Techrights logo

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Wednesday, April 15, 2020

Join us now at the IRC channel.

schestowitz>> lxc-attach -n mysql-shared from the hvApr 15 00:08
schestowitz>>Apr 15 00:08
schestowitz>>Apr 15 00:08
schestowitz>> then, service <service> restartApr 15 00:08
schestowitz>>Apr 15 00:08
schestowitz>> there's only mariadb reallyApr 15 00:08
schestowitz>>Apr 15 00:08
schestowitz> Ok.  We can work out the access later if it becomes relevant.Apr 15 00:08
schestowitz> Apr 15 00:08
schestowitz>> Only earlier today I heard ba rant about this package.Apr 15 00:10
schestowitz> Apr 15 00:10
schestowitz> Apr 15 00:11
schestowitz> i discovered it purely through personal research, there was no lead. i hope youll link to or quote the rant in the logs, good or bad id love to read it. please email it if thats LESS bother.Apr 15 00:11
schestowitzThere was a dispute over this package in a major distro lately.Apr 15 00:11
schestowitzRe: libffiApr 15 00:11
*rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 00:19
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 00:19
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/Tired_of_Libs/status/1250128777813856256Apr 15 00:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Tired_of_Libs: What’s the difference between a young Bill Gates and an old Bill Gates? Not much... https://t.co/0u2MkKYJSGApr 15 00:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Bill Gates “Uploaded a Virus he Had Written and Caused the Entire Network to Crash.” | TechrightsApr 15 00:23
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/JulieMHolcomb/status/1250107381536743425Apr 15 00:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieMHolcomb: MSM did not mention the pedo case at all until a year after the criminal case (a case re pedophiles in Gates’ mansi… https://t.co/haYYTbocPTApr 15 00:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieMHolcomb: MSM did not mention the pedo case at all until a year after the criminal case (a case re pedophiles in Gates’ mansi… https://t.co/haYYTbocPTApr 15 00:24
acer-box"MSM did not mention the pedo case at all until a year after the criminal case (a case re pedophiles in Gates’ mansion). 1 of our members speculated that it might be related to Gates choosing to step down from various levels of duty… or being forced to."Apr 15 00:24
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/BestAmericanLi1/status/1250203007884701699Apr 15 00:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BestAmericanLi1: https://t.co/C9i2qhyAcF Bill Gates writes computer virus in 1970 and crashes national computer systemApr 15 00:24
*rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Apr 15 04:19
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 04:19
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/severus_tux/status/1250262578615349250Apr 15 04:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@severus_tux: @MassineBitam @Jankowiak_me @ProtonMail @signalapp @startpage @Bitwarden @StandardNotes @ProtonCalendar @onedrive… https://t.co/JpOs84ouj0Apr 15 04:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@severus_tux: @MassineBitam @Jankowiak_me @ProtonMail @signalapp @startpage @Bitwarden @StandardNotes @ProtonCalendar @onedrive… https://t.co/JpOs84ouj0Apr 15 04:43
acer-box\"Startpage betrayed its users. I don't trust it anymore."Apr 15 04:43
*rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 05:28
*rianne (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 05:28
schestowitz>> We bring down MariaDB for a few minutes to do checks and repairs. WillApr 15 05:34
schestowitz>> start shortly, maybe 20 minutes...Apr 15 05:34
schestowitz>>Apr 15 05:34
schestowitz> Thanks.Apr 15 05:34
schestowitz> Apr 15 05:34
schestowitz> If this does not trigger my script, I'll have to modify it toApr 15 05:34
schestowitz> accommodate the new arrangements.Apr 15 05:34
schestowitzWe want to repair the DBs after yesterday's crash, then try migrating TM's Drupal again.Apr 15 05:34
*rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 06:04
*rianne (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:05
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:06
*rianne has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Apr 15 06:06
schestowitz_logRApr 15 06:07
schestowitz_log[05:49] <Ariadne> greatApr 15 06:07
schestowitz_log[05:49] <Ariadne> greatApr 15 06:07
*rianne_ has quit (Client Quit)Apr 15 06:08
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:08
*rianne_ has quit (Client Quit)Apr 15 06:10
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:10
*rianne_ has quit (Client Quit)Apr 15 06:11
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:12
*rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 06:40
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:40
*rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 06:53
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:53
*rianne_ has quit (Client Quit)Apr 15 06:55
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:55
*rianne_ has quit (Client Quit)Apr 15 06:56
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 06:57
*rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 07:19
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 07:20
*rianne (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 07:24
*rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Apr 15 07:24
schestowitz> Please don't attribute it to me as the source. I just found it onApr 15 08:13
schestowitz> Twitter and immediately came to think of TechRights.Apr 15 08:13
schestowitz> Apr 15 08:13
schestowitz> The best thing in this context I ever saw was a banner at a 2004Apr 15 08:13
schestowitz> anti-software-patent conference hosted by the Greens/EFA group in the EPApr 15 08:13
schestowitz> and organized by them together with the FFII:Apr 15 08:13
schestowitz> "In the heaven of Gates, you pay the Bill."Apr 15 08:13
schestowitzIt was common sense to me not to attribute to you.Apr 15 08:13
schestowitzThanks for sharing anyway. We do get a lot of interest... esp the old Gates articles and esp now (because of recent events)Apr 15 08:13
schestowitzTake careApr 15 08:13
*rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Apr 15 08:36
*liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)Apr 15 08:36
*liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 08:59
*rianne (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 08:59
*rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 09:12
*rianne (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 09:12
schestowitz> Ok.  I've normalized all the TM-side scripts to point at localhost.Apr 15 09:46
schestowitzIt is good that hostname is a parameter now.Apr 15 09:46
schestowitzI need to think when my mind wonders (e.g. making coffee) what to try next. It's possible that Drupal 6 just isn't compatible with latest mysql; can't rule that out given all we've tried (and it's good that we're at least testing all those things.... with a quick safety net).Apr 15 09:46
schestowitzRemember TuxMachines has many years of Susan's life. She didn't even go on holiday because of the site. We have a duty to this wonderful person. Apr 15 09:46
schestowitz>> as otherwise we're piling up backups of aApr 15 09:46
schestowitz>> broken DB. Apr 15 09:46
schestowitz> Shall I redo the dump fetched to TR from TM?  It'll be a bit of load onApr 15 09:46
schestowitz> the net and maybe the CPU but it would get the broken dump out of the way.Apr 15 09:46
schestowitzNo need, but you might want to delete that (effectively broken/toxic) dump which must never be used.Apr 15 09:46
schestowitz>> Remote is broken. We tried again. Very baffling. See below.Apr 15 09:46
schestowitz> I guess the mariadb logs on the remote might say something.Apr 15 09:46
schestowitzYes, I was thinking that, but Rianne rushed me to just do the workout and she  wants to go buy food; our fridge is almost empty except loaves.Apr 15 09:46
*rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Apr 15 10:11
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 10:12
schestowitz> Apologies for the delayed response, I am trying to cut down on screen> time for a week or so.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzMakes sense.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> r.e curating Daily Links, I more or less do that on my personal TwitterApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> anyways, so would gladly take on that responsibility (although I will ofApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> course need a larger pool of sources than I currently have).Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzThat's OK, let's look at the areas below: Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Linux for fair competition and EPO issues both sound equally interestingApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> to me. Even though I'm operating on Ubuntu currently, I believe theApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Linux route will be a steeper learning curve (which I'm willing toApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> tackle, but given the current circumstances, I am not sure howApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> efficiently I can teach myself what I need to).Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzI understand. My wife too still needs to learn new things on Debian, even though she has used such systems for 7 years. I too need to learn stuff.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzWe tend to focus (in Techrights) on intersection with politics/justice aspects rather than purely technical.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> EPO issues sound more in-line with my ideal career path (consultation/Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> policy/ legislation). I understand a high degree of trust is needed forApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> most material in that area, however I would like to make it clear that IApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> am incredibly weary of handling sensitive information (having worked inApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> a pharmacy previously), and actually would feel more comfortable if theApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> highest of classified information was kept away from me (for now, as IApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> have had no experience dealing with whistleblower information).Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzYes, an associate of mine also said we should be wary who gets access to what. At least until a high level of trust, based on track record, is established.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> To summarise my passions, they are fair justice, dissolving the notionApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> that "free markets = free society", tech and mental health, and fairApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> competition (although the only real knowledge I have on that is one ofApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> my favourite books in the last few years, "Radical Markets" - EricApr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Posner + Glen Weyl).Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzWe're anti-monopoly. Governments aren't, except in theory/principle.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzSo I think I now know what you would be more passionate writing about.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Just out of interest, what are some notable examples of your articles /Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> research contributing towards justice directly?Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Many thanks,Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzIn recent years at the EPO there were many examples. Our research is used by the media, cited in Parliament, and has even led to firing of very high-level political figures. It also helped protect people who had come under attack on their career.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitzWhich areas of justice are you familiar with more and are you good with patent and/or copyright law? An intern of ours from Canada wrote about copyrights about a decade ago.Apr 15 11:24
schestowitz> Drupal 9 should be released some time in May or June, if it sticks toApr 15 11:32
schestowitz> the planned schedule:Apr 15 11:32
schestowitz> Apr 15 11:32
schestowitz> https://www.drupal.org/core/release-cycle-overviewApr 15 11:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.drupal.org/core/release-cycle-overview )Apr 15 11:32
schestowitz> Apr 15 11:32
schestowitz> It might be better to move to Drupal 9 than to Drupal 8.  However, whatApr 15 11:32
schestowitz> do the reviews of the beta and release candidate say?Apr 15 11:32
schestowitzI am more curious about migration paths from 6. 6 to 7 is possible, not sure about leap to 8 or even 9...Apr 15 11:33
schestowitzSoftware. Moves. TOO, FAST.Apr 15 11:33
schestowitzAlso, Drupal released aren't to be widely adopted until about a year later as many plugins need to keep up and add compatibility.Apr 15 11:33
schestowitzWhen it comes to TM I worry about all the fine customisations made to the site; many of them would break, would need replacements, or have no replacements available.Apr 15 11:33
schestowitzSusan complained a lot about the work associated with the move from 5 to 6.Apr 15 11:33
schestowitzI keep an eye open for critical security issues; Susan also mails me headsups about these...Apr 15 11:33
schestowitz>> They changed something.Apr 15 11:36
schestowitz>>Apr 15 11:36
schestowitz>> If I post the URL in IRC our bot picks up a partial headline, whereasApr 15 11:36
schestowitz>> the bot seems to be picking an invalid one, putting "0" where theApr 15 11:36
schestowitz>> headline typically goes.Apr 15 11:36
schestowitz>>Apr 15 11:36
schestowitz>> This doesn't look like the way ACLU botched their own site.Apr 15 11:36
schestowitz> This one is different.  They botched this one by switching away from theApr 15 11:36
schestowitz> Dublin Core metadata standard to something weird.Apr 15 11:36
acer-boxhttps://twitter.com/mr_squeege/status/1250370293396365312Apr 15 14:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mr_squeege: @MattHancock https://t.co/TracIR3uaK. You need to wake up!!Apr 15 14:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Thousands of Child Rape Photos Traded Out of Bill Gates’ Mansion | TechrightsApr 15 14:00
schestowitz>>> the planned schedule:Apr 15 17:52
schestowitz>>>Apr 15 17:52
schestowitz>>> https://www.drupal.org/core/release-cycle-overviewApr 15 17:52
schestowitz>>>Apr 15 17:52
schestowitz>>> It might be better to move to Drupal 9 than to Drupal 8.  However, whatApr 15 17:53
schestowitz>>> do the reviews of the beta and release candidate say?Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz>> I am more curious about migration paths from 6. 6 to 7 is possible, notApr 15 17:53
schestowitz>> sure about leap to 8 or even 9...Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz>>Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz>> Software. Moves. TOO, FAST.Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> Sort of.  I find the problem is that the software write-only.  Only aApr 15 17:53
schestowitz> very few project cull and refactor despite the pressing need forApr 15 17:53
schestowitz> continuous work in that area.Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz>> Also, Drupal released aren't to be widely adopted until about a yearApr 15 17:53
schestowitz>> later as many plugins need to keep up and add compatibility.Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> Ah.  Maybe 8 then.  The idea is that if the migration must happen thenApr 15 17:53
schestowitz> it should buy as much time as possible.  Drupal 7 is already on the way out:Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> https://www.drupal.org/psa-2019-02-25Apr 15 17:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.drupal.org/psa-2019-02-25 )Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz> What are these LTS releases you mention?  Are they part of CentOS / RHELApr 15 17:53
schestowitz> then?Apr 15 17:53
schestowitzWhen critical security issues become known and affect Drupal 6 some people write and publish patches, which can then be applied manually.Apr 15 17:53
schestowitz>> This should be mentioned more. Microsoft said that to Dina Bass, one of their ghostwriting tools.Apr 15 18:14
schestowitz> i agree, you should mention it more. i just signed up on the mobileread forums in the hopes of talking to kovid goyal about leaving github.Apr 15 18:14
schestowitz> Apr 15 18:15
schestowitz> he likes being "cross platform" (i understand) and will probably be dismissive. his microsoft-centric upbringing in mumbai aside (i also grew up on microsoft, dos and even ibm) his philosophy might eschew being entirely dismissive. though i suspect he is entrenched.Apr 15 18:15
schestowitz> Apr 15 18:15
schestowitz> i have previously admired calibre for its positive stance on python 2, though that may have changed. i found a bug in fig that only applies to pypy (in the arropen command) and i know how to fix it. two very short lines of code. pypys read() command seems to leave files open, and they have to be closed like other uses of open() this is trivial to fix on the fig side of things. i wonder if the pypy devs know about the issue.Apr 15 18:15
*rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Apr 15 18:55
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 18:55
*liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Apr 15 19:45
*rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)Apr 15 19:45
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 20:06
*liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 20:07
*liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)Apr 15 20:54
*rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)Apr 15 20:54
*liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 21:08
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 21:08
*liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Apr 15 22:10
*rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)Apr 15 22:10
*liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 22:31
*rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-172-215.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellApr 15 22:31

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!