●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 ●● ● May 18 [02:05] *schestowitz_log has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:18] *schestowitz_log (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 18 [04:53] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:53] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 18 [06:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:48] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 18 [07:16] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:24] schestowitz-TR trolling in IRC can be a symptom of attempts to undermine [07:24] schestowitz-TR if one considers the "hit and run" trolls [07:38] schestowitz-TR i added and changed some stuff in git last night [07:38] schestowitz-TR I see you're just changed 3 files as well [07:38] schestowitz-TR the views is less cluttered now [07:38] schestowitz-TR it polls every 10 mins, not 5 now [07:38] schestowitz-TR as the scrollback is limited and I want to see a wider time range [07:38] schestowitz-TR 27k requests in gemini:// yesterday [07:38] schestowitz-TR someone accused me of paid "paid" to promote Gemini Corp. ;-) [07:38] Techrights-sec ack [07:40] Techrights-sec yes [07:41] schestowitz-TR SSH Corporations pays people to write books about openssh ;-) [07:41] schestowitz-TR *Corporation [07:41] schestowitz-TR such a thing does exist, afaik [07:41] schestowitz-TR or similar [07:41] Techrights-sec I hope Gemini sorts out the large file transmission problem [07:42] schestowitz-TR there is also a company called PGP or GPG IIRC [07:42] schestowitz-TR but those typically just ride the brand of the programs [07:43] schestowitz-TR and have no real connection to them [07:43] Techrights-sec LOL [07:43] Techrights-sec so that there is active competition in the market? [07:43] Techrights-sec like M$ floating apple back in the day, or like how Google keeps Mozilla [07:43] Techrights-sec on a short leash? ● May 18 [08:20] schestowitz-TR Press "Active 6 months". Diaspora is going away. https://the-federation.info/diaspora [08:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-the-federation.info | the federation - a statistics hub [08:20] schestowitz-TR not many people even work on it anymore [08:20] schestowitz-TR I quoted some new comments in IRC after midnight (today) [08:20] schestowitz-TR ina sense I am happy [08:20] schestowitz-TR because maybe we can make a compelling case for hosting from homes [08:20] schestowitz-TR gemini fits the bil [08:20] schestowitz-TR but some politicians would then pass "Bills" [08:20] schestowitz-TR something about "shooter" and "hate" [08:34] Techrights-sec yes it ultimately comes down to the ability to self-host and the tools behind [08:34] Techrights-sec diaspora are just too heavy and too complex to bother with. People could [08:34] Techrights-sec technically run their own instance but there aren't really any situations where [08:34] Techrights-sec it is worth the effort. There needs to be massive simplification rather [08:34] Techrights-sec that what has actually happened. [08:34] schestowitz-TR techrights homedir has a residue of me running (experimenting with) our own instance of diaspora [08:34] schestowitz-TR that was a very long time ago (old version, too) [08:34] schestowitz-TR the complexity of it and the system reqs (not just deps but also disk space, ram etc.) make [08:34] schestowitz-TR it sadism to even bother with [08:34] schestowitz-TR esp. for very small instances [08:34] schestowitz-TR is aral balkan still at it? [08:34] schestowitz-TR does he bother? [08:34] schestowitz-TR DT and DeVault pulled the plug [08:34] schestowitz-TR not only on themselves but people who relied on their instance [08:35] Techrights-sec WordPress is another example of complexity expanding until it reaches the [08:35] Techrights-sec limit the market will tolerate [08:35] Techrights-sec not sure; yes: https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral [08:35] Techrights-sec though for him one of the returns is making a point, plus he [08:35] Techrights-sec does javascript for a living so it is a somewhat smaller burden and [08:35] Techrights-sec most likely less unpleasant; few actually like javascript but maybe [08:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ar.al (@aral@mastodon.ar.al) - Arals Mastodon [08:35] Techrights-sec he is one; that aside, he mostly has good points to note about reducing [08:35] Techrights-sec complexity [08:39] schestowitz-TR a) need to make point about gemini HAVING a REAL userbase [08:39] schestowitz-TR b) make it less daunting to dabble in (but not GUI complexity either) [08:39] schestowitz-TR c) make it look big, hence Planet [08:39] schestowitz-TR d) promote by linking to it [08:39] schestowitz-TR of course we have self-interest in that too, as early adopters ● May 18 [09:11] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [09:11] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:13] *schestowitz (~roy@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:13] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [09:13] *schestowitz (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [09:18] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/?sh=79ce89edd36f [09:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | It Smells Like Marketing Not Journalism When Almost 100% of the Articles From Jason Evangelho, Senior Contributor at Forbes, Are About the Same Topic | Techrights [09:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.forbes.com | Jason Evangelho - The Game Technician [09:18] schestowitz mind the dates [09:18] Techrights-sec which program for the calendar? [09:19] schestowitz-TR the one xfce comes with... let me check... [09:19] schestowitz-TR "Xfce Dictionary" [09:29] Techrights-sec So it looks like Evangelho sold out [09:29] Techrights-sec or was extorted [09:30] Techrights-sec ack [09:30] schestowitz-TR Topics needed, we go shopping for food around midday (on bike), but I'm off work until 1am [09:31] schestowitz-TR news very slow today [09:33] schestowitz-TR "I have replaced my Wordpress site, pretty as it was, with a Gemini capsule." gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/gemini-capsule.gmi [09:37] Techrights-sec gemini is quit good for 90% of publishing tasks IMHO however the major [09:37] Techrights-sec distros still lack a variety of clients in the default repositories [09:43] schestowitz-TR "Lately I've grown concerned with how social media affects me. In particular, modern social media, where the content you see is determined algorithmically, has become worrisome to me. I've come to believe it's a drag on my mental, emotional, and intellectual health..." gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/digital-hygiene.gmi [09:47] schestowitz-TR gustaf erikson has just become back to irc [09:47] schestowitz-TR i think someone in techpol put him off months ago [09:47] schestowitz-TR you know who ● May 18 [10:05] Techrights-sec ack [10:06] schestowitz-TR mailing lists that anybody can post to are more difficult than IRC [10:06] schestowitz-TR at least with IRC moderation in real time is possible [10:06] schestowitz-TR having said that, italo made a rather problematic statement for TDF [10:10] Techrights-sec what did Italo say now? [10:12] schestowitz-TR he said it 2 months ago in the official blog [10:12] schestowitz-TR I saw nothing since [10:12] schestowitz-TR Italo = OSI, anti-RMS letter, Microsoft HQ photo op [10:13] schestowitz https://techrights.org/2020/08/23/libreitalia-and-tdf/ [10:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Leak: An Unreported Rift Inside The Document Foundation (TDF) | Techrights [10:32] Techrights-sec ah [10:32] Techrights-sec ack [10:33] schestowitz-TR all in all, italo seems like a good man in rather toxic circle of influence [10:33] schestowitz-TR but I know some people who strongly dislike or distrust him [10:33] schestowitz-TR libo is a "target" for heckling and disruption [10:33] schestowitz-TR I don't need to tell you why :-) [10:41] schestowitz-TR Going drupal.org: "Access to this page has been denied. You have been blocked because we believe you are using automation tools to browse the website." Errr. NO!! I use my RSS reader!! [10:41] Techrights-sec ack [10:41] schestowitz-TR it seems to demand [10:41] schestowitz-TR 1) cookies [10:41] schestowitz-TR 2) JS [10:41] schestowitz-TR World Wide Dead [10:54] Techrights-sec https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-site-blocking-is-making-its-way-into-free-trade-agreements-220508/ [10:54] Techrights-sec also see the above old link for info on additional restrictions [10:54] Techrights-sec relevant to the UK [10:54] Techrights-sec but probably everywhere else as well due to 'harmonization' [10:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Pirate Site Blocking is Making its Way Into Free Trade Agreements * TorrentFreak [10:56] schestowitz-TR TorrentFreak cannot be accessed or rendered without Gulag. They need to rethink how they make/made their Web site... [10:57] schestowitz-TR the lingering concern is that they will start with unauthorised streams [10:57] schestowitz-TR and then broaden the brush [10:57] schestowitz-TR or say that anything not centralised COULD violate copyrights [10:58] schestowitz-TR even if it does not [10:58] schestowitz-TR so we need to stand with the "pirates" [10:58] schestowitz-TR then they will use terrorists [10:58] schestowitz-TR and pedos [10:58] schestowitz-TR for cover [10:59] schestowitz-TR The BillBC, which covers up for Jeffrey Epstein's underage sex ring (like it did Jimmy Savile), has the audacity to associate privacy with "pedos". Who's paying you, BBC? Oh yeah.... Bill. ● May 18 [11:02] Techrights-sec that appears to be their goal, based on things going back to before "DVD Jon" [11:02] Techrights-sec note that vouching for your own certificates is more or less blocked by [11:02] Techrights-sec both browsers and various encryption libraries now [11:02] Techrights-sec ack [11:05] schestowitz-TR I did not tell you this days ago [11:05] schestowitz-TR but schestowitz.com moved to https [11:05] schestowitz-TR only because for some strange, strange reason [11:05] schestowitz-TR all the wordpress blogs there (about 5-6 of them) suddenly redirecated everything internally to https [11:05] schestowitz-TR which is very strange [11:05] schestowitz-TR rather than find the cause and undo [11:05] schestowitz-TR I just gave up and added https [11:05] schestowitz-TR LE, obviously... [11:05] schestowitz-TR the sinister LF is controlling this [11:05] schestowitz-TR the same CFO who let in 2019 [11:05] schestowitz-TR *lefgt [11:05] schestowitz-TR *left [11:05] schestowitz-TR in effect, they make "OUTSOURCING TO AMERICA" a PART OF THE STANDARD [11:05] schestowitz-TR or the PROTOCOL [11:05] schestowitz-TR NOT US? [11:05] schestowitz-TR Not compliant? [11:05] schestowitz-TR Russia? Terrorussia. [11:05] schestowitz-TR The political angle of it would cloud the importance of the underlying logic. [11:05] schestowitz-TR Startcom/startTLS = China [11:05] schestowitz-TR hence "bad [11:05] schestowitz-TR China = the place where the only thing we permit is weatshops [11:05] schestowitz-TR to increase our profits [11:05] Techrights-sec ack [11:05] schestowitz-TR there are people online who actively mock these arguments [11:05] schestowitz-TR even comparing that ti 'antivaxx" [11:05] Techrights-sec ack [11:06] schestowitz-TR this helps dicourage them [11:06] schestowitz-TR fear of being dubbed a "crank" [11:06] schestowitz-TR or "dangerous" (like both Google browsers say... maybe Firefox 101 will add a COVID caricature to those pages) [11:08] schestowitz-TR fwiw, the vaccine analogy is of use on the thin surfacve [11:08] schestowitz-TR they keep saying "get vaccinated" (https) [11:08] schestowitz-TR and if you don't, they keep putting up the pressure [11:08] schestowitz-TR while mocking you [11:08] schestowitz-TR then blocking entry [11:08] schestowitz-TR until you comply [11:08] schestowitz-TR "it's not compusary!" [11:08] schestowitz-TR "but your life is getting hard, does it not?" [11:11] schestowitz-TR one remedial approach, I think, [11:11] schestowitz-TR is to keep putting the flashlight on LF [11:11] schestowitz-TR like last night when I showed its "security" and "open source" doc [11:11] schestowitz-TR was in fact made on/by Gulag [11:11] Techrights-sec yes [11:11] schestowitz-TR not "open source" [11:11] schestowitz-TR sooner or later fewer people will take these zemlins seriously [11:28] Techrights-sec though a institution to fill the role of Linux advocate is needed, not [11:28] Techrights-sec the current activity of representing corporate members in development [11:28] Techrights-sec furthermore WTF is with Zemlin extracting more in salary that Torvalds himself [11:28] Techrights-sec and Zemlin not only doesn't even code he doesn't even run Linux [11:28] Techrights-sec (yes, you've covered that before) [11:28] Techrights-sec ack [11:28] schestowitz-TR he cannot explain what LE does :-D [11:28] schestowitz-TR "but my grnadma something something [11:28] schestowitz-TR I checked those claims BTW [11:28] schestowitz-TR he lies [11:28] schestowitz-TR like he does about speaking Japanese [11:28] schestowitz-TR he was maybe a on-eyear exchange student [11:28] schestowitz-TR movie: "so, say something in mandarin" [11:28] schestowitz-TR "hee hau..." [11:28] schestowitz-TR "that's it?" [11:28] schestowitz-TR zemlin spouse: likely associate of Facebook's Sandbag (Berg) [11:39] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@e8535m8c62yte.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:40] schestowitz-TR https://cache.legacy.net/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2014-02/2014-02-09/81323531.jpg [11:40] schestowitz-TR https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/2014/05/family_and_friends_unite_on_th.html [11:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Family and friends unite on the starting line of the Borgess 5K to honor the life of Dr. Sadananda Goud - mlive.com [11:40] schestowitz-TR I think that's her dad [11:40] schestowitz-TR https://drewaltizer.com/event/10510-sfcasa-casa-fostering-change-gala-light-shines-here/photo/3589430-cecily_chudacoff-sheela_z [11:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewaltizer.com | Cecily Chudacoff with Sheela Zemlin [11:40] schestowitz-TR emlin [11:40] schestowitz-TR career climbers [11:40] schestowitz-TR lying is white lying [11:41] schestowitz-TR "Bakkt has been making a number of moves toward the end of 2021 and recently went public after a SPAC merger in mid-October. Ba [11:41] schestowitz-TR kkt also partnered with Google the week prior to the public listing. Last month, Bakkt revealed the company was planning to pro [11:41] schestowitz-TR vide ethereum (ETH) services. This is an incredible opportunity to provide Manasquan Bank clients with an entry point to adopt [11:41] schestowitz-TR cryptocurrency as an additional asset option, Sheela Zemlin, the chief revenue officer at Bakkt remarked about the partnershi [11:41] schestowitz-TR p with Manasquan Bank." [11:41] schestowitz-TR https://jackofalltechs.com/2021/12/21/mutual-bank-in-new-jersey-to-give-customers-the-ability-to-buy-sell-and-hold-cryptocurren [11:41] schestowitz-TR cy/ [11:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Mutual Bank in New Jersey to Give Customers the Ability to Buy, Sell and Hold Cryptocurrency - JackOfAllTechs.com [11:44] schestowitz sandberg, goud/zemlin https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhcsanfrancisco.clubs.harvard.edu%2Fimages.html%3Ffile_id%3DkutnVmC6cyE%253D&psig=AOvVaw33EtuC6zYO3DMnPPew8QU6&ust=1652956989748000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAoQjhxqFwoTCJjylubu6PcCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD [11:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.google.com | Redirect Notice [11:45] schestowitz https://sheelazemlin.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/hello-world/ [11:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sheelazemlin.wordpress.com | Hello online world! | Sheela Goud Zemlin's Blog [11:45] schestowitz "Strategist, Business Developer, General Manager, Wife and Mother. Specialize in online content and media; B2B software to SMB and enterprise" ● May 18 [12:00] schestowitz-TR draft [12:00] schestowitz-TR fast! [12:00] schestowitz-TR g2g in a min [12:00] Techrights-sec ack [12:00] Techrights-sec re:draft -- the connection to "puppies" needs to be mentioned in a few words [12:01] schestowitz-TR a) it's in the quote [12:01] schestowitz-TR b) there is a URL with the source and context [12:01] schestowitz-TR I am trying to use humour to lessen the impression of stalking [12:01] schestowitz-TR like bringing home the bacon insted of who wears the pants [12:01] schestowitz-TR bbl [12:01] Techrights-sec ack [12:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● May 18 [13:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 18 [14:38] schestowitz-TR netflix layoffs [14:38] schestowitz-TR companies do not lay off unless things are really, really bad [14:38] schestowitz-TR and even then thery try to hide mit [14:38] schestowitz-TR it [14:43] schestowitz-TR Killing off Clownflare (losses), Spotify (swinging back to losses), and Netflix (layoffs) would be a MAJOR accomplishment in the fight for the Open Web and against DRM [14:44] Techrights-sec yes, things must be dire there [14:47] schestowitz-TR rianne has begun surveying jobs one can do from home [14:47] schestowitz-TR she has her cv in latex, but it's a decade out of date [14:48] schestowitz-TR with NOX at reduced hours we won't stick around until the boat is at the bottom of the ocean [14:48] Techrights-sec ack [14:48] schestowitz-TR the milking does not yield as much milk starting July [14:48] schestowitz-TR we do not have enough to retire [14:48] schestowitz-TR not even with inheritance factored in [14:48] schestowitz-TR estonia inflation almost 20% in one year [14:48] schestowitz-TR I published the graph yesterdat [14:48] schestowitz-TR chart rather or table [14:51] schestowitz-TR when the "economy" runs out of steam it'll eat its own [14:52] schestowitz-TR savers' accounts [14:52] schestowitz-TR not to mention the poor people can barely buy food or pay rent [14:52] schestowitz-TR what will they do? "sell sex"? [14:52] schestowitz-TR British paper this week: FIND A JOB THAT PAYS MORE! [14:53] Techrights-sec ack [14:53] Techrights-sec yes, unrealistic advice since business have more or less stopped paying honest [14:53] Techrights-sec wages for essential work [14:53] Techrights-sec A cleaner ought to be able to at least live on the salary from their job [14:53] schestowitz-TR no, a cleaner needs a job that pays MOAR, according to papers owned by [14:53] schestowitz-TR billionaires [14:56] schestowitz-TR sys admins need to study the source code of anything thewy get from microsoft npm [14:56] schestowitz-TR and from microsoft github [14:56] schestowitz-TR microsoft is understaffed [14:56] schestowitz-TR they cannot study what shit they're shipping to people [14:56] schestowitz-TR biden needs to send another $22,000 MILLION [14:56] schestowitz-TR maybe then they can hired auditors [14:56] schestowitz-TR not to audio code [14:56] schestowitz-TR to fake the financial results better [14:56] schestowitz-TR and dodge SE auditors [14:57] Techrights-sec more bailouts are probably on the way, since many agencies are probably [14:57] Techrights-sec dependent on the backdoors which M$ provides both on purpose, accidentallym [14:57] Techrights-sec and incidentally [14:57] Techrights-sec bugdoors top the list I woud presume ● May 18 [15:01] schestowitz-TR No, Linux Foundation (LF) does not speak for "Open Source" and for "Linux". It speaks for Facebook, VMware, Microsoft etc. https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/announcing-the-world-of-open-source-2022-europe-spotlight-survey/ http://techrights.org/2022/05/16/lf-misrepresentation/ [15:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxfoundation.org | Announcing the World of Open Source: 2022 Europe Spotlight Survey - Linux Foundation [15:01] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- linuxfoundation.org | Announcing the World of Open Source: 2022 Europe Spotlight Survey - Linux Foundation [15:01] schestowitz-TR techrights.org | Linux Foundation Does Not Speak for GNU/Linux Users | Techrights [15:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Does Not Speak for GNU/Linux Users | Techrights [15:01] schestowitz-TR Linux Foundation (LF) is fast becoming little more than a pest and leech borrowed -- by money -- by enemies of Linux to discredit, badmouth, undermine Linux [15:04] Techrights-sec it has become a pest and LT should take his trademarks and walk [15:04] Techrights-sec before he is way too old [15:04] schestowitz-TR he seems too old to walk [15:04] schestowitz-TR I don't feel TOO guilty showing the quad comparison [15:04] schestowitz-TR that looks morbid [15:04] Techrights-sec ack [15:06] schestowitz-TR poor diet + lack of walking [15:06] schestowitz-TR I doubt there is a disease associated with that, only Facebook "is a disease" [15:06] schestowitz-TR we've just cycled, finished 6 buns on the geese on the way back [15:06] schestowitz-TR about 120 geese and other birds [15:06] schestowitz-TR many chicks this time of year [15:06] schestowitz-TR the important point us, use the whole body [15:06] Techrights-sec grains are healthier for them, by a long shot [15:08] schestowitz-TR that's why we give such a tiny amount per goose [15:08] schestowitz-TR and make up by quantity of geese [15:08] schestowitz-TR there are some people or parents with kids that give full loaves to just a few of them [15:08] schestowitz-TR and that can damage their appetite and development [15:10] Techrights-sec http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6301715.stm [15:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.bbc.co.uk | BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | The Holy Grail of foie gras? [15:14] schestowitz-TR we would not eat them [15:14] schestowitz-TR I saw some videos I almost regret seeing [15:14] schestowitz-TR but are important to see [15:14] schestowitz-TR in "trigger warning" generation maybe you're be sent to the firing line for posting [15:14] schestowitz-TR "offensive" videos [15:14] schestowitz-TR we would not eat them [15:14] schestowitz-TR I saw some videos I almost regret seeing [15:15] schestowitz-TR but are important to see [15:15] schestowitz-TR in "trigger warning" generation maybe you're be sent to the firing line for posting [15:15] schestowitz-TR "offensive" videos [15:17] Techrights-sec https://recipes.howstuffworks.com/foie-gras.htm [15:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-recipes.howstuffworks.com | What Is Foie Gras, and Why Is It Being Banned? | HowStuffWorks [15:18] schestowitz-TR they should be seen as friends or pets, not ingredients [15:18] schestowitz-TR I'm still not 100% vegetarian (rianne is), but getting there... [15:18] schestowitz-TR no milk, eggs or meat purchased today [15:18] schestowitz-TR mostly fruit and veg [15:18] schestowitz-TR (and grain) [15:18] Techrights-sec yes [15:18] Techrights-sec be sure to calibrate the diet to avoid deficiencies or excesses [15:19] schestowitz-TR still got 15-20 bags of cheese in the fridge, we finish about 2 per day [15:24] schestowitz-TR the moral issue then it (vegan complex), the cows that make the milk are later killed [15:24] schestowitz-TR so it's part of the "chain" [15:24] schestowitz-TR tbh, my day started on the right foot seeing the netflix news [15:24] schestowitz-TR I still have a ton of spare time for articles [15:24] schestowitz-TR just need ideas of IMPORTANT things to cover [15:24] schestowitz-TR "nleson haha" about netflix would be pointless [15:24] schestowitz-TR unless I know something that the media is not reporting [15:24] schestowitz-TR twitter is let to rot, based on the link you sent this morning [15:24] schestowitz-TR I was about to comment here in ytalk, but you already saw that regardless [15:24] schestowitz-TR when FB is down twitter is also down [15:24] schestowitz-TR because th shareholders make deductions [15:25] schestowitz-TR I get a TON of deja vu re Microsoft, Yahoo! and Icahn [15:25] schestowitz-TR if you consider the chain of events from KSA, Musk, and Twitter [15:25] Techrights-sec it was a bit of good news, or at least some indication of one thing heading t [15:25] Techrights-sec the right direction [15:25] Techrights-sec The large percentage of bots and fake accounts might come to light as a side [15:25] Techrights-sec effect of Musk's games, whatever he is up to. [15:25] Techrights-sec yes much of the game might be simple about driving the price per share to [15:25] Techrights-sec as low as he can, eithe for his direcct gain or in exchange for something [15:25] Techrights-sec elsewhere [15:27] schestowitz-TR like with Yahoo! [15:27] schestowitz-TR you also drive away users [15:27] schestowitz-TR (like saying "Trump is coming back!) [15:27] schestowitz-TR drive away STAFF [15:27] schestowitz-TR and drive away shareholders to lower the price, over time [15:27] schestowitz-TR and play hard to get [15:27] schestowitz-TR get the management blamed for not selling sooner [15:27] schestowitz-TR Yahoo! kept changing managers [15:32] Techrights-sec Icahn destroyed Yahoo for M$, especially the FOSS components [15:35] schestowitz-TR there was another point I wanted to make but forgot along the way [15:35] schestowitz-TR because it brings back so many memories [15:35] schestowitz-TR I also forgot the name of the 'original' Yahoo CEO (not Yang) who was confronted with this attack [15:35] schestowitz-TR either way, it's just IRC [15:35] schestowitz-TR and not an exhaustive list of similarities [15:36] schestowitz-TR I had some sympathies for Yahoo! [15:36] schestowitz-TR I even had a geocities site back then [15:36] schestowitz-TR for twitter I have no remorse [15:36] schestowitz-TR though I have nearly a million "tweets" there [15:36] schestowitz-TR Musk is likely advised by someone (or ones) who mastered this modus operandi [15:36] schestowitz-TR lots of free publiucity [15:36] schestowitz-TR pumping and dumping [15:36] schestowitz-TR ruining the company [15:36] schestowitz-TR they stopped hiring [15:36] schestowitz-TR the whole company is in limbo [15:36] schestowitz-TR this can take a year [15:36] schestowitz-TR meanthile it loses value, fast... [15:36] schestowitz-TR Microsoft turned Yahoo! into software patents troll fodder [15:36] schestowitz-TR there was another point I wanted to make but forgot along the way [15:36] schestowitz-TR because it brings back so many memories [15:36] schestowitz-TR I also forgot the name of the 'original' Yahoo CEO (not Yang) who was confronted with this attack [15:36] schestowitz-TR either way, it's just IRC [15:36] Techrights-sec like with Nokia, in some ways [15:36] schestowitz-TR and not an exhaustive list of similarities [15:36] schestowitz-TR I had some sympathies for Yahoo! [15:36] schestowitz-TR I even had a geocities site back then [15:36] schestowitz-TR for twitter I have no remorse [15:36] schestowitz-TR though I have nearly a million "tweets" there [15:36] schestowitz-TR Musk is likely advised by someone (or ones) who mastered this modus operandi [15:36] schestowitz-TR lots of free publiucity [15:36] schestowitz-TR pumping and dumping [15:36] schestowitz-TR ruining the company [15:36] schestowitz-TR they stopped hiring [15:36] schestowitz-TR the whole company is in limbo [15:36] schestowitz-TR this can take a year [15:36] schestowitz-TR meanthile it loses value, fast... [15:36] schestowitz-TR Microsoft turned Yahoo! into software patents troll fodder [15:37] schestowitz-TR I also mentioned similarities to Nokia [15:37] schestowitz-TR but this one is more like Yahoo! than Nokia [15:37] schestowitz-TR inc. the mole inhouse [15:43] schestowitz-TR "The RSS reader is my solution to the infinite algorithmic feed problem. Using an RSS reader allows me to create a finite feed, populated only by the newest content from sources I have specifically chosen to receive updates from." gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/digital-hygiene.gmi [15:45] schestowitz-TR it's only 3:44 and already we served more than 20k pages in gemini since midnight [15:45] schestowitz-TR I didn't bother study who, why.. [15:45] schestowitz-TR but it's good to see increased activity and more unique IPs over time [15:46] schestowitz-TR sooner or later companies with their "brand managers" will realise they have a "blind spot" [15:46] schestowitz-TR for their perception management and reputation "gurus" [15:46] schestowitz-TR a spot where conde nasty and wikipedia manipulators have no away [15:46] schestowitz-TR *sway [15:54] schestowitz-TR apropos - my stress levels decreased since abandoning social control media [15:54] schestowitz-TR happiness up [15:54] schestowitz-TR cfocus up sharply [15:54] schestowitz-TR too multi-0dimentaional a thinking (notifiucations) and multitasking just ruins everything [15:54] schestowitz-TR and lowers the capacity to be productive [15:54] schestowitz-TR streamlining is better [15:54] schestowitz-TR social control media is not compatible with it [15:54] schestowitz-TR and the topics are all over the place like a roller coaster [15:54] schestowitz-TR social control media got optimied to be "brain hack" [15:54] schestowitz-TR how to mess with the head [15:54] schestowitz-TR for "engagement" [15:54] schestowitz-TR infinite scroll addiction [15:54] schestowitz-TR fomo [15:54] schestowitz-TR insecurity [15:54] schestowitz-TR anger eagerness to respond [15:55] schestowitz-TR "likes" for gamification [15:55] schestowitz-TR false impression of... impressions (a false feel of popularity) [15:55] schestowitz-TR I don't do FB, but I guess it's bigger there [15:55] schestowitz-TR feeds the ego/id [15:55] Techrights-sec yes that is a common benefit of leaving social control media [15:55] Techrights-sec it exists mostly becuase it can cultivate OCD behavior to drive "engagement" [15:55] Techrights-sec instead of communication [15:55] Techrights-sec and *very* few understand the filtering mechanism even if it is obvious and [15:55] Techrights-sec in front of their noses [15:57] schestowitz-TR the creeping effect or the saverity that increases over time helpd the denial [15:57] schestowitz-TR it's wrong to assume th platform one joined in 2009 (me) is the same it is in 2022 [15:57] schestowitz-TR it changed profoundly [15:57] schestowitz-TR little by little [15:57] schestowitz-TR now it demands JS too [15:57] schestowitz-TR and it cannot be read over IRC using the API [15:57] schestowitz-TR they killed it in 2018 [15:57] Techrights-sec correct, it is no longer a web site but an application misusing the browser [15:57] Techrights-sec as a virtual machine environment ● May 18 [16:00] schestowitz-TR I do not do "phones" or "apps" [16:00] schestowitz-TR but I did android dev a decade ago [16:00] schestowitz-TR my understanding is that since then a lot of mobile "dev" is just a [16:00] schestowitz-TR bunch of "Web" or "JS" frameworks [16:00] schestowitz-TR and vice verse [16:01] schestowitz-TR it is a two-way street [16:01] schestowitz-TR so no real, native, proper applications get developd [16:01] schestowitz-TR which might explain why phones last so short a timer [16:01] schestowitz-TR both the lifetime of a phone [16:01] schestowitz-TR and battery life [16:01] Techrights-sec ack [16:01] schestowitz-TR the software demands a lot of power [16:01] schestowitz-TR the hardware is demanding [16:01] schestowitz-TR a palm pda does so much more for elss power [16:01] schestowitz-TR motorola thunderball [16:01] schestowitz-TR literally about 100 times slower (I guess) [16:40] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [16:41] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 18 [18:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [18:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:11] psydruid Android doesn't have much choice in terms of web browsers [18:12] schestowitz-TR not anymore? [18:12] schestowitz-TR for us, it seems like many browsers are based on the same codebase [18:12] psydruid Firefox is the only one that kind of works and it's buggy and slow [18:12] schestowitz-TR there are really just two "big" browsers left [18:12] schestowitz-TR gecko is the less popular of the two [18:12] schestowitz-TR as many webmasters don't test for it [18:13] psydruid Chrome isn't something you want to use as it doesn't have adblock [18:14] schestowitz-TR I wonder what the gemini clients on android are like [18:14] schestowitz-TR there's at least one I know of [18:15] schestowitz-TR I only tried many desktop clients [18:15] psydruid Deedum ● May 18 [19:00] *schestowitz_log__ is now known as schestowitz_TR2 ● May 18 [20:14] schestowitz-TR [20:09] Proprietary software is a threat to national security https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/18/cisa-issues-emergency-directive-and-releases-advisory-related http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware [20:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | CISA Issues Emergency Directive and Releases Advisory Related to VMware Vulnerabilities | CISA [20:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | VMware - Techrights [20:15] schestowitz-TR but the linux!!!! -vmware [20:16] psydroid2 isn't vmware mainly for vista server these days [20:16] psydroid2 and with vista in decline vmware is also in decline [20:20] schestowitz-TR given Friedman's exit from Microsoft ('GitHub') I very much doubt there is any justification for piling [20:20] schestowitz-TR on his spouse [20:20] schestowitz-TR it would be unnecessary even if somewhat wrranted [20:20] schestowitz-TR I don't suppose he will be back to positions of significant power [20:20] schestowitz-TR so I've decided we never need to dig in that direction anymore [20:20] schestowitz-TR but who knows... [20:20] schestowitz-TR maybe in the distant future... [20:21] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: vmware is obsolete [20:21] schestowitz-TR because other hypervisors caught up [20:21] schestowitz-TR and vmware is just some brand from 2 decades ago [20:21] schestowitz-TR they tried to reinvent themselves [20:21] schestowitz-TR they even did DCs ("clown") at one point [20:21] schestowitz-TR then shut the whole thing down [20:22] schestowitz-TR when we worked with the NHS we migrated all of their VMs away from vmware [20:22] schestowitz-TR to a local host [20:22] psydroid2 Proxmox? [20:22] psydroid2 or not even that? [20:22] schestowitz-TR I used it a lot [20:23] schestowitz-TR in 2011 [20:23] schestowitz-TR or 2012 [20:23] schestowitz-TR it can do front end for kvm [20:23] schestowitz-TR and maybe other backup 'tech' [20:23] schestowitz-TR there's also virt-manager [20:23] schestowitz-TR lots of options now [20:23] schestowitz-TR vsphere is just a shitty brand [20:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@7x8snfm4r58h8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:23] schestowitz-TR and usually managed from some backdoored Vista desktop [20:24] schestowitz-TR or desktop with the word "SERVER" slapped onto it [20:24] psydroid2 that was one of the worst parts [20:24] schestowitz-TR complete with media player, solitaire etc. [20:24] psydroid2 at some point you could only manage it from vista [20:24] psydroid2 which is ridiculous [20:24] schestowitz-TR because you want to play games and listen to music on a production servet ;-) [20:24] Techrights-sec ack [20:25] schestowitz-TR lots of LF spam today [20:25] schestowitz-TR Linux Foundation is spamming legitimate sites to promote a diploma mill. This is not helping Linux! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164995#comment-33720 [20:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Misdirection and Spam | Tux Machines [20:26] schestowitz-TR BTW, on the call last week the CEO mentioned LPI and LF diploma [20:26] schestowitz-TR I didn't laugh out loud, only inside [20:26] schestowitz-TR the camera was on [20:27] psydroid2 I still get nightmwares from the prometheus thing [20:28] psydroid2 not because I used it, but because this guy in Dublin (Brian Brazil) would give the same presentation wherever he went [20:28] schestowitz-TR sounds like today's "academia" [20:28] schestowitz-TR one of the worse part is lecturing [20:28] schestowitz-TR the worst is marking up exams [20:28] schestowitz-TR the thing the scholars want to do is research and papers [20:29] schestowitz-TR and reading [20:30] schestowitz-TR work is not fun [20:30] schestowitz-TR jobs are no fun [20:30] schestowitz-TR some are less unfun [sic] [20:30] schestowitz-TR and: [20:30] schestowitz-TR over time the jobs become less fun [20:30] schestowitz-TR as a function of how much exploitation they can get away with [20:30] schestowitz-TR before you resign [20:30] schestowitz-TR "hand in a notice" [20:30] psydroid2 and do what then? [20:31] schestowitz-TR in tough economic conditions and with kids and mortgages more people can be exploited [20:31] schestowitz-TR they cannot afford to lose their job [20:31] psydroid2 all IT jobs suck nowadays [20:31] schestowitz-TR yeah [20:31] schestowitz-TR clown smart hey hi [20:31] schestowitz-TR and clown diplomas [20:31] schestowitz-TR "memorise this gui" [20:31] schestowitz-TR do online exam with microhone and camera on [20:31] schestowitz-TR don't forget, you use Windows, RIGHT? RIGHT? [20:32] schestowitz-TR rianne is checking jobs this week [20:32] schestowitz-TR because we plan to resign soon [20:32] schestowitz-TR or lower the hours [20:32] schestowitz-TR my employer is becoming shittier each year [20:32] psydroid2 if you are asked to sell out, you should at least be paid well [20:33] schestowitz-TR it's not even that [20:33] schestowitz-TR I might publish more details soon [20:33] schestowitz-TR but I already said a lot in this channel [20:34] schestowitz-TR without people's named and brand names [20:34] schestowitz-TR I do have "techsss skillz.. [20:34] schestowitz-TR But uploading shit to "clown" is not using my skills [20:34] schestowitz-TR it's an insult to the company's name [20:34] schestowitz-TR we used to have high-calibre stuff [20:34] schestowitz-TR *and staff [20:34] psydroid2 maybe the skilled staff have all left [20:34] schestowitz-TR not we have staff with degree in CLASSICS! [20:34] schestowitz-TR yeah, they have [20:35] schestowitz-TR we are a zombie brand [20:35] schestowitz-TR like vmware :-) [20:35] schestowitz-TR like netflix [20:35] psydroid2 :) [20:35] schestowitz-TR except those companies still pay well [20:35] schestowitz-TR as you say, the jobs out there are not too nice [20:35] schestowitz-TR and the requirements are laughable [20:36] schestowitz-TR enough to put you off [20:36] schestowitz-TR I can do a multi-year hiatus to focus on techrights [20:36] schestowitz-TR but would rather have some employment continuation [20:36] schestowitz-TR so I might go part time [20:36] schestowitz-TR seems even companies that call themselves "open source" are not [20:36] schestowitz-TR (anymore) [20:36] schestowitz-TR Red Hat is one [20:37] psydroid2 I'm thinking I should finally get a (remote) job this summer and keep working with hardware design and embedded software [20:37] schestowitz-TR Oliva (LXO) left fast [20:37] schestowitz-TR ours is doing all sorts of clown shit [20:37] schestowitz-TR the media is a lying sack of s***t [20:37] schestowitz-TR they say things like [20:37] schestowitz-TR "great resignation" [20:37] schestowitz-TR high salaries [20:37] psydroid2 I think Red Hat saw an opportunity a long time ago, but kept boiling the frog and eventually turned into what it is now under IBM [20:37] schestowitz-TR many openings [20:37] schestowitz-TR home working [20:37] schestowitz-TR people get all cushy [20:38] schestowitz-TR this is a fictional write-up style [20:38] schestowitz-TR they're told what to write [20:38] schestowitz-TR to encourage young people to still study CS [20:38] schestowitz-TR and to blame the victims [20:38] schestowitz-TR ewvebn universities have becomg training facilitiees [20:38] psydroid2 does the IT industry need so many people in the future? [20:38] schestowitz-TR they don't teach [20:38] psydroid2 maybe to drive salaries down [20:38] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: depends where [20:38] schestowitz-TR they never say it out loud [20:39] schestowitz-TR IBM fires its vetarans [20:39] schestowitz-TR then moans about talent shortage [20:39] schestowitz-TR calling the vicitms "dinobabies" [20:39] schestowitz-TR they want to hire on the cheap [20:39] schestowitz-TR one client of ours hired in Yerevan [20:39] schestowitz-TR for a Web site resign [20:39] schestowitz-TR redesign [20:39] schestowitz-TR I can imagine how much they pay [20:39] schestowitz-TR and NOC was outsourced to southeat Asia [20:40] schestowitz-TR so the issue is not a lack of talent [20:40] schestowitz-TR but a lack of capital [20:40] schestowitz-TR or greed, wanting to increase net profits [20:41] schestowitz-TR no wonder so many young and sometimes old people look at get-rich-fast schemes [20:41] psydroid2 it's becoming harder to differentiate your skills in this market [20:41] schestowitz-TR it's the only chance they have [20:41] psydroid2 yes [20:41] schestowitz-TR and prices of homes rise faster than they can save up [20:41] schestowitz-TR so it's like a runaway train [20:41] schestowitz-TR that's why they buy fakecoin [20:41] schestowitz-TR btw, sheelva zemlin works in a fakecoin company [20:41] schestowitz-TR microsoft's fakecoin [20:41] schestowitz-TR maybe I'll write about it one dayu [20:42] schestowitz-TR [20:41] it's becoming harder to differentiate your skills in this market [20:42] schestowitz-TR hey, I can set up our own server [20:42] schestowitz-TR save us $10,000 a year [20:42] schestowitz-TR boss: no, no, the clown is the thing [20:42] schestowitz-TR "we cannot be hobbyists" [20:42] schestowitz-TR to them, tech-skilled people are hobbyists [20:42] schestowitz-TR oursourcing = professional [20:42] schestowitz-TR never mind legality aspects [20:43] schestowitz-TR which I keep raising [20:43] schestowitz-TR to deaf ears [20:43] schestowitz-TR they just panic when they hear it [20:43] schestowitz-TR like a whistleblower attempting to air concerns internally [20:43] schestowitz-TR oh, wait, you gotta hear this [20:43] schestowitz-TR this week they sent out presentation slides [20:44] schestowitz-TR they make this massive org chart [20:44] schestowitz-TR with like 30 leafs in it [20:44] schestowitz-TR roles or teams [20:44] schestowitz-TR we're a company of only about 10 people now [20:44] schestowitz-TR they're faking it [20:44] schestowitz-TR and the site is out of date, half the people listed there no longer work with us [20:44] schestowitz-TR most left, not sacked [20:45] schestowitz-TR BTW [20:45] schestowitz-TR if you want to work for Linux Foundation [20:45] schestowitz-TR and you use Linux [20:45] schestowitz-TR beware [20:45] schestowitz-TR you might need to use something else :-) [20:45] psydroid2 :) [20:45] schestowitz-TR it would be nice if someone took some photos inside their office [20:46] psydroid2 it's one big farce [20:46] schestowitz-TR but that person would get caugh and bollocked [20:46] psydroid2 I had macos installed in qemu for a year or so to see how it was different from gnu/linux [20:46] psydroid2 not only was it slower and buggier, it was just harder to get code compiled for [20:47] psydroid2 it's better than vista from a developer point of view, but not reliable enough for my needs [20:48] schestowitz-TR what was the software for? [20:48] psydroid2 but most of those people like the ones who work at the Linux Foundation like shiny things [20:48] schestowitz-TR like target platform? [20:48] schestowitz-TR server? [20:48] schestowitz-TR web? [20:48] schestowitz-TR tech? game? [20:48] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: they like "shiny" things because they get no real work done [20:48] schestowitz-TR they just make powerpoint slides [20:48] schestowitz-TR and phonecalls [20:48] psydroid2 no, my raytracing project from university [20:48] schestowitz-TR and writing press releases [20:49] schestowitz-TR and doing "CoC" processes [20:49] psydroid2 it used something called std::filesystem that is buggy on macos [20:49] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: did you do your own tracing? [20:49] schestowitz-TR I did some opengl and povray 20+ years ago [20:49] psydroid2 I wrote large parts of the code, yes [20:49] psydroid2 but it was a group project [20:49] schestowitz-TR right now their strategt [20:49] schestowitz-TR apple,microsoft etc. [20:50] schestowitz-TR is to detabilise us [20:50] schestowitz-TR like stevge jobs trying to recruit torvalds [20:50] schestowitz-TR with the conditipon [20:50] schestowitz-TR you MUST STOP developing Linux [20:50] schestowitz-TR now the LF does similar shit [20:50] schestowitz-TR because now they fight [20:50] schestowitz-TR then we win [20:50] schestowitz-TR they kill many orgs in the process [20:50] psydroid2 they are essentially fighting all of free software [20:50] psydroid2 by EEE'ing it [20:50] schestowitz-TR to make things more shitty than 10 years ago [20:51] psydroid2 this does look like the "final solution" from you know where [20:51] schestowitz-TR well, final solution is a poor analogy [20:51] schestowitz-TR the final soluiton was about executing the internment camps' inhibitants [20:51] schestowitz-TR to save food etc. [20:51] schestowitz-TR or just because of hate [20:51] schestowitz-TR in the case of Microsoft EEE [20:52] schestowitz-TR a better analogy would be '"infiltrate and burn down everything" [20:52] psydroid2 it's not just Microsoft this time [20:52] schestowitz-TR mjg is in #techrights not because he finds it interesting [20:52] psydroid2 it's Microsoft and all of their friends [20:52] schestowitz-TR it's a class thing [20:52] schestowitz-TR brands help identify the moles [20:53] schestowitz-TR past employment, kinship, friends [20:57] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● May 18 [21:00] *rianne_ (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:00] *asusbox (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:02] schestowitz-TR sorry, my laptop there ran out of power [21:03] schestowitz-TR it's showing a sign of its age [21:03] schestowitz-TR some mechanical faults [21:03] schestowitz-TR anyway, the last few standing to fight the so-called 'coup' [21:03] schestowitz-TR (I don't fancy using such a word) [21:03] schestowitz-TR can harness the power of the remaining hacker culture/community [21:03] schestowitz-TR but we need to add more young people to it [21:03] schestowitz-TR to keep up the resistance [21:04] schestowitz-TR oh, it crashed again [21:04] schestowitz-TR not sure a battery issue [21:06] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:06] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:09] schestowitz-TR maybe ssd damage... [21:11] psydroid2 this one also has some erratic behaviour with the screen going blank, so I have to reboot it sometimes [21:11] psydroid2 but I'm running bookworm/sid here, so I expect some breakage [21:11] schestowitz-TR ok, now I am quite sure it's the power supply [21:11] schestowitz-TR it's very sensitive at the socket [21:11] psydroid2 it's just much faster than bullseye for some reason [21:12] schestowitz-TR I need to babysit two laptops to make sure they're on socket and not battery [21:12] schestowitz-TR at least I can assure myself it's not dead, just attention-demanding [21:13] schestowitz-TR if I quit my job, I'll change my arrangement around here [21:16] schestowitz-TR OK, I think I got this figured out now, but the age of the laptop (2016) means it's not worth purchasing an alternate charger [21:16] schestowitz-TR the battery life isn't great either [21:17] schestowitz-TR on minimal brightness it can last no more than 3 hours idle [21:21] schestowitz-TR I thought that my monitor was having issues, with lumens up and down [21:21] schestowitz-TR turns out it's power management when the socket is in and out [21:21] schestowitz-TR so it's a symptom of me going to battery... and a warning [21:22] *rianne_ (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:22] *asusbox (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 18 [22:45] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● May 18 [23:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell