●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 ●● ● Sep 14 [00:27] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [00:28] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 14 [01:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 14 [02:50] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@nt3f3rz85d3f4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 14 [04:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 14 [07:00] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:40] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 14 [08:46] Techrights-sec The DeSmog links seem ok now. [08:47] schestowitz-TR yes, thanks a lot for this. For weeks I had to manually remove some bits. [08:47] schestowitz-TR there is another big EPO series on the way (work underway) [08:48] Techrights-sec Excellent, though it is tragic that the EU member states have not brought [08:48] Techrights-sec the EPO to heel. [08:48] schestowitz-TR EU/EUIPO is complicit it is a PR blunder and liability to them... [08:49] schestowitz-TR also, UPC=EU project [08:49] schestowitz-TR maybe instead of EFF writing about ABORTION (seriously!) it should say a work about EPO [08:50] schestowitz-TR *word [08:52] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:53] Techrights-sec I thought it was just rogue lawyers pushing for UPC still. Tehcnically, [08:53] Techrights-sec legally, it is quite dead. It's that the media has not yet had a proper [08:53] Techrights-sec wake for it. [08:53] Techrights-sec The EFF died along with Barlow. I wonder if he had not kicked off when he did [08:53] Techrights-sec that maybe he would have been the target of an attack / coup like Guido, [08:53] Techrights-sec Linus, Richard, etc. have been attacked. [08:53] Techrights-sec The change came so quickly that it may have been something already in the worksand only waiting for an o [08:53] Techrights-sec pportunity. [08:53] Techrights-sec I stopped donating to the EFF. It is extremely rare for them [08:53] Techrights-sec to be in the news for a good reason. Mostly it's jut off-topic noise from [08:53] Techrights-sec them these days. Expensive off-topic noise at that. [08:54] schestowitz-TR don't worry about EFF donations; 2 years ago (IRS shows) they had 40 milliion in the bank with high interest plan. Cohn will use the EFF, but not always for the thing it was made for. The name might languish. ● Sep 14 [09:02] Techrights-sec There is a dire need for the services and activities provided by the old EFF [09:02] Techrights-sec The new EFF just spends money without goal or effect. ● Sep 14 [11:07] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@57axp7gy6dwqu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:30] Techrights-sec I reworded gemini-main-index-template.sh slightly. [11:33] schestowitz-TR funny you should mention that; I now see the changes through git. In the video I upload at the moment I said I hed begun updating the capsule every time a new post is added (I did more scripting for this). Video upload finished soon... [11:34] schestowitz-TR we generally did tons of maintenance instead of writing lately, but it'll pay off [11:35] Techrights-sec I hope is make things flow more smoothly. The big OS upgrade is still on the [11:35] Techrights-sec list of things to do. [11:35] Techrights-sec That will enable moving some automation to the server as well as adding [11:35] Techrights-sec several smaller tasks ot the list of things which are automated. [11:44] schestowitz-TR waiting for 12:10am to see if the subsequent watcher correctly adds the latest git commit to gemini (long term we can stack up recent changes, e.g. "latest 10 commits"). The git pull had to be added yesterday, but I think you did a more elegant thing instead and I see you added two more files to git. I can sometimes point people for these if they ask how to do x, y, z... [11:45] schestowitz-TR in the video, for example, I tried to explain how we automate video processing, preview, uploads etc. [11:48] Techrights-sec Is the video in the queue soon? [11:48] schestowitz-TR it encodes and uploads at the same time, linearly, as the bottleneck is badwidth and also CPU power. 1 hour video =~ 5 hours of encoding on 4 cores ● Sep 14 [12:40] schestowitz I have just checked and to show the latest commit we still need to 'git pull' for gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ [12:41] schestowitz when i run git pull it shows that other git commands did not obviate or supersede it [12:43] schestowitz-TR Ok. What needs to go into the shell script so that everything is cached [12:43] schestowitz-TR locally in Gemini? [12:43] schestowitz-TR It should be fetch and reset [12:43] Techrights-sec Ok. What needs to go into the shell script so that everything is cached [12:43] Techrights-sec locally in Gemini? [12:43] Techrights-sec It should be fetch and reset [12:43] schestowitz curiously enough, for reasons I do not understand, it correctly gets the overview of all changes, but it does not get the pertinent changes downsteam to the file until a pull [12:44] schestowitz later we can do FIFO for latest x commits [12:45] Techrights-sec gemini-git-update.sh should be updated then [12:45] schestowitz-TR yesterday I added 'git pull' to that file in two places, but that was before you changed it, maybe overwriting that [12:52] schestowitz now the latest change shows up gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ is it OK to make a stick of recent ones? maybe over time we'll make a primitive 'cms' for git over gemini:// [12:52] Techrights-sec I've added pull to the script. It's running now and we can check [12:52] Techrights-sec the gemini space for what has been updated. [12:53] Techrights-sec The script is now done. [12:53] Techrights-sec It seems to propagate the changes correctly. ● Sep 14 [13:00] Techrights-sec Nice: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ [13:01] schestowitz-TR I am adding your 14 min-only version of git-update to git [13:01] schestowitz-TR because I want to add to it [13:02] schestowitz diff gemini-git-update.sh gemini-git-update-new.sh [13:02] schestowitz 17a18 [13:02] schestowitz > git pull [13:02] schestowitz 20a22 [13:03] schestowitz > git pull [13:12] Techrights-sec Yes, the pulls are probably redundant there and may just slow things down [13:12] Techrights-sec for no benefit. [13:16] schestowitz-TR added files changed (corrected typo since then), working on more things... [13:30] schestowitz-TR ok, try now [13:30] schestowitz Like https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html but automated [13:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Updates [13:32] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [13:32] Techrights-sec Can linefeeds / newlines be put after each heading? That would [13:32] Techrights-sec help readability, I think. [13:32] schestowitz-TR let me check... [13:33] schestowitz-TR an you elaborate? just to avoid me adding something you don't want? We could do some better visuals there... [13:33] schestowitz-TR can you elaborate? just to avoid me adding something you don't want? We could do some better visuals there... [13:37] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ [13:37] Techrights-sec has ## Latest Change [13:37] Techrights-sec followed by the diff on the next line. It would be more readable, IMO, to [13:37] Techrights-sec have a line between the diff and the heading [13:37] Techrights-sec same with the heading which follows the diff. There ought to be a line [13:38] Techrights-sec between the last part of the diff and the next heading following it. [13:39] schestowitz ascii: https://www.asciiart.eu/art-and-design/dividers [13:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.asciiart.eu | ASCII Art Dividers - asciiart.eu [13:40] schestowitz unicode https://aminoapps.com/c/btsarmy/page/blog/text-dividers-headers/qkwD_qkLFRu5BDXo863wZn7Wnk582Ngn0mR [13:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aminoapps.com | Text Dividers + Headers | ARMY's Amino [13:42] Techrights-sec ASCII art generally does not belong in gemtext. It messes with [13:42] Techrights-sec screen readers to much [13:42] Techrights-sec There is no way to tell a screen reader to skip the noise in gemtext [13:42] Techrights-sec tHere might be a way in HTML though. [13:42] schestowitz-TR this is often done to make tables in gemini, like in the stats, but for code I wonder how many people use screen readers like these. Is code 'readable' by voice? Like perl? [13:43] Techrights-sec There have been a few blind contributors on various lists, they seem [13:43] Techrights-sec to be able to work with code. Tables should be used for tabular data only, [13:43] Techrights-sec not layout. [13:44] schestowitz-TR oh, I see what you mean now in amfoa [13:44] schestowitz-TR oh, I see what you mean now in amfora [13:45] schestowitz-TR it shows up better in telescope than in amfora [13:49] Techrights-sec I still have only Amfora. I'm not happy with having to build anything on that [13:49] Techrights-sec machine. I hope that the other clients are added to the official repository [13:49] Techrights-sec soon but it is work and not hope which causes that to happen and [13:49] Techrights-sec then only if there is a porter to do the intial work and fight through [13:49] Techrights-sec the bureaucracy found in certain key distros. [13:49] Techrights-sec And it's not a one-off activity but a medium to long term time commitment. ● Sep 14 [14:05] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:11] schestowitz-TR now it looks more sane in amfora [14:30] Techrights-sec thanks [14:30] Techrights-sec looks good with the vertical spacing [14:30] schestowitz-TR it is being regenrated as we speak [14:30] schestowitz-TR done [14:31] schestowitz-TR newlines and 'code' style don't interact well :-) [14:36] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:36] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ is hard to know which files [14:36] Techrights-sec the comments go with [14:36] Techrights-sec ... down in # Older Commits (Latest Shown First) [14:36] schestowitz-TR in this interim state I am checking how to hide names [14:44] schestowitz-TR I cannot find an option for hiding names, but I can use the stream editor to use a generic name, though the code of the script itself then exposes names [14:46] schestowitz-TR Oh, I know what to do... [14:52] Techrights-sec I have some changes to add to gemini-git-update.sh [14:53] schestowitz-TR wait, don't directly change yet or we'll both edit the same file at the same time [14:54] schestowitz new page, in the index too already: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/all_changes/ [14:57] Techrights-sec nice [14:57] schestowitz-TR ok, done with all files for now, pushed all the changes to git master... errr... main ● Sep 14 [15:59] schestowitz numbers now show up in gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/index.gmi and I added the one-liner to git ● Sep 14 [17:34] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@xwgs4y82wbd58.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 14 [18:20] Techrights-sec interesting. there are a lot of older pages in there at the top of the list [18:52] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 14 [19:04] *activelow (~activelow@u7rbmzczvg554.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 14 [20:35] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [20:44] *qa_ has quit (connection closed) [20:44] *qa_ (~qa@fa9xe2vquf842.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:45] *qa_ has quit (connection closed) [20:45] *pt399__ (~qa@fa9xe2vquf842.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:48] *pt399__ has quit (connection closed) ● Sep 14 [21:07] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@xwgs4y82wbd58.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 14 [23:05] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [23:16] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [23:38] *activelow (~activelow@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell