IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 16, 2022

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there are still some permission problems, perhaps access should be to only

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the new IP address?

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166522:

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166522 )

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2022-08-16 05:10:10 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

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404 would be the error for deleted nodes I would think

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403 is an access control list problem

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The IRC logs from yesterday are not in IPFS :

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Checking remote server for IPFS logs.

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cat: /home/links/ipfs/220815.html: No such file or directory

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I am trying to finalise the weget thing atm

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about 4 nodes in the range should return this error because they were delete as dupes or similar

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oh, mea lupa

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short story, the server has an hour off

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so I set it to the wrong time

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running manually now

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*culpa

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re 404/403, I did not dleete but unpublished

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so it's just hiden basically

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*hidden

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ok try again now

Aug 16 06:24

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I delayed the testing or the cron job until tomorrow because the time was not set correwctly

Aug 16 06:24

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somehow I forgot I'd need to at least run it manually today

Aug 16 06:24

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thanks!

Aug 16 06:25

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tr-new seems to be at the right time

Aug 16 06:25

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date says 5:25

Aug 16 06:26

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but it is 6:25 here

Aug 16 06:26

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utc/bst

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we have 'leap hour' (bsd) here

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*bst

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*dst

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brtish 'summer' time

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it seems to have trhe right date and time:

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$ date -u; date

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Tue Aug 16 05:26:29 UTC 2022

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Tue Aug 16 05:26:29 UTC 2022

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oh :/

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this might mean I'd need to change the cron jobs absed on the season LOL

Aug 16 06:28

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bbl

Aug 16 06:30

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(btw, I use the -k option, you ewere right, I checked online, but for some links like images it still uses relative paths, so I am passing some files from

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old to newsd

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*new)

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bbl

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ack

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re-running the wget script, it's now pulling in additional nodes which were

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missed before

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I am running the same script also atm, with roy in the filename

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should I stop the script?

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* the one I started ?

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should I stop the script?

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* the one I started ?

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aaaaahhh, now it makes sense

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I was trying to retrieve objects over http

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in a https request

see http://news.tuxmachines.org/old/node/166938 http://news.tuxmachines.org/old/node/166939 http://news.tuxmachines.org/old/node/166940 ...

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.

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ack

Aug 16 08:19

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should only https be used to retrieve the TM nodes? wget no longer works

Aug 16 08:21

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with self-vouched-for certificates

Aug 16 08:21

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the downloads as they are now seem to work OK

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I'll do a second run later

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and then check the log

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after that redirect those requests

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ack

Aug 16 08:29

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unrelated: on the pi, if ipfs is running, full backup can take about 2 hours

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it takes 40 mins if it's not running

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thanks for the very fine wget script, it'll come in handy later as well

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btw, I've edited the irc post as it had the template stuff left over in tact :-)

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I caught it fast enough

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thanks

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there is currenty a mix of files (numbered 16xxxx) from old version and new version

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I'll clear them now and rerun the script

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then do a second pass

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to avoid old and new versions getting mixed up

x https://www.muylinux.com/2022/08/12/google-microsoft-open-source/

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the dir "old" is now "old-old"

Aug 16 08:58

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I will start a fresh copy to keep is more compact and not a mix of test runs

Aug 16 08:58

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ack

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schestowitz

Aug 16 09:36

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.muylinux.com | Google supera a Microsoft como "número uno" del Open Source

Aug 16 09:36

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x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3670077/nvidia-avatars-could-replace-human-speakers.html

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Nvidia: Avatars could replace human speakers | Computerworld

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# enderle

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so far so mgood

Aug 16 10:25

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<techrights-news> College Ranking System ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/breaking-ranks-college-colin-diver/ | Source: The Nation

Aug 16 10:28

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | The Broken College Ranking System | The Nation

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windows share continues to slide, but don't want to repeat that again, will focus on restoring the old drupal nodes we lost in june

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no bugs noticed in the new CMS, will add some nodes along with rianne soon

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last night she said she added two nodes and did not immediately see them, but when I checked they were fine right there, along with one from marius

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gemini capsule shows as a day-long "sticky" the updated nodes

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those tend to be the "BIG STORIES"... ones that have a lot of coverage and hence many followups

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so this is a big improvement

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as long as the media carries on meanining them, they'll stay near the top

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reducing the chanve that readers lose sight of them

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rianna dn I struggle to finish the food fast enough, but nothing is spoiling, except us

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*rianne and I

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ack

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would you say new TM backup regime goes like, gzip /var/www and /home/gemini

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while the DB is put in read-only mode?

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gemini homedir 15mb

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I tag.gz old-old and will put that away

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then /var/www will be about 700MB

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many are files and images imported from old

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old-old is not a compressed file in /home/roy/

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/var/home is 624mb

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/var/www I mean

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yes that protocol would do the job; though if no one is actively editing

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the database it can be copied as-is

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though the source would be /var/www/tuxmachines.org/ not /var/www/

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for the Web part and /home/gemini/gemini/ for the Gemini part

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by the evening we ought to have all nodes accessible again

Aug 16 13:44

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inc. the ones we lost in the DB incidents of June+July

Aug 16 13:44

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as you noted, reaching old nodes is very hard

Aug 16 13:44

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ack

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oops, belay that, around but in and out for a while

Aug 16 13:49

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how many of the nodes harvested via wget are orphans?

Aug 16 13:49

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I'd say the opposite -- the ones we get to are not orphans

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all pages are reachable

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but some barely

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wordpress has the same issue

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there are no comprehensive index pages

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they were only accessible by referencing the URL explicitly; several attempts

Aug 16 13:51

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at spidering did not find them;

Aug 16 13:51

schestowitz-TR

there are monthly archives, links from social control media and irc logs etc.

Aug 16 13:52

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but those are not good enough

Aug 16 13:52

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maybe we can tidy things up to that effect

Aug 16 13:52

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apropos, in gemini we will have similar challenge of nevigation to all pages

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for techrights we have long pages for monthly archives

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for tuxmachines we have linear navigation only

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it will make it very hard for crawling

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we got almost 3000 requests there

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but reaching something posted today one year from now means leaping between thousands of pages, even tens of thousands

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given the directory structure, the issue is very easily resollvable, even much later

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e.g. for each $month find | grep .gmi | sed => something

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mind if I prottype something in bash?

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like ~/gemini/archives/index.gmi

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or, I am guessing, given URL similarity to HTTP/S

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this is something that can (should?) be done for both in one fell swoop, would be more efficient too

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one pass instead of two

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and similar to what we have in TR

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no problem, but isn't there already a script for that?

Aug 16 14:27

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/var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/tm-generate-gemtext-index.sh

Aug 16 14:27

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does this take month/year as optional argument to make an index for past months/weeks/days?

Aug 16 14:29

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just spent some time trying to figrue out a bug in my scripts that boils down to "weird" chars that I use

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grep and sed can be confused by these

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in pattern matching

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I had that issue also years ago

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the latest neon copes better with such chars

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one very nice thing now is, when i "UPDATE" a page it'll show up again as "new" as updated

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so I can popts a link again, labelled suitably

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I told youi rianne experienced something weird last night

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but turns out she just misunderstood

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she didn not see the pages she had added... at top of the list, but they were there below the newly-updates ones

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(those tends to be more important stories with more prominent coverage)

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it merely includes the existing feed-based list which should have been

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made as part of the add-and-refresh or update-and-refresh scripts

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yes that's what all the trouble with timestamps enables, among other things now

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which part?

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I should make the process smoother

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Oh, that can be fixed too. But if the updated ones should have a higher

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priority, we can leave it as it is.

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checking

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it looks like that step has been skipped,

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it's best as it is

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rianne just had another expectation

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so she didn't see what she had added

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re ~/gemini/archives/index.gmi

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I think /var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/tm-generate-gemtext-index.sh

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already does something similar but for a different range criterion

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not

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tm-generate-gemtext-archive.pl/sh

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that takes year and month as argument

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and then gives a list

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which would then be possible to use as api in year/month loop

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to make an archives page

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at the very least for crawlers

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this is something drupal lacks/lacked also

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there is a page with archives for each month since start of site

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but it is not easily accessible

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and even when it is, you have to go next, next, next in pagination

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as a month can have 1000+ posts in it

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so an index by month and an index by day are needed for Gemini?

Aug 16 14:51

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given the volume of posts and spiders frowning upon pages with "too many" links in them, maybe 3-level filing (year->month->day) would be best

Aug 16 14:53

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like the IRC archives and bulletins in TR gemini capsule

Aug 16 14:53

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or by week and day only?

Aug 16 14:54

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Grouping TM posts by week would still cause very long lists

Aug 16 14:54

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The list per month would be unusably long and perhaps penalized in SEO eventually

Aug 16 14:54

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I forgot Google's link thereshold and when I last knew it was likely outdated info for now

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tbh, I think building sites for search engines might be OK just for people who tailor specific search pharases to make sales

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loyal, returning visitors are far more important

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we don't do categories in tuxmachines anymore, it speeds up info entry

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so in-site search and dates are the way to go

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some try to assess similarity/proximity to other pages

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and then add them around each page

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fuzzy search

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<techrights-news> Canonical is working for Microsoft and Microsoft didn't even buy Canonical! https://ubuntu.com//blog/install-dotnet-on-ubuntu

Aug 16 14:59

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft and Canonical announce native .NET availability in Ubuntu 22.04 hosts and containers | Ubuntu

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infiltrated through toxic staffing

Aug 16 15:08

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like raspi, you might be banned for "microsoft bashing" if you point it out to them

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crime syndicates <3 CoC. it makes opposition to crime "hate speech".

Aug 16 15:09

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<techrights-news> Canonical should submit antitrust complaints over Microsoft blocking Linux, not work with the abuser

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<techrights-news> James Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft = Big Oil of software http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/

Aug 16 15:10

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights

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ack

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worth doing video about? (I've prioritised site maintenance lately)

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tbh, the topis are very scarce this month

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ok, I'll do a video

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it'll take another 2 hours to download all the pages anyway

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it's a good topic IMHO

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ack

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[15:58] <schestowitz[TR2]> Barlow died around that time

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[15:58] <schestowitz[TR2]> last year they kicked out the other co-founde

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[15:58] <schestowitz[TR2]> EFF: same name, not the same people at the wheel

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ack

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draft

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ack

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"Moving to Ubuntu" might be "Moving from Ubuntu" instead

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Peppermint OS Now Offers Devuan-Based ISOs for Software Freedom Lovers - 9to5Linux

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twitter is dying

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but it's not news

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so nothing too "surprising" to present

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it quit sending me spam notifications

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like fake ones to give the false impression I have interactions

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daily impression halved since pre-Musk

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it's the next indenti.ca with pump.io

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made it irrelevant very fast

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gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/16/ODF_standard_and_the_code_EasyHack.gmie_code_EasyHack.gmi

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when running git pull

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I've been getting quite a few timeouts this past hour

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both TM and TR

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but cannot see an issue upstream

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wow, rianne saved almost 50 quid with today's grocery shopping

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now downloading 168,000+

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I have a list of about 10 steps after that

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just trying to clear all rss feeds prior to these tasks

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apachetop says tm-old still does 10.5 hits/sec in the past 3 hours

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I want to see what happens when we redirect those 1800 or so newer pages

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and esp. see what pages are still in demand

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yes, the response is almost instant

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yes, less clutter

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the pages load very fast now, as they're static (the ones downloaded)

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and along the top right it has a mention of the new address for latest news, under "Latest News"

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The new site format is a lot better, never mind performance aspects

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the old one was far too noisy and people kept complaining either about no https (TR has that now) or

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the page reuqiring very wide screen due to the sidebars on both sides

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<techrights-news> Poul-Henning Kamp: Surveillance Too Cheap to Meter https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/7/262077-surveillance-too-cheap-to-meter/fulltext

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cacm.acm.org | Surveillance Too Cheap to Meter | July 2022 | Communications of the ACM

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ack

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I have a dumb question

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on /home/roy I have my wget log

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I checked file sizes for all files of interest

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it's all done

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I want to get the list of 403 or similar

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for sanity check

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checking

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that data is not in the table

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however, 'blacklist' might be the same

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but a few spot checks comparing that to another log indicate that is not the

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case

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thanks, that's enough sanity for now :-)

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it's not even original "content"

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I've not set this up to redict ALL these nodes to the new site's mirror

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no matter what is in the url as long as node/NUMBER precedes it for this range

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doing more testing now

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try /home/tuxmachines/wget.log

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the rewrite engine in Apach2 can do patterns and pattern-based substitutions

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testing today\''s local and remote DB backup

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we can soon turn off these backups, as only cache tables will change

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