●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 ●● ● Feb 14 [00:25] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [00:26] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 14 [01:01] *asusbox has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:01] *asusbox (~rianne@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:26] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:56] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Feb 14 [02:13] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/yuhong2/status/1625296946691981312#m [02:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.lacontrevoie.fr | Yuhong Bao (@yuhong2): "https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues There used to be a "lets remove google from foss" thread where I had to mention techrights." | La Contre-Voie - nitter [02:14] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/yuhong2/status/1625298399934435333#m [02:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.lacontrevoie.fr | Yuhong Bao (@yuhong2): "Part of the reason I paid attention to @MarginaliaNu is the hardware issues it shows." | La Contre-Voie - nitter [02:17] schestowitz-TR2 "Joensuu's employment services chief says she thinks that employers still have unnecessary prejudices against hiring immigrants." https://yle.fi/a/74-20017683 [02:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yle.fi | Foreigners' Finnish skills considered a bigger obstacle than they really are, city official says | News | Yle Uutiset [02:45] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ann6rz72hhbuu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 14 [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] k00k: [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] Re: Quotations from Chairman Mao [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > The richest source if power to wage war lies in the masses of the [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > people. The imperialists are bullying us in such a way that we will have [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > to deal with them seriously. [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > Considering the revolutionary war as a whole, the operations of the [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > peoples Guerillas and those of the main forces of the Kuomintang, [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > compliment each other like a mans right arm and left arm. [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > Unquestionable victory in or defeat in War is determined mainly by the [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > masses, of Political, Economical and Natural conditions on all sides. [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > The Object of War is Specifically to preserve oneself and destroy the enemy. [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > So in hindsight, why are we supposedly helping U.S & European Union [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > imperialism? [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > Have you read the quotes from Mr Shwab of the WEF? "Pedophilia is [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > Nature's Gift to Children!" according to him. Yet surely if Mr Shwab [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > lived in China where 70 Billion ARM devices where sold, he would already [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > be hanging for his pediatric and dim view by the neck on public display! [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > [03:48] schestowitz[TR2] > Best wishes ● Feb 14 [04:37] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:38] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 14 [05:00] schestowitz-pi broke glass bowl in kitchen, seconde incident in two monrings, but this damage is not expensive, [05:00] schestowitz-pi it mostly wastes timr [05:00] schestowitz-pi *time [05:12] schestowitz-pi had lots to paste here yesterday (links) and some stuff to say, but worried scrollback would be [05:12] schestowitz-pi exceeded [05:12] schestowitz-pi anyway, that was not too important [05:12] schestowitz-pi i have lots of time to watch the news more widely than before and go beyond foss [05:12] schestowitz-pi i tried the version 7 of the script and I got the "~" issue again [05:14] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:15] schestowitz-pi saw lots of "good" news so far since 11pm rise [05:15] schestowitz-pi when i say "good" these days it often means something bad for epople or companies that I strongly dislike [05:15] schestowitz-pi at 10am today I want to observe ONS number [05:15] schestowitz-pi I had some ;''throwaway' datasheets on my old drive before it crashed [05:15] schestowitz-pi it might thus be a little tricky to quickly generate the same kind of analysis [05:15] schestowitz-pi but i don't mind [05:15] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:15] schestowitz-pi if I minded those lost files, I'd back them up more often [05:15] schestowitz-pi a "bomb" (shell) may soon drop on epo [05:15] schestowitz-pi major scandal [05:15] schestowitz-pi working on graphics [05:15] schestowitz-pi btw, your february and ours feels almost like spring, can't complain.. [05:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:27] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fm2cs4sn4hxmk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 14 [06:02] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:33] schestowitz-pi near the top the feeds are more sparsely populated [06:33] schestowitz-pi but pgup/down helps ● Feb 14 [08:06] schestowitz-pi one good thing about being unhinged, unlocked, off the rails of a gui [08:06] schestowitz-pi and doing your own code is that it is easily extensible [08:06] schestowitz-pi no need to lobbyp "upstream" [08:06] schestowitz-pi but now, having been deatched from quiterss, i already think how to use heuristics [08:06] schestowitz-pi limited to gui (like filtering by words) to script things and cluster related topics [08:06] schestowitz-pi algorithmically [08:06] schestowitz-pi we already manage toi post far more links per day [08:06] schestowitz-pi (btw, just got back, catching up a bit) [08:06] techrights[sec] In the last 15 years lobbying upstream, even when providing sampe code, is [08:06] techrights[sec] a waste of time. [08:06] techrights[sec] I suppose something with a GUI could be built out aspects of the feed reader [08:06] techrights[sec] script, but it's not a high return on effort until there are more reasons to [08:06] techrights[sec] learn PyQt and such. [08:09] schestowitz-pi i'm quite good at guis and used many frameworks [08:09] schestowitz-pi but would rather not rush to gui-fy things as there is a maintenance overhead [08:09] schestowitz-pi when new versions come out [08:09] schestowitz-pi not good roi [08:09] schestowitz-pi my matlab/octave gui stuff had me ranked #1 in the world around 2004 or 2005 [08:09] schestowitz-pi gui fetishes are a 90s thing [08:09] schestowitz-pi i think due to many people m,ovined from doses to various windowing things [08:09] schestowitz-pi and it was "all the rage" [08:12] techrights[sec] the only area a GUI /might/ help is being able to edit the OPML entry inside [08:12] techrights[sec] the interface. Because the UI is currently a web page, that is to possible at [08:12] techrights[sec] the moment. [08:13] schestowitz-pi it's easy enough for me with nano and kate [08:13] schestowitz-pi the latter is a GUI [08:13] schestowitz-pi but sure, it does not do editing per se [08:13] schestowitz-pi not in the beyond-nesting level [08:13] schestowitz-pi there are xml and opml general-purpose editors [08:13] schestowitz-pi no need to make antoher one ;-) [08:21] techrights[sec] Exactly. [08:22] schestowitz-pi wow, this toolset is really awesome, wish we had done this years ago [08:22] schestowitz-pi but did not until the crash [08:22] schestowitz-pi i already knew I was not efficient because the workflow felt wrong [08:22] schestowitz-pi lots of clicking and copying, where the actions were repetitive [08:24] schestowitz-pi all i really needed was 1) overview, 2) no text, 3) consistent format [08:24] schestowitz-pi overview as in, let's see what's new atm [08:24] schestowitz-pi btw, phoronix can barely produce even one headline worth clicking in per day now [08:24] schestowitz-pi a lot is just some kernel patches that don't matter much [08:24] schestowitz-pi due to over-emphasising quotas [08:26] techrights[sec] It's all about finding which parts of the workflow cann be offloaded onto [08:26] techrights[sec] scripts and about tuning the workflow to facilitate that while still getting [08:26] techrights[sec] revelvant tasks done. [08:26] techrights[sec] Too much clicking is always a bad sign even if some people enjoy it and [08:26] techrights[sec] find it addictive^Wengaging. [08:26] techrights[sec] Body text could be added as per the automated feeds but I think that would [08:26] techrights[sec] add very little to no value. I've only checked two or three Phoronix articles [08:26] techrights[sec] in recent months and they were really more like blurbs than posts or articles. [08:26] techrights[sec] Given Michael's great work in the past, I feel bad for the situation he is in [08:28] schestowitz-pi he still does benchmarks, but a lot of the rest is to generate "clicks" and get people to [08:28] schestowitz-pi see the ads, which are most of each page [08:28] schestowitz-pi i meant above to seay "no images", not "no text" [08:28] schestowitz-pi very seldom do images become really essential to what I am reading [08:28] schestowitz-pi esp. in technical domains [08:28] schestowitz-pi like some photo of a politician [08:28] schestowitz-pi adds nothing [08:28] schestowitz-pi regarding outlines, at the moment I offload the html using my script, so use the two [08:28] schestowitz-pi tools in parallel [08:28] schestowitz-pi i am dump mine into /tmp in 2 mins [08:32] schestowitz-pi two files just added to /tmp [08:32] schestowitz-pi exmplifying the dirty script/hack [08:32] schestowitz-pi and its output that I then use [08:32] schestowitz-pi some feeds, like france24, are neat because they're providing just enough text, not badly [08:32] schestowitz-pi tranculated, and there no ?tracking-junk trailing the url (i manually remove those) [08:32] schestowitz-pi so I can read, categorise, post to irc and my backup at the site schestowitz.com while it gets added [08:32] schestowitz-pi to Daily Llinks [08:33] schestowitz-pi *truncated, not sure why I typed that strange word [08:33] schestowitz-pi muscle memory I guess [08:33] techrights[sec] Is body text needed? I figure it would be probably be hidden by a click and [08:33] techrights[sec] if a click is needed it might as well bring up the full web page in the browser [08:35] schestowitz-pi regarding body text, is there a "hidden" property for blockquote? [08:35] schestowitz-pi or some other approach? [08:35] schestowitz-pi so that it appears in the html file but not in the browser [08:35] schestowitz-pi the context is very unpredictale, varies from site to site [08:45] schestowitz-pi out of curiousity, and i rarely do such stuff, i checked how many requests per week for the Daily Links fish thi [08:45] schestowitz-pi ngie (over html/SOME RSS clients but not all, def. not gemini), it says 35k-40k [08:45] schestowitz-pi i.e. 5k+ a day [08:45] schestowitz-pi checking image requests helps count out bots, spiders, and passive readers over the full text rss [08:45] schestowitz-pi feed (we give everything in rss, as some people demand to read it this way and it is more [08:45] schestowitz-pi convenient if you can afford the b/w) [08:45] schestowitz-pi apachelog says every 5 mins about 200 reqs for the TR RSS feed [08:45] schestowitz-pi so if you assume people poll once a day that can be a lot [08:46] schestowitz-pi i think that, all in all, Daily Links are actually the most useful contribution of the site [08:46] schestowitz-pi or so I was told [08:46] schestowitz-pi i know several foss sites that tried to copy it but gave up as they cannot do it as well [08:46] techrights[sec] I'm not sure how many feed readers are broken though [08:49] schestowitz-pi yeah, these metrics are not reliable and should not matter much [08:49] schestowitz-pi back in 2004ish I was getting obsessed with site traffic [08:49] schestowitz-pi to the point where I spent too much time worrying about it [08:49] schestowitz-pi 5 mins ago it said 100+ requests for the linux-china webm files were made in <5 mins [08:49] schestowitz-pi those are not likely to be bots [08:49] schestowitz-pi i was surprised to see 50k reqs for videos per week [08:49] schestowitz-pi if you go to google.com [08:49] schestowitz-pi press video [08:49] schestowitz-pi search for linux stuff [08:49] schestowitz-pi techrights is listed there and ranked well [08:55] schestowitz-pi i feel sort of bad for people who still think Google/YouTube as a shim between their audience is safe [08:55] schestowitz-pi or twitter "followers" instead of direct access to rss feeds [08:55] schestowitz-pi our rss address has been the same for almost 17 years [08:55] schestowitz-pi companies don't last this long, ot the urls don't (feedBURNER) [08:55] schestowitz-pi anyway, sorry i i rammble on too much. i left my employer at the right time, we can not fortify what [08:55] schestowitz-pi we have and imprrrrrrrrrrrrove it (oops, that's barrier and loggy network) [08:55] schestowitz-pi *laggy [08:55] schestowitz-pi high latency can result in keystroke sent several times [08:55] schestowitz-pi i use ytalk over the raspi400 [08:55] schestowitz-pi it connected over ssh to vonick, which in turns connected to ssh [08:55] schestowitz-pi *is connected [08:55] schestowitz-pi and then vonick runs barrier over two machines, to reach 'itself' [08:55] schestowitz-pi barrier would 'skip' or 'bypass' the machine in the middle if it cannot be reached [08:55] schestowitz-pi but i spent an hour yesterday trying to debug a separate issue with the two barrier handles screen [08:55] schestowitz-pi edges and corner for screen spaces that are of very diferent shape [08:55] schestowitz-pi synergy does not seem to have this problem, but nothing is perfect, i timed out and gave up ● Feb 14 [09:00] schestowitz-pi the monthly cost of pc+external screen is low compared to the "worth" of time [09:00] schestowitz-pi i dim down more these days, or physically switch off when afk [09:01] schestowitz-pi distributing the processes a