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schestowitz>>> It looks like TM went down but that you have it covered.  TM responds toMar 14 00:43
schestowitz>>> SSH and I see you logged in and active.  Uptime is 6 days though, so itMar 14 00:43
schestowitz>>> has not been restarted lately.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>> Maybe at one point there was a heavy load on the site.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>>Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>> I was asleep at the time and I see the connection is still  OK and itMar 14 00:44
schestowitz>> is, as usual, refreshing apachetop.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>>Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>> GB per hour meter suggests it's a big higher than usual. The week as aMar 14 00:44
schestowitz>> whole seems to have been strong traffic-wise.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>>Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>> I finish work in 10 minutes' time ;-)Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz>>Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz> There was something, probably here, because I could often not reach itMar 14 00:44
schestowitz> via HTTP from here.  However, I was having severe network problems withMar 14 00:44
schestowitz> other protocols as well.Mar 14 00:44
schestowitz> Free Software FoundationMar 14 00:47
schestowitz> Mar 14 00:47
schestowitz> /Please consider adding info@fsf.org <mailto:info@fsf.org> to yourMar 14 00:47
schestowitz> address book, which will ensure that our messages reach you and not yourMar 14 00:47
schestowitz> spam box./Mar 14 00:47
schestowitzHi Zoe,Mar 14 00:47
schestowitzI am not sure who to contact regarding this matter, but your mailman/mailing listing software has sent me more than 15,000 email messages (!!) in the past 3-4 days, to two of my email accounts. I don't know  who in the FSF to report this to, but it's important as it might mean breach of some kind. It also floods my inbox and makes life hard. Regards,Mar 14 00:47
schestowitzJust out of curiosity, I did not say something that offended you, right?Mar 14 01:11
schestowitzI assume I'm muted or something because of posting volume (which I understand) ;-)Mar 14 01:11
schestowitzKeep up the good work...Mar 14 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1238398675908517888Mar 14 03:20
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: #exposed @GrueneBundestag @HibTagCom @WiebesEric @markrutte @ministerBlok @WBHoekstra @Bundestag @HiBTag @spdbt https://t.co/TJleREJrJdMar 14 03:20
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: EPO Corruption Under António Campinos: Part 1 – António and the Balkan Express Connection #fraud #FraudWatch… https://t.co/hQKbEVft3iMar 14 03:20
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1584060174154#c7188322282071181358Mar 14 03:40
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:40
schestowitzThat risk of infecting someone else exists every year at this time of year - everyone is now acutely aware of it. This year, for one disease, you are likely to find out that you have been involved in the transmission - that normally never happens. Mar 14 03:40
schestowitzUnless you live with someone vulnerable, it is perfectly fine to continue with activities that you think are important and should go ahead. This will end at some point, and life will have to go back to normal. Mar 14 03:40
schestowitzIf you follow the WHO advice and abide by the official travel advice, what is wrong with that? In some countries, they are still having football matches and there are still a lot of people travelling. The WHO advises to use countries to use resources wisely where they will have the biggest impact. Follow the situation daily, and when necessary, take drastic measures, like self-isolation. That is individual responsibility. Mar 14 03:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKatMar 14 03:40
schestowitzIt is just as likely to catch it (you may even have already had it) from someone in your neighbourhood as someone in Munich. Mar 14 03:40
schestowitzAnd if you believe that it is better for everybody that you stay home yourself, you can cancel your own activities/exams voluntarily. But please don't demand that everybody else does the same. A lot of firms give you a short-term contract, and if you don't qualify, you can look for another job. Trainees are often in competition with other trainees, and only so many can stay.Mar 14 03:40
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1584049988826#c5860005918329239185Mar 14 03:41
schestowitz"No way. Does anybody seriously believe they could? Hopefully in June the worst will be behind us."Mar 14 03:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKatMar 14 03:41
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:41
schestowitz"I know it's rough. Trust me, I know. But there is more to life than exams, promotions, salaries, and patents"Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzThe finals were cancelled for me, and the main thing I am annoyed about is the amount of time with family and friends I sacrificed to revise, for which a big chunk of that time will be wasted. It's the impact on my personal life in having to keep up to date on D just in case the exams are rescheduled, and then spending 6 weeks intensely revising when they announce when the exams will be. Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzThe point I'm trying to make is that the cancellation has meant that 'exams, promotions, salaries, and patents' are taking up even more of my life when I want to focus on other things. We all expected to be rid of the exams by the end of next week, now we don't know when that will be.Mar 14 03:41
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1584099724945#c8404079108596964060Mar 14 03:41
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzWell, yeah, but most years there's a functioning vaccine for the seasonal flu that is given to vulnerable groups.Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzSeriously folks: this is far, far worse than your usual cold. Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzAnd, actually, isn't it better that the exam is cancelled so trainees aren't forced to take unnecessary risks for the sake of their future careers (see also Anon @ 2020-03-12 16:21:00)? Mar 14 03:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKatMar 14 03:41
schestowitzAnd, what if you do live with someone vulnerable? What about then? Sorry we fired you because you wouldn't go to do the EQE to protect your elderly grandfather who lives with you because that's the nature of your family set up? I'd suggest that employment tribunals across the EU would look upon that very unfavourably. Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzIn short, any employer firing people over this is not an employer you want to work for.Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzI know it's rough. Trust me, I know. But there is more to life than exams, promotions, salaries, and patents.Mar 14 03:41
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:41
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1584112790944#c9112187379868589988Mar 14 03:41
schestowitz"Universities and schools are finding alternative ways of assessments. Why can't the EPO do the same. "Mar 14 03:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKatMar 14 03:41
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/breaking-eqe-and-pre-eqe-postponed.html?showComment=1584111311588#c5693131398488924584Mar 14 03:42
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:42
schestowitz"In short, any employer firing people over this is not an employer you want to work for."Mar 14 03:42
schestowitzThat is perhaps true. But personally I would prefer to catch Coronavirus than be sacked, inasmuch that I reckon the detrimental effect on my physical health from Coronvirus would be far less than the detriment to my mental health resulting from being sacked, even by an employer that I 'don't want to work for'. Mar 14 03:42
schestowitzIt seems unlikely that the opposed positions of posters herein will become aligned. But my initial point was that the original poster's smug comment about posts "not ageing well" is not helpful. It doesn't reflect the poster being "the bigger man", it reflects he/she bearing no personal cost from the decision.Mar 14 03:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EQE and pre-EQE postponed until further notice - The IPKatMar 14 03:42
schestowitz"Mar 14 03:42
*tedbox is now known as roy-at-tedMar 14 04:31
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/03/11/parliamentary-committee-asks-uk-government-to-clarify-position-on-unified-patent-court/#commentsMar 14 04:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Parliamentary committee asks UK government to clarify position on Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent BlogMar 14 04:46
schestowitz"Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzSome of the statements of both representatives before the Committee cannot be left without commentMar 14 04:46
schestowitzBoth representatives from the profession insisted upon the positive effect of the UPC for SMEs. This is an old story which has one big drawback: it is far from reality and SMEs have always been the fig leave to hide behind. How many SMEs located in EU member states are filing for a European Patent, validate in all member states of the EU and are later involved in transnational litigation over a plurality of EU member states?Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzI take bets that it is not more than a handful. If at all. All the upheaval for such a small number of cases, please keep serious. That at a pinch a SME might be able to afford a patent attorney, why not, but how many SMEs can afford a QC? It makes those uttering such statements a laughing stock.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzOne should not forget that in spite of what Mr Alexander claims, the UPC has not been conceived for SMEs, but for big industry. And even there one should never that barely a third of applications at the EPO stem from EU member states. European Industry is certainly not the prime beneficiary. Why do you think that US negotiators have expressed the view that UK should stay in the UPC?Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzThe alleged study of a European Parliament think-tank claiming that UK membership of the UPC post-Brexit was possible is so full of gross legal mistakes, e.g. the BA of the EPO loses their monopoly when it comes to deciding after grant or opposition, that it cannot be taken seriously. Keeping OK in the UPC would mean reviving EPLA. But EPLA is dead as dead can be, think of Monty Pythons’ parrot, and any revival of it is doomed to Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzfail. See Opinion C 1/09 of the CJEU.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzI beg to disagree with Mr Alexander that “Substantial patent law would remain the purview of the EPO, which is already (theoretical) harmonised across EPC member states”. Both the EPO and the UPC are competent to deal with the validity of patents and there starts the problem of clashing case law between the two.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzThat the CJEU will limit itself to only deal with questions not linked to substantive patent law is a hope of many UPC proponents, but nothing is less sure. If the CJEU thinks fit to decide differently than the EPO, it will do. See all the present problems with the interpretation of Art 53, b) EPC.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzAccording to Mr Ramsay “work on the implementation of the Unified Patent Court continues” What else can he say? If he does not believe in it, who else should?Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzI would also like to know from where he get the assurance that Germany will “be in a position to ratify the UPC Agreement and the Protocol on the Provisional Application”. It implies for him that the complaint will be dismissed. We all know that the decision has been announced to come every next month, but this does not mean that when it comes it will be the one expected by Mr Ramsay.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzThe arrangements to “be made to deal with the practical implications of the UK‘s departure”, mean for a start renegotiating the location of the life science section of the central division. In other words opening Pandora’s Box. And all this should be quickly over. Please do not pull my leg.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzIt was a good move for two strong supporters of the UPC to address a House of Lord Committee, and to push it to write to the Minister for IP. One never knows, after intervention of the IP minister the PM might be frightened getting a letter from such a select committee and will give in and accept jurisdiction of the CJEU in patent matters for the sake of the purse strings of a bunch patent attorneys and of IP lawyers.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzLet’s just play “to be or not to be in the UPC”, and may be UK will actually stay in the UPC. The next act is soon to come in what can only be considered a big farce.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzSome of the statements of both representatives before the Committee cannot be left without commentMar 14 04:46
schestowitzBoth representatives from the profession insisted upon the positive effect of the UPC for SMEs. This is an old story which has one big drawback: it is far from reality and SMEs have always been the fig leave to hide behind. How many SMEs located in EU member states are filing for a European Patent, validate in all member states of the EU and are later involved in transnational litigation over a plurality of EU member states?Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzI take bets that it is not more than a handful. If at all. All the upheaval for such a small number of cases, please keep serious. That at a pinch a SME might be able to afford a patent attorney, why not, but how many SMEs can afford a QC? It makes those uttering such statements a laughing stock.Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzOne should not forget that in spite of what Mr Alexander claims, the UPC has not been conceived for SMEs, but for big industry. And even there one should never that barely a third of applications at the EPO stem from EU member states. European Industry is certainly not the prime beneficiary. Why do you think that US negotiators have expressed the view that UK should stay in the UPC?Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzThe alleged study of a European Parliament think-tank claiming that UK membership of the UPC post-Brexit was possible is so full of gross legal mistakes, e.g. the BA of the EPO loses their monopoly when it comes to deciding after grant or opposition, that it cannot be taken seriously. Keeping OK in the UPC would mean reviving EPLA. But EPLA is dead as dead can be, think of Monty Pythons’ parrot, and any revival of it is doomed to Mar 14 04:46
schestowitzfail. See Opinion C 1/09 of the CJEU.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzI beg to disagree with Mr Alexander that “Substantial patent law would remain the purview of the EPO, which is already (theoretical) harmonised across EPC member states”. Both the EPO and the UPC are competent to deal with the validity of patents and there starts the problem of clashing case law between the two.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzThat the CJEU will limit itself to only deal with questions not linked to substantive patent law is a hope of many UPC proponents, but nothing is less sure. If the CJEU thinks fit to decide differently than the EPO, it will do. See all the present problems with the interpretation of Art 53, b) EPC.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzAccording to Mr Ramsay “work on the implementation of the Unified Patent Court continues” What else can he say? If he does not believe in it, who else should?Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzI would also like to know from where he get the assurance that Germany will “be in a position to ratify the UPC Agreement and the Protocol on the Provisional Application”. It implies for him that the complaint will be dismissed. We all know that the decision has been announced to come every next month, but this does not mean that when it comes it will be the one expected by Mr Ramsay.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzThe arrangements to “be made to deal with the practical implications of the UK‘s departure”, mean for a start renegotiating the location of the life science section of the central division. In other words opening Pandora’s Box. And all this should be quickly over. Please do not pull my leg.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzIt was a good move for two strong supporters of the UPC to address a House of Lord Committee, and to push it to write to the Minister for IP. One never knows, after intervention of the IP minister the PM might be frightened getting a letter from such a select committee and will give in and accept jurisdiction of the CJEU in patent matters for the sake of the purse strings of a bunch patent attorneys and of IP lawyers.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzLet’s just play “to be or not to be in the UPC”, and may be UK will actually stay in the UPC. The next act is soon to come in what can only be considered a big farce.Mar 14 04:47
schestowitz"Mar 14 04:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gadikian/status/1238685528431529984Mar 14 05:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gadikian: @schestowitz Why do you reckon he left MSFT board today?Mar 14 05:01
schestowitzI can only guess, but would rather not say. Just a guess, remote possibility: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020Mar 14 05:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsMar 14 05:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/j082298/status/1238682422776082433Mar 14 05:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: So Korea has done an amazing job with the testing. https://t.co/iE1uJD1w1RMar 14 05:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "One of the main reasons #SouthKorea is handling the #coronavirus outbreak well is that testing is widely available… https://t.co/wbQpN2dAm3Mar 14 05:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IlDrugo_/status/1238668399678545920Mar 14 05:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@IlDrugo_: "... you have to show to the police..."... prepared 100 of those "papers"... in case of... https://t.co/saglf7YJlfMar 14 05:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #italy #coronavirus https://t.co/PXJEOjI9ZnMar 14 05:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jtpallai1/status/1238668187920629760Mar 14 05:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jtpallai1: Bull shit....there are 9000 in stock...stop with the fear mongering https://t.co/Ya64ClyFQbMar 14 05:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Healthcare systems run like a business strive to increase profit, lower expenses, even if at risk to the public… https://t.co/r7df9X4a36Mar 14 05:04
schestowitzat some stage not even 9000 are enoughMar 14 05:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jurasick/status/1238634213001375749Mar 14 05:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jurasick: @schestowitz Monkeys yesterday, people tomorrow?Mar 14 05:05
schestowitzAnother kind of monkeyMar 14 05:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LaLaRueFrench75/status/1238583598476738560Mar 14 05:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LaLaRueFrench75: @prayingmedic @CNBC FYI: https://t.co/YHpzf9ks8G https://t.co/oQCIVMS2rgMar 14 05:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Getting blood out of a rock/stone is easier than getting the #police to produce even a single page; meanwhile a lot… https://t.co/VVVAeuZcGlMar 14 05:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Getting blood out of a rock/stone is easier than getting the #police to produce even a single page; meanwhile a lot… https://t.co/VVVAeuZcGlMar 14 05:06
schestowitzJohn Sullivan via RT wrote on 14/03/2020 01:05:Mar 14 05:46
schestowitz> Roy, Mar 14 05:46
schestowitz> Mar 14 05:46
schestowitz> Could you provide a few samples of the kinds of messages you've received (with headers) so we can get to the bottom of this? I'm sorry to ask you to spend any time on that, but it'll help a lot.Mar 14 05:46
schestowitz> Mar 14 05:46
schestowitz> -johnMar 14 05:46
schestowitzHi John,Mar 14 05:46
schestowitzThanks for getting back to me. At first I thought it affected everybody, but I see nobody else complaining, so  I assume my personal and public address are specifically targeted.Mar 14 05:46
schestowitzBased on the messages, these originate from a Tor exit node or similar.Mar 14 05:46
schestowitzTwo samples below (they come every minute for a number of days now):Mar 14 05:46
schestowitzBest regards and happy hacking,Mar 14 05:46
schestowitzRoyMar 14 05:46
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Mar 14 05:48
schestowitz> Mar 14 05:48
schestowitz> I am sorry to hear this, can you fwd me one of the spam messages?Mar 14 05:48
schestowitz> I'll fwd it to the tech team.Mar 14 05:48
schestowitz> Mar 14 05:48
schestowitz> ThanksMar 14 05:48
schestowitzThanks, Zoe, for the quick reply. I sent the details back to John via RT.Mar 14 05:48
schestowitzThanks for all the hard work you do,Mar 14 05:48
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schex9/status/1238716502699921408Mar 14 08:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schex9: @schestowitz What is 'iophk'?Mar 14 08:30
schestowitzsomeone's nicknameMar 14 08:30
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roy-at-tedhttps://twitter.com/PrincessBibiRF_/status/1238853222070194177Mar 14 15:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PrincessBibiRF_: I wonder why? @KremlinRussia_E @MedvedevRussiaE @Snowden @wikileaks @mod_russia @M_Simonyan Putin you need to teach… https://t.co/bjeXy6xdWqMar 14 15:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PrincessBibiRF_: I wonder why? @KremlinRussia_E @MedvedevRussiaE @Snowden @wikileaks @mod_russia @M_Simonyan Putin you need to teach… https://t.co/bjeXy6xdWqMar 14 15:45
roy-at-ted"Mar 14 15:45
roy-at-tedBibi Spielberg Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Mar 14 15:45
roy-at-tedI wonder why? @KremlinRussia_E @MedvedevRussiaE @Snowden @wikileaks @mod_russia @M_Simonyan Putin you need to teach that corrupted punk MBS a thing or two.Mar 14 15:45
roy-at-ted"Mar 14 15:45
roy-at-tedhttps://twitter.com/jennygalon/status/1238854037363015685Mar 14 16:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jennygalon: @JanetMcConnell4 @RealSheilaZ Agreed.... he was caught https://t.co/fWWtjvBXSjMar 14 16:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | A Bill Gates Paedophilia Scandal Turns Into Several (6 Months of Police Stonewalling to Cover up Paedophilia Arrest) | TechrightsMar 14 16:07
roy-at-tedhttps://twitter.com/FedrauJohn/status/1238851999002537984Mar 14 16:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FedrauJohn: @Panayioti @Breaking911 This kinda stuff👇👇👇 https://t.co/rfA1Z3FS2LMar 14 16:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Seattle Police Repeatedly Falling Behind Its Own Promised Schedules, Admitting There Are Almost 3,000 Pages in Its Report About Arrest for Paedophilia in the Mansion of Bill Gates | TechrightsMar 14 16:07
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