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schestowitz__> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:08 PM, figosdev <figosdev@protonmail.com> wrote:Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__> Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__>> I learned about an incredibly huge accomplishment of rms today. Something understatedly alluded to (historically) by the FSF. Someone is being modest.Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__>>Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__> Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__>> I'm waiting for permission to quote it. If I can't get that, it could still help with the research I'm doing of already public information. Maybe I'm the only person that thinks this is a big deal, but I think it's a big deal.Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__> Find a way!!!Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__I am planning to do some videos/writings about UNIX history soon. Maybe... if I have what I need. It not an area I am myself very familiar with...Sep 17 00:10
schestowitz__Re: One down.Sep 17 00:29
schestowitz__> https://twitter.com/business/status/1306018345427308544?s=21Sep 17 00:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@business: William Gates Sr., the father of Microsoft's co-founder who helped advise his massive philanthropic efforts, has di… https://t.co/I29c3ISxovSep 17 00:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@business: William Gates Sr., the father of Microsoft's co-founder who helped advise his massive philanthropic efforts, has di… https://t.co/I29c3ISxovSep 17 00:29
schestowitz__I love the top comment there...Sep 17 00:29
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1306282199969275904Sep 17 00:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: I know a guy who's been on an anti-Microsoft hate parade for 12 or more years. His website started out as "Boycott… https://t.co/FH2Q4VzmWLSep 17 00:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: I know a guy who's been on an anti-Microsoft hate parade for 12 or more years. His website started out as "Boycott… https://t.co/FH2Q4VzmWLSep 17 00:31
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schestowitz__I know a guy who's been on an anti-Microsoft hate parade for 12 or more years. His website started out as "Boycott Novell", because Novell was helping an IP lawsuit against Linux at the time or something, I don't even remember. But everything Microsoft does is evil and bad.Sep 17 00:31
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schestowitz__I know a guy who's been on an anti-Microsoft hate parade for 12 or more years. His website started out as "Boycott Novell", because Novell was helping an IP lawsuit against Linux at the time or something, I don't even remember. But everything Microsoft does is evil and bad.Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__6:22 PM · Sep 16, 2020·Twitter for MacSep 17 00:32
schestowitz__"Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__"He's also convinced that all closed source software has been "backdoored" by the NSA, *because* it's closed source and from an American company. That's not how things work, but I was never able to make a dent in his loud insistence that NSA backdoors are lurking in Windows."Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__"Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__I just can't make any headway with people who are convinced for obsessional emotional reasons that certain companies are inherently evil and conspiring against them.Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__But then I realized that the guy in question is just extremely disagreeable and gets joy out of being contrarian.Sep 17 00:32
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schestowitz__You want to know my current litmus test for "disagreeability"? It's how much someone praises Julian Assange.Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__If you're obsessed with Assange's imprisonment, and think it's the worst human rights violation in the world, knowing what sort of man you're defending, I don't like you.Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__"Sep 17 00:32
schestowitz__"Damn Jake calling you out..."Sep 17 00:33
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/2020/02/20/no-back-doors-to-see-here-move-along/Sep 17 00:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Former Microsoft Employees Don’t Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for Spy Agencies) | TechrightsSep 17 00:33
schestowitz__>> 3mins -18 minsSep 17 00:36
schestowitz__>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XvDZLjaCJuwSep 17 00:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | UNIX: Making Computers Easier To Use -- AT&T Archives film from 1982, Bell Laboratories - YouTubeSep 17 00:36
schestowitz__>>Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__>> worthwhile do you think? We're digging into history and BSDs these days...Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__>>Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__> Ok.  In place now as video7.  As usual it will need a new name.  MakeSep 17 00:36
schestowitz__> sure to record the origin somehow and annotate that it from 3:01 t0 18:14.Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__> Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__> Youtube changed the API -- again.  It is a moving target.Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__They always do. It's frustrating. It's good that I typically download what I need from there and put it on external drives.Sep 17 00:36
schestowitz__>> IT Wire is a mess. No Twitter following, no RSS feed, and they neverSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__>> even replied to my E-mail.Sep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> That may be a goal of one of their owners.  It happens from time toSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> time, the first one I noticed it with was BYTE.  Remember BYTE wasSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> prospering before a new owner, CMP, took it over and more or less shutSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> it down almost immediately.  It has kind of happened to Wired, thoughSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> it's not yet shut down.  It appears to have been one of the goals ofSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> whatever bought Slashdot 6 or 7 years ago.  It's not shut down but mightSep 17 00:41
schestowitz__> as well be.  Etc.Sep 17 00:41
schestowitz__Their 'Linux' section promoted Microsoft this week.Sep 17 00:41
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/desakordes/status/1306398388657819649Sep 17 02:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@desakordes: @enelpaisvasco Gates Sr. (padre de Bill), Turner, Soros y Rockefeller (Fotografía de Carnegie).. 👀 👇 https://t.co/aeKsmAOPcrSep 17 02:45
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/brigham_bell/status/1306301734889885698Sep 17 02:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@brigham_bell: @NickHertzogSBN No not too early. Ballmer found out that the Microsoft approach of paying your way out of problems… https://t.co/r0hsmUnsMkSep 17 02:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@brigham_bell: @NickHertzogSBN No not too early. Ballmer found out that the Microsoft approach of paying your way out of problems… https://t.co/r0hsmUnsMkSep 17 02:46
schestowitz__"No not too early. Ballmer found out that the Microsoft approach of paying your way out of problems doesn't succeed in the NBA."Sep 17 02:46
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/ZoltarSpeaks20/status/1306262101351174145Sep 17 02:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ZoltarSpeaks20: @simondolan https://t.co/AkyebrkRSkSep 17 02:48
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/samecowin/status/1306340246058016768Sep 17 02:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samecowin: @borges When you do not respect and appreciate peaceful citizens , you deserve the immigrants who riot and burn… https://t.co/7kWxyalGY7Sep 17 02:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samecowin: @borges When you do not respect and appreciate peaceful citizens , you deserve the immigrants who riot and burn… https://t.co/7kWxyalGY7Sep 17 02:51
schestowitz__|"When you do not respect and appreciate  peaceful citizens  , you  deserve the immigrants who riot and burn your backyards  !"Sep 17 02:51
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/glynco/status/1306178897885749248Sep 17 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynco: @schestowitz You may be interested in @KearnsErinM and @JosephKYoung just published ‘Tortured Logic’ #Torture glor… https://t.co/d2v0WPIc9sSep 17 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynco: @schestowitz You may be interested in @KearnsErinM and @JosephKYoung just published ‘Tortured Logic’ #Torture glor… https://t.co/d2v0WPIc9sSep 17 02:52
schestowitz__"Sep 17 02:52
schestowitz__You may be interested in @KearnsErinMSep 17 02:52
schestowitz__ and @JosephKYoungSep 17 02:52
schestowitz__ just published ‘Tortured Logic’Sep 17 02:52
schestowitz__#Torture glorificationSep 17 02:52
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SagebrushTimes/status/1306177153264836608Sep 17 02:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SagebrushTimes: They used to call it "being burned out of your villages by Bolshevists", but now they call it "climate migration".… https://t.co/wVKqD0ftbcSep 17 02:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SagebrushTimes: They used to call it "being burned out of your villages by Bolshevists", but now they call it "climate migration".… https://t.co/wVKqD0ftbcSep 17 02:53
schestowitz__"Sep 17 02:53
schestowitz__They used to call it "being burned out of your villages by Bolshevists", but now they call it "climate migration".Sep 17 02:53
schestowitz__Climate change being caused by climate change is so palendromatic leftist. Lol.Sep 17 02:53
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/kevinleversee/status/1306166501460774914Sep 17 02:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kevinleversee: @schestowitz noSep 17 02:53
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/creotiv/status/1306157949270855680Sep 17 02:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@creotiv: @schestowitz I think you can find this useful https://t.co/cIQFGS6esu #learnmltodaySep 17 02:53
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/MalliardReport/status/1306143954065338370Sep 17 02:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MalliardReport: @schestowitz Listen to Roger Stone on The Malliard Report https://t.co/XgQDK7FUw8Sep 17 02:53
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/ewancampy/status/1306141051862675456Sep 17 02:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ewancampy: @schestowitz the brutal regime of a a naughty Boston terrier! https://t.co/yjsMKWYPYKSep 17 02:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ewancampy: @schestowitz the brutal regime of a a naughty Boston terrier! https://t.co/yjsMKWYPYKSep 17 02:54
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Peterwyck29/status/1305994585538203650Sep 17 02:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Peterwyck29: @schestowitz Rudimentary research shows u r wrong as usual - companies leaving CA in droves for TX. #stayinurlane #fecklessSep 17 02:54
schestowitz__"Rudimentary research shows u r wrong as usual - companies leaving CA in droves for TX. #stayinurlane #feckless"Sep 17 02:54
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1305925462485590017Sep 17 02:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: Have you seen this @schestowitz the pile of oreo cookies around the cake 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😫😫 https://t.co/Jsdo0odyRhSep 17 02:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AyoBankole: This video that Bill Gate made for to wish Warren Buffet a Happy 90th birthday is the most brilliant birthday messa… https://t.co/NZDaM36BgPSep 17 02:55
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Vmec1980/status/1305909338591186944Sep 17 02:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Vmec1980: @schestowitz Appoints an anti science idiot to a lead position in NOAA which relies on nothing but science! Trumps… https://t.co/YVASXmcjh7Sep 17 02:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Vmec1980: @schestowitz Appoints an anti science idiot to a lead position in NOAA which relies on nothing but science! Trumps… https://t.co/YVASXmcjh7Sep 17 02:55
schestowitz__"Appoints an anti science idiot to a lead position in NOAA which relies on nothing but science!  Trumps is doing everything to win, placing unqualified people in positions to promote his election bid. If millions die, so what "it is what it is". He literally does not give a shit!"Sep 17 02:55
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/DarthSquig/status/1305902880021454848Sep 17 02:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DarthSquig: This makes sense. Britain on its way to become a Pariah state? https://t.co/AKrKqsqDnGSep 17 02:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #CraigMurray #UK #brexit @glynmoody ☞ #BorisJohnson Intended to Break the Withdrawal Agreement Even Befor… https://t.co/2i6W78vsrOSep 17 02:55
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1305876591499714560Sep 17 02:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: interesting and plausible https://t.co/gf3Ky8KPJiSep 17 02:56
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schestowitzRe slashdotSep 17 13:44
schestowitz>> Their 'Linux' section promoted Microsoft this week.Sep 17 13:44
schestowitz>>Sep 17 13:44
schestowitz>>Sep 17 13:44
schestowitz> That's too bad.  Both sites went to trash, Wired more recently, SlashdotSep 17 13:44
schestowitz> quite a few years ago now.Sep 17 13:44
schestowitz> Sep 17 13:44
schestowitz> As for the RSS feeds, scraping is rather easy now with the XpathSep 17 13:44
schestowitz> libraries but still brittle and vulnerable to small changes.Sep 17 13:44
schestowitzThe changes made some days ago were fantastic and already save me minutes each day. Can you think of videos wrote covering or writing about? I'm low on worthwhile topics at the moment...Sep 17 13:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/_william_james_/status/1306533363868667904Sep 17 14:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@_william_james_: he repeats the 'as'-formula, as if it were something that i, along with other pragmatists, had denied LOL @schestowitz #truthSep 17 14:28
schestowitz"Sep 17 14:28
schestowitzhe repeats the 'as'-formula, as if it were something that i, along with other pragmatists, had denied LOL @schestowitzSep 17 14:28
schestowitz #truthSep 17 14:28
schestowitz"Sep 17 14:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/payne_tammi/status/1306519897388855298Sep 17 14:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@payne_tammi: Pay attention America this is next for us. Listen to Barr’s words, that’s the proof. https://t.co/RsBUtnxMaJSep 17 14:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia #Belarus ☞ Belarusian opposition leader Maria #Kolesnikova charged with threatening na… https://t.co/4PzUucUzWSSep 17 14:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/melmeldc/status/1306518096216313856Sep 17 14:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@melmeldc: @kyoag @LMPD @louisvillemayor @louisville @GovAndyBeshear @KentuckyDerby @ACLUofKY @senatemajldr @RandPaul Arrest B… https://t.co/FGS8ZL0UYSSep 17 14:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@melmeldc: @kyoag @LMPD @louisvillemayor @louisville @GovAndyBeshear @KentuckyDerby @ACLUofKY @senatemajldr @RandPaul Arrest B… https://t.co/FGS8ZL0UYSSep 17 14:29
schestowitz"Sep 17 14:29
schestowitz@kyoagSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @LMPDSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @louisvillemayorSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @louisvilleSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @GovAndyBeshearSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @KentuckyDerbySep 17 14:29
schestowitz @ACLUofKYSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @senatemajldrSep 17 14:29
schestowitz @RandPaulSep 17 14:29
schestowitz Arrest Brett Hankison, Myles Cosgrove, Jonathan Mattingly, and Joshua Jaynes for murdering Breonna Taylor. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!Sep 17 14:29
schestowitz"Sep 17 14:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/0Rightonq32/status/1306504046677614593Sep 17 14:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@0Rightonq32: @schestowitz Nothing can stop the Great Awakening. Not even Dr. Roy. #qanonSep 17 14:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1306502202794676225Sep 17 14:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: #kudos to a modern hero https://t.co/vELXus5NBvSep 17 14:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #ChannelNewsAsia #Environment ☞ Death threats, intimidation not a deterrence to scientist's mission to sav… https://t.co/Pn85dvQeUcSep 17 14:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AllendLou/status/1306482924527722498Sep 17 14:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AllendLou: @schestowitz He has no training in biology. Anyone who understands how NCBI's BLAST and GenBank work and explain wh… https://t.co/ke3bsOzfVWSep 17 14:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AllendLou: @schestowitz He has no training in biology. Anyone who understands how NCBI's BLAST and GenBank work and explain wh… https://t.co/ke3bsOzfVWSep 17 14:31
schestowitz"He has no training in biology. Anyone who understands how NCBI's BLAST and GenBank work and explain why he gets those results and how he is misunderstanding. The expect values reported are above the significance threshold."Sep 17 14:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/samecowin/status/1306340246058016768Sep 17 14:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samecowin: @borges When you do not respect and appreciate peaceful citizens , you deserve the immigrants who riot and burn… https://t.co/7kWxyalGY7Sep 17 14:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@samecowin: @borges When you do not respect and appreciate peaceful citizens , you deserve the immigrants who riot and burn… https://t.co/7kWxyalGY7Sep 17 14:32
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schestowitz Re: No name, no detailsSep 17 23:51
schestowitz>> I am planning to do some videos/writings about UNIX history soon. Maybe... if I have what I need. It not an area I am myself very familiar with...Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> That's great! I enjoyed the video with Ritchie and Thompson. Kernighan and Aho (the A and the W from 'awk', Kernighan is also the 'K' in 'K&R c' I believe) are there. He's the one doing the spell checking.Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> There is a wall of PDP minicomputers in the background in one scene. Based on the shape and colour scheme of the toggles I'm thinking PDP-11, maybe even PDP-11/45. I'm not AT ALL expert in this, but I looked at a lot of PDP stuff recently. You can barely make out the toggles , they're roughly on the second column, below the top half of the video.Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> Basically nothing in the new wiki page is copied directly; it's all stuff I use regularly these days, it's all off the top of my head.Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> Sep 17 23:51
schestowitz> I was using awk when I found out seq was not available. Today I was watching a video about the OpenBSD hypervisor, and the guy said something like "for those of you who know seq, jot is..." I'm like: THANKS! Sep 17 23:51
schestowitzRe: Political History of XSep 17 23:52
schestowitz> If you're looking for interesting history, recommended is "PoliticalSep 17 23:52
schestowitz> History of X" by the same Keith Packard quoted in the recent article.Sep 17 23:52
schestowitz> Sep 17 23:52
schestowitz> Packard is the X developer, not the BSD developer. I haven't watched theSep 17 23:52
schestowitz> video yet (I intend to, I'm looking for videos for you) but it promisesSep 17 23:52
schestowitz> (per my watching the first minute) to be interesting in the very firstSep 17 23:52
schestowitz> minute of it-- which is why I'm emailing you this now.Sep 17 23:52
schestowitzWatching it nowSep 17 23:52
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj02_UeUnGQSep 17 23:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | "A Political History of X" - Keith Packard (LCA 2020) - YouTubeSep 17 23:52
schestowitz> Benno Rice talks like he's Jesus to the Pharisees, but he's more likeSep 17 23:57
schestowitz> Paul to Christianity-- great ideas on how to make everything new,Sep 17 23:57
schestowitz> endless apologetics that benefit mostly empire, can quote scripture forSep 17 23:57
schestowitz> his own purposes, and can warp the benefits of anything into some kindSep 17 23:57
schestowitz> of drawback, make way for Progress AT ALL COSTS! Fuck, he's awful. He'sSep 17 23:57
schestowitz> not a developer so much as a very technically-proficient Politician. GodSep 17 23:57
schestowitz> help and save us.Sep 17 23:57
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-IWMbJXoLMSep 17 23:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | "What UNIX Cost Us" - Benno Rice (LCA 2020) - YouTubeSep 17 23:58

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