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techrigthssecgmJan 16 04:20
techrigthssec"The above was covered in ..."Jan 16 04:20
techrigthssechttp://techrights.org/2023/01/15/microsoft-dropping-its-offices/Jan 16 04:20
techrigthssecWhat was above which was covered?Jan 16 04:20
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Sunday (Holiday Weekend) News Drop: Microsoft is Dropping Its Offices in Its Homebase (Seattle) | TechrightsJan 16 04:20
schestowitz-TRthis would be a problem for people who read onlyn summary but not gemini usersJan 16 04:23
schestowitz-TRin gemini they see headlinesJan 16 04:23
schestowitz-TRhaving said that, above can also b the title os postJan 16 04:24
schestowitz-TRseems they timed layoff for day after mlk dayJan 16 04:24
techrigthssecackJan 16 04:37
techrigthssecThe summary could summarize that however?  ;)Jan 16 04:37
techrigthssecRunning the de-javascripting script today over the archived tm gallery archiveJan 16 04:37
schestowitz-TRthanks for thatJan 16 04:55
schestowitz-TRI've put a draft in while video processesJan 16 04:55
schestowitz-TRbtw: gemini clocked ~75k reqs in past 3 daysJan 16 04:56
schestowitz-TRdid not check what hoards pagesJan 16 04:56
schestowitz-TRposts about layoffs still top the listJan 16 04:56
schestowitz-TRwhich I am happy about as it means people from inside Mirosoft read TRJan 16 04:56
schestowitz-TRlike EPO examiners reading about the issues with the patent systemsJan 16 04:56
schestowitz-TRwhen employees of X read TR, it is bad for management and agenda of XJan 16 04:58
schestowitz-TRX= EPO, Microsoft, Sirius...Jan 16 04:58
techrigthssecFive of the top 8 are about M$ layoffs, the others are feeds and the main pageJan 16 04:59
techrigthssecetcJan 16 04:59
techrigthssecThe Edda Franz post is #10Jan 16 04:59
techrigthssecgemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/Jan 16 04:59
techrigthssecbut that's from a longer period than the last three daysJan 16 04:59
schestowitz-TReven if just 10% of them become demoralised, that can already drive positive changeJan 16 05:02
schestowitz-TRand it's not easy getting thereJan 16 05:02
schestowitz-TRbecause there are typically preventive, proactove ad hom attacks on person/siteJan 16 05:02
schestowitz-TRrussia uses that in a dirty way to sir up violence and hatred in europe and elsewhereJan 16 05:02
schestowitz-TRhere, it's corporateJan 16 05:02
schestowitz-TR*stirJan 16 05:02
techrigthssecUnfortunately most of the recent traffic seems to be from 'vulpes.one'Jan 16 05:07
techrigthssecMicrosofters don't change their spots just because Bill has kicked them toJan 16 05:07
techrigthssecthe curb.  They'll still be operatives for  the larger cult until havingJan 16 05:07
techrigthsseca deep introspective look and repenting sincerely, or else captured and Jan 16 05:07
techrigthssecactively deprogrammed as per other cults.Jan 16 05:07
techrigthssecI'm betting that the former is a rare event and that Washington state is     Jan 16 05:07
techrigthssecunwilling to shell out the money to do the latter, even if it had the backboneJan 16 05:07
techrigthssecto go against a local political donor of that size.Jan 16 05:07
techrigthssecFurthermore most probably will be tricked or pressured into signing bothJan 16 05:07
techrigthssecNDAs and broad non-disparagement clauses in their separation "agreements"Jan 16 05:07
schestowitz-TRyes, them "just leaving" to get a bigger salary elsewhere (e.g. Google) won't solve the issueJan 16 05:08
schestowitz-TRwe need to see more Lewises who turn against MicrosoftJan 16 05:08
techrigthssecYes, very much so.  Jan 16 05:09
schestowitz-TRthat depends on what divison/project they worked onJan 16 05:10
schestowitz-TRit is still a (too) large companyJan 16 05:10
schestowitz-TRnot sure how to consistently make moneyJan 16 05:10
schestowitz-TRas "monopoly rents" egg away and the product is financialisationJan 16 05:10
schestowitz-TRand graftJan 16 05:10
schestowitz-TR*ebbJan 16 05:10
techrigthssecThey subsist on monopoly rents and almost none of the population understands Jan 16 05:12
techrigthssecthat.  The money is not from the "sale" of Windows, it is from the monopolyJan 16 05:12
techrigthssecrents enabled by the OEM monopoly.  Likewise, the money is not from the "sale"Jan 16 05:12
techrigthssecof MSO, it is from the monopoly rents enabled by the monopoly over productivityJan 16 05:12
techrigthssecsoftware file formats.  Thus projects like "OnlyOffice" are exercises in Jan 16 05:12
techrigthssecfutility as long as they  fail to push an open standard like ODF and insteadJan 16 05:12
techrigthssecchase m$ ever-changing, undocumented, proprietary formats.Jan 16 05:12
schestowitz-TRdraftJan 16 05:14
schestowitz-TRI have begun writing some of the later terms in more general terms that might strike a nrveJan 16 05:14
schestowitz-TRat a later point there will be a lengthy summary of the points coveredJan 16 05:14
schestowitz-TRand what advice I can give based on my personal experienceJan 16 05:14
schestowitz-TRI don't intend to get back into this _kind_ of jobJan 16 05:14
techrigthssecExcellentJan 16 05:18
techrigthssecGood pointJan 16 05:18
techrigthssecThough some kind of other job can provide a good baseline or interaction outsideof advocacy.  It in and of itselfJan 16 05:18
techrigthssec would provide localized outreach but also Jan 16 05:18
techrigthssecexperience of how others are interacting with technology and their viewpointsJan 16 05:18
techrigthssecand challenges.  Jan 16 05:18
techrigthssecHowever, your /average/ person has worse than zero knowledge of ICT and actuallyJan 16 05:18
techrigthssecbelieve and propagate misinformation about the services they are being used by.Jan 16 05:18
schestowitz-TRi am guessing some companies or unis move to microsoftJan 16 05:19
schestowitz-TRwhen things fail microsot pushes them MORE microsoftJan 16 05:19
schestowitz-TRto "prove" it'll workJan 16 05:19
schestowitz-TRif only everything ran on MicrosoftJan 16 05:19
techrigthssecYes.  The problem is always that there wasn't sufficient faith in m$ and thatJan 16 05:25
techrigthssecis always solved by buying TheNextVersion(tm) and MOAR of it.  For decades theJan 16 05:25
techrigthsseccycle has been the same, it'd work if only they could achieve 100% m$ integration.  Once that happens, the targetJan 16 05:25
techrigthssec goal posts move, and it would work if only theyJan 16 05:25
techrigthsseccould purhcase TheNextVersion, and if that happens before they run out ofJan 16 05:25
techrigthssecmoney then the goals posts move again.  At that point it becomes, it'd workJan 16 05:25
techrigthssecif only they had the right m$ training.  Then by that time, the $TheNextVersionJan 16 05:25
techrigthssechas become $ThePreviousVersion and that part of the cycle starts again.  And Jan 16 05:25
techrigthssecyes they still blame outright collapses on "Linux people" and your average Jan 16 05:25
techrigthssecworker agrees to believe that excuse.   Jan 16 05:25
techrigthssecSince you mention the divisions enhanced and exploited by the Kremlin, theJan 16 05:25
techrigthssecpresence of m$ in the univerisities could be part of that since it severlyJan 16 05:25
techrigthssecimpairs both learning, teaching, and research in both the short term andJan 16 05:25
techrigthssecthe long term, but especially the latter.                       Jan 16 05:25
schestowitz-TRmind if I quote or paraphrase the msft example?Jan 16 05:26
techrigthssec                   Jan 16 05:30
techrigthssecParaphrasing is better if possibleJan 16 05:30
techrigthsseclow quality hot takes don;t make good quotes unless polished substantialllyJan 16 05:30
techrigthssecThe problem is not new, it goes back to the 1990s.  But for a recent exampleJan 16 05:30
techrigthsseclook at Aaron Swartz's blog post about CondeNast and why he had no choice butJan 16 05:30
techrigthssecto walk out the door and  not look back.Jan 16 05:30
techrigthssechttp://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/officespaceJan 16 05:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.aaronsw.com | Office Space (Aaron Swartz's Raw Thought)Jan 16 05:30
techrigthssecPeopleSoft is far worse, and far more expensive, than SAPJan 16 05:53
techrigthssecevenJan 16 05:53
techrigthssec"the only winning move is not to play"Jan 16 05:53
schestowitz-TRi tried focusing only on grammarJan 16 06:03
schestowitz-TRsome people hate being MIS-quotedJan 16 06:03
schestowitz-TR"I suspect modern sites consider it unusual behaviour to log out, or not have their cookies. If you run your browser in private mode, or use security extensions that periodically clear your cookies, or are using VPNs for certain tasks, you know what I’m talking about." https://rubenerd.com/do-you-log-out-of-sites/Jan 16 06:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Rubenerd: Do you log out of sites?Jan 16 06:33
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schestowitz-TRthe url is wrong, sorryJan 16 07:05
schestowitz-TRI pasted the wrong urlJan 16 07:05
schestowitz-TRdoign the rest of the sirius series is going to be simplerJan 16 07:05
schestowitz-TRless complex stories to cover from all anglesJan 16 07:05
schestowitz-TRand it's partly drafted alreadyJan 16 07:05
schestowitz-TRthis week we'll hopefully see some microsoft layoffsJan 16 07:05
schestowitz-TRcan do 10 posts/day on averageJan 16 07:06
schestowitz-TRi think we're done buying food for now, got a backlog with whole boxes and cratesJan 16 07:06
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schestowitz-TRRumour: Microsoft Managers Trained 4 Days Ago on How to Tell About 5,000 Microsoft Employees That They’re Sacked | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2023/01/16/microsoft-managers-layoff-training/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/01/16/microsoft-managers-layoff-training/Jan 16 07:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Rumour: Microsoft Managers Trained 4 Days Ago on How to Tell About 5,000 Microsoft Employees That They’re Sacked | TechrightsJan 16 07:16
techrigthssecHow will those 5k get de-programmed so that they can change enough to becomeJan 16 07:28
techrigthssecproductive members of society for once?Jan 16 07:28
techrigthssecThey'd also need serious retraining since due to m$ they are unfit for workJan 16 07:28
techrigthssecanywhere with IT.  The mind set for learning IT is probably missing so differentJan 16 07:28
techrigthssecfields would be necessary.Jan 16 07:28
schestowitz-TRmany large firms with similar salary levels have hiring freezeJan 16 07:29
schestowitz-TRthis means they might have to aim not downwardsJan 16 07:29
schestowitz-TRbut another kind of occupationJan 16 07:29
schestowitz-TRthen, microsoftism has minimal effectJan 16 07:29
schestowitz-TRlewis does gardening, iircJan 16 07:29
techrigthssecYes but Lewis reformed.  Most others are still corrupt and ignorant even of howJan 16 07:29
techrigthssecbad the products they are spreading have been, and so will continue to spreadJan 16 07:29
techrigthssecthem even without further pay.Jan 16 07:29
schestowitz-TRwith these 5-pound binocular we can both see the city centre buildings at window levelJan 16 07:38
schestowitz-TRit's not gigantic optical stack, but enough for most needsJan 16 07:38
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schestowitz-TR(of course many things are becoming more plastic-y over time and shops reassure you that this is okJan 16 08:14
schestowitz-TRand you should buy it regardless. it's "progress"; new is "better"; we saw some typewriters on sale yesterday)Jan 16 08:14
schestowitz-TR((no, i have no use for them and ribbons are probably expensive anyway these day, like coffee "capsules"))Jan 16 08:14
techrigthssecFabric ribbons can be re-inked.  Carbon film ribbons are an environmental  Jan 16 08:24
techrigthssecproblem being plastic and all.Jan 16 08:24
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schestowitz-TRi saw a lot of articles about leaving twitter this past weekJan 16 10:11
schestowitz-TRone can hope things like these, which many people read, will influence themJan 16 10:11
schestowitz-TRthe latest TR post is unfinishedJan 16 10:11
schestowitz-TRI published it with typoe as exercise startedJan 16 10:11
schestowitz-TRmaybe you can spot mistakes, still editing..Jan 16 10:11
schestowitz-TRtrying to find more topics to cover till links are readyJan 16 10:37
schestowitz-TR12 posts in past 24 hoursJan 16 10:37
techrigthssecThe first gallery might be ready: http://news.tuxmachines.org/gallery/Jan 16 10:38
techrigthssecThe Google Analytics script has been defanged.Jan 16 10:38
techrigthssecAnything missing or brokenJan 16 10:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | TuxGalleryJan 16 10:38
schestowitz-TRgoing to ehcek nowJan 16 10:38
schestowitz-TRdid you stop tm-new?Jan 16 10:45
schestowitz-TRor did I do something at the ui that causes it?Jan 16 10:45
techrigthssecThanksJan 16 10:46
techrigthssecNo change here but can checkJan 16 10:46
schestowitz-TRmaybe firewalled?Jan 16 10:49
schestowitz-TRi see rss feed link, search box, and advanced search remained unchangedJan 16 10:49
schestowitz-TRlloks like my ip got bloakced for http+sJan 16 10:49
techrigthssecIt's still goingJan 16 10:55
techrigthssecShould those be changed?  They're currently copied verbatim from tm-oldJan 16 10:55
techrigthssecchecking Jan 16 10:55
techrigthssecWhich IP address? nft list ruleset | lessJan 16 10:55
techrigthsseca BT address is runing wget against tm-new, is that yours?Jan 16 11:00
techrigthssec-Another script to neutralize the Advanced Search links is neededJan 16 11:00
techrigthssecSame for the RSS Feed linksJan 16 11:00
schestowitz-TRyes, sorry, biab, foodJan 16 11:00
schestowitz-TRok, back, i think that's all I caught before the address got blockedJan 16 11:07
schestowitz  <li>Jan 16 11:08
schestowitz                                    <h5><a href="https://9to5linux.com/kodi-20-nexus-released-with-av1-hardware-decoding-on-linux-pipewire-support">Kodi 20 “Nexus” Released with AV1 Hardware Decoding on Linux, PipeWire Support</a></h5>Jan 16 11:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Kodi 20 "Nexus" Released with AV1 Hardware Decoding on Linux, PipeWire Support - 9to5LinuxJan 16 11:08
schestowitz                                    <blockquote>Jan 16 11:08
schestowitz                                        <p>Kodi 20 “Nexus” is a massive update that comes nearly two years after Kodi 19 “Matrix” to introduce major and exciting new features like support for the PipeWire multimedia server, AV1 hardware decoding on Linux via VA-API (Video Acceleration API), AV1 codec support for InputStream, as well as built-in Steam Deck controller support.</p>Jan 16 11:08
schestowitz                                    </blockquote>Jan 16 11:08
schestowitz                                </li>Jan 16 11:09
techrigthssecIt should be unblocked by now.  It is just a matter of removing it fromJan 16 11:41
techrigthssecthe set in NFT.  Working on neutralizing the Advanced Search and RSS links.Jan 16 11:41
techrigthssecscript runningJan 16 11:41
techrigthssecIt will take a long timeJan 16 11:41
schestowitz-TR"It is astonishing how many people are incapable of comprehending the following phrase from the article below..." ☛ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/01/twitter-ban/ | Source: Craig MurrayJan 16 11:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Twitter Ban - Craig MurrayJan 16 11:55
schestowitz-TR"All this on a 15 year old blue tick account with 110,000 followers. The account still exists and is visible online, though very difficult to find because of extreme shadowbanning." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/01/twitter-ban/Jan 16 11:58
schestowitz-TRin eurasia you don't get silencedJan 16 11:59
schestowitz-TRyou "CHOOSE" to say nothingJan 16 11:59
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techrigthssecYep he's paying the price for having fed twitter.Jan 16 12:08
techrigthssecIt's a bad situation all around -- stillJan 16 12:08
schestowitz-TRit was Jan 16 12:09
schestowitz-TRa) inevitableJan 16 12:09
schestowitz-TRb) causing his to blog lessJan 16 12:09
schestowitz-TRc) distracted from the importance of rss feeds, mailing lists etc. (in his control/domain)Jan 16 12:09
schestowitz-TRs/his/him/Jan 16 12:09
techrigthssecd) political in originJan 16 12:10
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schestowitz-TRthe fsf's choice of keynote seems politicalJan 16 13:11
schestowitz-TRnever heard of that speakerJan 16 13:11
schestowitz-TRthe fsf became too much about "optics"Jan 16 13:11
schestowitz-TRyou lose sight of the goal when you assess papers or talks based on desired political outcomesJan 16 13:12
techrigthssecSearching for "fsf" and "keynote"   Jan 16 13:22
techrigthssecbrings up a news.tuxmachines.org link among the first 10 hitsJan 16 13:22
techrigthssec:)Jan 16 13:22
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techrigthssecThe gallery has been updated, though the login link needs to be eliminated stillJan 16 23:20

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