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[16:29] Techrights-sec Weird. I was almost certain it was done as usual. I should add timestamps to [16:29] Techrights-sec the shell log for that session. [16:29] Techrights-sec Anyway, it is now posted, although quite behind the usual time. [16:29] schestowitz-TR Thanks, been a bit stresseful here today [16:31] Techrights-sec Hope it settles down there. [16:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:34] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-111121.html#tNov%2011%2016:17:22 [16:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, November 11, 2021 [16:34] Techrights-sec EPO is de-legitimizing several states and authorities. [16:35] schestowitz-TR yes, we keep stock of them. Their participation is corrosive. [16:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:48] Techrights-sec "[...] the digital equivalent of being abandoned on the streets of New York City?" https://digitalvegan.net/ [16:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-digitalvegan.net | Digital Vegan Book ● Nov 12 [17:09] schestowitz-TR the reason for my angst is mentioned in the first 10 mins of the video I upload at the moment, eta 20 mins [17:10] Techrights-sec Will listen once it has posted. [17:37] Techrights-sec Increased work load => increased salary [17:38] Techrights-sec Overtime is usually at least 150% base pay. During weekends or odd hours [17:38] Techrights-sec it should be at least 200%. [17:42] schestowitz-TR I was supposed to start work 5:30pm [17:42] schestowitz-TR I am protesting [17:42] schestowitz-TR Rianne said I'd come online 9pm [17:43] schestowitz-TR and then logged out [17:43] schestowitz-TR the way this was handled was beyond bad and I don't mind making a bit of a scene [17:44] schestowitz-TR I thought about doing a video about phoronix again, but he's the wrong "target" to focus on [17:44] schestowitz-TR any other suggestions for videos? [17:44] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@q6ukkcqphvkv6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:45] Techrights-sec Still listening, but I would recommend lots of text since most can read [17:45] Techrights-sec faster than they can listen, at least certain generations can. [17:45] Techrights-sec Also text boosts Gemini. [17:49] Techrights-sec Maybe the above about the EPO working against the EU and the German government [17:49] Techrights-sec which puts the EPO on the wrong side of the law. [17:55] Techrights-sec Video content is more ephemeral than text, since it does not get AAAAAAAAindexed yet in the search engines. [17:57] schestowitz-TR it is vastly faster to make and for topis where I need something like slides or page or PDF it helps... but I know I [17:57] schestowitz-TR should do more text. Maybe I should cross swords with my bosss for a whilke; bragging about how low my salary is ha [17:57] schestowitz-TR s its limits and they are poushing it now... and it's juust taking up time... I could say much more and vent, but wo [17:57] schestowitz-TR uld rather get back to my usual routine [17:58] Techrights-sec As far as topics go, the AARD historical review shows that M$ is still the same [17:58] Techrights-sec espeicially if it can be proven that they are messing with WINE [17:58] Techrights-sec Is there a way to petition for acknowledgement of the overtime and such? [17:58] Techrights-sec Be sure to at least document it in your work journal so that if it keeps [17:58] Techrights-sec happening, you have a record to refer to. [17:58] schestowitz-TR this is the first time in years that this happens ● Nov 12 [18:00] schestowitz-TR I want to change subject anyway [18:00] schestowitz-TR no good would come out of this [18:00] schestowitz-TR About topics, I have conflicts in terms oif missions and perceptions [18:00] schestowitz-TR e.g. if we go atter small targets and miss the bigger issues [18:02] Techrights-sec ack [18:02] Techrights-sec The big stuff is important but much of it comes down to world politics. [18:02] Techrights-sec IIRC it was Bruce Schneier who was most prominent in pointing out that [18:02] Techrights-sec the choice is between insecure computers for everyone or secure computers [18:02] Techrights-sec for everyone. So many agencies are used to being able to snoop and poop at [18:02] Techrights-sec will that they are adamant about enforcing insecure computers for everyone. [18:03] Techrights-sec Look at all the "technical" advisors that the Biden administration is afflicted [18:03] Techrights-sec with. THere is not a single bona fide security expert there. Where is [18:03] Techrights-sec Schneier, Perens, Haldeman, Spafford, yes David A Wheeler, too? [18:03] schestowitz-TR David Wheeler [18:03] schestowitz-TR ariadne's boss [18:05] Techrights-sec Instead snake oil peddlers and sales drones buzz in and out of the White House [18:05] Techrights-sec at their liberty. Perhaps FOSS needed (or needs, if the goal is to remain [18:05] Techrights-sec viable) to take up a collection and hire a handful of professional, full-time [18:05] Techrights-sec lobbyists. However, M$ and the others are able to infiltrate even the smallest [18:05] Techrights-sec projects, sometimes directly, and cause infighting over CoCs and just about [18:05] Techrights-sec anything. [18:05] schestowitz-TR IBM [18:07] schestowitz-TR to cope with publication at scale and still do Daily Links in TM and TR I must rely on outside contributors too or have my own low-quality, full of typos (like IRC) articles [18:08] Techrights-sec The taistoism movement used the same methods that M$ includes in their tactics. [18:08] Techrights-sec So for those methods the approaches which beat taistoism are likely to also [18:08] Techrights-sec work against microsoftianism. However, that gets back to the harball politics [18:08] Techrights-sec at the global scale. Were you able to ever get a copy of the book, [18:08] Techrights-sec "Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of How the Wildest Man in Congress and a Rogue CIA Agent Changed the [18:08] Techrights-sec History of Our Times " [18:08] Techrights-sec It is also available as audio CD so one can slog through it while doing [18:08] Techrights-sec some other non-though intensive task. [18:08] schestowitz-TR public domain works that are of relevance to us can be files in gemini. a book can be one megabyte only, inc. with styling [18:09] schestowitz-TR we are not a curation site per se, but by Internet standards we have a long span of 15 years of links, so a lot of the material we have is no longer available anywhere except IA [18:12] Techrights-sec It is harder and harder to round up links. [18:12] Techrights-sec https://www.worldcat.org/title/charlie-wilsons-war-the-extraordinary-story-of-how-the-wildest-man-in-congress-and-a- [18:12] Techrights-sec rogue-cia-agent-changed-the-history-of-our-times/oclc/264798705 [18:12] -altlink_b55/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: worldcat.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.worldcat.org/title/charlie-wilsons-war-the-extraordinary-story-of-how-the-wildest-man-in-congress-and-a- [18:12] Techrights-sec Yes, the IA is very important but it will succumb as the WWW is phased out [18:12] Techrights-sec in favor of pbfuscated, proprietary javascript. [18:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.worldcat.org | Results for 'ti:"charlie wilsons war the extraordinary story of how the wildest man in congress and a "' [WorldCat.org] [18:12] schestowitz-TR ack [18:12] schestowitz-TR off-ish topic-ish: [18:12] schestowitz-TR 2-3 years ago I said to people the www wll die [18:12] schestowitz-TR don't know whenm or how [18:12] schestowitz-TR buit we don't know yet what will replace it [18:12] schestowitz-TR so it's a "format-shifting'" task [18:12] schestowitz-TR "evolve or perish" [18:13] Techrights-sec Maybe links should be accompanied by an archive link either at the IA or [18:13] Techrights-sec elsewhere. [18:14] schestowitz-TR archive.is is interesting, but it'll die one day [18:18] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) [18:19] schestowitz-TR In the long run they will all pass away. In formal archives, one of the [18:19] schestowitz-TR initial decisions the institution has to make about any given artifact is [18:19] schestowitz-TR that of how long it shall be preserved for. Nothing lasts forever, but [18:19] schestowitz-TR there are ways of stretching things out and the duration determines the [18:19] schestowitz-TR methods of preservation. IIRC Norway aims to keep certain items in its [18:19] schestowitz-TR official archives for 1000 years. Media shiftin will obviously be involved, [18:19] schestowitz-TR but at a loss for some items. [18:19] schestowitz-TR The plan pre-dates AWA by a great many years: [18:19] schestowitz-TR https://arcticworldarchive.org/about/ [18:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arcticworldarchive.org | About AWA [18:19] schestowitz-TR is this subject worth covering? I'm no expert, but I can have a go at it.. [18:20] Techrights-sec You have experience as to how it affects TR and TM . [18:21] schestowitz-TR yes [18:22] schestowitz-TR Already in 15 short years, may whole sites are gone. And of the sites that [18:22] schestowitz-TR remain, many have lost all their old articles in clumsy reorgs. Of that which [18:22] schestowitz-TR is left, some of those have purged documents with "inconvenient" messages or [18:22] schestowitz-TR themes. [18:22] Techrights-sec [18:22] Techrights-sec Already in 15 short years, may whole sites are gone. And of the sites that [18:22] Techrights-sec remain, many have lost all their old articles in clumsy reorgs. Of that which [18:22] Techrights-sec is left, some of those have purged documents with "inconvenient" messages or [18:22] Techrights-sec themes. [18:23] Techrights-sec Yes, even Groklaw purged its comments. [18:23] Techrights-sec I suppose few to none of the Groklaw comments made it into the Library [18:23] Techrights-sec of Congress archives. [18:23] schestowitz-TR and comments [18:24] *blitzed (~blitzed@jmptguzak4qf8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:24] schestowitz https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Techrights%22 [18:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.org | Internet Archive Search: subject:"Techrights" [18:26] Techrights-sec 4 results. Perhaps WordPress has some archival plug-in which could help? [18:27] schestowitz-TR gemini tar (I have the file from weeks ago) might be better, should I upload it? Safe this way? [18:31] schestowitz-TR 4 results. Perhaps WordPress has some archival plug-in which could help? [18:31] schestowitz-TR I think so, but maybe the IA has a preferred method or approach to that? [18:31] schestowitz-TR Gemini is rather new and they might have a special interest in figuring out [18:31] schestowitz-TR the best practices for it. I expect that whatever the solution, it will not [18:31] Techrights-sec 4 results. Perhaps WordPress has some archival plug-in which could help? [18:31] Techrights-sec I think so, but maybe the IA has a preferred method or approach to that? [18:31] Techrights-sec Gemini is rather new and they might have a special interest in figuring out [18:31] Techrights-sec the best practices for it. I expect that whatever the solution, it will not [18:31] Techrights-sec be complex. [18:31] schestowitz-TR be complex. [18:31] schestowitz-TR It the text-onky-web-scrape file safe to upload as is? Just cxhecking [18:32] Techrights-sec Yes, as far as I know. It's not got the Wiki though. [18:32] Techrights-sec But not all posts make sense without the pictures or videos. [18:34] schestowitz-TR uploading 205 mb [18:34] schestowitz-TR will do a post about this, maybe it can inspire other sites to think ahead [18:38] Techrights-sec I hope so, many programmers and even engineers are conscientious in erasing [18:38] Techrights-sec anything "old" even important records. [18:38] Techrights-sec Now with electronic media, there is often only a single copy of anything [18:38] Techrights-sec any more and that introduces, obviously, a single point of failure. [18:43] Techrights-sec So in the old days, one could maintain a relevant personal or professional [18:43] Techrights-sec archive. Now those are all centralized and continue to exist only at the [18:43] Techrights-sec whim of participant consensus. 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