●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, April 14, 2022 ●● ● Apr 14 [01:33] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ee9db89a5um3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 14 [02:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Apr 14 [04:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [04:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 14 [05:52] schestowitz > Thanks for sharing [05:52] schestowitz > [05:52] schestowitz > One thing that is easy to spot: the debian.community post doesn't make [05:53] schestowitz > comment about FLOSSK anywhere. None of the FLOSSK people are in the [05:53] schestowitz > tartan photos. Therefore, why does FLOSSK write to you, why did nobody [05:53] schestowitz > from Debian contact you directly? [05:53] schestowitz > [05:53] schestowitz > "Others are also welcome to join us there for a reasonable price." [05:53] schestowitz > [05:53] schestowitz > I don't think the post is about the prices. [05:53] schestowitz > [05:53] schestowitz > A very useful way to address any complaint. Just ask one and only one [05:53] schestowitz > question: "When was the first complaint you received about Mr Pocock?" [05:53] schestowitz > [05:53] schestowitz > Let them answer that before drilling down on their concerns. Their [05:53] schestowitz > answers will eventually be contradicted with the dates. Just as the [05:53] schestowitz > accusation of a relationship with an intern was contradicted by evidence [05:53] schestowitz > about who really did that. ● Apr 14 [06:10] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Apr 14 [07:48] schestowitz-TR ota [07:48] schestowitz-TR 7169 reqs for "rms' in today's logs [07:48] schestowitz-TR out of 41510 for webm [07:48] schestowitz-TR I was curious as many people do access that talk already [07:52] schestowitz = [07:52] schestowitz https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://femtejuli.se/2022/04/08/lat-inte-eu-infora-natcensur-i-tysthet/ [07:52] schestowitz = [07:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-femtejuli-se.translate.goog | Lt inte EU infra ntcensur i tysthet [07:52] schestowitz x https://www.inach.net/the-digital-services-act/ [07:52] schestowitz = [07:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.inach.net | The Digital Services Act INACH ● Apr 14 [10:24] Techrights-sec TR shows up high in the search results for the talk and the FSF still [10:24] Techrights-sec has not published it anywhere , or at least no where easily found [10:25] schestowitz-TR I mostly ignore search engine because loyal readers are a lot more important then someone clicking [10:25] schestowitz-TR something and maybe pressing back [10:25] schestowitz-TR yesterday you and I debated what to do about sites that become SEO spamfarms [10:25] schestowitz-TR "Foss Linux" seems to be heading in a bad direction too ● Apr 14 [11:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ax7qs2q3ckkci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:27] Techrights-sec ack [11:27] Techrights-sec much of the US government is porbably operated by and, certainly, on behalf of [11:27] Techrights-sec microsofters [11:27] Techrights-sec against the best interests of the nation [11:27] schestowitz-TR Microsoft, Microsoft, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Kaseya (Windows)... https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity [11:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | Current Activity | CISA [11:27] schestowitz-TR /2022/04/13/cisa-adds-10-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [11:27] schestowitz-TR CISA must be run partly by Microsofters [11:27] schestowitz-TR They save face and shift attention to FOSS in a negative light quite a lot [11:47] *Despatche has quit (connection closed) [11:47] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:59] *spazzz is now known as spazz ● Apr 14 [12:21] schestowitz-TR [11:54] "Training Bundle might even make the most novice computer user into a regular Bill Gates." WTF?? https:/ [12:21] schestowitz-TR /boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html [12:21] Techrights-sec yes boingboing has been crap since corey left they shill M$ shift often and [12:21] Techrights-sec loudly [12:21] Techrights-sec "make the most novice computer user into a regular Bill Gates." [12:21] Techrights-sec what, does it come with a complementary NAMBLA membership? [12:21] Techrights-sec yes he probably feels burned because it was off to a good start while he [12:21] Techrights-sec was there [12:21] Techrights-sec They are one example of the symptom. [12:21] Techrights-sec I guess buyouts worked for the colleges and universities and now they are turning to the reamining areas where people can self-tea [12:21] Techrights-sec learn in spite of everything else. [12:21] Techrights-sec s/can learn/could have learned/ [12:24] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:35] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [12:35] *activelow (~activelow@4qc3338mpcm6n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 14 [15:15] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (connection closed) [15:15] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (Connection closed) [15:15] *schestowitz_log__ has quit (connection closed) [15:17] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowitz_log@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:17] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@joseon-hao0f9.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:17] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (Changing host) [15:17] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [15:18] *schestowitz_log__ (~schestowitz_log@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:42] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (Connection closed) [15:42] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (connection closed) [15:42] *schestowitz_log__ has quit (connection closed) [15:44] schestowitz-TR draft [15:44] schestowitz-TR my impression after a few weeks with kde neon is not all good [15:44] schestowitz-TR I can see things I don't like as well [15:44] schestowitz-TR it feels like "rolling release" [15:44] schestowitz-TR and therefore I can spot some rougher edges [15:44] schestowitz-TR maybe for a hobby guy like daemonfc it's OK [15:44] schestowitz-TR but I end up wasting lots of time trying to 'fix' things [15:44] Techrights-sec ack [15:44] Techrights-sec the whole distro has to be rolling then [15:46] schestowitz-TR it also reminds me of windows in the sens that it wants a reboot to install [15:46] schestowitz-TR the system updates [15:46] schestowitz-TR and does not want me to run apt-get upgrade [15:46] schestowitz-TR this seems like a regression to me [15:46] schestowitz-TR but I assume they want a whole new image to boot each time [15:46] schestowitz-TR I did not research this properly [15:48] schestowitz-TR vlc was causing some issues [15:48] schestowitz-TR and now webcamoid [15:48] schestowitz-TR installing updates takes a long time [15:48] schestowitz-TR I'm OK with it as long as it's not "truly" my mkain machine [15:48] schestowitz-TR but maybe one for storage of files [15:48] schestowitz-TR and music, some browsing etc. [15:58] Techrights-sec ack ● Apr 14 [16:01] schestowitz-TR don't get me wrong,. I put all the essensial data like email on there and usually I don't change machines [16:01] schestowitz-TR immediately [16:01] schestowitz-TR I still do file editing, over ssh, from the "old" machine, vonick [16:01] schestowitz-TR I also check system error messages to assure myself nothing crazy is hapening [16:01] schestowitz-TR that OS will soon run out of official support [16:01] schestowitz-TR KDE neon has very cutting edge packages [16:01] Techrights-sec ack [16:01] schestowitz-TR I would rather records on there as the camera is of better quality [16:01] schestowitz-TR copying across files for processing to the other machine takes only a few seconds [16:01] schestowitz-TR about a week ago the microphone no longer worked properly [16:02] schestowitz-TR so I set that aside and used the other one in the meantime [16:02] schestowitz-TR after this update (read) reboot) I hope it'll be back to normal [16:02] schestowitz-TR I wasted a lot of time trying to 'fix' it [16:11] schestowitz-TR on the upside, this past night tuxmachines had no issues [16:11] schestowitz-TR no downtime and the backups seem fine, I check every 12 hours [16:11] schestowitz-TR I did not test gunzip on them [16:11] schestowitz-TR I will do in a moment on TR [16:11] schestowitz-TR weirdly enoughn the gzip file on archives/tm*, for yesterday, is failing [16:11] schestowitz-TR I tried all sorts gunzip and gzip -d [16:11] schestowitz-TR the one from a day earlier (04-12) works OK [16:11] schestowitz-TR when extracted it is 1.62gb [16:11] schestowitz-TR AAA [16:11] schestowitz-TR another dump will come there soon [16:11] schestowitz-TR I eill test it [16:15] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowitz_log@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:15] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@joseon-fd5vn0.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:15] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (Changing host) [16:15] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [16:15] *schestowitz_log__ (~schestowitz_log@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:23] Techrights-sec ok [16:38] schestowitz-TR I still cannot fix the microphone+noisetorch, even after updates [16:38] schestowitz-TR but maybe it can work out for the better as I want to try obs studio [16:40] Techrights-sec I'm mostly unfamiliar with sound. I can only make the vague recommendation [16:40] Techrights-sec to try to get each voice on a separate channel and then use Audacity or a fork [16:40] Techrights-sec to do noise reduction. [16:40] Techrights-sec My (mis-)understanding is that a lot of people do the audio in Audacity or a [16:40] Techrights-sec fork and then fold that in with the video recordings using Kdenlive, after [16:40] Techrights-sec having captured the video with OBS. Thus one of the reasons for clapping once [16:40] Techrights-sec at the start. [16:40] Techrights-sec That facilitates synchronizing the sound and the video. [16:42] schestowitz-TR such a process would certainly take a lot more time [16:42] schestowitz-TR webcamoid managed to simplify a lot of stuff [16:42] schestowitz-TR I am not entirely sure why, just roughly when, the input [16:42] schestowitz-TR stopped working [16:42] Techrights-sec Yes many (nearly all) seem to have a full time production manager [16:42] Techrights-sec The video seemed to lock up. [16:42] Techrights-sec By the way is there a link to the official FSF arhived copy of the talk? [16:42] schestowitz-TR which video locked up? [16:44] schestowitz-TR I did notice that vlc was recently acting a bit odd [16:45] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ [16:45] Techrights-sec At least in VLC it locks up. That happens in other videos too [16:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights [16:46] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [16:47] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:52] schestowitz-TR yes, I did notice this vlc issue recently [16:52] schestowitz-TR maybe a week ago [16:52] schestowitz-TR for the first time [16:52] schestowitz-TR but in firefox and other media players it plays OK [16:52] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure why [16:52] Techrights-sec :/ [16:52] Techrights-sec VLC used to be best but I gather it has attracted undesireable attention from M$ [16:52] Techrights-sec or other malevolent interests [16:53] schestowitz-TR I am nore sure if what changed was vlc, the media files, or something else [16:53] schestowitz-TR but a few times I was mortified that recordings had gone bad [16:53] schestowitz-TR and then I saw it was OK in other players [16:53] schestowitz-TR I cannot recall if processing the video overcame the issue [16:58] schestowitz-TR I've just tested some older file [16:58] schestowitz-TR it seems like procesing or re-encoding such video solves the issue for vlc [16:58] schestowitz-TR but I think we've seen the issue whether it's recorded on the new laptop or the new [16:58] schestowitz-TR laptop [16:58] schestowitz-TR this leads me to suspecting vlc might be the culprit [16:58] schestowitz-TR today I iUN-installed vlc after installing it 2 weeks ago on the new lapto [16:58] schestowitz-TR as it was causinf severe issues at time [16:59] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 14 [17:11] schestowitz-TR this is starting to look like a blessing in disguise [17:11] schestowitz-TR the options in obs studio are a whole new level [17:11] schestowitz-TR the file sizes are smaller [17:11] schestowitz-TR it does noise cancellation [17:11] schestowitz-TR filters are several [17:11] schestowitz-TR and allows several cams all at ones [17:11] schestowitz-TR with the screen also [17:11] schestowitz-TR I think this is what I will use from now on [17:11] schestowitz-TR shhhhiiiit [17:11] schestowitz-TR but anyway, different workflow [17:12] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@hzyndtutd6fti.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 14 [18:00] schestowitz-TR the audio mixing is very nice too [18:00] schestowitz-TR so now the only reason for still using webcamoid is legacy i guess [18:00] schestowitz-TR draft [18:00] schestowitz-TR you can see the 1-min video [18:02] Techrights-sec I've not done video editing for a very long time [18:02] Techrights-sec ack [18:02] Techrights-sec Maybe the draft could have a few words about the goal of the survey or the topic [18:02] schestowitz-TR wait, are you reading the obs draft [18:04] schestowitz-TR also notice file size [18:04] schestowitz-TR 2.5mb for a 1-min busy video [18:04] schestowitz-TR a [18:04] schestowitz-TR vastly better than before [18:05] Techrights-sec Oh. Refreshed now. I see OBS on KDE now [18:05] Techrights-sec The text of the post ought to mention KDE Neon by name [18:05] Techrights-sec "BS Studio" ought to be "OBS Studio [18:05] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma [18:05] Techrights-sec Excellent [18:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Serial comma - Wikipedia [18:07] schestowitz-TR important typo [18:07] schestowitz-TR in terms of workflow [18:07] schestowitz-TR it outputs to a bunch of formats di not like [18:07] schestowitz-TR about 6 proprietary ones [18:07] schestowitz-TR so I copy the output across, ffmpeg to convert to webm and then pipe through the usual [18:07] schestowitz-TR algos [18:07] schestowitz-TR thgis way the script is compatible with both PCs [18:07] Techrights-sec Perhaps that could be annotated in the post as an advantage. [18:10] schestowitz-TR which advantage? the formats|? File size? Webcamoid has more options [18:10] schestowitz-TR and more liberal ones [18:10] schestowitz-TR as a side note, for streaming it suggests using all sorts of disservices I strionglu dislike [18:10] schestowitz-TR but we rarely have a need to stream anything [18:11] Techrights-sec "also notice file size" [18:11] Techrights-sec "16:44:55 bnchs; i'm pretty sure the trolls triggered them too much" [18:19] Techrights-sec streaming is only useful in very specific contexts, nothing relevant to TR [18:19] schestowitz-TR yes, there are risks associated with it in an env not carefully controlled [18:19] schestowitz-TR like an actual studio [18:20] Techrights-sec yep [18:20] Techrights-sec a proper studio would be a prerequisite, too [18:20] Techrights-sec an probably a better mic [18:20] schestowitz-TR since you have mentioned it, I am going to weak the mic [18:21] Techrights-sec I bet there are good used mics around now that those that tried and gave up [18:21] Techrights-sec on vlogging plous those that found they wanted even fancier during the pandemic [18:21] Techrights-sec have made their decisions [18:27] schestowitz-TR this evening's tm backup went o [18:27] schestowitz-TR jk gunzipping now [18:27] schestowitz-TR yes, looks good [18:27] schestowitz-TR 1.69gb [18:27] schestowitz-TR the new few days I will focus a lot on patenbts [18:27] schestowitz-TR i will also recover from lack of sleep and am about to mess around with obs studio [18:27] schestowitz-TR it has ALOOOOT of funcionality [18:27] Techrights-sec excellent [18:41] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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