●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 17, 2022 ●● ● Jun 17 [00:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:23] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:23] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:41] schestowitz-TR https://www.fsf.org/blogs/gnu-press/beat-the-heat-with-gnu-summer-swag [00:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | Beat the heat with GNU summer swag Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:41] schestowitz-TR now you know fsf means business ;-) ● Jun 17 [01:08] DaemonFC I especially like how when you hover over the images in Firefox it repeatedly zooms in and out. [01:08] DaemonFC Very good site design. ● Jun 17 [05:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 17 [06:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 17 [07:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:41] schestowitz-TR i went tp shop.fsf.org [07:41] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: I see what you mean now ● Jun 17 [08:01] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [08:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2k4rvwejvpeiw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 17 [09:07] *spazz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:08] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 17 [11:07] Techrights-sec2 there's no date on this post: https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.en.html [11:07] Techrights-sec2 and for that matter theu are still using the FSFe name [11:07] Techrights-sec2 no info even in document metadata [11:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Open letter for the right to install any software on any device - FSFE [11:07] schestowitz-TR using a 37-year-old brand helps them 'dope' their way into the limelight [11:07] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:21] Techrights-sec2 also there was apparently another"decision" against JA again, but it's not [11:21] Techrights-sec2 really picked up by any sites yet (if it ever will be) [11:21] Techrights-sec2 the decision has been kind of a done deal when they 1) failed to recuse [11:21] Techrights-sec2 the judge who had a conflict of interest and 2) address only the health concerns [11:21] Techrights-sec2 and not the matters of press or journalism [11:21] schestowitz-TR yes, [11:21] schestowitz-TR 1) rianne told me [11:21] schestowitz-TR 2) one minute later alexey said it in irc [11:22] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:24] schestowitz-TR maybe the sad thing is that I cannot say I'm surprised at this point and when rianne told me this [11:24] schestowitz-TR I said, he'd appeal [11:24] schestowitz-TR but wasn't mortified by the outcome [11:24] schestowitz-TR the whole thing shows you the state of politics [11:24] schestowitz-TR you see the same in the EPO [11:24] schestowitz-TR i already play word games in my mind, what to say when the AC "AUTHORISES CRIMES" [11:26] schestowitz-TR soon eff will play the world's tiniest violin [11:26] schestowitz-TR with some photos of barlow's face [11:26] schestowitz-TR like the fsfe with fsf type branding like gnu heads [11:26] schestowitz-TR barlow was a close friend of assange [11:26] schestowitz-TR they even cofounded freedom of the press fdn iirc [11:26] schestowitz-TR before it turned into an anti-assange group funded partly by pierre omidyar [11:32] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:32] Techrights-sec2 the news is more likely to be picked up in India than in the US [11:32] Techrights-sec2 or th eUK or Australia [11:32] Techrights-sec2 there has been some intermittent coverage in Australia but nothing which has [11:32] Techrights-sec2 succeeded in eliciting even the smallest of responses from any of the politicians [11:32] schestowitz-TR if such news gets picked up, you can bet your COVID they will interject some unrelated BS about girld in Sweden [11:32] schestowitz-TR one of whom is not a "he/him" and the other vanished completely with money and infamy [11:32] schestowitz-TR /s/not/now/ [11:32] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 17 [12:05] Techrights-sec2 the few sites mentioning it at all are, as expected, omitting all reference [12:05] Techrights-sec2 to war crimes and the UN's report on his ongoing torture [12:05] schestowitz-TR 'Trial' by media [12:06] schestowitz-TR maybe the media can whip up hatred in some totally insane mobs and get them to spread hate there too [12:06] schestowitz-TR as happened in past years [12:08] schestowitz-TR Today the UK 'court' system or regime decided to once again 'virtue-signal' to war criminals: we are on the side of war criminals, we shall protect war criminals (unless they speak Russian), we'll even assassinate people who merely speak about or expose the war crimes. This means that, inter alia, we've governed by criminals. [12:11] schestowitz-TR iTWire - UK approves Assange extradition to US, WikiLeaks says it will appeal https://itwire.com/strategy/uk-approves-assange-extradition-to-us,-wikileaks-says-it-will-appeal.html Source: itwire [12:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - UK approves Assange extradition to US, WikiLeaks says it will appeal [12:19] Techrights-sec2 just saw that one, it uses tweets in place of sources [12:19] schestowitz-TR vico is the new trial [12:19] schestowitz-TR tweets are the new decisions [12:23] Techrights-sec2 tweets allow manipulation of the public and those agencies which make [12:23] Techrights-sec2 announcements via social control media know that and wish to exploit it further [12:23] schestowitz-TR they can be the ones commenting, indirectly, using pseudonyms and troll armies [12:24] Techrights-sec2 astrotufer armies [12:24] Techrights-sec2 ^astroturfer [12:43] schestowitz-TR draft [12:43] schestowitz-TR see title [12:43] schestowitz-TR trying to setg the tone here [12:43] schestowitz-TR goint to leave shortly to escape the heat, get foot on bike [12:43] Techrights-sec2 checking [12:56] schestowitz-TR From "The Linux Gamer" to "The Valve Shill" (even Windows sometimes) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_L-RJkFOdCc Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [12:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | A new Deck APU driver for Windows fixes Halo Infinite regression (plus other Deck News) - Invidious ● Jun 17 [13:01] Techrights-sec2 i've made a point of avoiding clicking on gardiner's crap videos since he [13:01] Techrights-sec2 sold out even if I do check the headlines / titles to keep track of what [13:01] Techrights-sec2 he is shilling [13:01] Techrights-sec2 apparently Assange could also appeal to the European Court of Human Rights [13:01] Techrights-sec2 but only one article even mentioned that and even then only in passing [13:01] Techrights-sec2 no details if the journalism and press aspects of the case would come up [13:01] Techrights-sec2 there at all or if it would just be a rehash of 'mental health' issues [13:01] Techrights-sec2 ECHR ought to at least address the matter of ongoing torture ● Jun 17 [14:19] *techrights_guest|18 (~238e6693@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:40] *spazzz is now known as spazz ● Jun 17 [15:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:54] Techrights-sec2 Norway was probably also complicit in the untimely end of Arjen Kamphuis there [15:54] Techrights-sec2 but their coverage of the extradition is only a few words long and much of [15:54] Techrights-sec2 that is wasted on refering to a "tweet". [15:54] Techrights-sec2 furthermore, dragging him out of the embassy was in violation of several other [15:54] Techrights-sec2 treaties [15:54] Techrights-sec2 that, too, gets little coverage [15:54] Techrights-sec2 [15:55] schestowitz-TR Kamphuis is mentioned in the PDF sent to WIPO re Debian [15:55] schestowitz-TR basically Debian's stewartship in in doubt [15:55] schestowitz-TR *wardship ● Jun 17 [16:01] schestowitz-TR china is starting to build distros off of debian and ubuntu [16:01] schestowitz-TR so this is becoming a nat sec matter [16:01] schestowitz-TR and serious stuff [16:01] schestowitz-TR but no proof of a state-conducted intervention [16:04] Techrights-sec2 they are already playing hardball with the internal politics in those distros [16:04] Techrights-sec2 it will only get much worse until China is able to fork and the US will do all [16:04] Techrights-sec2 it can to prevent or sabotage that even if it means taking down Debian the [16:04] Techrights-sec2 rest of the way [16:05] schestowitz-TR like I said, proof is very thin on this [16:05] schestowitz-TR partly hypoerbolic and hypothetical [16:06] schestowitz-TR but if it does happen, we need to be safer from slapp [16:06] schestowitz-TR I suppose you saw those 2 (so far) articles about Microsoft paying GNOME some slush funds [16:09] schestowitz-TR off to another topic, hypothetical threats aside [16:09] schestowitz-TR like theoretical threats to gemii (someone other than me did an article about this too) [16:09] schestowitz-TR today tesco was full of many people, either because it's friday or a hot day [16:09] schestowitz-TR that was resulting in less discounted food, too [16:09] schestowitz-TR so a tad unsafe and disappointing [16:09] schestowitz-TR lessons learned [16:09] schestowitz-TR we got many drinks (alcohol) to make up in weight [16:11] Techrights-sec2 a lot of the alcoholic drinks can be of low quality ingredients if one is not [16:11] Techrights-sec2 careful with the selection [16:11] Techrights-sec2 the grain shortages (prior to the attack on Ukraine) were already driving up [16:11] Techrights-sec2 food costs, beer getting hit earlier [16:15] schestowitz-TR I had never been in a meeting in my 33-year business career in which a competitor had so blatantly implied that we should either stop competing with it or the competitor would kill us" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3663442/death-of-internet-explorer-good-riddance-to-ba [16:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The death of Internet Explorer: Good riddance to bad rubbish | Computerworld [16:19] schestowitz-TR until 7pm or so will need to remain calm and cool to avoid sweating [16:19] schestowitz-TR doors are open, but humidity rose [16:19] schestowitz-TR in IDG the SJVN articles seem to say what ZDNet ius rejecting [16:23] schestowitz-TR Mozilla is not a tech company but a leech living off of Google money to pretend choice and competition exist https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/brandon-kyle-goodman-big-mouth-messy-mondays-online-community/ [16:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox Presents: Redefining love and identity, one viral video at a time [16:25] Techrights-sec2 ack [16:26] schestowitz-TR the saying for that is, "get woke, go broke" [16:26] Techrights-sec2 ack [16:26] Techrights-sec2 yep [16:26] Techrights-sec2 mozilla is now all about dismantling both the brand and the technology itself [16:26] Techrights-sec2 and build up a bad reputation with animosity against both [16:35] Techrights-sec2 however that can be weaponized to take out projects without revealing the real [16:35] Techrights-sec2 attacker, just incite them to go woke until the infighting kills off the [16:35] Techrights-sec2 software and, more importantly, the development community. [16:37] schestowitz-TR I wonder if those tactics can be turned back against them -- them as in the original attackers [16:37] schestowitz-TR I know you can proavtively prepare material to demonstrate hypocrisy so when they troll you then [16:37] schestowitz-TR you make that very costly to them [16:37] Techrights-sec2 perhaps but only when there is awareness. for the time being there is too [16:37] Techrights-sec2 much "divide and conquer" as brigading and ad hominem have worked so well so far [16:38] Techrights-sec2 the one who fought the best ran South East Linux Fest [16:41] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:42] Techrights-sec2 the one who fought the best ran Southeast Linuxfest, Jeremy. [16:42] Techrights-sec2 The attacks are quite distributed though there seems to be a core of aggressors [16:42] Techrights-sec2 they appear to function by drumming up very large lynch mobs so that they [16:42] Techrights-sec2 can work by proxy while the load for any individual mob participant is rather [16:42] Techrights-sec2 low and without much commitment [16:44] schestowitz-TR last night in the maain channel dfc was stirring up political arguing with the person who he should, instead, [16:44] schestowitz-TR confront over fake security and technical, corporate issues [16:44] schestowitz-TR that's under observation [16:44] schestowitz-TR better not to have that channel as a risk and liability [16:44] schestowitz-TR I moved some covid rants to this channel [16:44] schestowitz-TR sleep-related side effects [16:45] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:48] Techrights-sec2 too bad he got so badly off topic [16:48] Techrights-sec2 going on like that so often ends up being quite harmful [16:48] Techrights-sec2 the post he made on MSIE not actually going away was rather useful and covered [16:48] Techrights-sec2 very important points [16:48] Techrights-sec2 I suppose all the non-GUI components and DLLs are still spread throughout the [16:48] Techrights-sec2 system and can still be invoked at will by malware [16:57] schestowitz-TR he was very deeply into windows mechanics around that time [16:57] schestowitz-TR even earned him MS MVP [16:57] schestowitz-TR but he's not even remoately loyal to that company [16:57] schestowitz-TR I'd rather not talk about his life and the politics [16:57] schestowitz-TR remember which state he lives in [16:57] schestowitz-TR last night, after over a week of deep thinking, I came to the conclusion flying is off limits for quite some time [16:57] schestowitz-TR not just the inconvenience of it [16:57] schestowitz-TR but rather than risk of getting infected while also [16:57] schestowitz-TR away and that opens a whole jar of worms [16:57] schestowitz-TR if the purpose of the travel s "going places" and "meeting people" (not "bunkering"), [16:57] schestowitz-TR than the chance is infection is very high [16:57] schestowitz-TR (side aspect: my daily routine requires direct access to some machines; since automating some of these things I've [16:57] schestowitz-TR not slept overnight [16:57] schestowitz-TR or part overnight elsewhere) [16:59] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 17 [17:00] Techrights-sec2 yes flights are very unhealthy to the point of being dangerous, that is [17:00] Techrights-sec2 on top of the social/psychological abuse dished out by the security theatre [17:00] Techrights-sec2 teams [17:00] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:00] Techrights-sec2 still it would probably be best to at least slowly enable things for remot [17:00] Techrights-sec2 activity [17:00] Techrights-sec2 doing it while there is no pressure is easier and might also bring up opportunities for further optimization of the work flow [17:02] schestowitz-TR a lot of it can e done remotely, remediated remotely, but it is extra work and another kind of workflow [17:02] schestowitz-TR esp. when things do not go as expected [17:02] schestowitz-TR that, in its own right, can lead to mild anxiety or stress [17:02] schestowitz-TR in my notes I wrote some tricks and hacks for ssh [17:02] schestowitz-TR like starting a program remoately, on the local machine... [17:03] Techrights-sec2 I try to do it all through SSH so that the work flow becomes independent [17:03] Techrights-sec2 from physical location as much as possible [17:03] Techrights-sec2 ^SSH or plain local shell [17:11] schestowitz-TR Corporate media: Western "tech" corporations are a success story. Us sceptics: BUT DO THEY MAKE MONEY? (Other than Pentagon graft, i.e. subsidies from US taxpayers through national debt) https://www.maketecheasier.com/snapchat-plus-paid-subscription/ [17:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.maketecheasier.com | Snapchat Plus Is Paid Subscription to Cover Revenue Loss - Make Tech Easier [17:13] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:17] schestowitz-TR enron-style accounting is not a cautionary tale [17:17] schestowitz-TR it's a lecture theme ;-) [17:17] schestowitz-TR I often joke to rianne [17:17] schestowitz-TR something along the line os, [17:17] schestowitz-TR *of, [17:17] schestowitz-TR give me TOO $10,000,000,000 in capital [17:17] schestowitz-TR to hire peoplke and do pet project? [17:17] schestowitz-TR Will that be PROFITABLE? [17:17] schestowitz-TR Haha, that's the HARD part [17:17] schestowitz-TR and that sums up how penaton budget gets spent not just on high-0tehc [17:17] schestowitz-TR but also failing projects like F0-25 [17:17] schestowitz-TR whose guns did not even work for YEARS [17:17] schestowitz-TR *F-35 [17:17] schestowitz-TR Thomask Drake blew the whistle on fraud, waste, and another them [17:17] schestowitz-TR in twitter [17:17] schestowitz-TR we used to joke about how the F-35 could not even work [17:17] schestowitz-TR with an AMAZING budget like this! [17:17] schestowitz-TR He focused on NSA though [17:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:17] Techrights-sec2 yes, fraud has become normalized, same for bailouts not just handouts [17:19] Techrights-sec2 those would be dangerous if deployed in situations where functionality and [17:19] Techrights-sec2 performace are critical to survival [17:21] schestowitz-TR hush hush tinfoil hat: how much of Rd Hat's budget and income/revenue was DoD? (we do not know, they don't break down by client) [17:21] schestowitz-TR If I tried to find out the answer, I would be "assisting hacking" and thus be charged, as a a German, under US Espionage Act ;-) [17:21] schestowitz-TR that's the message they tell us... [17:22] Techrights-sec2 so they cover up fraud that way [17:23] schestowitz-TR "what exposes or CAN expose our crimes is a crime... so WATCH OUT!" [17:23] schestowitz-TR "we know where your kids are"-John Bolton [17:23] Techrights-sec2 "security" but not as one normally thinks of it, more as in /their/ job security [17:25] schestowitz-TR they even spied on Jen Robinson [17:25] schestowitz-TR not her love life (she asked me in person not to mention this) [17:25] schestowitz-TR bur what she does to make the casue for Assange in court and in the media (she is good at both) [17:25] schestowitz-TR shed made her name in east timor actuallyt [17:25] Techrights-sec2 yep [17:25] Techrights-sec2 don't post it here then :( [17:25] schestowitz-TR I did not [17:25] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:28] schestowitz-TR the CIA ha haspel [17:28] schestowitz-TR who is ugly and brutal [17:28] schestowitz-TR they must have it that Assange is passionatewly defended by someone who is both intelligent and attractive [17:28] schestowitz-TR these sort of people don't build CIA careers [17:28] schestowitz-TR they settle for an obese Pompous Pompeo [17:28] schestowitz-TR who incidentally travelled to Minsk for his Moskvite President [17:29] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:31] schestowitz-TR sometimes I wish I had gone to meet Julian in person as it was too late already around 2018 [17:31] schestowitz-TR but seeing how people who met him are entered into lists (even visitors from USA and Spain), maybe [17:31] schestowitz-TR it's better I never did [17:31] schestowitz-TR Omidyar-funded mflee (micah) seems to have incited rms against ja after he had met him [17:31] schestowitz-TR I was a bit shocked that rms was upset at ja because he sensed that Trump was ja's fault [17:31] schestowitz-TR which is of cours rthe same bs they use against jill stein [17:31] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:33] schestowitz-TR today we purchased another bottle of vegetable ol [17:33] schestowitz-TR price rose to 1.59 iirc [17:33] schestowitz-TR when I was doing all the shopping myself it was about 1.00 or less [17:33] schestowitz-TR rianne is cooking now and we have cider [17:33] schestowitz-TR we fed about 200 geese and ducks [17:34] Techrights-sec2 those are hard to get these days [17:34] Techrights-sec2 they'll be rarer and more expensive all too soon [17:34] Techrights-sec2 careful, there is real cider and then there is chemical cider [17:34] Techrights-sec2 which were you able to get? [17:34] Techrights-sec2 real cider is quite tasty, the chemical stuff is nasty and poisonous [17:37] schestowitz-TR I think all the low-cost one are just cheap shit [17:37] schestowitz-TR this one is tesco-branded [17:37] schestowitz-TR so you rely on the shop not selling poison under its own name/brand [17:37] Techrights-sec2 store brands can be ok but you have to always check the ingredients list first [17:40] schestowitz-TR it as the first time we bought this, it was not planned, I wanted to make up with weight for the scarcity of good bargains [17:40] schestowitz-TR we also took 4 lites of lemonade (for the vodka) [17:40] schestowitz-TR *litres [17:40] schestowitz-TR we do not drink often, very rarely by English standards [17:40] schestowitz-TR I want my mind to be functional for another 40 years [17:41] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:41] Techrights-sec2 https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/256595496 [17:41] Techrights-sec2 "Water, Glucose Syrup, Apple Concentrate, Glucose-Fructose Syrup ..." [17:41] Techrights-sec2 it's not the quantity as much as the quality, even "cheap" stuff if made with [17:41] Techrights-sec2 real ingredients is not that bad but a chemical solution :( [17:42] *TechrightsBN has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:43] schestowitz-TR thanks for the quick research [17:43] schestowitz-TR we won't be buying this again [17:43] schestowitz-TR I've told rianne [17:43] Techrights-sec2 less bad: [17:43] Techrights-sec2 https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/307147691 [17:47] schestowitz-TR the latter is about 50% more expensive per litre and hareder to carry [17:47] schestowitz-TR also, those f*ers give a discount only if you present your "lotalty" ID to them [17:47] schestowitz-TR I refuse to buy such production [17:47] schestowitz-TR products [17:47] schestowitz-TR it is a form of discrimination [17:47] schestowitz-TR the "we don't know you!" tax [17:50] Techrights-sec2 there's probably better stuff there at a not bad price if one looks but [17:50] Techrights-sec2 with bargain stores, when trying new products of /any/ kind one has to read [17:50] Techrights-sec2 the ingredients carefully; [17:50] Techrights-sec2 ah that's poorly done of them [17:50] Techrights-sec2 there are probably other types though [17:50] Techrights-sec2 boxed apple juice is sterile so a bit of live bakers' yeast off the tip of a [17:50] Techrights-sec2 sterile knife ought to innoculate it and by next week (in the refrigerator) [17:50] Techrights-sec2 you'll have your own cider [17:50] Techrights-sec2 longer == stronger up to a low limit, thereafter you'd have to change yeast [17:50] Techrights-sec2 I accidentally got some chemical cider in my mouth once, and regretted the flavor quickly; it was not unlike the ingredient list on the tesco cider [17:51] schestowitz-TR I'm no alcohol enthusiast and won't home-brew [17:51] schestowitz-TR it's just another narcohtic [17:51] schestowitz-TR and not even good at that (fatterning, addictive, harmful to vital organs) ● Jun 17 [18:25] Techrights-sec2 there are also a lot of beer-like fluids out there on the shelves [18:25] Techrights-sec2 masquerading as beer, like with the cider, one has to read the ingredients [18:25] Techrights-sec2 carefully [18:25] Techrights-sec2 https://www.historisches-lexikon-bayerns.de/Lexikon/EN:Purity_Law,_1516 [18:25] schestowitz-TR I don't fancy the taste of most beers [18:25] schestowitz-TR even expensive ones [18:25] schestowitz-TR until I am very very thristy [18:32] Techrights-sec2 dilute juice is quite good, too, the extra dilution can make it seem less [18:32] Techrights-sec2 sweet yet retain much of the flavor [18:32] Techrights-sec2 again check the ingredients list before putting it in the basket [18:34] schestowitz-TR I've just had 2 more nectarines [18:34] schestowitz-TR I think I had about 3 or 4 this morning [18:34] schestowitz-TR then 3 again afternoon [18:34] schestowitz-TR just short of 10 in total, but I craved sweets and we still have loads of these [18:34] schestowitz-TR the company has just sent us a mesage to say that next week they will send a message LOL [18:34] schestowitz-TR I told her, they don't know what the heck they are doing [18:35] Techrights-sec2 those are quite tasty [18:35] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:40] Techrights-sec2 why would they send a more or less empty message? [18:40] Techrights-sec2 why would they send a more or less empty message? [18:44] schestowitz-TR because they keep missing their own self-imposed deadlines or breaking promises [18:44] schestowitz-TR and they need to say something to say "hang in there" [18:44] schestowitz-TR likewise, they said they'd send weekly updates back in January [18:44] schestowitz-TR that did not happen [18:44] schestowitz-TR rianne and I kept joking about it and the name "TheLiar" was born [18:44] schestowitz-TR he had lied before, but it was more suitble [18:44] schestowitz-TR *subtle [18:44] schestowitz-TR there is information vacuum and mythology being spread [18:44] schestowitz-TR I told rianne they're too focused on optics [18:44] schestowitz-TR instead of skill retention [18:44] schestowitz-TR I even told it to them directly last week [18:45] schestowitz-TR I hope they took to heart [18:45] schestowitz-TR at this stage we hardly care, and that's what's importanty [18:45] schestowitz-TR "que sera sear" -rianne (spalling might be wrong, she can do some spanish, I cannot) [18:45] schestowitz-TR one way or another, the company may be doomed already [18:45] schestowitz-TR and we wanted to leave before all that [18:45] schestowitz-TR but the alternatives out there were even worse [18:45] Techrights-sec2 :( [18:45] Techrights-sec2 sounds problematic [18:45] Techrights-sec2 they can only sweep so much of the problem unde the rug and only for so long [18:45] Techrights-sec2 they may not know what skills are any more [18:45] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:45] schestowitz-TR yes, the management is mostly not technical. lol. [18:45] schestowitz-TR this was not always the case. [18:46] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:48] schestowitz-TR "closing a ticket" is not a akill [18:48] schestowitz-TR not a vaulable one anyway [18:48] schestowitz-TR "picking up the phone" is a very basic skills [18:48] schestowitz-TR assurances and solution-finding are not the same [18:48] schestowitz-TR you could get a monkey to read assurances off some script or spin the grmphone [18:48] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:48] Techrights-sec2 script suck [18:48] Techrights-sec2 in many ways [18:49] schestowitz-TR it is a waste of time [18:49] schestowitz-TR to both sides [18:49] schestowitz-TR if you won't make progress, there's no point to it [18:49] schestowitz-TR it's psychological, plabebo [18:49] schestowitz-TR and gives false hope [18:49] schestowitz-TR so it is temporary [18:49] schestowitz-TR you need 1) to know their system [18:49] schestowitz-TR 2) technical skills [18:49] schestowitz-TR otherwise you will wake someone else up [18:50] schestowitz-TR in which case you are not doing your job [18:50] Techrights-sec2 yes it's a time wasting exercise, about the only goal would be to get people to [18:50] Techrights-sec2 hang up so that it can be crossed off the list as a "solved" ticket [18:53] schestowitz-TR or worse -- assigned to someone who works daytime [18:53] schestowitz-TR in which case the 24/7 SLA misses the point [18:53] schestowitz-TR they need solution-finding 24/7 [18:53] schestowitz-TR not somene on the line to open a ticket [18:53] schestowitz-TR I joked last night (pillow-talk) that x cannot even check logs [18:53] schestowitz-TR and y, her ("they") "husband" (without a ***k), is only there in the company [18:53] schestowitz-TR because of the person they live with [18:53] schestowitz-TR the clients cannot tell [18:53] schestowitz-TR because they all have different surnames [18:53] schestowitz-TR and I said it was inapproprirate that on the call they all show up in the same [18:53] schestowitz-TR frame with one webcam [18:53] schestowitz-TR they could at least log in individually, each with another device [18:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:55] schestowitz-TR nepotism is a symptom of all sorts of things [18:55] schestowitz-TR that begets kakistocracy, coverup, infair treatment, lack of skill, harmed morale [18:55] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 17 [19:00] schestowitz-TR when I met rianne what clicked after maybe half an hour when she told me she had studied CS [19:00] schestowitz-TR it was her dad's choice [19:00] schestowitz-TR I spoke to her because she seemed nice [19:00] schestowitz-TR that she had background in computing was a big bonus because she'd be able [19:00] schestowitz-TR to relate to what I dsid [19:00] schestowitz-TR *did [19:00] schestowitz-TR but I did not envision her working in the same company or TM or me teaching her gnu/linux [19:00] schestowitz-TR that happened a very long time later [19:00] schestowitz-TR as for the aforementioned couple, one had a degree in classics and the other has parents [19:00] schestowitz-TR who own a pub [19:00] schestowitz-TR you can compensate for it with hard work [19:00] schestowitz-TR but strong desire cannot put you on the fast track to scripting, debugging etc. [19:00] schestowitz-TR at the party where rianne and I started talking there were other girls [19:00] schestowitz-TR some were dumb and superficial [19:00] schestowitz-TR or promiscuous [19:00] schestowitz-TR instant turnoff [19:01] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:01] Techrights-sec2 excellent [19:01] Techrights-sec2 TM has increased in importance under her tenure [19:01] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:06] schestowitz-TR today's expected very hot day was short lived, became cloudy, now too cold for the door to stay open for much longer [19:08] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:09] schestowitz-TR we can fly people to the moon, cannot forcast the weather reliably for 12 hours [19:11] schestowitz-TR we are, however, good at gunning down almost a whole classroom [19:11] schestowitz-TR just 19 people in over one hour with like 100 magazines [19:11] schestowitz-TR and a fast rifle, high velocity and rate of rounds [19:11] schestowitz-TR I think it's a miracle he killed only 19 [19:11] schestowitz-TR but who am I to talk of it in the terms of computer games? [19:12] Techrights-sec2 sadly some of the frequencies used by 5G impair weather radar and thus [19:12] Techrights-sec2 make the forecasts even more unreliable but you'll get called out as a crank [19:12] Techrights-sec2 whenever even mentioning that fact [19:12] Techrights-sec2 it's going to hurt the east coast of the US badly because it will shorten [19:12] Techrights-sec2 the lead time they get as warning for incoming hurricanes and in some cases [19:12] Techrights-sec2 it will be to short a forwarning to allow for evacuation :( [19:16] schestowitz-TR some forums got ruined by people or trolls who came there, speaking about ufos [19:16] schestowitz-TR with vaccines and 5g and bill gates they still try to associate cirtics witrh cranks [19:16] schestowitz-TR but I think they were met with very limited success [19:16] schestowitz-TR the media is still having a go at iut [19:16] schestowitz-TR same for pedophilia [19:16] schestowitz-TR they try to equate critics with "qanon" and several other dodgy circles [19:16] schestowitz-TR I think these tactgics are very, very old [19:16] schestowitz-TR and they rarely work [19:16] schestowitz-TR as for ufo, that's different because there is no solid basis to it [19:16] Techrights-sec2 or by shills [19:16] Techrights-sec2 or astroturfers faking opposition with strawman arguments [19:16] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:18] schestowitz-TR the forums I was alluding to... that was well over a decade ago, and friend too had witnessed it [19:18] schestowitz-TR it's rather old Internet/Web tactic, we think [19:18] schestowitz-TR wikileaks got its share of moles or provocateurs [19:18] schestowitz-TR they became a liability much later [19:18] schestowitz-TR for different reasons (spying, bigotry, misogyny)... [19:20] Techrights-sec2 I figure that many of the issues have been infiltrated since perhaps two or so [19:20] Techrights-sec2 decades back [19:20] Techrights-sec2 now the wokery is used as a weapon and it has the added advantage in their use [19:20] Techrights-sec2 of it in that it provides no benefit to the afflicted organization [19:21] schestowitz-TR going to brew some coffee [19:21] schestowitz-TR feeling fatigue [19:21] schestowitz-TR and a very unsuitable tiem for a nap (they become long sleep) [19:21] schestowitz-TR I still want o record something and write posts, cannot do it with such low energy levels [19:22] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:39] schestowitz-TR I subscribed to this blog because it covered technical stuff. This past week almost 7 posts about queer stuff, almost 100% of the posts. Now https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/queer-singer-songwriter-criibaby-finds-pride-and-joy-at-the-intersection-of-tech-and-music/ [19:41] schestowitz-TR It's like Mozilla is trying hard to intentionally spoil the Mozilla and Firefox by associating them with divisive political issues, consciously. What next? You cannot use Firefox if you support abortion? [19:42] Techrights-sec2 yes mozilla appears to be actively trying to spoil the brand, in part as [19:42] Techrights-sec2 a distraction from them despoiling what's left of the code base [19:42] schestowitz-TR maybe they will relicense it all as "ethical source" :-) [19:42] schestowitz-TR and be done with it [19:46] schestowitz-TR It is highly doubtful Mozilla actively tries to kill itself -- I never ever claimed that !! -- but that the wrong people were left in positions of power when Gulag sponsors and picks the leadership... that's possible. Then they grab popcorn and see Firefox share going down. [19:46] Techrights-sec2 :/ [19:46] Techrights-sec2 as you already know "ethical source" is a weapon used against FOSS [19:46] Techrights-sec2 dressed up as helping someone somewhere [19:48] schestowitz-TR create a new notion of "ethics" [19:48] schestowitz-TR promote that by obfuscation [19:48] schestowitz-TR sign petitions and stuff [19:48] schestowitz-TR OSI/Open Source did that already [19:48] schestowitz-TR now the latter Trojan Horse tries it on OSI too [19:48] schestowitz-TR it's a chain of co-opting waves [19:48] schestowitz-TR the MEDIA HELPS THEM [19:48] schestowitz-TR that's the key point [19:48] schestowitz-TR why does the media help such people? 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