●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 12, 2022 ●● ● Sep 12 [01:43] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [01:45] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-3fi.jlq.b7sqn6.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [02:38] *chunky has quit (Quit: brb) [02:43] *chunky (~chunky@wa5c3nj9mkua2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [03:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:05] psydruid This entire comment thread is ridiculous with a "Microsoft Spatial Text Engineer" arguing against WINE and in favour of native GNU/Linux games and using Windows to run native Windows games and applications [03:05] psydruid https://tweakers.net/downloads/61636/wine-717.html?sort=time-asc&orderBy=time&order=asc&niv=-1&mode=flat#reacties [03:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tweakers.net | Software-update: Wine 7.17 - Computer - Downloads - Tweakers [03:06] psydruid Is this one of their new tactics to slag off the competition? [03:07] psydruid Being a concern troll now to Steam OS is making Windows obsolete for gaming as well ● Sep 12 [04:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:27] psydruid that* ● Sep 12 [05:57] schestowitz-TR2 yeah, I ignore this site ● Sep 12 [06:08] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:11] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@e7nm23jvrepda.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [07:08] Techrights-sec otr: that's not a long track record though, and if he has pissed off marius ... [07:08] Techrights-sec otr: where are the old articles? [07:19] psydruid I wonder if this is a tactic employed by Microsoft across more media now that Steam is getting more traction [07:20] psydruid I haven't seen them attacking Wine/Proton like this before [07:21] psydruid Calling it "dubious", "possibly illegal", " technically inferior and obsolete" [07:21] psydruid This Microshit company is getting really nasty now that its demise is imminent [07:24] schestowitz-TR2 hmmm [07:24] schestowitz-TR2 weird [07:24] schestowitz-TR2 remember in 2007 novell released a document in easter [07:25] schestowitz-TR2 about what it it had agreed with microsoft... regarding patents and wine [07:25] schestowitz-TR2 I can find articles we wrote 15 years ago [07:29] psydruid They're also spinning it as being too cheap to want to buy a Windows licence, even though previous owners and I already paid for those on all of my laptops [07:29] psydruid I just decide not to use is [07:29] psydruid Rarely has a company been this deluded [07:31] psydruid It's like all of those things from the 2000s are coming back now [07:31] psydruid In reality the issues never went away, they were just hidden under the surface ● Sep 12 [08:24] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 12 [09:11] Techrights-sec I think it had been the sudo configuration which was the only thing blocking [09:11] Techrights-sec the gemini page. [09:11] Techrights-sec Yes [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 prior to this the capsule updated OK for a month [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 but anyway, now we have a clone of the system with those settings intact [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 I don't want ipfs to run only from one place because when things go south, it's already "too late" [09:12] Techrights-sec However, I don't know anything about IPFS and don't really have the [09:12] Techrights-sec background or interest for it. That said, there ought to be a way to [09:12] Techrights-sec nice the daemon down either with nice or ionice or both. [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 thw www is going down the toilet [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 see today's IRC logs [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 and people who don't seem to grap what's happening [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 *grasp [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 "just one more site to block" [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 "last... promise" [09:13] Techrights-sec Yep [09:13] Techrights-sec Just one more and it will all be perfect. [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 also conflating sites with random people who post there [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 and then insinuating that dfc posting shit makes the site liable [09:30] Techrights-sec That conflation is getting pushed at the political level and M$ seems to be [09:30] Techrights-sec making progress against the Biden administration in turning them against 47 U.S. Code 230 [09:30] Techrights-sec If "230" is removed, then M$ will have a free hand to censor as much as they [09:30] Techrights-sec want without hinderance. Same for Facebook and the other malefeasants. [09:30] Techrights-sec See Cory's notes from the other day: [09:30] Techrights-sec https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/10/big-data/#230-quagmire [09:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 10 Sep 2022 American healthcare did a fuckery, the White House has a plan for Big Tech big-data Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [09:30] Techrights-sec s/malefeasants/malfeasants/ ● Sep 12 [10:08] *_Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-t17.do2.f90g06.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:09] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 :-) [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 any gemini capsule added, and bigger is better, helps momentum [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 "Connection refused" [10:21] Techrights-sec Which service should new Gemini capsules be added to? [10:23] schestowitz bottom of gemini://geminispace.info/ [10:24] schestowitz-TR2 not lupa [10:24] schestowitz-TR2 lupa takes the list from the crawling and other DBs [10:24] schestowitz-TR2 bottom of gemini://geminispace.info/ [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 ota (moz) [10:39] Techrights-sec Thanks [10:39] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 12 [11:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:08] *_Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:22] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-3mi.m9c.nvmqcc.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:32] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:33] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-pnq.7g1.npeqlc.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 I think I shall take a 'break' from statcounter for a bit [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 I think we made some key points [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 and same for netcraft [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 until there is some very profound change [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 draft [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 left summary empty, as you might suggest point to emphasise [11:35] Techrights-sec There will be an opportunity to return to the topic in a few months anyway. [11:35] Techrights-sec It's not just that the market is readjusting it is that people are seeing it. [11:35] Techrights-sec Or m$ is unable to hide their decline much any more. [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid made some key points today, re wine and tweakers [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 seems the trolling or face-saving BS/PR is changing [11:41] Techrights-sec https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/11512/cyber-crime/turkey-another-story-on-use-of-fraudulent-digital-certificates.html [11:41] Techrights-sec https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/turkish-government-agency-spoofed-google-certificate-accidentally/ [11:41] Techrights-sec ^ Gallagher was ok for a while [11:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-securityaffairs.co | Turkey - Another story on use of fraudulent digital certificates - Security AffairsSecurity Affairs [11:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Turkish government agency spoofed Google certificate accidentally | Ars Technica [11:42] schestowitz-TR2 I wil add the refs, thanks [11:42] schestowitz-TR2 conde nast fired all their linux-friendly authors [11:42] schestowitz-TR2 all of them [11:42] schestowitz-TR2 same as in softpedia [11:42] schestowitz-TR2 may be good for traffic, but not for "SPONSORED" [11:42] schestowitz-TR2 nor for the moles ● Sep 12 [12:25] Techrights-sec ack [12:25] Techrights-sec possibly this one too [12:25] Techrights-sec https://kipdf.com/the-fundamentally-broken-browser-model_5aaea3331723dd636fbbfe24.html [12:25] Techrights-sec as it covers the more abstract problem [12:25] Techrights-sec the above were just concrete examples [12:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Fundamentally Broken Browser Model - KIPDF.COM [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 I hope I caught all the typos [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 adding a screenshot [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 I will do a sort of meme now with the second link ;-) [12:43] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 draft [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 done ● Sep 12 [13:00] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:04] Techrights-sec Ignore the kipdf link, here is the correct one: [13:04] Techrights-sec https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-217.htm [13:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.grc.com | Security Now! Transcript of Episode #217 [13:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 i am proud to have added a live stream of lpc to tux machines [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 so people can view it w/o youtube by just entering the page [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 latest page [13:10] Techrights-sec LPC ? [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 I've added the direct link to the episode 'security now' ● Sep 12 [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [16:05] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:06] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:23] schestowitz-TR2 It does not say how Linux systems actually get infected, so Bruce Schneier just helps Microsoft-serving attention-shifting FUD https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/new-linux-cryptomining-malware.html [16:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New Linux Cryptomining Malware - Schneier on Security [16:35] Techrights-sec ack [16:36] schestowitz-TR2 blame slashdot [16:36] schestowitz-TR2 /. editor goes with this narrative [16:36] schestowitz-TR2 then security 'guru' relays it [16:36] schestowitz-TR2 along with dan goodin and other microsofters [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 I smell cookies... [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 did you write a convertor or is it fone manually? [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 /*done ● Sep 12 [17:02] Techrights-sec ack [17:02] Techrights-sec It's done manually. So a couple of them are a little out of sync as I've [17:02] Techrights-sec made some changes to the HTML first. [17:02] Techrights-sec The bilberry liqueur can be made with blueberries instead and, if started now, [17:02] Techrights-sec would be ready for Christmas. :) [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 I've just read a few; I realise how out of touch I am w/ cooking [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 but rianne makes up for it [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 buying premade (prepared) food is very expensive [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 very, very expensive [17:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:29] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [17:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [17:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:47] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:48] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [18:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:08] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:09] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:37] Techrights-sec ack [18:37] Techrights-sec The sort order in TM's 'Recent Posts' should appear more sensible now. [18:37] Techrights-sec The sorting had gotten a little complicated internally and has been simplified [18:37] Techrights-sec now. ● Sep 12 [19:02] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:21] schestowitz-TR2 He repeats what the editor of Slashdot pinned there. The Microsofters then repeat him https://securityboulevard.com/2022/09/new-linux-cryptomining-malware/ t does not say how Linux systems actually get infected, so Bruce Schneier just helps Microsoft-serving attention-shifting FUD. [19:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-securityboulevard.com | New Linux Cryptomining Malware - Security Boulevard [19:22] schestowitz-TR2 eating without preparation is not fun and not healthy [19:22] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, yes, the order matters [19:22] schestowitz-TR2 i think using some fuzzy logic we can derive 'categories' [19:22] schestowitz-TR2 atm no archives or site search [19:23] Techrights-sec np. I know it had been bothering people, [19:23] Techrights-sec Search can probably be added, though likely with some minor tweaks needed to [19:23] Techrights-sec the database first. [19:33] schestowitz-TR2 He repeats what the editor of Slashdot pinned there. The Microsofters then repeat him https://securityboulevard.com/2022/09/new-linux-cryptomining-malware/ [19:33] schestowitz-TR2 aka circlejerk [19:33] Techrights-sec Yep, a FUD cycle. [19:33] Techrights-sec What owns Slashdot at the moment? [19:35] Techrights-sec I find only stuff from a few years ago, [19:35] Techrights-sec https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/slashdot-media-to-merge-with-bizx-llc-creating-a-market-leader-in-b2b-software-technology-and-data-1028780285 [19:35] Techrights-sec perhaps it is still current? [19:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-markets.businessinsider.com | Slashdot Media to Merge with BIZX, LLC, Creating a Market Leader in B2B, Software, Technology, and Data | Markets Insider [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 probably. [19:35] Techrights-sec https://www.signalhire.com/companies/bizx-llc [19:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-BIZX (now part of Slashdot Media) Overview | SignalHire Company Profile [19:36] schestowitz "Web Media, Lead Generation, Online Media, Business Listings, Demand Generation, Software Reviews, Online Marketing, Data Analytics, Digital Advertising, Custom Content, Competitive Intelligence, Data Optimization, Prospecting, SaaS, Sales Intelligence, Web Publisher, Digital Media, Internet" [19:37] Techrights-sec Well, that explains how / why SourceForge died off [19:53] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [20:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uyus7d84g6zpu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [21:35] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-n7n.91u.f90g06.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 12 [23:08] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [23:09] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-7pu.t9u.3gi2rd.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [23:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:37] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [23:37] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [23:37] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-7pu.t9u.3gi2rd.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [23:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell