●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 ●● ● Jul 12 [00:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 12 [02:11] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Jul 12 [04:08] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:09] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [04:09] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 12 [06:09] schestowitz-TR repairing db [06:09] Techrights-sec tm-generate-feed.pl -v -d 20220711 -s -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ -r /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/ [06:20] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:32] Techrights-sec tm-generate-feed.pl -d 20220712 -s -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ -r /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/ -x > /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/latest-news.html [06:33] schestowitz-TR just tried that [06:33] schestowitz-TR also finished repairing db [06:33] schestowitz-TR this time it was a lot of work [06:33] schestowitz-TR er really need to move the site soon [06:34] Techrights-sec any word on the new VM ? [06:38] schestowitz-TR I've just prodded again\ [06:38] schestowitz-TR gtg in a moment [06:38] schestowitz-TR I was posting links and doind 4 things at the same time [06:38] schestowitz-TR inc. db repair [06:38] schestowitz-TR then forgot my thought/one todo item [06:38] schestowitz-TR not a huge deal [06:38] schestowitz-TR it was not critical [06:38] schestowitz-TR I was also checking the TR backups [06:38] schestowitz-TR almost all of them are fine [06:38] schestowitz-TR almost [06:38] Techrights-sec it does two variations, one HTML one Atom/XML: [06:38] Techrights-sec tm-generate-feed.pl -d 20220712 -s -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ -r /var [06:38] Techrights-sec /www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/ > /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/feed.xmlm [06:38] Techrights-sec ok [06:38] Techrights-sec \ ● Jul 12 [07:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 12 [08:38] Techrights-sec otr: probably a paid troll [08:38] schestowitz-TR we seem to have a new troll in #techrights [08:38] schestowitz-TR I am probing the motivations at the moment [08:39] schestowitz-TR def. a troll, I can see now... [08:39] schestowitz-TR will try to handle without mutes, just ignoring/mocking (like herr sixel) [08:39] schestowitz-TR you can see scrollback if curious [08:39] schestowitz-TR anyway, mjg is really under fire [08:39] schestowitz-TR and I don't have to lift a finger [08:41] Techrights-sec at least that is an improved situation [08:41] Techrights-sec mjg helped cause the current situation which is now beginning to manifest [08:41] Techrights-sec lenovo is the first of what will likely be many [08:41] Techrights-sec or all [08:45] schestowitz-TR as both dfc and I noted some hours ago in irc [08:45] schestowitz-TR mjg silent... [08:45] schestowitz-TR he wants to be seen as hero calling on lenovo to spot this [08:45] schestowitz-TR after he did the damage [08:45] schestowitz-TR i thinbk there is a term for this kind of behavious [08:45] schestowitz-TR like you declare a war [08:45] schestowitz-TR and then call for peace [08:45] schestowitz-TR f* fsf tbh, for somehow giving him an open door to board and award [08:45] schestowitz-TR how the fuck it happened? [08:45] schestowitz-TR I think the corporate patronage [08:45] schestowitz-TR mjg was their mole [08:45] schestowitz-TR reminds me of eff shilling microsoft and giving AWARDS to the Microsoft privacy abusers [08:45] schestowitz-TR so f* eff too! [08:45] schestowitz-TR they\re not my frienbds [08:45] schestowitz-TR apropos, you saw what I wrote about phroonix 2 hours ago [08:45] schestowitz-TR f* him too [08:45] schestowitz-TR amd = pluton, lenovo windows-only [08:45] Techrights-sec :( [08:45] Techrights-sec attention spans being what they are with most folks, it needs to be brought [08:45] Techrights-sec up again and again that he was integral in causing this [08:45] Techrights-sec if mjg joins deicaza or poettering, it would be no surprise. [08:45] Techrights-sec ack [08:45] Techrights-sec :( [08:46] Techrights-sec attention spans being what they are with most folks, it needs to be brought [08:46] Techrights-sec up again and again that he was integral in causing this [08:46] Techrights-sec if mjg joins deicaza or poettering, it would be no surprise. [08:46] Techrights-sec ack [08:46] schestowitz-TR contrary to what microbell said last week, Mirosoft is NOT hiring [08:46] schestowitz-TR maybe in exceptions it does [08:46] schestowitz-TR I heard it from inside Microsoft [08:46] schestowitz-TR they're in pain [08:50] schestowitz-TR ---- [08:50] schestowitz-TR a) wait till CAs turns out to be the same [08:50] schestowitz-TR b) same for sigstore [08:50] schestowitz-TR I will have the last laugh! [08:50] schestowitz-TR c) I try not to get angry over this, we wrote a lot on this subject already [08:50] schestowitz-TR d) more EPO series coming later today, we have a LOT of good material about the "fucking president" [08:52] schestowitz-TR --- [08:52] schestowitz-TR social control media is a flamestorm that can redirect anger in an instance [08:52] schestowitz-TR and make activism hard becayuse [08:52] schestowitz-TR 1) compsusre [08:52] schestowitz-TR 2) focus [08:52] schestowitz-TR 3) you start insulting and cursing at people instead of focusing on the issues [08:52] schestowitz-TR next company meeting in august, I just want colsure for this, but they don't want to pay compensation easily, so they will drag and drag [08:53] Techrights-sec brigading is one of the problems which social control media is designed to enable [08:55] schestowitz-TR maybe not originally designed for it [08:55] schestowitz-TR that aside, a querstion worth studying [08:55] schestowitz-TR like "highlighting" other users [08:55] schestowitz-TR or "trending" [08:55] schestowitz-TR I think those were added a lot later [08:55] schestowitz-TR after it was no longer chronological timeline [08:55] schestowitz-TR anyway, glad you too gave up on mastodon [08:55] schestowitz-TR I see more people jumping on the badwagon of jumping OFF the badwagon [08:55] schestowitz-TR I hope it'll implode like myspace [08:55] schestowitz-TR FB will just be "meta"... something... [08:57] Techrights-sec not originally but quickly optimized for it [08:57] Techrights-sec mastodon is almost as much of a waste of time as twitter, and for most of [08:57] Techrights-sec the same reasons ● Jul 12 [09:00] schestowitz-TR crude thoughts: [09:00] schestowitz-TR joins identica 2009 [09:00] schestowitz-TR did not want to [09:00] schestowitz-TR in irc, trmanco convinced me [09:00] schestowitz-TR added twitter as "shadow" later [09:00] schestowitz-TR posted via ping.fm IIRC, to both [09:00] schestowitz-TR changed software to some adobe thing later, then choquok (KDE/Qt) [09:00] schestowitz-TR it started gaining impact [09:00] schestowitz-TR fast-forward 2019 [09:00] schestowitz-TR after making a lot of mess in the world twitter, joindiaspora and mastodon already dying [09:00] schestowitz-TR fewer active users [09:00] schestowitz-TR a lot less traffic [09:00] schestowitz-TR people still assume it's 2014 [09:00] schestowitz-TR and won't let go because of addiction [09:00] Techrights-sec most of what the social control media sites have going for them [09:00] Techrights-sec is 1) the network effect, and 2) the misperception that it is a communications [09:00] Techrights-sec medium [09:01] schestowitz-TR for quite a few years I had an autorepondoer saying contact me via identica [09:01] schestowitz-TR some relatives even created accounts there for it [09:01] schestowitz-TR later changed to irc [09:10] Techrights-sec there was a bit of news coverage for a while about how the UI was designed [09:10] Techrights-sec and refined to be highly addictive and, at the same time, unproductive [09:24] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [09:27] Techrights-sec the "smartphone" "apps" are useless for finding and showing things; [09:27] Techrights-sec lots of people have tried to show me stuff and end up just flickign around [09:27] Techrights-sec almost aimlessly in hopes of finding what it was they thought they stored there [09:27] Techrights-sec sometimes they find it after a while but never easily; worst most are under [09:27] Techrights-sec the wrong assumption that the object (e.g. photo) they are searching for is [09:27] Techrights-sec on their phone. There should be scare quote on "on" and "their" because it's [09:27] Techrights-sec on a server and the phone is only held by them but operated by large companies [09:27] Techrights-sec maemo was ok but that's a big reason why the board (m$) brought in Elop to [09:27] Techrights-sec kill off the compan [09:27] schestowitz-TR when alll you have is a "back buttom" and clown it's not meant to empoer the user in any way [09:27] schestowitz-TR imagine running techrights from a tablet or phone [09:27] schestowitz-TR btw, rianne used to post to tuxmahciens from a tablet [09:27] schestowitz-TR it was like 4 times slower [09:27] schestowitz-TR even switching between windows is a hassle [09:27] schestowitz-TR nokia tried to fix this in maemo [09:28] Techrights-sec By the way, is there a Patreon or Stripe account for Tux Machines? [09:30] schestowitz-TR no, and outsourcing to such third parties seems risky to me [09:30] schestowitz-TR maybe in the future we'll figure something out [09:30] schestowitz-TR assuming only rianne works in the company and we barely make ends meet [09:30] schestowitz-TR or maybe we'll take "patron" money from Gulag in exchange for inserting some MJG into the board [sic] [09:30] schestowitz-TR to oust me ;-) [09:30] Techrights-sec Some method for collecting donations ought to be set up. ● Jul 12 [10:15] Techrights-sec about.shtml and index.shtml are updated on the mockup [10:23] schestowitz-TR just finishing off epo stuff [10:23] schestowitz-TR in drafts now [10:23] schestowitz-TR I'm trying to weed out mistakes [10:29] Techrights-sec ack [10:31] schestowitz-TR nice work on the front page and rss feed [10:31] schestowitz-TR if pageloads are fast, then I suppose full text feeds are not as critical [10:31] schestowitz-TR did you reuse a bit of my shell script? [10:31] schestowitz-TR \ [10:31] schestowitz-TR it was only a prototype anyway [10:31] schestowitz-TR like ways to determine time last modified [10:31] schestowitz-TR but I guess the db overrised that method [10:32] schestowitz-TR *rides [10:33] Techrights-sec thanks, it still needs /lots/ of polish though [10:33] Techrights-sec just some of the pieces not the script itself [10:33] Techrights-sec yes there is a lot of change and discarding [10:33] Techrights-sec I accidentally deleted a whole script yesterday as I was going to back it up [10:33] Techrights-sec it took about 2/3 as long to do it again from scratch, but is probably short [10:33] Techrights-sec er and more efficient this time around [10:33] Techrights-sec It is possible to add in a last-modified time, too. [10:33] schestowitz-TR (off-topic: i quite like it when people call me a microsoft hater or say I am obssessed and then go to techrights [10:33] schestowitz-TR and it's aall about corruption not related to Microsoft; which discredited the ad hom very fast) [10:34] Techrights-sec Can you trouble Rianne to take a look and give some ideas or feedback about [10:34] Techrights-sec the mock up? [10:34] Techrights-sec The system does not have inotify / incron so the update has to be run manually. [10:34] Techrights-sec tm-add-entry-sql.pl; [10:37] schestowitz-TR calling rianne from the kitchen (just had breakfast) [10:37] schestowitz-TR btw, nodes will def. get updated with followup, buming them up upon update would be good, maybe latest addition to node [10:37] schestowitz-TR shown on top [10:37] schestowitz-TR we can extend all this to figure out how to best edit events and ongoing stories [10:38] Techrights-sec tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ ; [10:38] Techrights-sec navigation is still missing but I'd like to hear about the core first [10:38] Techrights-sec Parkinson's Law applies to CMS design and scripting in general, severely [10:38] Techrights-sec ok [10:45] schestowitz-TR hang on.. [10:45] schestowitz-TR I have just [10:45] schestowitz-TR a) shown front page [10:45] schestowitz-TR b) show how we add a node (android) [10:45] schestowitz-TR c) tried to run an opdate [10:45] schestowitz-TR tried to open individual "node" (did not succeed) [10:45] schestowitz-TR rss has validation error atm [10:45] schestowitz-TR but she is OK with it [10:45] schestowitz-TR I told her she'd run it with rianne option [10:47] Techrights-sec here is the workflow the last three steps would be automated with incron: [10:47] Techrights-sec workflow-notes.text [10:47] Techrights-sec ok [10:48] schestowitz-TR running the commants,it takes less than 1 sec on the SBC [10:48] schestowitz-TR on the server it would be faster [10:48] schestowitz-TR I guess post length is not the bottleneck [10:48] Techrights-sec ok new bugs [10:48] Techrights-sec yes it would be faster on a real computer, the post lenght would not affect [10:48] Techrights-sec that speed [10:59] schestowitz-TR great job, I like it [10:59] schestowitz-TR as logn as perl is around and some basic tools like sqlite the technical debt will be minimal [10:59] schestowitz-TR even repairing the site should not be hard [10:59] schestowitz-TR backups would probably be just rsync [10:59] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines almost never has any filkes uploaded [10:59] schestowitz-TR for TR we caN CREATE A WHOLE NEW irc SECTION WITH AUTOMATION IN it [10:59] schestowitz-TR sorry, caps [10:59] schestowitz-TR wordpress should not be needed for a secttion such as this (ipfs already has its own section, videos too) [10:59] schestowitz-TR working on epo articles atm ● Jul 12 [11:00] Techrights-sec sqlite will be around and perl5 will eventually transition to perl7 but [11:00] Techrights-sec it might be possible to take the time to redo the individual scripts [11:00] Techrights-sec later as python or raky [11:00] Techrights-sec ^aku [11:00] Techrights-sec ^raku [11:01] schestowitz-TR "old" tuxmachines can just be restored with 'factory restore' dDB dump [11:01] schestowitz-TR if it has issues [11:02] Techrights-sec btw which external feeds should it show besides 9to5Linux ? [11:02] Techrights-sec yes [11:02] Techrights-sec btw which external feeds should it show besides 9to5Linux ? [11:03] schestowitz-TR if that's for 'padding' the sidebars (or similar), we can use opml files later [11:03] schestowitz-TR or copy across the feeds from "old" TM [11:03] schestowitz-TR those can be good for SEO reasons [11:04] schestowitz-TR stuffing more words in a page about a short node [11:09] schestowitz-TR noting to self: on TR we can delay the same, starting with new section for IRC posts [11:09] schestowitz-TR no need for social control media "cards" (image previews), it is a dying medium anyway [11:09] schestowitz-TR the github stuff or other "leaks" can maybe be adapted as well for a static cms style [11:09] schestowitz-TR but I don't know how yet... 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[12:36] Techrights-sec too many commans and parentheses [12:36] schestowitz-TR thanks, working tro correct what you pointed otu while vieo processes ● Jul 12 [13:06] Techrights-sec thanks [13:06] Techrights-sec Devices/Embedded: Small SBC and Arduino [13:06] Techrights-sec ^otr : wrong paste [13:06] Techrights-sec thanks [13:06] Techrights-sec Devices/Embedded: Small SBC and Arduino [13:06] Techrights-sec ^otr : wrong paste [13:08] schestowitz-TR scrollback has a lot more [13:08] schestowitz-TR or wait till tomorrow's daily irc logs, starts circa 1pm gmt [13:09] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:12] schestowitz-TR drizzle here [13:12] schestowitz-TR we need some of that [13:12] schestowitz-TR humid though [13:43] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:45] schestowitz-TR i am rsyncing TR uploads dir at the moment [13:45] schestowitz-TR all of it [13:45] schestowitz-TR before FS repair [13:45] schestowitz-TR just in case [13:45] schestowitz-TR tons of critical assets there (more info and context in irc) [13:45] Techrights-sec good idea [13:45] schestowitz-TR regarding experiemntce with xfs_repair [13:46] schestowitz ah, that's whyt [13:46] schestowitz hmm i see [13:46] schestowitz actually, i think this is not so bad. [13:46] schestowitz phew [13:46] schestowitz this xfs log notice is old [13:46] schestowitz so i guess repairing the xfs filesystem will fix it [13:46] schestowitz since january 6th (yes, we checked exact date) some backup gz files were failing [13:46] schestowitz in april we started having tm db issues, it's the only db hosted locally [13:46] schestowitz yeah that's when we did a reboot on the SAN [13:46] schestowitz i think [13:46] schestowitz okay [13:46] schestowitz well nbd [13:46] schestowitz i'll fix it [13:46] schestowitz at one point one file became empty file, but that was back in april, seen no such issue since [13:46] schestowitz tomorrow night [13:46] schestowitz the san reboot was february [13:46] schestowitz oh, was it? [13:46] schestowitz okay [13:46] schestowitz well [13:46] schestowitz yeah, I checked the dates [13:46] schestowitz easy enough to fix [13:46] schestowitz :D [13:46] schestowitz I was worried [13:46] schestowitz even scanned the sizes of all files ● Jul 12 [14:17] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 12 [15:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:02] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 12 [17:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [17:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:36] schestowitz https://www.fosslife.org/how-prevent-memory-leaks-java [17:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | How to Prevent Memory Leaks in Java [17:36] schestowitz " [17:36] schestowitz Memory leaks occur when an application accidentally hangs on to object references that are no longer necessary, explains Joydip Kanjilal, and over time these leaks can lead to performance degradation. [17:36] schestowitz This programming tutorial covers memory leaks in Java, including why they occur despite Javas garbage collection capability and how you can prevent them. [17:36] schestowitz " ● Jul 12 [18:15] *asusbox has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:15] *asusbox (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:21] schestowitz-TR Microsoft: get busy, regulators, with "GAFA"... while we too spy even more than "GAFA" and also commit a ton of crimes... including against GNU/Linux (which we claim to "love" to keep you asleep) [18:21] schestowitz-TR Why is Microsoft absent from this? Have the bribes paid off? Paid politicians? Paid press? https://techpolicy.press/u-s-antitrust-reform-is-necessary-to-defend-global-human-rights/ [18:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techpolicy.press | U.S. Antitrust Reform Is Necessary to Defend Global Human Rights [18:21] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- techpolicy.press | U.S. Antitrust Reform Is Necessary to Defend Global Human Rights [18:22] schestowitz-TR Public Access is already infiltrated by Microsoft (the Board), but is Access Now also infiltrated to distract and deflect? ● Jul 12 [21:07] schestowitz-TR LOLOLOLOL! Kaiku shoots its own foot by outsrcing payment processing to a crime syndicate called Microsoft https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2022-07-11_github_sponsors/ [21:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.haiku-os.org | Haiku, Inc. Now Accepting Donations Through GitHub Sponsors | Haiku Project [21:09] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:09] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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