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schestowitz-TR2what do you make of El Reg?Oct 17 13:47
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schestowitz-TR2El Reg was very good back in its day.  But that ended in 2002 or 2003,Oct 17 14:34
schestowitz-TR2when they signed the partnership with M$.  Then in recent years theyOct 17 14:34
schestowitz-TR2were starting to show signs of partial recovery but of late I really avoidOct 17 14:34
schestowitz-TR2them.  They're not as bad as ZDNet but not worth the effort to look at still.Oct 17 14:34
schestowitz-TR2yes, I can relate. btw, I've just watched https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Hce1SR48f34 to better understand that twitter mob that Pieter Hitjens was complaining about (same one that tries to have a go at GNU and Linux)Oct 17 14:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Dave Chappelle - Daphane Story (The Closer) - InvidiousOct 17 14:35
schestowitz-TR2tl;dr they even kill their ownOct 17 14:36
Techrights-secEl Reg was very good back in its day.  But that ended in 2002 or 2003,Oct 17 14:38
Techrights-secwhen they signed the partnership with M$.  Then in recent years theyOct 17 14:38
Techrights-secwere starting to show signs of partial recovery but of late I really avoidOct 17 14:38
Techrights-secthem.  They're not as bad as ZDNet but not worth the effort to look at still.Oct 17 14:38
Techrights-secyep it's about tearing down, nothing more nothing lessOct 17 14:38
Techrights-secIMO it's all about them finding people or things that can be torn downOct 17 14:38
Techrights-secfor no other reason than it is possible to do so.Oct 17 14:38
schestowitz-TR2rianne: "because they are miserable"Oct 17 14:38
Techrights-secthat too; misery loves company; but if one wants to be thoughtful about them,Oct 17 14:40
Techrights-secit is important to consider that they are just being used as catspawOct 17 14:40
schestowitz-TR2should we do a sort of partial boycott of el reg, wherein the only exception is when they cover Linux (with The Guardian, that too never happens)Oct 17 14:44
schestowitz-TR2side note (not the main issue): months ago they redid theit site in a way that 'spams' Google News by SEO, in effect adding to article portions from other (totally unrelated) articles, so they flood my feedsOct 17 14:45
Techrights-secI'm ok with that.   I already avoid it completely.Oct 17 14:46
schestowitz-TR2to avoid temptation to link I need to figure out a way to not even see itOct 17 14:46
Techrights-secOk.  I checked and I've linked to it a few times in recent years but willOct 17 14:48
Techrights-secignore it now.  Should I add it to my reminder script about bullshit sites?Oct 17 14:48
schestowitz-TR2Sometimes they do good coverage. What I worry about is, they do lots of paid-for SPAM and Microsoft churnalism. Linking to the site fuels the latter.Oct 17 14:48
Techrights-secIf they've become churnalism then the occasional decent story is only Oct 17 14:51
Techrights-secbait in the trap.Oct 17 14:51
schestowitz-TR2same thing in 'tech' republicOct 17 14:51
Techrights-secYes, quite a few do that.  Outside of tech it's common, too.  One of manyOct 17 14:53
Techrights-secwould be The Guardian.  They cover certain topics regularly with care, butOct 17 14:53
Techrights-secthen only use that to attract an audience which they then subject to Oct 17 14:53
Techrights-secpropaganda on certain topics.Oct 17 14:53
schestowitz-TR2That's not common knowledge sadly, maybe I'll mention that in passing some day; all my videos are EPO-focused now, as it's something quite timeless and uniqueOct 17 14:54
Techrights-sec^certain other topicsOct 17 14:54
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Techrights-secEPO and the fight against software patents are where TR is unique for the  Oct 17 14:57
Techrights-secmoment, and probably where the best ROI can be found on effort.Oct 17 14:57
schestowitz-TR2soon shithub too... :-)Oct 17 14:57
Techrights-secGitHub is another problem it was only half bad at first but after it gotOct 17 15:09
Techrights-secbought out / sold out then it is all bad.  I figure it was a defensive        Oct 17 15:09
Techrights-secmaneuver by M$ to also gain surveillance over competitors, but more to Oct 17 15:09
Techrights-secshut them down and control them.  Similar to Mojang.  They'll neverOct 17 15:09
Techrights-secrecover that money but they did shut down a gateway for kids to learn aboutOct 17 15:09
Techrights-secGNU/Linux and the very existence of non-M$ systems.Oct 17 15:09
Techrights-secM$ itself is only about 4/5 of the problem.  On top of what it does itself,Oct 17 15:09
Techrights-secthere is also the fact that various nation states exploit it as a vehicleOct 17 15:09
Techrights-secfor nefarious works.Oct 17 15:09
Techrights-secHence the continued bailouts via "contracts", like JEDI.  Oct 17 15:09
activelowgithub/git succeeded because it offered decent services, and was acquired because of itOct 17 15:49
activelowand that's why probably many won't leave github, and even without an account there most gnu/linux systems pull their sources from, githubOct 17 15:50
activelowat least git is agnostic towards the web service hosterOct 17 15:52
schestowitz-TR2activelow: it's a trapOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2run at a lossOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2to sell CPU powerOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2subsidisedOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2to be a trapOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2that's more of a reason to abandon itOct 17 15:53
activelowgithub is more important than facebook, imoOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2you're riding  a trap if you are thereOct 17 15:53
schestowitz-TR2"ohh, the water is warm here"Oct 17 15:54
schestowitz-TR2then it boiledOct 17 15:54
schestowitz-TR2activelow: both are harmfulOct 17 15:54
activelowat least a git repo can be cloned to anywhere else desiredOct 17 15:54
schestowitz-TR2the word "important" begs the question, "who to?"Oct 17 15:54
schestowitz-TR2activelow: that does not make it benignOct 17 15:54
schestowitz-TR2you could also wget some zip fileOct 17 15:55
schestowitz-TR2under-playing the threat is riskyOct 17 15:55
schestowitz-TR2this is why we'll do a long seriesOct 17 15:55
activelowschestowitz-TR2: i consider the situation worse when subversion/cvs dominated, because their repos couldn't not be clonedOct 17 16:00
schestowitz-TR2maybe but...Oct 17 16:00
schestowitz-TR2we already have other git hostsOct 17 16:00
activelowcould not be cloned, with svn/cvs a server shut down removed the entire project history, not so with gitOct 17 16:00
schestowitz-TR2techrights has that in geminiOct 17 16:00
schestowitz-TR2do you want is downloadable over gemini?Oct 17 16:00
schestowitz-TR2gemini is bad at large filesOct 17 16:01
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activelowschestowitz-TR2: i signed up with github before microsoft acquired it, and i'll terminate the account, yes. but i will do so because i consider the entire tech industry hostile, not only microsoft.Oct 17 16:07
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schestowitz-TR2activelow: you are correctOct 17 16:07
schestowitz-TR2we need to go back to basicsOct 17 16:07
schestowitz-TR2and build it back up properlyOct 17 16:07
schestowitz-TR2like, no DRM in hypertextOct 17 16:07
schestowitz-TR2no 'secure' bootOct 17 16:07
schestowitz-TR2it's YOUR computerOct 17 16:07
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