights-sec2 most people use a CMS and nearly every CMS instance now supports RSS or Atom [07:45] schestowitz-TR bypassing planets is hard [07:45] schestowitz-TR some blogrolls list all the pertinent rss feeds [07:45] schestowitz-TR but those too need to be copies manually [07:45] schestowitz-TR unless the planet "gives away the sauce" (OPML) [07:45] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:55] schestowitz-TR I need to rethink the whole way we do feeds [07:55] schestowitz-TR I alrwady have last_rss running locally, maybe I can cobble something together, for _some_ feeds [07:55] schestowitz-TR surely there must be a BETTER way than what I did until last night [07:55] schestowitz-TR and this incident is a perfect catalyst [07:56] Techrights-sec2 it would be feasible, without learning antyhing new, to generate a large [07:56] Techrights-sec2 HTML page from the feeds with each entry containing a link to the real article [07:56] Techrights-sec2 It would not be too different from the current automated feeds in function [07:59] schestowitz-TR yes, the judgment for classification is partly done by the categories [07:59] schestowitz-TR without any neuristics [07:59] schestowitz-TR google news got so bad that almost anything with a *reach* wide enough would be better [07:59] schestowitz-TR and not pollute results with microsoft.com and "Microsoft on The Issues" [07:59] schestowitz-TR among other crap [07:59] schestowitz-TR I need a quick nap and also to take the fish downstairs, rianne cleaned their tank [07:59] schestowitz-TR bbib [07:59] schestowitz-TR then we'll cycle [07:59] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 12 [08:00] schestowitz-TR ok, today's project won't be [08:00] schestowitz-TR a) feed cleaning [08:00] schestowitz-TR b) articles [08:00] schestowitz-TR c) upc [08:56] schestowitz-TR of note: I mostly used google alerts to track epo matters, but 90%+ of it was noise/lies [08:56] schestowitz-TR and it was just a backup for things rss did not catch [08:57] schestowitz-TR getting rid of both saves a lot of time [08:57] schestowitz-TR bbl [08:57] schestowitz-TR slight delay in cycling/leaving [08:57] schestowitz-TR so I've made up my mind about making alternatives, for FOSS/Linux topics, to Google [08:57] schestowitz-TR many people still rely on Google to curate such news [08:57] schestowitz-TR and I trust Google less than ever [08:57] schestowitz-TR it's pushing DRM, Chrome etc. [08:57] schestowitz-TR and omits a ton of legit news sources [08:57] schestowitz-TR it got so bad that they try very hard to hide rss support [08:57] schestowitz-TR if they still have that at all [08:57] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:57] Techrights-sec2 startpage is just a front-end for Google [08:58] Techrights-sec2 "secuirity" boulevard is anti-FOSS propaganda and promotes anti-security by [08:58] Techrights-sec2 pushing Windoze ● Jun 12 [09:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:59] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 12 [10:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:41] Techrights-sec2 yes RSS is still decentralized and thus a (minor) threat to their control [10:41] Techrights-sec2 and gatekeeping [10:42] schestowitz-TR OK, so I was thinking (back now), maybe I can add all my feeds that are easy to parse... to the script lastrss? [10:43] schestowitz-TR OK, so I was thinking (back now), maybe I can add all my feeds that are easy to parse... to the script lastrss? [10:43] schestowitz-TR I think it is designed to work on a once-a-day basis, cutoff based on date? [10:43] Techrights-sec2 yes though it would need to be manually configured for each feed [10:46] Techrights-sec2 there are over 500 feeds in the current QuiteRSS opml file [10:46] Techrights-sec2 I'm think that maybe a different script would work: one that fetches the [10:46] Techrights-sec2 feeds, culls based on date, and then displays the results as an HTML document [10:46] Techrights-sec2 with active hyperlinks to the listed items [10:52] schestowitz-TR Given the existing framework, would that be very labour-intensive? If the result of some items is not legible, I can just skip that [10:53] schestowitz-TR but ultimately the goal is to wean people off the centralised stuff [10:53] schestowitz-TR Thinking while cycling, there's not really anything CRUCIAL (the "big" story), I'd not see without Google News [10:53] schestowitz-TR sooner or later the stories get picked up elsewhere [10:53] schestowitz-TR and Google gives me a lot of troll-ish results from Microsoft-connected sites [10:53] schestowitz-TR I rarely get annoying news from "proper" sites [10:53] schestowitz-TR Google News is not RSS [10:53] schestowitz-TR Google News became some sort of deranking and curation machine (removing based on commercial and political goal) [10:53] schestowitz-TR social control media-like algorithms [10:53] schestowitz-TR with an RSS feed on top [10:53] schestowitz-TR though every few years they break it [10:53] schestowitz-TR and then you have to try harder and harder to get an rss feed for it [10:53] schestowitz-TR they change the APIsx [10:53] schestowitz-TR leading by example by leaving ALL og Google behind has long relied on me having a lot of RSS feeds, to compensate for narrowwe vista [10:53] Techrights-sec2 it would take time but not be that much of a challenge otherwise [10:53] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:54] Techrights-sec2 as mentioned most rss feeds are the side effect of people using a CMS for [10:54] Techrights-sec2 publishing [10:56] Techrights-sec2 depending on how one measures 40% to 60% of sites use WP [10:57] schestowitz-TR this can change in the future [10:57] schestowitz-TR the other "Linux" syndication sites are struggling [10:57] schestowitz-TR maybe among sites that use a cms [10:57] schestowitz-TR many sites do not [10:57] schestowitz-TR and they are not that important or active [10:58] Techrights-sec2 not that many remain which don't use some kind of CMS [10:58] schestowitz-TR true, on a relative scale [10:58] schestowitz-TR I'm not even sure a cms is a good pricatice anymor [10:58] schestowitz-TR econsidering what some cms software is like [10:59] schestowitz-TR some [10:59] Techrights-sec2 some CMS can be good, but most aren't [10:59] Techrights-sec2 of the ones that are actually at least somewhat beneficial, I suspect that [10:59] Techrights-sec2 most would be static site generators ● Jun 12 [11:06] schestowitz-TR TR uses a 'static' CMS for Gemini and for videos etc. [11:06] Techrights-sec2 yes [11:12] schestowitz-TR for many years wordpress imported a lot of crap [11:12] schestowitz-TR started with small stuff like markup libs [11:12] schestowitz-TR and the editor (like buttons for bold) [11:12] schestowitz-TR later came Facebook frameworks [11:12] schestowitz-TR which became problematic to the GPL [11:12] schestowitz-TR Matt Mullenweg spoke about this [11:12] schestowitz-TR b2 was super slim and slnder [11:12] schestowitz-TR so simple that my blog in 2004 had massive pages due to a lack of pagination feature for categories [11:12] schestowitz-TR you could download wordpress 3.9.x and then 6.0.x [11:12] schestowitz-TR then uncompress and count the files [11:12] schestowitz-TR no matter system-level dependencies [11:12] schestowitz-TR wordpress used to be so small you could memorise all the file names and know where to change what... [11:13] schestowitz-TR then came theming [11:13] schestowitz-TR complexity can cause problems down the road [11:13] schestowitz-TR like 500MB or RAM Microsoft Office to write a simple letter [11:13] schestowitz-TR and then you find a 50MB program or some browser tab and realise it does the same cheaply and more quickly [11:13] schestowitz-TR most wordpress blogs will never exceed 50 blog posts, maybe without even any images or formatting [11:13] schestowitz-TR 500 files for what could be 50 static files is bad tradeoff [11:13] schestowitz-TR and then worry about opening support tickets when the DB breaks etc. [11:13] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:13] Techrights-sec2 yes the actual blog takes fewer kB than the software in which it is encumbered [11:19] schestowitz-TR restarting httpd in TM, there is heavy load [11:19] schestowitz-TR just waiting for a write operation (add node) to finish [11:19] schestowitz-TR to reduce risk of breakdage [11:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:20] Techrights-sec2 I was just about to ask [11:20] Techrights-sec2 about it [11:20] Techrights-sec2 graceful restart is the way to go then [11:20] Techrights-sec2 apache2ctl graceful [11:20] Techrights-sec2 that prevents new connections until all the old ones have concluded and [11:20] Techrights-sec2 then at that point it restarts the daemon [11:22] schestowitz-TR it worked OK [11:24] Techrights-sec2 "Remote end closed connection without response" [11:24] Techrights-sec2 ok [11:27] schestowitz-TR with google news we face the same obstacle as those who try to make a "new" search engine [11:27] schestowitz-TR and then realise they cannot sail the whole ocean (web) and thus end up making clones [11:27] schestowitz-TR inheriting the same bias [11:27] schestowitz-TR so any "third-party" Google News thing would miss the point [11:27] schestowitz-TR I am still looking and drooling at my feeds, maybe to figure out how to manage the thing [11:27] schestowitz-TR it is the most time-consuming activity [11:27] schestowitz-TR and many are not news, they're things like "system76... now in Europe"... which is borderline [11:27] schestowitz-TR marketing cruft [11:28] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:28] Techrights-sec2 system76 opening in Europe is actually an important event becaue it means [11:28] Techrights-sec2 that it is so much easier to get hardware with FOSS operating systems [11:28] Techrights-sec2 pre-installed; yes, technically, it is possible to get their machines [11:28] Techrights-sec2 but the shipping and other problems mean that it is not economically feasible [11:28] Techrights-sec2 and one is taking a huge risk and counting on zero problems with the hardware [11:28] Techrights-sec2 out of the box. [11:29] schestowitz-TR slimbook, TUX, others also exist and the money would not got o hp [11:29] Techrights-sec2 Slimbook is good, too. Though AFAIK the system76 hardware [11:29] Techrights-sec2 is better even if both are running the antiquated x86 architecture [11:34] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Boot-Joins-OSFF <- TWEET ... as ARTICLE [11:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LinuxBoot Joins The Open-Source Firmware Foundation - Phoronix [11:36] schestowitz-TR ok, to summarise (to self at least) [11:37] schestowitz-TR no more google news here, rianne will still look for tuxmachines [11:37] schestowitz-TR all patent feeds disabled [11:37] schestowitz-TR they are not good for the composure/mood anyway, I will check manually a few sites [11:37] schestowitz-TR no social control media [11:37] schestowitz-TR so we have combined, other links, automated, and rss feeds in quiterss [11:37] schestowitz-TR while showering I asked myself, what if I saw no links inside phoronix [11:37] schestowitz-TR the net yield there is low, I mostly get a few kernel mailing list and git commit links there [11:37] schestowitz-TR and many are x86 junk [11:37] schestowitz-TR that I'd not want to promote anyway [11:37] schestowitz-TR https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Boot-Joins-OSFF <- TWEET ... as ARTICLE [11:37] schestowitz-TR when the SOLE source for the article is a "tweet" (also LF stuff, separate issue) there is no way [11:37] schestowitz-TR I can even add the source to daily links [11:37] schestowitz-TR same for git commits or mailing list message for kernel/mesa [11:37] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:37] Techrights-sec2 x86 /is/ junk [11:37] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:37] Techrights-sec2 faux journalism [11:37] Techrights-sec2 some commit messages are adequate as sources though those tend to be over [11:37] Techrights-sec2 at OpenBSD [11:40] schestowitz-TR if you head over to lkml or other ML mirrors, you will see s/n ratio rather poor and titles rather meaningless [11:40] schestowitz-TR so it's not suitable as is [11:40] schestowitz-TR this is where phoronix used to step in [11:40] schestowitz-TR but he prioiritises AMD patchsets [11:40] schestowitz-TR I used toi think because he specialised in that [11:40] schestowitz-TR but now I think he has a sicth sense for $$ [11:40] schestowitz-TR so you inherit a bias, might be motivated by $, which you yourself are not connected to or benefit from [11:43] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:47] schestowitz-TR youtube is an avalanche atm [11:47] schestowitz-TR I use rss feeds to follow some channels there [11:47] schestowitz-TR they have not been as active lately [11:47] schestowitz-TR I guess not much financial incentive [11:47] schestowitz-TR seeing the net views per effort put in [11:47] schestowitz-TR and bryant is posting "shorts" like some z-gen tiktocker [11:47] schestowitz-TR *tokker I guess [11:47] schestowitz-TR spamnil has literally put his entire channel at risk [11:47] schestowitz-TR youtube DID help bring audiences before [11:47] schestowitz-TR AND spent money paying creators, doing events for them [11:47] schestowitz-TR then it just sort of stopped [11:47] schestowitz-TR I think around 2017 when honeymoon/bubble was ending [11:47] schestowitz-TR youtube is not a charitable effort [11:47] schestowitz-TR same for clownflare [11:47] schestowitz-TR wait till they try to cash in [11:49] Techrights-sec2 youtube has not provided anything useful that was not linked to from outside [11:49] Techrights-sec2 it's "discovery" algorithm is worse than ever [11:49] Techrights-sec2 youtube is not sustainable because the volume of archived material grows [11:49] Techrights-sec2 and its availability is essential in the value / perceived value of the service [11:49] Techrights-sec2 yet the income does not grow in proportion to storage and bandwidth costs, or [11:49] Techrights-sec2 so I would guess [11:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:53] schestowitz-TR to users, the long-term "reliable' storage andf availability of old material is a big selling point [11:53] schestowitz-TR however, as you put it, youtube revenue must grow in proportion to the cost of storage/availability, no matter how stale and rarely-accessed [11:53] schestowitz-TR tat stuff it [11:53] schestowitz-TR that means RAID and inflow of new storage devices, which became more expensive due to inflation in spite of Moore's 'law' [11:53] schestowitz-TR so one option is, "we delete your videos older than [x] years" (unless you pay us, like Vimeo) [11:53] schestowitz-TR the other option is, drive away all your loyal "creators" [11:53] schestowitz-TR they chose the second option [11:58] schestowitz-TR lol [11:58] schestowitz-TR fossbytes has taken it to new extremes [11:58] schestowitz-TR they use wordpress afaik, but went out of their way to block rss [11:58] schestowitz-TR instead they advertise facebook [11:58] schestowitz-TR "foss" [11:58] schestowitz-TR BITES! [11:59] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 12 [12:11] schestowitz-TR I try to see what in google news I might miss [12:11] schestowitz-TR they explain how to put SLACK on CHROMEbook [12:11] schestowitz-TR "FOSS" [12:11] schestowitz-TR nothing to be missed here [12:11] schestowitz-TR that's why I deleted their feed years ago ● Jun 12 [13:29] *spazzz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:32] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 12 [15:43] schestowitz-TR zero google [15:43] schestowitz-TR I'm google-free today [15:43] schestowitz-TR the next challenge will be adding more feeds, maybe prefilter them for topic somehow [15:43] schestowitz-TR btw, js articls, esp. about frameworks like "vue", are considered off topic [15:43] schestowitz-TR because I see many of these and linkig to these can encourage their use [15:43] schestowitz-TR I see them as a rival (to real software) [15:45] schestowitz First impression: less FUD, less false positive, more time to actually research and find on-topic stuff that's not secretly funded by Microsoft or advertising contracts for proprietary junk. ● Jun 12 [16:03] Techrights-sec2 ack [16:03] Techrights-sec2 yes 'frameworks' are malevolent [16:06] schestowitz-TR Geerling uses Mac :/ [16:06] schestowitz-TR I see you skipped that one [16:06] Techrights-sec2 Yes he often uses a macintosh, those can be ignored but many times he [16:06] Techrights-sec2 actually does something interesting and/or useful with GNU/Linux on RPi [16:08] schestowitz-TR I've used Google Alerts/News since they were introduced [16:08] schestowitz-TR I think this is the first time I work without these [16:30] schestowitz-TR EU Commission site = proprietary JS and empty pages. They do not intend to fix this. EUIPO is the same. [16:30] schestowitz-TR I don't think European browsers can handle this unless they clone some American browser [16:30] schestowitz-TR with 30,000,000+ lines of code [16:30] schestowitz-TR and even then, it is not secure [16:55] schestowitz-TR do you think it would be worth running silters and silces through many rss feeds with keywords? [16:55] schestowitz-TR in the gui of quiterss there is no room for automation [16:55] Techrights-sec2 no [16:55] Techrights-sec2 just searching for the presence or absence of strings is quite ineffective [16:55] Techrights-sec2 or an in-depth article can be very informative without actually naming [16:55] Techrights-sec2 what you were searching for with the specific string expected [16:56] schestowitz-TR right, I take your work for it. e.g. this x is "Available for Windoww, Mac, and Linux" does not give high specificity [16:58] schestowitz-TR the lack of "Web Directories" is a big problem [16:58] schestowitz-TR stuff used to be catalogued better before people were brainwashed into "google it!" [16:58] schestowitz-TR I stil,l turn to wikipedia first if possible [16:58] schestowitz-TR then searx.be [16:59] Techrights-sec2 what really helps are very formally structured "newspaper-style" articles [16:59] Techrights-sec2 where the summary is /always/ in the same paragraph etc [16:59] Techrights-sec2 yahoo did that but m$ icahn ensured that it was killed off ● Jun 12 [17:00] schestowitz-TR dmoz and yahoo! directories were importan to people in early 2000s [17:00] schestowitz-TR inc. getting into them [17:01] Techrights-sec2 yes very much so and they did quality work with the curation [17:01] Techrights-sec2 for the most part [17:01] Techrights-sec2 iirc yahoo used and contributed a lot to freebsd, and that irked icahn and bill [17:11] schestowitz-TR i have adopted a different approach [17:11] schestowitz-TR some sites have an rss feed for particular sections and authors [17:11] schestowitz-TR those that cover things relevant to us [17:11] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:11] schestowitz-TR some of that us "URI hacking" [17:11] schestowitz-TR they don't advertise the feeds [17:15] schestowitz cpu-intensive for them, but works: https://mightygadget.co.uk/search/linux/feed/rss2/ [17:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:18] schestowitz-TR if you look at news.google.com and put in 'linux' there is a shockingly small number of unique sources/sites [17:18] schestowitz-TR google news was a lot better than this decades ago [17:18] Techrights-sec2 yes and mostly crap in the results too [17:18] Techrights-sec2 even their UI has become garbage and innaviable [17:18] schestowitz-TR it's not garbage to them [17:18] schestowitz-TR they make it like this for a reason [17:18] schestowitz-TR making the user happy is not a business model [17:18] schestowitz-TR ask twitter [17:19] Techrights-sec2 yes for them it is "engagement" for the rest of us it is time wasted [17:21] schestowitz-TR only 4 iterms in zdnet->linux so far this month [17:21] schestowitz-TR sjvn was in el reg the other day [17:26] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:27] schestowitz-TR at the end I can give you my opml [17:27] schestowitz-TR (combined) [17:27] schestowitz-TR or maybe we can push something to git, though change control for opml would likely work poorly [17:27] schestowitz-TR assuming we have nothing too private in those lists [17:32] schestowitz-TR or maybe we can push something to git, though change control for opml would likely work poorly [17:32] schestowitz-TR assuming we have nothing too private in those lists [17:32] schestowitz-TR WAIT WTF! [17:32] schestowitz-TR Jim Salter now listed as "Former" in Ars staff page [17:33] schestowitz-TR as if he left or got fired [17:33] schestowitz-TR he was like their only remaning person who covered bsd and gnu/linux [17:33] schestowitz-TR last article 11/11/21 [17:33] schestowitz-TR he's the one who linked to the transcript from SELF [17:33] schestowitz-TR no wonder the only time I see ars this year is when an goodin pottymouths it [17:41] schestowitz-TR back when the web hardly had rss feeds I wrote some tools to detect changes in pages and then serve the new items to my desktop [17:41] schestowitz-TR maybe I can make use of that [17:41] schestowitz-TR some sites do not give rss by topic/authorAAA [17:41] schestowitz-TR asking today's web sites for their details rss capabilities is like asking a dishonest mechanic for a receipt [17:41] schestowitz-TR "oh, you want one??" [17:44] Techrights-sec2 pretty similar [17:45] schestowitz-TR of note: many major sites STILL outsource to FEEDBURNER, i.e. Gulag [17:45] schestowitz-TR they will never learn, it's a ticking time bomb [17:45] schestowitz-TR Even "The Hacker News" does this [17:45] schestowitz-TR poor "secops" [17:47] Techrights-sec2 HN is propaganda and dogma [17:48] schestowitz-TR this one is not related [17:48] schestowitz-TR but it does air some anti-Linux FUD [17:54] schestowitz-TR tech[sic]republic (CBS, zdnet) redirects "linux" to "open-source" [17:56] Techrights-sec2 the hyphen is a telltale sign that they are not legitimate. strange how that [17:56] Techrights-sec2 has ended up being an indicator [17:57] schestowitz-TR looking at page sources of bloated corprate sites hunting for xml, rss, feeds etc. [17:57] schestowitz-TR I've seen some ugly stuff like pages that are 2/3 just CSS stuff (in the index) with images as DATA: octal for images [17:57] schestowitz-TR as if web pages as all-in-one tar or zip file ● Jun 12 [18:02] Techrights-sec2 they are a lot of junk nowadays [18:02] Techrights-sec2 see the superficial survey(s) done in 2019 here on TR [18:04] schestowitz-TR experiment I would not do [18:04] schestowitz-TR 1) scan google for topics [18:04] schestowitz-TR count number od sources [18:04] schestowitz-TR sum for each source [18:04] schestowitz-TR plot as a chart [18:04] schestowitz-TR I reckon about 10 domains make up like 70% or more of the results [18:05] schestowitz-TR in english [18:05] schestowitz-TR 5 domains are maybe majority of all [18:05] Techrights-sec2 1) would require some semi-proprietary NLP modules [18:05] schestowitz-TR like the distribution of welath and media companies in the US [18:05] schestowitz-TR so google news becomes a bit of a "laxy person's shortcut" [18:05] schestowitz-TR for what could otherwise b ejust a dozen rss feeds [18:05] schestowitz-TR in patents the few "giants" like lexology dominate results [18:05] schestowitz-TR and they are just relaying lies and marketing spam [18:05] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:12] Techrights-sec2 patents get little to no coverage [18:14] schestowitz-TR OK, I think I now have enough rss feeds to see for tuxmachines about 80%-90% of what I saw through the filter of Google [18:14] schestowitz-TR should we add opml to git at some point? [18:14] schestowitz-TR ok [18:15] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:15] Techrights-sec2 probably not [18:15] Techrights-sec2 since QuiteRSS does not do diffs etc [18:15] Techrights-sec2 import / export is manual and all or nothing at that [18:20] schestowitz-TR see /tmp/roy-june [18:20] schestowitz-TR in this machine [18:20] schestowitz-TR or just keep for ref [18:20] schestowitz-TR I lost about 10 feeds due to time diff between broken DB today and last easily-accessible backup [18:20] schestowitz-TR it would not be worth spending an hour retreiving a more recent one for just 10 URLs of mostly [18:20] schestowitz-TR dodgy howto sites [18:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:20] Techrights-sec2 $ grep -c http roy-june [18:20] Techrights-sec2 1168 [18:20] Techrights-sec2 that's too much to merge manually [18:20] schestowitz-TR this is a combined feeds of your site and mine [18:20] schestowitz-TR they are partioned [18:23] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:23] schestowitz-TR /me noticed fossforce had no post since 18/5 [18:23] schestowitz-TR there is also utm_source=rss[some cruft] trackers [18:23] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:24] schestowitz-TR most of these died for good when gulag served the first death blow to feedburner [18:24] schestowitz-TR but some sites still have this [18:24] schestowitz-TR I don't know feedburner well enough (never used it) to understand why [18:24] schestowitz-TR I imagine it is used to serve them some stats [18:24] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:32] schestowitz-TR feedburner is a failed company [18:32] schestowitz-TR like technorati [18:32] schestowitz-TR it did something useful for some people, perhaps, but that does not mean it can sustain operational costs [18:32] schestowitz-TR a bit like gulagtube [18:32] schestowitz-TR to me, feedburner is like malware [18:32] schestowitz-TR for over 10 years I had to manually delete tracking parts of URLs [18:32] schestowitz-TR and rianne had to do the same [18:32] schestowitz-TR plus, some feeds people followed no longer work [18:32] schestowitz-TR so well done, outsourcers [18:32] schestowitz-TR "subscribe to my blog in this OTHER domain" (oh oh!!) [18:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:33] Techrights-sec2 I haven't looked into feedburner one way or another, but its use does complicate [18:33] Techrights-sec2 the feeds somewhat [18:36] schestowitz-TR "infleuncer" = follow my channel in youtube. banned. [18:36] schestowitz-TR "journalist" = follow me in twitter. shadowbanned. [18:36] schestowitz-TR the latter = follow my article in this site I write for. [18:36] schestowitz-TR and then moves to another site [18:36] schestowitz-TR and another site.. [18:36] schestowitz-TR and starting again with 0 each time [18:36] schestowitz-TR like mJim Salter and SJVN [18:36] schestowitz-TR at one poiunt he ran his own site [18:36] schestowitz-TR but he did not keep it going [18:36] schestowitz-TR from articles that turned into links to other sites he wrote in [18:36] schestowitz-TR and then nothingt [18:36] schestowitz-TR then offline [18:36] schestowitz-TR pragmatictech I think he called it [18:36] schestowitz-TR after quinstreet killed of desktoplinux.com [18:36] schestowitz-TR *off [18:37] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:38] schestowitz-TR this is NOT a google issue [18:38] schestowitz-TR not a Microsoft issue [18:38] schestowitz-TR not a www issue [18:38] schestowitz-TR this is a conceptual and topological issue [18:38] schestowitz-TR people assuming other people will give a shit about their work [18:38] schestowitz-TR companies are not like that [18:38] schestowitz-TR they're not even people! [18:38] schestowitz-TR "do me a favour mate!" [18:38] schestowitz-TR even "coimmunities" like diaspora [18:38] schestowitz-TR look what they did [18:45] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:45] Techrights-sec2 a lot of corporate activities were / are about crushing or preventing community [18:46] schestowitz-TR "zero-sum" mindset [18:46] schestowitz-TR we need to crush this and that [18:46] schestowitz-TR they can undermine some things, but people regroup unless you assassinate them [18:46] schestowitz-TR btw, there is some important stuff re debian coming soon [18:46] schestowitz-TR even the lawyers have their limits [18:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:50] schestowitz-TR to avoid a sursurgene I need to keep some stuff under the wraps and out of irc for now, temporarily [18:50] schestowitz-TR they underestimate the power of unionised volunteers and hacktivists [18:50] schestowitz-TR *resurgence [18:59] Techrights-sec2 unions are important, over in the US, Amazon is doing what it can illegally to [18:59] Techrights-sec2 try to break or prevent them ● Jun 12 [19:00] schestowitz-TR amazon over 1 ml workers [19:00] schestowitz-TR walmart over 2ml [19:00] schestowitz-TR both notorious now for union-busting [19:00] schestowitz-TR there is a massive potential in there for the workers to call the shots [19:02] schestowitz-TR What happens to the Third World when the First World no longer needs it? gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1007 "Observation: Amazon's sole advantage is that it ships stuff fast, but the quality of what you find and price of the stuff that you find isn't that much cheaper than buying stuff second hand from a site such as Ebay, where you typically filter by location." [19:09] schestowitz-TR when people can collectively take on corporations the next level is the samer people taking over the state, which they corporations and their [19:09] schestowitz-TR chiefs typicallty dominate [19:09] schestowitz-TR this is why Sleep Joe and his ilk are so sloppy at supporting union actions [19:09] schestowitz-TR and instead double-dip [19:09] schestowitz-TR for appearase, optics, serving mixed messsages [19:09] schestowitz-TR iceland showed its head of state the door [19:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:14] schestowitz-TR raspberrypiuse.co.uk not only died [19:14] schestowitz-TR but its domain kills off quiterss every time for rss feed requests since months ago [19:14] schestowitz-TR I am checking again my disabled feeds [19:15] Techrights-sec2 :( [19:16] schestowitz-TR quiterss was never so fault-tolerant wqhen receiving some very oddball responses [19:16] schestowitz-TR I think they could make bettgee exception handling or input sanitisation [19:16] schestowitz-TR for years rianne and I wasted hours trying to track down, one by one, [19:17] schestowitz-TR which feed became a culprit [19:35] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:53] schestowitz-TR draft [19:53] schestowitz-TR due to my gulag stance, which I will do a post about shortly, we will be more focused [19:53] schestowitz-TR and those weekly upc posts are affected [19:53] schestowitz-TR i have just published it [19:53] schestowitz-TR forgot to shorten the url slug :/ [19:53] schestowitz-TR anyway... [19:53] schestowitz-TR we got some compliments today on our reporting (via email) [19:59] Techrights-sec2 congrats on the positive feedback ● Jun 12 [20:01] schestowitz-TR some p[eople come for the reports and stay for the links [20:01] schestowitz-TR some come for the links and then read our reports, too [20:01] schestowitz-TR TM+TR over http/s are 8.5 hits/second on average; gemini in TR is 12.2k so far today and IPFS is hard to measure because of the way it works [20:01] schestowitz-TR so as long as we have rss feeds and such... we'll be able to justify the efforts [20:01] schestowitz-TR but traffic ~= quality [20:01] schestowitz-TR if you want traffic, you upload pr0n and stuff [20:01] schestowitz-TR but that's not quality [20:01] schestowitz-TR or run some "streaming" service for football [20:01] schestowitz-TR until you are behind bars [20:03] Techrights-sec2 ack [20:03] schestowitz-TR 20-10 years ago companies feared EFF and FSF condemning them in public [20:04] schestowitz-TR that's where we want to be [20:04] schestowitz-TR due to the nature of the activism that we are doing and the inhernrtly naturew of our goals since tghe BN days [20:10] Techrights-sec2 since then both have been infiltrated and weakened same for LF and OSI. [20:10] Techrights-sec2 Not sure about FFII [20:11] schestowitz-TR does the draft make sense to you? [20:11] schestowitz-TR single pass so far [20:11] schestowitz-TR for sanity sheck [20:11] schestowitz-TR FFII has been unofficially defunct since 2010 [20:11] schestowitz-TR they even joked about it to me [20:11] schestowitz-TR pilch left and the zombie ghost boat was run by nobody oifficially [20:11] schestowitz-TR zoobab and another person occasionally penned something [20:11] schestowitz-TR with the formerly important org name attached [20:11] schestowitz-TR Ante Weseels for instance [20:11] schestowitz-TR *Wessels [20:11] Techrights-sec2 checking [20:11] Techrights-sec2 draft seems off to a good start [20:11] Techrights-sec2 EFF seems into appeasement more than anything else and no longer touches [20:11] Techrights-sec2 any relevant issues, except on rare occasion. [20:11] Techrights-sec2 It was easier for them, I suppose, back when there was an actual trade press. [20:11] Techrights-sec2 Wired, for example, before it got sold, used to cover policy topics. [20:13] schestowitz-TR sorry to say it so bluntly, but when I see wired (schneitr linked to it again the other day) [20:14] schestowitz-TR you deal with another tentacle of the conde nast octopus (Schneier SHOWS interest!! Eyes wide open) [20:14] schestowitz-TR they do the same with the New Yorker [20:14] schestowitz-TR they did play a massive, pivotal role in ousting LT (he came back, conditionally) [20:14] schestowitz-TR and along with Ars and other tentacles they did the same to RMS a year later [20:14] Techrights-sec2 yes it since became garbage, after several sales [20:14] Techrights-sec2 same for /. [20:14] Techrights-sec2 so media consolidation ought to be on the threats list we examined the othe day [20:18] schestowitz-TR yes, but I think we need several charts/blobs [20:18] schestowitz-TR this one did not touch on sw freedom at all, by intention [20:18] schestowitz-TR media consolidation fits in with internet freedom issues [20:18] schestowitz-TR inc. rss, protocol extensions, bloat, and isps curbing upload speeds [20:18] schestowitz-TR it's a very complex task to map [20:18] schestowitz-TR without even naming any particular brand [20:18] schestowitz-TR btw, boss blurted out changes tasking effect only 2 months from now [20:18] schestowitz-TR but tentative decisions by month's end [20:18] schestowitz-TR they drag their heels, but meanwhile we get paid and in two months' time rianne can start the naturalisaiton process/application [20:18] Techrights-sec2 excellent if you can get the naturalization process completed soon [20:19] schestowitz-TR it is not so crucial, but a nice-to-have and easier if she has a long-term employment record (9 years in the company this year; they can issue an [20:19] schestowitz-TR endorsement letter) [20:19] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 12 [21:23] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Jun 12 [22:26] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [22:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 12 [23:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell