●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 ●● ● Oct 13 [00:25] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2jhmc32syugya.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [04:38] *forgetmenot (~b9dc64f9@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:38] *forgetmenot (~b9dc64f9@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [05:15] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [05:45] *forgetmenot (~b9dc64f9@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:45] *altlink_22b (~altlink_22b@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:46] *forgetmenot (~b9dc64f9@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [07:43] *the_janitor has quit (Quit: reboot or something) ● Oct 13 [08:23] *spazz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 13 [09:20] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:55] schestowitz x https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/09/25/why-it-is-wise-to-add-bitcoin-to-an-investment-portfolio [09:55] -altlink_22b/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/09/25/why-it-is-wise-to-add-bitcoin-to-an-investment-portfolio [09:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.economist.com | Why it is wise to add bitcoin to an investment portfolio | The Economist ● Oct 13 [10:57] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Oct 13 [12:46] *altlink_22b has quit (connection closed) [12:46] *altlink_22b (~altlink_22b@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@juwac8rxypkig.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [13:44] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.eu/migueldeicaza/status/1448202860353802243#m [13:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Miguel mask and vax de Icaza (@migueldeicaza): "What they lack in smarts, they make up in volume." | nitter [13:44] schestowitz-TR2 our friend Miguel [13:44] schestowitz-TR2 the crowd of the troll [13:44] schestowitz-TR2 from Microsof [13:46] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.eu/migueldeicaza/status/1448200314465751049#m [13:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Miguel mask and vax de Icaza (@migueldeicaza): "Went to see what that was about, and they are still talking about me? They need to see a doctor." | nitter [13:46] schestowitz-TR2 using all that gender politics [13:47] schestowitz-TR2 to distract from the actual substance [13:47] schestowitz-TR2 typical BS [13:47] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: ^^ [13:48] psydruid stay classy Miguel El Traidor [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 yeah [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 at least you see the target audience [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 the same tactics against RMS [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 call people transphobic or something [13:48] schestowitz-TR2 even those who are not [13:49] DaemonFC Miguel tried interviewing to work on Internet Explorer in 1997. So it shows where he's been at the entire time. [13:49] DaemonFC GNOME was just a paycheck and a way to try to prove his loyalty, by stuffing it with Microsoft shit as part of a resume. [13:49] psydruid I am convinced he and Friendman were sent out on a mission to destroy free software from the inside out by Microsoft [13:49] psydruid indeed [13:49] psydruid Friedman* [13:50] psydruid lol, Friendman [13:50] DaemonFC I'm a friend, man! [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: they are together in this [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, you see their methods [13:50] psydruid I'm your friend, I will stab you in the back in a friendly way! [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 they are class traitors [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 and they attack the communityt [13:51] DaemonFC OOXML and the worst boot firmware ever. [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 they cannot defend what they do on ethical and technical grounds [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 so they start provoking people [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 and then use all that unrelated nonsense [13:51] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Matthew Garrett was smearing Coreboot the other day on Twitter. [13:52] DaemonFC The whole reason Google uses it on Chromebook is to get away from dodgy and unsupportable uEFI mess that would just make the Chromebooks unreliable with decades of bugs and ridiculous Microsoft specs that are 100x bigger than they need be. [13:52] psydruid he will shout about it from rooftops everywhere he goes [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 don't mention "rooftops" [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 he'll make false allegations [13:53] DaemonFC They didn't really get away from any of the BIOS problems. [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 apparently leah hates his guts [13:53] psydruid yeah, just against me hopefully [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 for the FUD [13:53] DaemonFC Because they copypasted all of the code that was a true nightmare and then wrote a bunch more. [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 promote Microsoft boot [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 bash libre and core boot [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 get FSF award [13:53] *schestowitz-TR2 in disbelief [13:54] psydruid seeing his life's work being reduced to zero value must hurt his pride [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 did FSF waste an award in an effrot to appease a professional troll? [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: wellk, he still amassed a lot of money by attacking us [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 can probably retire already [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 at 40 something [13:54] DaemonFC Since there was no hard requirement to drop any ACPI or AML stuff, there's still code that was copypasted that goes looking for Windows 98 and Linux 2.4 kernels that you can't even run on uEFI anymore. [13:55] DaemonFC It still exists on Lenovo's current laptops even though they removed the CSM module that could allow it to POTENTIALLY boot some old OS like that. [13:55] psydruid schestowitz-TR2, retire to do what? tweet nonsense all day long? [13:56] DaemonFC In their books, if it works at all, it's perfect. Leave it alone. [13:56] DaemonFC No reason to do a code cleanup. [13:56] DaemonFC And to Miguel and Matthew, those people are role models. [13:56] psydruid how hard is it to boot other operating systems on current Intel and AMD hardware? [13:56] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, And if you talk about this, they never give you a reply. Ever. [13:57] psydruid I have zero experience with it, so I don't know [13:57] DaemonFC psydruid, On this laptop? You can't boot anything that needs a legacy BIOS. [13:57] DaemonFC You also probably can't boot anything that doesn't understand all of the weird firmware bugs and disregards them. [13:58] DaemonFC Or anything that doesn't implement Windows 10's style of ACPI code. [13:58] DaemonFC At least if you want power management to work. [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 I never tried alternative bootloaders [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 almost did with SEABIOS [13:59] DaemonFC The problem Linux used to have with ACPI wasn't that firmware just disregarded it entirely. [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 iirc, whatever that was called [13:59] psydruid 2 years ago I installed Debian amd64 in QEMU on Debian arm64 to see if that would be a viable way to run and test applications for that architecture, but I think it will still take a few more years for the performance to become good enough for such scenarios [13:59] DaemonFC It's that it said "If you're Linux, take this bad code path and crash.". [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 well, not bootloaders [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 wrong term [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 more like BIOS [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 now it's not even bios [13:59] psydruid at least with QEMU you can still get a regular open BIOS [13:59] DaemonFC And so since Linux 2.6.9, it ignores those cases and uses a Windows ACPI table. [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 they 'cook' or 'bake' malicious crap into the computers [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 and let the OS even MODIFY this [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 what a terrible design [13:59] schestowitz-TR2 with network access ● Oct 13 [14:00] psydruid without any of the uEFI, Secure Boot and TPM nonsense [14:01] DaemonFC The TPM is not mandatory. IF you don't have a driver for it, you could just ignore it and let it not work at all. [14:02] psydruid I know it isn't mandatory, but shipping it by default is already something that should be up to the user/buyer and not to the x86 computer industry [14:02] DaemonFC Theoretically, uEFI doesn't need bootloaders. [14:02] psydruid just make a facility for people to insert their own TPMs [14:02] DaemonFC But you can't even rely on that because many OEMs cripple it so you need a bootloader again. [14:02] psydruid unless the goal is controlling your clients [14:02] psydruid but then I am not sure I want to deal with your company [14:04] DaemonFC Linux has a driver for the TPM in this laptop, I think. [14:04] DaemonFC Not sure what uses it. [14:07] DaemonFC I don't like encrypted storage. [14:08] DaemonFC I don't have anything that sensitive and I'll probably lose my data to some complexity or bugs introduced by the encryption itself before I lose control of the storage. [14:08] DaemonFC Plus you can wipe a drive before discarding it. [14:08] psydruid I can see a use case for work computers [14:09] psydruid but even the control should be with IT support and not with the hardware vendor [14:09] DaemonFC To the Matthew Garretts, security is losing your data because Bitlocker freaks out at every BIOS update and randomly for good measure. [14:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, ^ [14:09] psydruid even then* [14:10] DaemonFC something happened something happened - Windows 10 [14:10] DaemonFC I saw another error like this on Windows 11 recently. [14:11] psydruid it's still a farce that this operating system is being used to control an entire hardware industry [14:12] psydruid and also to carry out important tasks at companies [14:12] psydruid when it isn't suitable for anything more than playing Solitary [14:28] *sears_hardware has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:31] *sears_hardware (~search_social@akqta89mfqm5k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [15:21] *schestowitz-TR2 is now known as sandwich [15:21] *sandwich is now known as sandwitz [15:42] *sandwitz is now known as schestowitz-TR ● Oct 13 [16:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 13 [17:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@juwac8rxypkig.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:22] *blitzed has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:28] *blitzed (~blitzed@4wpiswdzgnhac.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 13 [18:06] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:36] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:36] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:38] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:39] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [19:15] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:21] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 13 [20:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@j7e2ctm68xba6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:58] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 13 [21:12] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:12] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:12] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kb7gttbdzq9z6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:30] schestowitz-TR headsup [21:30] schestowitz-TR we have an important whistleblower [21:30] schestowitz-TR Microsoft/GitHub [21:31] schestowitz-TR will try to use mumble for e2ee ● Oct 13 [22:11] psydruid It looks like they are aware of the backlash and that Techrights helps getting their abuses out into the world [22:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:54] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 13 [23:02] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell