●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, December 14, 2022 ●● ● Dec 14 [01:17] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:18] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:22] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 14 [03:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [03:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [03:18] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:18] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@uvxvchtayzkvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 14 [04:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uax6j9r5apawe.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:16] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-pnq.7g1.npeqlc.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 14 [06:09] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:11] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-k7n.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:41] techrightssec2 pwer ower was out most of the night after a hiccup late in the evening after afk [06:41] techrightssec2 the hiccup broke ytalk etc [06:41] schestowitz-TR did you see my two URLs (my own blog) [06:42] schestowitz-TR wait... [06:42] techrightssec2 no [06:43] schestowitz-TR British parliament yesterday: we should quit administrating those experimental COVID-19 vaccines. Harms outweigh the benefits now. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/12/14/miscarriage-of-medical-science/ [06:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Miscarriage of Medical Science [06:46] techrightssec2 Checking [06:46] techrightssec2 The second one is just a link to a video [06:48] schestowitz-TR invidious [06:48] schestowitz-TR I also try to preserve the description with URLs [06:48] schestowitz-TR I reckon his days are numbered in youtube [06:48] schestowitz-TR and he already promotes his own site [06:48] schestowitz-TR and parrots shit google compels him to say [06:48] schestowitz-TR it reminds me of some regimes [06:48] schestowitz-TR and how they force athletes and all to sing some anthem [06:48] schestowitz-TR and wear certain symbolism of politics [06:48] techrightssec2 Yes, it is noticeable that many are compelled to parrot things, usually by [06:48] techrightssec2 throwing in a "windows is ok" or "windows, too" which goes the opposite to the [06:48] techrightssec2 rest of the video [06:50] schestowitz-TR the latest BS is, [06:50] schestowitz-TR clown computing is the future [06:50] schestowitz-TR Gulag and Amazon/Oracle/Microsoft/IBM [06:50] schestowitz-TR and saying it is not ok make syou "crank" [06:50] schestowitz-TR or, as my former boss would put it [06:50] schestowitz-TR "paranoid" or "hobbyist" [06:51] techrightssec2 It is over for clown, be sure to link to those reports from the other day [06:51] techrightssec2 which show that clown is not and has never been cost effective [06:51] techrightssec2 All they have to come back with is an ad hominem fallacy. [06:55] schestowitz-TR yes, "ad hominem fallacy. [06:55] schestowitz-TR exactly, that's also mentioned repeatedly in the series about Sirius [06:55] schestowitz-TR and now we have a resident troll in IRC pushing those same lies [06:56] techrightssec2 Like with systemd [06:56] techrightssec2 Probably a large intersection in the sets containing people in both groups [06:59] schestowitz-TR and 'secure' boot etc. [06:59] schestowitz-TR trust GAFAM [06:59] schestowitz-TR because you have to trust SOMEONE [06:59] schestowitz-TR so trust MICROSOFT [06:59] schestowitz-TR btw, canonical just shills azure as "confidential" [06:59] schestowitz-TR I'd never touch ubuntu again [06:59] techrightssec2 On what basis, besides possible kickbacks, does Canonical make that assertion? [06:59] schestowitz-TR maybe it's in the canonical contract, implicitly [06:59] schestowitz-TR a) do marketing for microsoft [06:59] schestowitz-TR b) do not participate in antitrust complaints [06:59] schestowitz-TR btw, I still lack enough material for that [topic] [06:59] schestowitz-TR it's still in my drafts for now ● Dec 14 [07:01] techrightssec2 Probably, or it's via all the "talent" which they have hired "away" from m$ [07:01] techrightssec2 Is there staffing data available to show how many at m$ are now on Canonical's [07:01] techrightssec2 payroll? [07:03] schestowitz-TR no, it ius na very laborious task [07:03] schestowitz-TR like, if their names are unique, you look them up [07:03] schestowitz-TR some fools pout theirt full employment history in microsoft linkedToEpstein [07:03] schestowitz-TR in the past, some people in email or irc give me hat tips re canonical stuff [07:03] schestowitz-TR like rich spencer from microsoft [07:04] schestowitz-TR then desktop chief at canonical [07:04] schestowitz-TR microsoft managed to put a person in charge of the biggest userbase of gnu/linux [07:04] schestowitz-TR and they seeded mono this way [07:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:05] techrightssec2 Microsofters tend to hide their connections these days; Same for message headers [07:05] techrightssec2 in e-mail. They /don't/ want it obvious that the mail got lost in m$ outlook [07:05] techrightssec2 or m$ exchange [07:50] schestowitz-TR findign unix and foss-oriented people is hard [07:50] schestowitz-TR they should be paid more, not less [07:50] schestowitz-TR the subject of the latest TR posts [07:50] schestowitz-TR not sure if there are lessons there that apply to other people who frequent the site [07:50] schestowitz-TR clown computing will be revisited later ● Dec 14 [08:10] schestowitz-TR good news re msfr [08:10] schestowitz-TR looks increasignly plausible the layoffs happen next month [08:10] schestowitz-TR they might delay to save face [08:10] schestowitz-TR due to the rumours [08:10] schestowitz-TR draft [08:24] techrightssec2 checking [08:24] techrightssec2 text missing? [08:24] schestowitz-TR jst added some more text [08:24] schestowitz-TR captions [08:24] schestowitz-TR from your pointers re xbox [08:25] techrightssec2 ack [08:26] schestowitz-TR can you suggest another ref/gem to throw in for more effect? [08:30] techrightssec2 https://www.trueachievements.com/n49563/xbox-drm-online [08:30] techrightssec2 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows_1.html [08:30] techrightssec2 http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/100312/932078071-MIT.pdf?s [08:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.trueachievements.com | Xbox online DRM heavily criticised following major outages [updated] [08:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DRM in Windows Vista - Schneier on Security [08:33] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:33] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:46] schestowitz-TR off the script: from what I saw in their irc trolling, you become an EPIC thorn on their side when you [08:46] schestowitz-TR point out azure is faikling and there are layoffs [08:46] schestowitz-TR becasuse [08:46] schestowitz-TR a) it is true [08:46] schestowitz-TR b) they keep trlling shareholders "azure" is the future [08:46] schestowitz-TR v) they reclassiofy almost everything as "clown" or "Azure" over time to fulful b [08:48] techrightssec2 Yes, it appears that the might be moving budget line items under "Azure" to [08:48] techrightssec2 fake growth. They've also gotten a few bailouts which they appear to have [08:48] techrightssec2 funneled into the Azure budget. However, the layoffs expose the truth. [08:48] techrightssec2 Too bad those laid off 1) drank the koolaid and won't speak and 2) signed [08:48] techrightssec2 non-disparagement clauses in their separation contracts so they can't speak [08:48] techrightssec2 even if they would speak. [08:48] schestowitz-TR not just layoffs [08:48] schestowitz-TR I heard from inside that the management goes around with an axe looking for what to cut [08:48] schestowitz-TR expense-wise [08:48] schestowitz-TR to the point it no longer feels the same [08:48] schestowitz-TR lowering morale ● Dec 14 [09:12] techrightssec2 It was always a backstabbing kind of place, thus those that want to work there [09:12] techrightssec2 are questionable and those that have worked there are pure toxin [09:14] schestowitz-TR "Looks like (fearful) foreign nationals are flooding this post" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1jTBhjA6#replies Microsoft = sociopaths. Hardly surprising to see racism and xenophobia; they turn against one another. [09:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thelayoff.com | Why does Microsoft hire so many foreigners? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs [09:20] schestowitz-TR yes, I noticed after I had made the error [09:20] schestowitz-TR sorry about that [09:20] schestowitz-TR btw, did you also paste some odysee video before accidental crtl+c? [09:20] schestowitz-TR if so, I did not get a change to open the link [09:20] schestowitz-TR after [09:20] schestowitz-TR [09:12] It was always a backstabbing kind of place, thus those that want to work there [09:20] schestowitz-TR [09:12] are questionable and those that have worked there are pure toxin [09:20] schestowitz-TR we start workout in a few minutes [09:20] schestowitz-TR the cold wave gives more incentive to exercise [09:20] schestowitz-TR the one upside, if any... [09:20] schestowitz-TR it won't be warner sooner than the weekend [09:20] schestowitz-TR and it's killing people here, financially, mentally, and health toll [09:20] schestowitz-TR in his video last night john campbell said he was wearing TWO thermal vests [09:20] schestowitz-TR in addition to thick garments [09:20] schestowitz-TR energy bills here can easily exceed 300 a month if you keep a modest home warm [09:20] schestowitz-TR biab [09:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Dec 14 [10:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@uvxvchtayzkvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:29] techrightssec2 testing restarting ytalk automatically after reboot, or at least the [10:29] techrightssec2 script for it, won't actually reboot here until it is really needed ● Dec 14 [11:47] schestowitz-TR turns out mjg is a windows coder [11:47] schestowitz-TR for TPM [11:47] schestowitz-TR to put trucks on the road without an actual driver [11:47] schestowitz-TR it would be criminal to attempt this [11:47] schestowitz-TR the incidents would take only days to start [11:48] psydruid the mask has fallen off completely [11:49] psydruid no wonder he pushes all of that Microsoft crap [11:52] mjg59_ What? That code is for Windows laptops. [11:52] mjg59_ Because we have people who use CAD tools that are only available for Windows [11:52] schestowitz-TR still [11:53] schestowitz-TR keep those trucks in the garage [11:53] schestowitz-TR they are unfit for purpose [11:53] schestowitz-TR Windows or not [11:53] schestowitz-TR even without Windows it's already INSANE [11:53] schestowitz-TR speaking as a postdoc who researcher this [11:53] schestowitz-TR and did peer review of ieee papers in this area [11:53] schestowitz-TR autonomous driving is in its diaspers [11:53] schestowitz-TR nowhere near production ready [11:54] schestowitz-TR just falsely marketed like many other things [11:54] schestowitz-TR it's the "polygraph of automobiles" [11:54] mjg59_ Did your research go beyond attempting to fit models of a picture of the back of a car to video? [11:54] schestowitz-TR did you see company demos? [11:54] schestowitz-TR aka vapourware [11:55] schestowitz-TR which target clueless shareholders? [11:55] schestowitz-TR what's left of them [11:55] schestowitz-TR 93% of the aurora shareholders seem to have bailed out [11:55] schestowitz-TR realising this is going nowhere [11:55] schestowitz-TR and press is belatedly saying the same [11:55] schestowitz-TR so the companies move the goalposts [11:55] schestowitz-TR as they always do [11:55] schestowitz-TR now it's "trucks" [11:55] schestowitz-TR even MORE dangerous [11:55] schestowitz-TR some carry like 20 tons [11:56] schestowitz-TR and can break bridges [11:56] schestowitz-TR you knowit [11:56] schestowitz-TR I know it [11:56] schestowitz-TR but you won't admit it [11:56] schestowitz-TR moving goalposts from sedan to truck because the smaller one fails does not make sense [11:56] schestowitz-TR the roads ae not rails [11:56] schestowitz-TR even trains need drivers [11:57] schestowitz-TR same for planes [11:57] schestowitz-TR and you can find ample literature about the reasons [11:57] schestowitz-TR trucks need drivers [11:57] mjg59_ k [11:57] schestowitz-TR not some faceless vessels that can move in any directiomn [11:57] schestowitz-TR and contain chips made in shenzen [11:57] schestowitz-TR which do who-the-fuck knows what [11:58] schestowitz-TR k is not a good answer [11:58] schestowitz-TR wrong answer ;-) [11:59] schestowitz-TR video sequences don't give you a good predictive model [11:59] schestowitz-TR compared to trained humans [11:59] schestowitz-TR and humans protect themselves [11:59] schestowitz-TR robots lack that instict [11:59] schestowitz-TR it's hard to program fear of death ● Dec 14 [12:00] mjg59_ You really don't want fear of death in a truck - it's ok if the truck is destroyed if the alternative would be hurting someone else [12:09] schestowitz-TR no [12:09] schestowitz-TR that's even more sinister [12:09] schestowitz-TR it's like those online railway dilemmas [12:09] schestowitz-TR what you want to do is control remoately the lever inside the carriage [12:09] schestowitz-TR and send people to their death [12:09] schestowitz-TR based on some peripheral risk calculation [12:10] schestowitz-TR like a death panel [12:10] schestowitz-TR and likely a wrongful one [12:10] schestowitz-TR "we sent the passengers down the cliff" [12:10] mjg59_ Yeah a truck without a driver is an easy choice there [12:10] schestowitz-TR "that's better than than hitting the barrier of the NSA's SQ" [12:10] schestowitz-TR *HQ [12:10] schestowitz-TR so you want to remoately control cars [12:10] schestowitz-TR that opens up to more assassination prospects [12:10] mjg59_ If you have a choice between hitting a human or not hitting a human, you choose not hitting a human [12:11] mjg59_ Without having to worry about whether a human in the truck [12:11] schestowitz-TR or , like rms puts it, you can dismember people in the car with a saw and then deliver than to saudi embassies [12:11] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: you want to remoately controlcars [12:11] schestowitz-TR with companies like mirosoft in charge [12:11] mjg59_ Literally no [12:11] schestowitz-TR your company wants microsoft to buy [12:11] schestowitz-TR and does tpm, even windows drivers [12:11] schestowitz-TR so that's a no-no [12:12] schestowitz-TR I don't want microsoft controlling people around me [12:12] schestowitz-TR it can kill people [12:12] schestowitz-TR and make it look like a LITERAL accident [12:12] mjg59_ I am also in favour of giant corporate entities not controlling people [12:12] schestowitz-TR they took you onbaord for the illusion of security [12:12] schestowitz-TR as there is unease about remoaetely controlled cars [12:13] schestowitz-TR NOT the same as autonomous [12:13] schestowitz-TR remotely controlled [12:13] mjg59_ Not sure what you're saying here [12:13] schestowitz-TR so they need some snakeoil like windows+TPM [12:13] schestowitz-TR while you hail Azure and stuff [12:13] schestowitz-TR horrible [12:13] mjg59_ But there's no interface to remotely control the vehicles [12:13] schestowitz-TR you are clever enough to see where this is going [12:13] schestowitz-TR opposite of software freedom [12:13] schestowitz-TR you want to take people's cars from them [12:13] mjg59_ The security design is actually to prevent that [12:13] schestowitz-TR like you did with laptops [12:14] schestowitz-TR no [12:14] schestowitz-TR it's remote control [12:14] schestowitz-TR for the car [12:14] schestowitz-TR TPM too [12:14] schestowitz-TR they can remotely disable cars [12:14] schestowitz-TR microsolft can remoately brick laptops [12:14] schestowitz-TR via UEFI crapwar [12:14] mjg59_ I really love the idea of you just jumping up and down in front of a giant screen screeming about me [12:14] schestowitz-TR e*crapware [12:15] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: now I know what you do [12:15] mjg59_ Full on 2-minute hate [12:15] schestowitz-TR and I dislike it [12:15] schestowitz-TR first you attacked people's control over their computers [12:15] mjg59_ Elaborate fantasies [12:15] schestowitz-TR now you do the same with computers on 4 wheels or even 18 wheels [12:15] mjg59_ What you're saying just isn't true [12:15] schestowitz-TR that can kill many people [12:15] schestowitz-TR time will tell if I was right about [12:15] schestowitz-TR 1) regulatory barriers [12:15] mjg59_ Yeah sure let's check in in a decade [12:16] mjg59_ I'm good with that [12:16] schestowitz-TR (this won't fly; if it starts, it'll be stopped fast) [12:16] schestowitz-TR 2) these things will be misused maliciously, whether by intention or not [12:16] schestowitz-TR 3) security will remain a big problem, as will car ownership [12:16] schestowitz-TR it's some cybord fantasy spun into a company [12:16] schestowitz-TR for ageing clueless shareholders [12:16] schestowitz-TR who sank some bucks into a $10 company [12:17] schestowitz-TR (peak $17) [12:17] schestowitz-TR that's almost a penny stock already [12:17] schestowitz-TR *cyborg [12:17] schestowitz-TR I can give similar examples [12:17] schestowitz-TR of people trying to convince themselves sci-fi can become pragmatic reality [12:17] schestowitz-TR and it all went up in flames [12:18] schestowitz-TR life is for practical things [12:18] schestowitz-TR not childhod books [12:18] schestowitz-TR and superhero comics [12:18] schestowitz-TR like some 'kids' in SIrius [12:18] schestowitz-TR grown-ups who use cartoons and fancy themselves as superheroes [12:19] schestowitz-TR Keith Alexander from NSA asked them to replicate Star Trek for his office [12:19] schestowitz-TR NSA chief [12:19] schestowitz-TR acting like a kid [12:19] schestowitz-TR and they did that... waste of taxpayers' money [12:20] schestowitz-TR and aurora is selling transformers(tm) fantasy [12:20] schestowitz-TR elon your boss from twitter does the same in tesla [12:20] schestowitz-TR modeling the vapourware trucks like that ● Dec 14 [15:26] schestowitz-TR are links still impending? [15:34] techrightssec2 yes, in a bit [15:46] techrightssec2 ack [15:46] techrightssec2 M$ hates and attacks /everything/ [15:47] schestowitz-TR i think something changed in a key perl file, likely camerlcase [15:47] schestowitz-TR so I get an error [15:47] schestowitz-TR can you check at your end? [15:53] psydruid The only thing that can help for a start is the total destruction of M$ [15:54] psydruid Not going to M$ HQ to lecture them on free software [15:55] techrightssec2 which script? [15:55] techrightssec2 There are some pending changes that deal with reconverting punycode back to [15:55] techrightssec2 unicode in host names and the necessary module is not buildable on the [15:55] techrightssec2 production system so I may have to make a work-around [15:55] techrightssec2 but which script? [15:55] techrightssec2 The CamelCase.pm file should be ok since that needs to run successfully [15:55] techrightssec2 prior to the actual upload occuring. [15:55] techrightssec2 If CamelCase fails then the upload does not happen. ● Dec 14 [16:00] schestowitz-TR i see now [16:00] schestowitz-TR need to install encode in cpan ● Dec 14 [17:04] schestowitz-TR Not going to M$ HQ to lecture them on free software [17:04] schestowitz-TR RMS 2019 [17:04] schestowitz-TR weeks before bill gates got caught up in a scandal [17:05] schestowitz-TR bribing mit through his bbf, the child sex trafficker [17:05] schestowitz-TR and then microsoft-centric media shifted all attention to rms [17:12] schestowitz-TR *bff [17:12] schestowitz-TR psydruid: ^ ● Dec 14 [19:01] *Mio14 has quit (*.net *.split) [19:02] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-k7n.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 14 [21:34] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4f8tn9xbhxtc8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell