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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> FSF wrote only 1 blog post in the past 16 days. It is this one :/ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/gnu-press/beat-the-heat-with-gnu-summer-swagJun 18 04:26
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> I think FSF wastes far too much time on social control media (it could blog instead), which is disposable and a poor outlet for outreach. To me, their use of Twitter sends a confusing message...Jun 18 04:28
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Jimmy Savile's protectors, who now take bribes from Bill Gates to cover up what he did with Jeffrey Esptein, use Microsoft shill "Rob Enderle" as an "expert". BBC is corrupt beyond repair. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/busin<techrights-news> Jimmy Savile's protectors, who now take bribes from Bill Gates to cover up what he did with Jeffrey Esptein, use Microsoft shill "Rob Enderle" as an "expert". BBC is corrupt beyond Jun 18 04:57
schestowitz-TRrepair. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61742884ess-61742884Jun 18 04:57
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schestowitz-TRi think activelow is back with a new nymJun 18 08:34
schestowitz-TRbut I am not sureJun 18 08:34
schestowitz-TRI will know for wusre when he says "of cause!"Jun 18 08:34
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 08:34
Techrights-sec2are there any groups following and/or fighting M$ misrepresentation of Jun 18 08:41
Techrights-sec2topics inside Wikipedia or the Wikimedia universe in general?Jun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRgood question, but nothing I know of Jun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRyou won't like me saying it, but the problem is much more vast than MicrosoftJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRand wikipedia interference is not limited to the private sectorJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRI've grown unhappy esp. when it comes to nonscience articlesJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRor political subjectsJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRyou don't get the full picture at allJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TReven the rerefrences are accordinfgly biasedJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRand OSI says remove the references that are "homophobic" (they're not)Jun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRso I basically assume wikipedia will stagnateJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRvictim of its own perceived importantceJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRrussia/putin already blocks itJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRat least partlyJun 18 08:41
schestowitz-TRrather than try to "fix it"Jun 18 08:42
schestowitz-TRwhich would not work because we known  who owns and controls wikipediaJun 18 08:42
schestowitz-TRit's a platform control and centraliusation issue, same for twitter and SandbergBookJun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2Oh, I understand that, and I have questions about the viability of Wikipedia's Jun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2very nature, but since it's there, it has to be dealt with one way or another.Jun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2There are no non-political subjects these days.Jun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2especially in regards to technology since computers are about control:Jun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2either people control their computers or their computers control themJun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2and there are many monied interests that are attracted to the power thatJun 18 08:42
Techrights-sec2would be concentrated in their hands as fewer systems control more peopleJun 18 08:42
schestowitz-TRthat is trueJun 18 08:43
schestowitz-TRyou put it succinctly enoughJun 18 08:43
schestowitz-TRshould we do an article to that effect, with focus on wikipedia?Jun 18 08:43
Techrights-sec2ok      Jun 18 08:44
Techrights-sec2the above is mostly just a paraphrase of what RMS has said many timesJun 18 08:44
Techrights-sec2perhaps there is a relevant page from his writings that could be quotedJun 18 08:44
schestowitz-TRI think it would be better not to name wikipedia or microsoftJun 18 08:45
schestowitz-TRexcepot as examplesJun 18 08:45
schestowitz-TRbut to focus on the underlying problem and maybe the InternetJun 18 08:45
schestowitz-TRI work for a very dumb company (as in, management) and they will never "get" itJun 18 08:45
schestowitz-TRyou mention RMS writings Jun 18 08:46
schestowitz-TRon this particular topic, like misinformation, I don't think he wrote much nor does he specialise (nor do we)Jun 18 08:46
schestowitz-TRbut on this topic a better authority might be that mozorov (guessing the name, cannot remember) from eastern europeJun 18 08:46
schestowitz-TRwho wrote about misuse of tech by authocratsJun 18 08:46
Techrights-sec2he wrote a lot about who should control the computerJun 18 08:47
Techrights-sec2that goes back to even his GNU Manifesto daysJun 18 08:47
schestowitz-TRwikipedia (or similar) are less about conrol of the computerJun 18 08:48
schestowitz-TRbuit control over information and its disseminationJun 18 08:48
schestowitz-TRrelated issue, but not the sameJun 18 08:48
schestowitz-TRyou could download wikipedia and edit it locallyJun 18 08:48
schestowitz-TRthat would still not tackle the issue of the upstream "project" distributing revisionismJun 18 08:48
Techrights-sec2rightJun 18 08:49
schestowitz-TRwikileaks = originally a wikiJun 18 08:51
schestowitz-TRthen editorially controlledJun 18 08:51
schestowitz-TRwith some drupal aat the core, IIRCJun 18 08:51
schestowitz-TRwikileaks = we have raw information, let's collaborate on interpretatioin and disseminationJun 18 08:51
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 08:51
schestowitz-TRgovernments did not have edit privs like in wikipediaJun 18 08:51
schestowitz-TRthe cloest they could get is molesJun 18 08:51
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> BBC, bribed by Jeffrey Epstein's enabler Bill Gates and run by Microsoft UK, uses the Microsoft lobbying term "big tech" ☛ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61817647Jun 18 09:46
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Microsoft: let's stop talking about crimes of corporations and instead about the size of corporations ("big tech"). Also Microsoft: people don't dislike Microsoft because of Microsoft's crime and corruption, they just envy is size and "success"Jun 18 09:46
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 10:12
Techrights-sec2notice how every last article about MSIE glossed over the anti-competiveJun 18 10:12
Techrights-sec2practices with which it is inexorably intertwined with, along with the pointsJun 18 10:12
Techrights-sec2brought up by Ryan in the guest post about it not really being removed.Jun 18 10:12
Techrights-sec2It looks like the narrative they are trying to cultivate is that M$ has Jun 18 10:12
Techrights-sec2moved on and turned a new leaf or some such utter bullshitJun 18 10:12
schestowitz-TRthjey also cultivate enderle as [buzzword] expertJun 18 10:14
schestowitz-TRthe media when bribed is not journalismJun 18 10:14
Techrights-sec2yes they try to pretend that; he is just another say-for-pay M$ shill andJun 18 10:15
Techrights-sec2one of the more dyed-in-the-wool forms of shill at thatJun 18 10:15
Techrights-sec2IIRC he had officially retired several times alreadyJun 18 10:15
Techrights-sec2stenography and press releases are not journalismJun 18 10:15
Techrights-sec2nor are M$ talkin pointsJun 18 10:15
schestowitz-TRMS Jack does semm to have retrired for goodJun 18 10:16
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Assange helped show what's wrong with social control media (he borrowed this term from me!). It was weaponised against him by making up totally bogus scandals or inciting online mobs/groups (tribalism) against him, based on fabrication, giving many people different reasons to hate a man who helped expose corruption and war crimesJun 18 10:20
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 10:27
Techrights-sec2s/reasons/false reasons/Jun 18 10:27
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Michigan ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/17/michigan-starts-dismantling-its-forfeiture-reforms-to-make-it-easier-to-steal-cash-from-people-at-airports/ | Source: TechdirtJun 18 13:36
schestowitz-TRjust went out for exerciseJun 18 13:37
schestowitz-TRabout 1.5 hours walkJun 18 13:37
schestowitz-TRcame back with ~20 kgJun 18 13:37
schestowitz-TRinc. new large aquarium for the fishJun 18 13:37
Techrights-sec2niceJun 18 13:37
Techrights-sec2how many liters in size?Jun 18 13:37
schestowitz-TRalmost 20Jun 18 13:38
schestowitz-TRwith filtersJun 18 13:38
schestowitz-TRglass exteriorJun 18 13:38
schestowitz-TRthe older tank can be used for tratmentJun 18 13:38
schestowitz-TRthe fish are smallJun 18 13:38
Techrights-sec2larger are easier to maintain, their more stable but you have some experienceJun 18 13:38
Techrights-sec2with fish nowJun 18 13:38
Techrights-sec2^they'reJun 18 13:38
schestowitz-TRhow the idea came about is is own storytJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRthe excuse was an anniversaryJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRbut there's more to itJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRI was not happy with the pet storeJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRwent to another large chainJun 18 13:40
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRthe pet store puts some fancy fish in little prisonsJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRand some of them look deadJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRI cannot forgive them for it , it is unnecessarily cruelJun 18 13:40
schestowitz-TRprior to the loss of wifi on the pi (kernel issue; that's also why the throttling script stopped working afaik)Jun 18 13:43
schestowitz-TRthe lights on the pi gave them some entertainmentJun 18 13:43
schestowitz-TRdepending on the traffic LOL!Jun 18 13:43
schestowitz-TRthe lights still workJun 18 13:43
schestowitz-TRbut they are near the router with a wired connectionJun 18 13:43
Techrights-sec2that's strange about the wifi on the RPiJun 18 13:43
Techrights-sec2:)Jun 18 13:43
schestowitz-TRthebackstory is Jun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRa) I had extra time (just the wikipedia article to do tolday)Jun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRb) wanted to "take a hiuke" walk)Jun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRwhile upstairs I thought of rianne feeding fish in the canalJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRd) when feeding the fish I saw signes of aging in the 10-year-old tankJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TR3) they turn one soon, in retrospectJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRso taking some of these combined, I decided to do a little traip with shopping as a perkJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRdidn't imagine it would be so heavy, expected not to sweat at allJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TR16 degrees outsideJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRat some point the OS on the pi will work as expecdted againJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRI'm sure it's the kernelJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRthen I can use it for lighting up the fishJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRand maybe write a better pgoram for themJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRwith a  24hr programJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRnot based on cron jobs like TR bulletins ;)Jun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRmaybe at one point I can solder in the button and do a reminder mechanism for feedingJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRa colleague of mine did something like this fJun 18 13:48
schestowitz-TRfish tank alertsJun 18 13:48
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 13:48
Techrights-sec2I have not clue as to the cause there.Jun 18 13:48
Techrights-sec2can control lights directly from the GPIO with this:Jun 18 13:49
Techrights-sec2https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/Shields/PWR-SWITCH/Jun 18 13:49
Techrights-sec2oh, wait, that's for the EU plugs.  never mindJun 18 13:49
schestowitz-TRthe plan is, wait for kernel-raspberrypiJun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRor whatever it is called Jun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRnot linux-imageJun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRthen try to rebootJun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRand see what version if runningJun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRshouuld be 5.15+Jun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRnot 5.10 Jun 18 13:50
schestowitz-TRto be fair, it failed gracefully enough to at least boot something, so it still runs, but in a more limited modeJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRwindows would probably be infinite booting loopJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRi.e. brickedJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRunless you rebuild the whole thing from scratchJun 18 13:55
Techrights-sec2https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-relay-boardJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRI know a new kernel can boot OK on that physical machineJun 18 13:55
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRbecause it worked OK off of the USB cloneJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRbut those are slow to bootJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRboth on rianne's and mineJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TReven on the blue portJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRinstalling some wifi updates on the pi nowJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRnonfree firmwareJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRbut I am waiting for a full kernel updateJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRbefore rebootingJun 18 13:55
schestowitz-TRwhich causes downtimeJun 18 13:56
schestowitz-TRand takes me off the top of the Lupa "list"Jun 18 13:56
schestowitz-TRfor ~2 weeksJun 18 13:56
Techrights-sec2downtime is important to avoid, but it is very unclear what is causing it thereJun 18 13:56
schestowitz-TRwhen booting with a monitor attached I do see some alerts related to kernelJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRtoo fast for me to readJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRand I don't think I can pauseJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRmaybe I can run dmesgJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRbut either way it uses an old kernelJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRolder than what's on the cloneJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRor rianne's piJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRit is possible some upgrade packages like iptables expect an equally new kernelJun 18 13:58
schestowitz-TRbut it is not thereJun 18 13:58
Techrights-sec2iptables is replaced with nftablesJun 18 13:59
schestowitz-TRyes, iptables is tentatively dumped alreadyJun 18 14:00
schestowitz-TRbut some compatibility layer was in place, I thinkJun 18 14:00
schestowitz-TReverything worked OK before the full system updateJun 18 14:00
schestowitz-TRfollowed by the outage, which merely forced a belated rebootJun 18 14:00
Techrights-sec2hmmJun 18 14:09
schestowitz-TRwe've just discussed where to put the tank and whenJun 18 14:14
schestowitz-TRI do want them to get the lights backJun 18 14:14
schestowitz-TRwhen mr. schneider or whatshisname updates the piJun 18 14:14
schestowitz-TRfixing the kernel bitsJun 18 14:14
schestowitz-TRnot adding packages.microsoft.com covertlyJun 18 14:14
Techrights-sec2let's hope that there is no more sabotage from M$, but they do need to clearJun 18 14:15
Techrights-sec2house especially on the board of directors and remove the saboteurs directlkyJun 18 14:15
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TechrightsBNHello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.77Jun 18 14:25
schestowitz-TRwhat software do you use to make thew charts for measures?Jun 18 14:27
Techrights-sec2gnuplotJun 18 14:27
Techrights-sec2it can be made prettier but I have not spent time in that direction yetJun 18 14:27
schestowitz-TRokJun 18 14:28
schestowitz-TRI used to do scruipting with imagemagickJun 18 14:28
schestowitz-TRyou can do very complex ooperations thereJun 18 14:28
schestowitz-TRalso gimp from CLIJun 18 14:28
Techrights-sec2yes imagemagick is quite good but for rather other purposesJun 18 14:28
Techrights-sec2gimp scripts nicelyJun 18 14:28
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schestowitz-TRseems like even automount for external drive isn't quite there with the current kernelJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRI will wait for a newer kernel to come inJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRI cannot force that or compile one without risk greater issuesJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRin the past it automounted as I recall itJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRI would only umount it when done before unpluggingJun 18 15:00
Techrights-sec2that can be set in /etc/fstab maybe but with a lot of different settings thanJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRyes, I checked fstabJun 18 15:00
Techrights-sec2for the 'normal' system drivesJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRbuit would rather not mess aboutJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRit was not necessary beforeJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRfor no I do backups over sshJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRnot to external drive or a cloneJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRI don't want to clone a system in such a stateJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRonly its pertinent /home  filesJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRin theory I could even revert back to the latest clone and then copy in /homeJun 18 15:00
schestowitz-TRbut would rather not spend time doing thatJun 18 15:00
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 15:07
schestowitz-TRcheced backupJun 18 15:08
schestowitz-TRit's complete nowJun 18 15:08
schestowitz-TRI'll get the pi working as before, one way or anotherJun 18 15:08
schestowitz-TRbut thr safe wayJun 18 15:08
Techrights-sec2ackJun 18 15:08
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schestowitz-TRjust did a one-hour video on wikipediaJun 18 20:21
schestowitz-TRafter a little biy of dodka tbhJun 18 20:21
schestowitz-TRbut just a littlkeJun 18 20:21
schestowitz-TRno, not enough to cause typosJun 18 20:22
schestowitz-TRI have lots of typos where when I am sober a swllJun 18 20:22
schestowitz-TR*wellJun 18 20:22
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> This IPFS video admits it's "affiliate link", basically spam for "unstoppable domains" . Fails to actually show what IPFS does and how it works, mostly promotes this rather edge company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GERBV2Bv-A4Jun 18 23:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=GERBV2Bv-A4Jun 18 23:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | The Future Internet - InvidiousJun 18 23:33
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schestowitz-TRhttps://nitter.it/ZacharyEndrulat/status/1538189138297503744#mJun 18 23:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Zachary Endrulat (@ZacharyEndrulat): "This is Foss now http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/"|nitter.itJun 18 23:44
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