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[13:49] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Dec 12 [16:16] *altlink_a45 has quit (connection closed) [16:16] *altlink_f90 (~altlink_f90@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:51] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:52] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:57] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:57] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 12 [17:16] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zvy9y8s293m5q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 12 [18:06] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:45] schestowitz-TR Just opened the envelope [18:45] schestowitz-TR very, very nice [18:45] schestowitz-TR I will ready it a secondt time, this time a lot more slowly, some time tomorrow [18:46] schestowitz-TR I often wonder what it is like to live in a sort of isolated place, as a friend sort of did (we visited this past summer)... but I suppose that just like the war in general-purpose computing there will be attempts to metaphorically herd people [18:47] Techrights-sec the speed with which it arrived was a surprise [18:48] schestowitz-TR I have 70 unread items left in IRC for patents. tonight 3 posts piled up already for sweden. let me know of any article ideas... I have more spare time than I anticipated this morening [18:49] schestowitz-TR btw, phoronix did not mention Microsoft lately, and I have reasons to suspect we have the ntended effect [18:51] Techrights-sec That's good , Phoronix had been a good site and would only lose its reader base [18:51] Techrights-sec by sucking up to Redmond. In exchange for selling out he would not gain [18:51] Techrights-sec the traffic from any microsofters. [18:51] Techrights-sec So it was a losing proposition even if it looked like money at first. [18:52] schestowitz-TR there is a saying along the lines of, not sure of original or language of origin [18:52] schestowitz-TR it takexs x to gain credibility and [less than x[ to lose it [18:52] Techrights-sec yep [18:53] schestowitz-TR michael is so bruised in the eyes of many in techrights irc [18:53] schestowitz-TR rianne is less forgiving them me (years ago she was already furious at SJVN) and she says no poit sneding traffic again to larabel as he is not predictable and cannot be trusted [18:54] schestowitz-TR sorry for typos [18:54] schestowitz-TR you know what I meant [18:54] schestowitz-TR anyway, I should type in IRC first, then copy across [18:55] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines was, according to alexa, sending biggest traffic source for larabel [18:55] Techrights-sec I'd say its' worth watching the situation and seeing if he recovers his [18:55] Techrights-sec form and if so only then link to him again. [18:57] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 12 [19:10] schestowitz-TR serious question [19:10] schestowitz-TR I no longer driver [19:10] schestowitz-TR I don't have smart phone [19:10] schestowitz-TR only landline [19:10] schestowitz-TR how can I write about those risks without coming across as some foolish hypocrite? [19:21] Techrights-sec Not hypocritical. You successfully avoid the problems you warn about. [19:21] Techrights-sec However, the "smart"phones and the surveillance engines in everyting else [19:21] Techrights-sec are harder to avoid. I know someone in the US who bought and installed [19:21] Techrights-sec Amazon's Ring (tm) "doorbell" and didn't give a shit about any of the [19:21] Techrights-sec technical shortcomings let alone the privacy disaster it embodies. [19:21] Techrights-sec So the issue is not hypocracy but distance from the average slob in regards [19:21] Techrights-sec to views and experiences. Some whine about wages yet at the same time [19:21] Techrights-sec exploit slave labor like Wolt or Doordash or whatever. Another showed the map [19:21] Techrights-sec of his house, via his smartphone, drawn by the vacuum cleaner which feeds [19:21] Techrights-sec all data back to HQ for processing. The map and control over the device [19:21] Techrights-sec are crumbs in exchange for the data, yet because the map was "on" the phone [19:21] Techrights-sec and the phone never leaves his person it is seen as secure. [19:21] Techrights-sec Others are all in WhatsApp and Instagram yet claim they never use Facebook, being uninterested in that. Further [19:21] Techrights-sec more, they like the others, they respond that [19:21] Techrights-sec they never send anything to the net even though it all goes through Instagram [19:21] Techrights-sec or WhatsApp. For them, it is "on" their phones... [19:21] Techrights-sec So the common theme is that none of them have even an inkling about how the [19:21] Techrights-sec systems and devices work and where and how the data is collected and passed [19:21] Techrights-sec around. [19:21] schestowitz-TR some of these things I did not know. So I guess being repetitive and explaining these points is the latest one can do, seeing that govs won't put an end to it because they benefit from the collection and even subsidise this [19:22] Techrights-sec For the rest it is as Max Schrems calls forced consent. There are no choices [19:22] Techrights-sec if one gets a phone, a tv, a car, or any number of products these days, [19:23] schestowitz-TR in most situations there is still a choice, but the window of escape is closing fast and there is penalty for non-adopters [19:26] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:27] schestowitz-TR what other outreach method? [19:27] schestowitz-TR wiki? [19:27] schestowitz-TR articles? [19:28] schestowitz-TR in my very narrow poov, the idea goes like this [19:28] schestowitz-TR start with an ieda [19:28] schestowitz-TR get clueful people to read it [19:28] schestowitz-TR then, offline, they will pass on the message [19:28] schestowitz-TR or online but not directly [19:28] Techrights-sec There is also the challenge of re-decentralization which goes against the [19:28] Techrights-sec push by GAFAM to eliminate the last of the small and medium sized players. [19:28] Techrights-sec The question about certificates is not a technical matter but of one about [19:28] Techrights-sec which institutions are allowed to vouch for a CA. [19:29] schestowitz-TR LF does the same now for "apps" [19:29] schestowitz-TR with sigstore [19:29] schestowitz-TR or whatever gulag and ibm call it [19:29] schestowitz-TR LF fronts for them [19:29] schestowitz-TR so you are talking about doing the same as they do on there www but to binaries [19:31] schestowitz-TR btw, at x86 level with uefi they attempoted to leverage monopoly/monoculkture for "trust" [19:31] schestowitz-TR mode, controlled by Microsoft, for OS you boot [19:31] Techrights-sec yes that would be another [19:31] Techrights-sec example. Also the "app" store don't actually vet the software other than to [19:31] Techrights-sec ensure that no independent repositories are allowed to survive. [19:34] schestowitz-TR generally speaking, I miantain that highest "bang for the buck" pub-wise is Daily Links [19:34] schestowitz-TR as there is never enough time to cover everything but linking to [19:34] schestowitz-TR those who have put in the effort helps both them and the readers [19:34] schestowitz-TR I doi wonder if there is room for technical work that somehow makes the [19:34] schestowitz-TR assemlage of these links more usable, e.g. some ways of correlating stories, also [19:34] schestowitz-TR across days, based on themes and such [19:34] schestowitz-TR I like how in lagrange the Dailyt Links posts [19:34] schestowitz-TR are shows with categories along the left, based on headings [19:35] schestowitz-TR like a bookmark [19:37] Techrights-sec Cataloging the stories would be a whole separate task ... [19:37] Techrights-sec It would be very very useful to do so, but probably consume twice again as much [19:37] Techrights-sec time as collecting and collating the links in the first place. Plus [19:37] Techrights-sec cataloging is rather though intensive. Most of all, consistency is the [19:37] Techrights-sec essential factor and that means having as few people as possible work on the [19:37] Techrights-sec task over time, since even with collaborators, there is little overlap. [19:37] schestowitz-TR the overlap agrow and will grow as news runs dry. already, for foss, half of what you sent me I included already [19:37] schestowitz-TR ;-) [19:39] Techrights-sec So one cannot achieve perfect accuiracy just consisitency. [19:39] Techrights-sec Yes as lamented over the last few years, the news really is drying up more and [19:39] Techrights-sec more. There are really only a few good, relevant articles per day at most. On [19:39] Techrights-sec some days, there are even fewer. Friday through Monday, for example, are quite [19:39] Techrights-sec empty. [19:39] schestowitz-TR except in india [19:41] schestowitz-TR shifting to a more relevant point in 20013-14 I lacked time to cover stories so I experimented with turning FOSS News Picks into mini stories. That was still time consuming, basically short articles (like bruce Scheier) with a long list of references at the bottom [19:44] Techrights-sec The Indian sites have material but it is a very small percentage of the actual [19:44] Techrights-sec articles, and a lot to wade through. [19:44] Techrights-sec People are getting boxed in regarding choice of products and the loss of control [19:44] Techrights-sec ushered in with the new devices. Schrems covers some of the web sites, but [19:44] Techrights-sec while that is going on online, there is a far worse situation happening [19:44] Techrights-sec around /everyone/ in the physical world. Everything has at least a microcontro [19:44] Techrights-sec ller in it. USB-C cables are computers... [19:44] Techrights-sec whereas USB-A cables were simply wires. [19:46] Techrights-sec As for the list of references, I would highly recommend a reference database [19:46] Techrights-sec Zotero is good in principle but has a terrible and inefficient interface. [19:48] Techrights-sec I use WordPresss [19:48] Techrights-sec failing that, GulagSearch [19:48] Techrights-sec in the web era, refs is just a url or url+title pair [19:48] Techrights-sec in articles I always include both, even if in the body of an article [19:48] Techrights-sec it makes it easier to locate artiocles when they vanish years later [19:50] schestowitz-TR I use WordPresss [19:50] schestowitz-TR failing that, GulagSearch [19:50] schestowitz-TR in the web era, refs is just a url or url+title pair [19:50] schestowitz-TR in articles I always include both, even if in the body of an article [19:50] schestowitz-TR it makes it easier to locate artiocles when they vanish years later [19:50] Techrights-sec you were just mentioning adding in keywords, too, the title, URL and summary [19:50] Techrights-sec can be harvested automatically from the daily links but then adding [19:50] Techrights-sec a line or two of comments plus keywords (subject headings) can be quite [19:50] Techrights-sec inconvenient with a bad interface. [19:50] Techrights-sec Caching the body of the article would be useful too, that can be fetched using [19:50] Techrights-sec the URL. [19:51] schestowitz-TR we can do so-called (joking) "big data" and turn the large cache of Daily Links into some new gemini pages, [19:51] schestowitz-TR just as many wiki pages were in fact derived from site archives [19:51] Techrights-sec Wiki is difficult and does not scale. ● Dec 12 [20:11] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [20:12] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@ejbn8z296rjbk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:29] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/book-review-global-mandatory-fair-use.html?showComment=1638995255500#c4246663389526259311 [20:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book review: Global Mandatory Fair Use - The IPKat [20:29] schestowitz "Reminds me of prof. Senftleben's attempts to expand the 'pastiche', parody or quotation exceptions to a point not supported by ordinary language nor legal sources. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3325017 and https://www.communia-association.org/2020/06/10/communia-salon-2020-2-protecting-freedom-expression-via-pastiche-exception/ Ultimately such attempts to bypass the legislative's sole power to expand the limited list of [20:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: ssrn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3325017 [20:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-papers.ssrn.com | User-Generated Content Towards a New Use Privilege in EU Copyright Law by Martin Senftleben :: SSRN [20:29] schestowitz exceptions to copyright InfoSoc Directive, to mold it into a common law 'fair use' exception-lite, are wishful thinking or outcome based reasoning." [20:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.communia-association.org | COMMUNIA Salon 2020/2: protecting freedom of expression via the pastiche exception International Communia Association [20:30] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/book-review-restructuring-copyright.html?showComment=1638998143347#c2761959852757770307 [20:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book Review: (Re)structuring Copyright, A Comprehensive Path to International Copyright Reform - The IPKat [20:30] schestowitz "|But does the author have any view on the excessive term of protection, 70 years after the arbitrary year wherein the author deceased? " [20:31] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/12/does-injunction-gap-violate.html?showComment=1638945667048#c4889665287913069687 [20:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Does the injunction gap violate implementers' fair trial rights under the ECHR? - The IPKat [20:31] schestowitz " [20:31] schestowitz maintenance as granted is not the same as invalidity (in full) - the actual statistics for invalidity (in full) are below 40% for granted EP and DE patents as far as known here [20:31] schestowitz In any event, it all depends on the specifics of the case at hand and the side that is seeking its right [20:31] schestowitz A lawfully entitled patentee should not be deprived of their rights either... (despite any shortcomings of the injunction gap) [20:31] schestowitz And yes experience shows German judges do grant a stay of the proceedings based on their own judgement ... 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