●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, January 15, 2022 ●● ● Jan 15 [00:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:17] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:17] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:56] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 15 [01:27] *techrights_guest|82 (~92463392@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 15 [02:54] *techrights_guest|82 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Jan 15 [03:35] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:35] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:37] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:37] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:43] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:43] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:43] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:43] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [03:44] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@joseon-m99s2v.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 15 [05:17] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:27] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@jyqwik6pmb3us.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 15 [06:48] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Jan 15 [07:16] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:19] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:29] schestowitz
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    How low can you go? Running Ubuntu Desktop on a 2GB Raspberry Pi 4
    [07:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-low-can-you-go-running-ubuntu-desktop-on-a-2gb-raspberry-pi-4">How ) [07:29] schestowitz
    [07:29] schestowitz

    At Canonical were proud to be able to offer a full Ubuntu Desktop experience on the Raspberry 4. Ubuntu Desktop provides everything you need to develop software and even deploy it to Ubuntu Server on devices like the Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W.

    [07:29] schestowitz

    However the full desktop environment is quite a lot for the Pi to handle. Up until now, weve recommended users stick to models with either 4GB or 8GB of RAM to be confident that it will perform well. One of our goals for the upcoming Ubuntu 22.04 LTS release is to lower that barrier to entry. This means targeting a viable Desktop experience on Raspberry Pi 4 2GB models.

    [07:29] schestowitz

    The secret to this optimisation is a Linux kernel feature called zswap. In this blog, well show you how to enable this functionality today and benefit from the upcoming performance boost that will come as standard in 22.04.

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I'll try to move things in that direction as soon as I see the issue [09:02] Techrights-sec ok that's an improvement, perhaps a mute is needed for training purposes [09:02] schestowitz-TR a last resort, yes... I came close before [09:06] Techrights-sec not in all channels just the one is needed (long overdue) [09:06] Techrights-sec https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinner [09:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-simple.wikipedia.org | B. F. Skinner - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [09:08] Techrights-sec https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning [09:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-simple.wikipedia.org | Operant conditioning - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [09:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:10] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:12] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:14] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:14] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:15] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:34] Techrights-sec by the way, the steps to migrate from microSD to USB booting: [09:34] Techrights-sec burn OS image to USB, mount and transfer /etc /home and parts of /var, [09:34] Techrights-sec transfer info about installed packages and system accounts, [09:34] Techrights-sec set boot order in rasp-config, reboot, (all that is quick) [09:34] Techrights-sec then tie up loose ends, the better your backup protocol the faster this last [09:34] Techrights-sec part goes [09:34] Techrights-sec unfortunately for my particular use-case, the new OS has new versions of a lot [09:34] Techrights-sec of modules and most of my custom scripts are broken, perhaps beyoned repair. [09:34] Techrights-sec the perl scripts are in a better situation than the python scripts though so [09:34] Techrights-sec gemini capsule's workflow is most likely unaffected, the microSD card remains as [09:34] Techrights-sec a backup anyway [09:34] schestowitz-TR i was just thinking of asking you last night [09:34] schestowitz-TR as I too might make this move [09:34] schestowitz-TR I last made a full backup 2 days ago, I will back up cron again now.. [09:38] schestowitz-TR done [09:38] Techrights-sec ack [09:38] Techrights-sec excellent [09:39] schestowitz-TR to be clear, I back up /home to the laptop, which then gets offloaded to external disks too. so all accounts get covered [09:39] Techrights-sec ack [09:41] schestowitz-TR based on psydroid, disaster should be presumed imminent at all times and then, moving to external disk if the wiser choice, I have some spare USB disks here [09:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:44] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:45] Techrights-sec agreed; a USB stick is adequate and if slightly underprovisioned will do well [09:45] Techrights-sec I'm not quite sure of the best method to ensure underprovisioning because [09:45] Techrights-sec of the way that Raspberry Pi OS does the file system expansion. However most [09:45] Techrights-sec sticks I've seen have 5-year warrantees. So maybe that is not a severe [09:45] Techrights-sec problem any more. [09:53] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 15 [10:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [10:10] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:11] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 15 [11:22] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@7au7cchx5x986.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:26] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:28] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:31] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 15 [12:28] Techrights-sec I have a very primitev ive proof of concept chat set up now. [12:29] Techrights-sec it depends on MQTT and tmux, so with major changes to authentication, it could [12:29] Techrights-sec scale nicely but the authentication is one of the things which seems to have [12:29] Techrights-sec broken in the recent version of the distro [12:30] Techrights-sec because the windowing is managed by tmux, the scrollback is too [12:34] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [12:38] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:38] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [12:42] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:42] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:44] Techrights-sec ok still needs work [12:44] Techrights-sec quoting / escape bug fixed ● Jan 15 [14:27] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 pi: hello [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: 1 [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: 2 [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: 3 [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: yep [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 pi: multi-participants [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: it runs over mqtt, which in theory adds a lot of flexibility [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: if the recent regressions can be worked around or a new version [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: fixes them [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: ctrl-b + dnarrow will reduce the size of the lower pane [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: paste works [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: ^ test [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: handles rescaling better [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: yes, the windowing is only tmux [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: I looked at curses a bit but this has fewer parts in some ways [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: $ grep -c -v '^$' xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: 24 [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: [14:29] schestowitz 12:44 roy: this will make things easier [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: the big disadvantage for right now is that it requires local shell access [14:29] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: that is to say an SSH login is needed [14:30] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: if MQTT can ever work with TLS again then the client can be remote and [14:30] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: a login would not be needed [14:30] schestowitz 12:44 roy: brb, finalising blog post [14:30] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: ack [14:30] schestowitz 12:41 techrights-sec: I see a bug with the time stamp ... 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"Haar today, gone tomorrow: EPO's brief BoA move raises queries. Article is behind a paywall - Here is the link to the .PDF which is only available on the restricted SUEPO website - password protected. *Translations are available in German and French." [22:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-suepo.org | ● Jan 15 [23:05] *wallacer has quit (Quit: wallace dozed off) [23:06] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:16] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting) [23:39] schestowitz >> We can do a fiction piece for sure. Last year I [23:39] schestowitz >> did lots of poetry with fictional scenarios that get some points across. [23:39] schestowitz > Oh that's refreshing. [23:39] schestowitz > [23:39] schestowitz > Tell me what you think of this if you've time for a 15 min read