●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 18, 2023 ●● ● Feb 18 [01:17] schestowitz-pi the full html comes from my script [01:17] schestowitz-pi i'm going to try to identify what code eats the whitespaces and why [01:17] schestowitz-pi my guess is that it is something in perl [01:17] schestowitz-pi where it analyses urls [01:17] schestowitz-pi going to first progress on news-reading till 3am [01:17] schestowitz-pi so far i see mostly good news [01:17] schestowitz-pi germany ratifying upca is noa a shock [01:17] schestowitz-pi it's what comes next that will be interesting [01:17] schestowitz-pi i see more layoffs in companies i strongly dislike [01:36] techrights[sec] Which script? I can look. [01:38] schestowitz-pi there is a chain of scripts running when I call finalise script from dialogue in menu.sh on [01:38] schestowitz-pi my machine 'vonick' [01:38] schestowitz-pi i forgot the order in which it runs, but toc is part of it, and iirc it also pulls the latest camelcase file [01:38] schestowitz-pi from git before it runs the rest [01:38] schestowitz-pi there is the thing that culls empty n [01:39] techrights[sec] something there is eating the whitespace at the end of the line and adding
which seems to be the problem [01:56] schestowitz-pi there is the thing that culls empty nodes in the tree [01:56] schestowitz-pi end of line is not the issue as that's to do with how the rss feeds are formatted [01:56] schestowitz-pi the main issue is, when some text is bolded or linked the spaces [01:56] schestowitz-pi before and after are removed [01:56] schestowitz-pi I've not yet checked it [01:56] schestowitz-pi as I try to gather enough material before the bulletin cutoff [01:56] schestowitz-pi and fell behind yesterday as I did about 5 things in town [01:56] techrights[sec] Is it the culling script? Which part of the chain is eating the spaces? [01:58] schestowitz-pi checking.... [01:58] schestowitz-pi perl ~/Git/Links/links-interleave-social-control-media.pl \ [01:58] schestowitz-pi links-after.html > links-clean.html [01:58] schestowitz-pi i think that _might_ be it ● Feb 18 [02:04] schestowitz-pi wait, maybe it happens before that [02:04] schestowitz-pi grep href links-after.html | grep -v h5 [02:04] schestowitz-pi grep href links-clean.html | grep -v h5 [02:04] schestowitz-pi both lack the space [02:04] schestowitz-pi perl ./links-cull-empty.pl links-clean.html | \ [02:04] schestowitz-pi perl ./links-toc.pl > links-after.html [02:05] techrights[sec] checking [02:07] schestowitz-pi oh i see now with git show [02:07] schestowitz-pi are you ok with me testing this in 30 mins [02:07] schestowitz-pi for the next batch of links? [02:07] schestowitz-pi then i can report the outcome [02:07] techrights[sec] sure [02:09] schestowitz-pi backed up previous version, put new one in place instead [02:09] schestowitz-pi will report soon.... [02:23] schestowitz-TR2 Latest updates: Stanford president under investigation for research misconduct https://stanforddaily.com/2023/02/16/latest-updates-stanford-president-under-investigation-for-research-misconduct/ [02:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stanforddaily.com | Latest updates: Stanford president under investigation for research misconduct [02:25] schestowitz-pi [rant] academia is full of frauds [02:25] schestowitz-pi i cannot tell if [02:25] schestowitz-pi 1) the phenomenon is new [02:25] schestowitz-pi 2) it is old [02:25] schestowitz-pi 3) it is just becoming MORE VISIBLE in the modern age [02:25] schestowitz-pi a fish rots from the head down [02:25] schestowitz-pi it's the same in corporations [02:25] schestowitz-pi propelling to the top a bunch of frauds with plenty to hide [02:25] schestowitz-pi so they bully honest people, whom they try to keep below and out of decision-making [02:25] schestowitz-pi frauds like to hangs out with like-minded people [02:25] schestowitz-pi and they LOVE power [02:28] techrights[sec] I suspect it has gotten much, much worse in recent decades. The poseurs [02:28] techrights[sec] were generally culled and unable to disturb a core. Now the core is gone [02:28] techrights[sec] and those that would have made a core, marginalized. [02:28] schestowitz-pi happens in admin and "research;' [02:28] schestowitz-pi like people who forge results to "get ahead" [02:28] schestowitz-pi and peer review cannot always catch them [02:32] techrights[sec] Admin is the main proble: empire builders, microsofters, and such [02:44] techrightssec peer review has mostly stopped working, and that is part of the problem. [02:44] techrightssec that is mostly caused by the state of academic publishing and the current [02:44] techrightssec business models which have been encouraged to develop over the last half [02:44] techrightssec century [02:44] techrightssec Where the whitspaces preserved [02:44] techrightssec ? [02:44] schestowitz-TR2 it seems to be fixed now! [02:46] techrights[sec] [02:46] techrights[sec] Excellent [02:46] techrights[sec] [02:47] schestowitz-pi i am still adapting, will improve over time [02:47] schestowitz-pi but for now tma nd tr [02:47] schestowitz-pi contain some extra formatting and links aside from the "main" link [02:47] schestowitz-pi and that's a positive step forward [02:47] schestowitz-pi sometimes these links are authoritative [02:47] schestowitz-pi links original pdfs [02:51] schestowitz-pi for example see last item in http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/18/Programming_Leftovers.shtml [02:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [02:51] schestowitz-pi or this: http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/18/Debian_Leftovers.shtml [02:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Debian Leftovers [02:51] schestowitz-pi in TM, the line length limits get eliminated, but not in TR ● Feb 18 [03:04] schestowitz-TR2 TikTok Focused View Promises Emotion Tracking to Advertisers https://www.cpomagazine.com/data-privacy/tiktok-focused-view-promises-emotion-tracking-to-advertisers/ [03:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.cpomagazine.com/data-privacy/tiktok-focused-view-promises-emotion-tracking-to-advertisers/ ) [03:34] techrights[sec] [03:34] techrights[sec] checkin [03:34] techrights[sec] g ● Feb 18 [04:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [04:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:15] schestowitz-TR2 Roblox Reports Nearly $1 Billion Net Loss in 2022 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/02/15/roblox-reports-nearly-1-billion-net-loss-in-2022/ [04:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/02/15/roblox-reports-nearly-1-billion-net-loss-in-2022/ ) [04:47] schestowitz-TR2 The problem is not the burning but the people who react to these https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/02/norway-dispatch-annual-police-threat-assessment-highlights-risk-of-extremism-in-the-wake-of-quran-burnings-elsewhere-in-scandinavia/ [04:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jurist.org | Norway dispatch: annual police threat assessment highlights risk of extremism in the wake of Quran burnings elsewhere in Scandinavia - JURIST - News ● Feb 18 [05:56] *schestowitz-pi has quit (connection closed) [05:56] *techrights[sec] has quit (connection closed) ● Feb 18 [06:03] *schestowitz-pi (~pi@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:04] *tokwe (~tokwe@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:07] *tokwe has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:08] *techrights[sec] (~tokwe@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [07:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Feb 18 [08:07] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:12] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [09:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [12:28] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cbcfptirpkfqa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [13:28] schestowitz-pi i wanted to share something while offline [13:28] schestowitz-pi forgot, but it was not important anyway [13:28] schestowitz-pi meanwhile, in irc there was some trolling [13:28] schestowitz-pi not severe case of trolling [13:28] schestowitz-pi but maybe I should be selective who to reply to [13:28] schestowitz-pi i really would rather post links and such [13:28] schestowitz-pi then all sorts of other possible uses of time [13:28] schestowitz-pi *then [13:28] schestowitz-pi *than [13:28] schestowitz-pi still getting accustomed to a new arrangement of days [13:28] schestowitz-pi and workflow [13:28] schestowitz-pi going to use firefox in a moment [13:28] schestowitz-pi discounts at the local stores for "fresh" foods are getting harder to find [13:28] schestowitz-pi often empty-handed visits [13:28] schestowitz-pi so wholesales will become preferable too, as long as they last... [13:40] techrights[sec] ack [13:41] schestowitz-pi just spoke to relative in yorkshire for an hour [13:41] schestowitz-pi says many more people in streets, some in tents [13:41] schestowitz-pi in centre of town [13:41] schestowitz-pi and it was not like this before [13:41] schestowitz-pi spoke about health and other issues [13:41] schestowitz-pi reached conclusion that living in an island if better than bunker [13:41] schestowitz-pi owing to isolation, distance [13:41] schestowitz-pi but some islands are attracting too much attention now [13:41] schestowitz-pi getting congested and "projects" [13:41] schestowitz-pi after 2020 many homes outside towns, not apartment, rose in "value" [13:41] schestowitz-pi living in overpriced shoeboxes is not so trendy anymore [13:41] schestowitz-pi with frugality and longtime savings we can 'run on empty' for over a decade [13:41] schestowitz-pi and assess the situatio [13:41] schestowitz-pi n [13:57] schestowitz-pi sorry to be talking about rather off-topic matters, back to more relevant powwow, [13:57] schestowitz-pi i wonder how to 'streamline' our two scripts so as to get the html/body and the summary/overview [13:57] schestowitz-pi in one fell swoop [13:58] schestowitz-pi i am going to look at the code later to study overlaps [13:58] schestowitz-pi i think it is a massive improvement to have in-line formatting for blockquote parts in TM and TR [13:58] schestowitz-pi other syndicators lack that, through old-tm does have a syndication component that includes such [13:58] schestowitz-pi bits [13:58] techrights[sec] cat | tidy | de-duplicate.pl ● Feb 18 [14:01] schestowitz-pi btw, engadgetbecame a spamfarm akin to cnet, similar tactics and overlap [14:01] schestowitz-pi zdnet is barely active, looks like editors do 1-2 times a week rota now [14:01] schestowitz-pi so they publish in bursts, then go silent [14:01] schestowitz-pi same cms and company as cnet [14:01] schestowitz-pi when you see full body html it's rather blatant, like URLs 4 lines long all over the place (referrer parts) [14:01] schestowitz-pi it's seo and spamfarming [14:02] techrights[sec] A lot of sites have diminished and/or turned to spammishness. Others have [14:02] techrights[sec] just plain closed down. [14:02] schestowitz-pi indeed [14:03] schestowitz-pi the former category was handed over to 'cleaners' or monetisers [14:03] schestowitz-pi milking what's left and selling the horse to a delicatessen [14:03] techrights[sec] India seems to still have investments in media and journalism, but tech [14:03] techrights[sec] coverage is very, very weak. [14:05] schestowitz-pi be careful, a lot of their english-speaking media reposts the same texts in many domains [14:05] schestowitz-pi and i suspect some of it is composed elsewhere and presented as "original" [14:05] schestowitz-pi if you compare paragraphs you can see they are recycling [14:05] schestowitz-pi but spamnil is miles worse, he's not even editorialising things [14:05] schestowitz-pi he and monika just copy-paste corporate spam [14:05] schestowitz-pi spwmnil is still violating youtube TOS, but fewer videos to click [14:06] techrights[sec] It is difficult to find and follow quality sites. Many appear to be mostly [14:06] techrights[sec] plagiarism. [14:06] techrights[sec] TOS and CoC only apply to opponents of M$ [14:07] schestowitz-pi coc = "professionalism" = submissive to power (oligarchy [14:07] schestowitz-pi that does not mean that coc violators are freedom fighters [14:07] schestowitz-pi many are actual asshole, but risky to generalise [14:07] schestowitz-pi that's how a coc gets sold [14:14] schestowitz-pi a motto for TMis, no need to editorialise news if you can boost the original [14:14] schestowitz-pi and curate what's important [14:14] schestowitz-pi phoronix is considered "blogspam" in reddit [14:14] schestowitz-pi because it can be biased for the originals [14:14] schestowitz-pi and no ads [14:14] schestowitz-pi but if you have nothing original to report, why not link to the developer's platform? [14:14] schestowitz-pi either way, just curation and management of the signal can go a long way [14:14] schestowitz-pi linuxtoday i cannot bear because you must open a ling with js and ads just to open the [14:14] schestowitz-pi original story [14:14] schestowitz-pi and they post very olkd and unimportant stuff, maybe 4 items per day [14:14] schestowitz-pi while missing the actually emergent/breaking/important news [14:14] schestowitz-pi linuxtoday invested way too much time building audience in tw [14:19] techrights[sec] Twitter is and always was a massive waste of time and e [14:21] schestowitz-pi nobody -- least me -- thought it would go down THIS fast [14:21] schestowitz-pi india offices shuttered [14:21] schestowitz-pi funnelled traffic to elonmusk [14:21] schestowitz-pi now worth $44,000,000,000 [14:21] schestowitz-pi not even $44,000,000 [14:21] schestowitz-pi *lest [14:21] schestowitz-pi *not [14:21] schestowitz-pi sorry, still typoing [14:21] schestowitz-pi need to change terminal font [14:24] schestowitz-pi bringing the screen closer too [14:24] schestowitz-pi it's the raspi400 [14:24] schestowitz-pi very weird day today, lots of mumble and experimentation with things [14:24] schestowitz-pi lots of coffee, too [14:32] schestowitz-pi i use the percolator [14:32] schestowitz-pi got some blends at the wholesale market [14:32] schestowitz-pi 2 litres of coffee help suppress appetite [14:32] schestowitz-pi but only about once a week [14:32] schestowitz-pi the rest is tea or protein shakes [14:32] schestowitz-pi we keep finding more protein shakes than we can finish [14:32] schestowitz-pi helps with weight lo [14:35] schestowitz-pi if properly dressed, i can job in the streets on my way to errands [14:35] schestowitz-pi as done yesterday and today [14:35] schestowitz-pi cardio [14:35] schestowitz-pi the consensus today was, many people known to people get sick [14:35] schestowitz-pi some permanently [14:35] schestowitz-pi i got invited to a party but turned it down [14:35] schestowitz-pi too many people [14:35] schestowitz-pi /s/job/jog/ [14:42] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:50] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:51] schestowitz-pi of note: quality of stories in hackaday fell shrply about a year ago when they [14:51] schestowitz-pi changed the editor [14:51] schestowitz-pi but it is still better than some of the equivalent sites, of which [14:52] schestowitz-pi of which there are very [14:53] schestowitz-pi few [14:53] techrights[sec] I stopped reading Hackaday for the most part [14:53] techrights[sec] It still has occasional gems though. ● Feb 18 [15:16] schestowitz-TR2 Working from home attracts people from big cities to the suburbs https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/lifestyle/22976-working-from-home-attracts-people-from-big-cities-to-the-suburbs.html [15:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/lifestyle/22976-working-from-home-attracts-people-from-big-cities-to-the-suburbs.html ) [15:22] *Moocher5254 (~quassel@i7sfqsqsuqk4i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:23] schestowitz-pi today I spoke about living in an island [15:23] schestowitz-pi but the issue that came up was [15:23] schestowitz-pi too many tourists [15:23] schestowitz-pi and industrialisationm [15:23] schestowitz-pi so what you root for today can change profoundly over time [15:23] schestowitz-pi serene places won't stay that way if they get "discovered" [15:32] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Feb 18 [18:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mtbzms9232f2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [19:06] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@5fveh3x5t6gbe.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [20:59] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Feb 18 [21:53] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-38h.9di.ql58tb.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 18 [22:20] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6genp7raa9gh8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:22] *Mio14 has quit (Connection closed) [22:23] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-gj4.hf0.k9nair.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [22:49] schestowitz-TR2 Internal review found falsified data in Stanford Presidents Alzheimers research, colleagues allege https://stanforddaily.com/2023/02/17/internal-review-found-falsified-data-in-stanford-presidents-alzheimers-research-colleagues-allege/ [22:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stanforddaily.com | Review found falsified data in Stanford Presidents research, colleagues allege [22:54] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Feb 18 [23:35] schestowitz-pi it would take very strong evidence to prove there were special intents and forces trying [23:35] schestowitz-pi to drive mycroft out of the market for privacy reasons [23:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left 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