●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 18, 2022 ●● ● Aug 18 [00:24] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [00:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 18 [01:19] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 18 [03:01] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [03:02] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [03:02] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [03:02] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [03:02] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:02] *rianne__ (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:03] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:03] *libertybox__ (~schestowitz_log@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:03] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [03:03] *acer-box (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [03:03] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:03] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:03] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:03] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:03] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:03] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:04] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-l6u3hi.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:07] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:15] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 18 [06:00] acer-box rant: 2.5 hours ago bt rebooted the router after it had remoately sent an update the night before [06:00] acer-box I didn't check last night if there was a firmware upate [06:00] acer-box first time since April IIRC [06:00] acer-box anyway, 2.5 hours of gemini downtime alone with various other annoyances [06:00] acer-box but at least that did not happen during the most important cron jobs [06:00] acer-box so all in all recovery did not take long, [06:00] acer-box maostly had to reconnect to sessions and rerun some monitoring tasks [06:00] acer-box BT can do this again at any timew [06:00] acer-box without alerting us ● Aug 18 [08:04] Techrights-sec ack [08:07] acer-box asny router that requies downtime or patching means IP address changes and such [08:07] acer-box so I think the issue right now is, assuming no more electric outages, isn't a UPS [08:07] acer-box or another router [08:07] acer-box unless there's some magic one that alwayys works perfectly and never needs patching [08:07] acer-box techrightss was again listed as 10k in lupa (first time sincer thew outage), not it's at 9955 due to it [08:07] acer-box of course lupa doesn't mean s*** but that's just a reminder that for 2.5 hours when I was afk nobody could reach [08:07] acer-box the capsule [08:07] acer-box my fault was ignoring rianne's warningh, who said she could not reach the address [08:07] acer-box I was just too tired [08:07] acer-box she uses this address to save her files too [08:07] acer-box I've meanwhile resumed ipfs on the pi [08:07] acer-box I want to see if running it actually worsens access to objects [08:08] Techrights-sec one work-around is to use ddclient to assign an A name via a dynamic DNS service [08:08] Techrights-sec and then have gemini.techrights.org be a CNAME which points to the A name [08:08] Techrights-sec ack [08:08] Techrights-sec https://ddclient.net/ [08:08] Techrights-sec apt-cache search ddclient [08:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ddclient.net | Home page - ddclient docs [08:09] acer-box I like the idea of dynamic dns, except if I understand correctly that means I hand over control of the domain to some third party [08:09] acer-box one that can "manage" the assignement for me [08:09] acer-box afqaik gemini does not easily support multiple domains for the same cert [08:10] Techrights-sec no, you would use a second domain, though that second domain would be under [08:10] Techrights-sec the control of the dynamic DNS service. It has an API that ddclient can [08:10] Techrights-sec interacte with and keep updated as to the actual IPv4 address. No changes [08:10] Techrights-sec to the gemini certificat is needed. [08:11] acer-box I think this is the first time this year my ip address changes while I'm afk [08:11] acer-box if that happens again, I'll look into it [08:11] acer-box another option is an alerting system re the router [08:11] acer-box with sound alarms [08:11] acer-box rianne warned me already, but I didn't realise our address had changed [08:11] acer-box and went back to sleep [08:11] Techrights-sec Catalyst2.net might offer a dynamic service [08:11] Techrights-sec as well, for a fee or as part of the service [08:13] acer-box today it took 10-15 mins for the dns changes toi propaganda through to the dns server I use via bt [08:13] acer-box so even if that dynamic scheme worked, there would still be downtime [08:13] acer-box depending on how quickly people's isps (or gulkag or clownflare...) update the record [08:13] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:24] Techrights-sec not so much down time since the CNAME would always point ot the same A name [08:24] Techrights-sec and the A name would have the short TTL [08:26] Techrights-sec It'd be easy to set up dynamic DNS for TR but the question is where. [08:26] Techrights-sec As mentioned, perhaps Catalyst2 offers the service. I think you'd have to [08:26] Techrights-sec contact their support to find out the answer though. [08:26] Techrights-sec Otherwise, companies like No-IP have both "free" and paid for options: [08:26] Techrights-sec https://www.noip.com/sign-up [08:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.noip.com | Sign Up - Create a No-IP Dynamic DNS Account [08:26] acer-box tuxmachines used no-ip for a long time [08:26] acer-box remember no-ip itself had a major incident over a decade ago [08:26] acer-box and susan was affected [08:26] Techrights-sec M$ or something decided to block No_IP for a while [08:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:28] acer-box oh, yes, there was that too [08:28] acer-box but there was a prior incident or incident [08:28] acer-box that's why I said "third party" earlier [08:28] acer-box many that use clownflare or some of the other '\acccelerators'/CDNs occasionalyl have downtime outside their control [08:28] acer-box even EFF was down for very many hours due to this ~2 years ago [08:28] acer-box these fallbacks are, in essence, add yet another layer or tier of failure [08:28] acer-box instead of makin things more robust [08:29] Techrights-sec Or you could write your own in Python or Perl since there is access to the [08:29] Techrights-sec remote machine. The question would be how to update the Catalyst2 DNS entry [08:29] Techrights-sec in an automated manner. [08:29] acer-box if it happens again when I am afak, I can set up alarms [08:36] Techrights-sec The easy part is feching the current external IP address. [08:38] acer-box yes, I do this from the CLI already. [08:38] acer-box automating update of dns records comes with its own risk [08:38] acer-box human operator//supervision is better [08:38] acer-box in theory something like pingdom phjone alert with your new ip address [08:38] acer-box then you can log in and enter it [08:38] acer-box but you can get flase positives as many things can go wrong [08:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:47] Techrights-sec logging in and changing it manually is repetitive and wasteful of time though [08:47] acer-box if that happens 4 times a year and usually I detect it right away (I have alerts here), then I can live with it [08:49] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 18 [09:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:11] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:11] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:24] acer-box August 2022 Sets New Record Lows for PCR Testing (We're Blinding Ourselves to COVID-19), Positively Rate Climbed From Under 1% in August 2020 to 6% This Year https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/18/tests-of-covid-19/ [09:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive August 2022 Sets New Record Lows for PCR Testing (Were Blinding Ourselves to COVID-19), Positively Rate Climbed From Under 1% in August 2020 to 6% This Year [09:58] acer-box trying to locate breakdown of net b/w by prtocol [09:58] acer-box sandvine used to do analyses [09:58] acer-box but they seem to have languished this past decade [09:58] acer-box this is the kind of s*** media SHOULDbe covering [09:58] acer-box instead getting "ideas" (ASSIGNEMENTS) from GAFAM PR depts. : [09:58] acer-box :( ● Aug 18 [10:00] Techrights-sec ack [10:02] acer-box https://nitter.it/AdeleMcVayAHF/status/1560163037914566657#m [10:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Adele (@AdeleMcVayAHF): "Here's Dr Pizza, convicted paedophile, invested a lot of time on here upset at women asserting boundaries. http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/microsoft-peter-convicted/"|nitter.it [10:05] acer-box just saw it via script [10:05] acer-box I still think TR needs to focus on topics other media fails to report on [10:05] acer-box doing "me tooism" is pointless and has no material contribution [10:05] acer-box the immaterial stuff is suppressed stuff, invaluable due to scarcity [10:05] Techrights-sec ack [10:06] acer-box if netflix has more drm competitor or if drm as a whole is a bubble (video drm/eme), it'll be interesting [10:07] acer-box to see protocol breakdown in 20202 [10:07] acer-box still researching this... [10:08] Techrights-sec The nitter link goes to someone trying to gaslight the poster for pointing [10:08] Techrights-sec out facts about several criminals having been convicted in court [10:08] Techrights-sec I don't get how people are still trying to defend that microsofter. [10:08] Techrights-sec The poster holds her own, but it is shocking that there are attempts at [10:08] Techrights-sec gaslighting her [10:10] acer-box I've looked at the context [10:10] acer-box and still lack context [10:10] acer-box twitter is like a scene of an accident [10:10] acer-box either way, I'd focus on real news sites [10:10] acer-box not such gossip [10:10] acer-box mastodon is languishing also [10:10] acer-box diaspora is zombie/dead man walking [10:10] acer-box FB admits loss of users [10:10] acer-box trying to compensate with "engagement" [10:10] acer-box 'doping' for traffic [10:10] acer-box we don't need to wait for them to die [10:10] acer-box they will die [10:10] acer-box we need to move on already [10:11] Techrights-sec as for the earlier question about bandwidth, here is a link without sources: [10:11] Techrights-sec https://circleid.com/posts/20220221-the-explosive-growth-of-worldwide-broadband-usage [10:11] Techrights-sec social control media mostly exists for spreading disinformation and more [10:11] Techrights-sec generally for mass manipulation of public opinion [10:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-circleid.com | The Explosive Growth of Worldwide Broadband Usage [10:12] acer-box thanks, looking... [10:12] acer-box I think Internet freedom is closely related to software freedom, in a number of ways.. [10:12] acer-box and there is not enough reporting on the state of the Net [10:12] acer-box some conflate twitter with "the Internet'\ [10:12] acer-box like "gmail" with email etc. [10:12] acer-box they confine themselves to bubbles [10:14] acer-box bubbles and echoi chambers or sorts [10:14] acer-box where some "trending hashtag" is like the centre of the(ir) universe [10:15] Techrights-sec https://www.sandvine.com/hubfs/Sandvine_Redesign_2019/Downloads/2022/flipbooks/Global%20Internet%20Phenomena%20Report%202022/global-internet-phenomena-report-2022.html [10:15] Techrights-sec yes very much a correlation [10:15] Techrights-sec or conflate the 'Web' with The Internet, where the web from their point of view [10:15] Techrights-sec is basically the browser acting as a VM for unvetted scripts of dodgy provenance [10:15] Techrights-sec The 'trending' part is generally a lie and the 'hashtag' has been chosen by [10:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Sandvine GIPR January 2022 [10:15] Techrights-sec that social control media company for focus. [10:31] Techrights-sec they inject unvetted code of unknown origin into the browser to run blindly [10:31] Techrights-sec in place of static data. Static data would be much more efficient to produce [10:31] Techrights-sec and publish but that must not be the goal any more. [10:43] acer-box lol, wtf happened to the sandvine site [10:43] acer-box \they give "app" [10:43] acer-box not pages :-) [10:43] acer-box I've added a crude first draft [10:43] acer-box my worries from 5 years ago seem to be a reality [10:43] acer-box too many "phones" [10:43] acer-box and "apps" [10:43] acer-box and no concept of what web browsing really is ● Aug 18 [11:24] Techrights-sec checking [11:24] Techrights-sec [ytalks] 0:ytalk* [11:32] acer-box I think we're at skinnerbox stage "online" [11:33] acer-box netflix, "apps"... [11:33] acer-box think of someone in africa with only an android gadget [11:33] acer-box repeating and copying what they see/read [11:44] Techrights-sec yep [11:44] Techrights-sec TV (incl netflix hulu and others) no longer reflects society but is there to [11:44] Techrights-sec shape it [11:47] acer-box it is generally easier to commandeer populations that think alike [11:47] acer-box social norms are OK [11:47] acer-box but now there seem to be effort to divide along BS lines [11:47] acer-box the british did this in india and 'pakistan' [11:47] Techrights-sec not just divide but also cultivate bizarre values, ethics, and mores [11:50] acer-box I saw a very bizarre example of it yesterday but forgot what it was ● Aug 18 [12:03] acer-box dr. dobbs is compromised and lxer has just linked to a 2014 (!!!!!) article from it, entitled "redmon's remarkable reversal" [12:03] acer-box what the fork is lxer doing? [12:03] Techrights-sec it's common enough, most young people spend far more contact hours with the [12:03] Techrights-sec various corporate skinner boxes than they do with friends+family combined [12:03] Techrights-sec If you think about how much bad influence one kid acting out in class [12:03] Techrights-sec was, that was the results of only a few minutes per day. Not only are kids [12:03] Techrights-sec spending /hours/ per day being programmed, but the skinner boxes are adaptive [12:04] Techrights-sec and change their interaction for maximal influence and control [12:04] Techrights-sec "engagement" [12:04] Techrights-sec Speaking of crap UIs, the new Thunderbird UI is a step or two downward [12:04] acer-box thunderbird was ok before ryan started messing with it, breaking a ton of extensions very quickly [12:04] acer-box all they had to do was keep gecko up to date, more or less [12:12] Techrights-sec ack [12:13] acer-box you need 200mb of ram to check a football score over a web browser now [12:13] acer-box and the pages do not look better than 20 years ago [12:13] acer-box you also need to open like 20,000 files on your system for it [12:21] acer-box exercise to the 'reader': come up with "real world" analogies for the scenario above [12:21] acer-box (i need to free up or use up about 2gb of ram just to open thunderbird now... to read a 2k email message) [12:21] acer-box "can you scratch my back?" "sure we'll book you for a 1-hour $100 massage sesssion" [12:21] acer-box "I want to try french cheese" "oh, you need to book a holiday to france" [12:21] acer-box "I need to scan a QR code to get a URL" "Your phone is too old, you need a quad-core new phone" [12:21] acer-box "excuse me, where is the bathroom?" "The house across the road is on sale" [12:21] acer-box "Can you replace my casio battery?" "We have a all new range of casios... why do you still use a 90s watch?" (true story) [12:22] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:27] Techrights-sec ack [12:29] acer-box i still receive a lot of email, most of it spam, and I check it at most once a day [12:29] acer-box I don't even WANT to receive legit email anymore [12:29] acer-box I prefer NOT to [12:29] acer-box last night I checked "sent" folder [12:29] acer-box I sent on average about 2 emails per day [12:29] acer-box most of them are relatively short [12:29] acer-box thunderbird does not make the email experience any better anymore [12:29] acer-box opening it is a burden and nuisance [12:29] acer-box contrariwise, irc is fun, fast, and light [12:34] acer-box what needs to be accomplished, I think, is change in perspewctive re patents, Web/Net, censorship prospeccts, etc. [12:34] acer-box and of course reminding people what Microsoft really is [12:35] acer-box if you can change the minds of x people [12:35] acer-box those x people can change the minds of y people [12:35] acer-box either type x or number [x] [12:35] acer-box and that's how society has betterment prospects [12:35] acer-box the www and wikipedia, even cc, were inspired by gnu [12:35] acer-box gnu itself was inspired by some political movements and thinkers [12:35] acer-box some people run sites, thinking it would flourish as a business [12:35] acer-box eff was barlow's way of changing the world, along with online friends [12:35] acer-box the people who run eff mistake it for something else now [12:35] acer-box spamnil is still clickfrauding (I checked last night... not sure if to laugh or shake my head) [12:46] Techrights-sec a confound there is social control media and the agenda(s) of those who control [12:46] Techrights-sec it [12:48] acer-box ksa: [12:48] acer-box we own twitter (partially) [12:48] acer-box by far the most pro-isis accounts are based in ksa (study) [12:48] acer-box we send moles to work as STAFF of Twitter, fishing dissidents [12:48] acer-box we use Twitter to put critics on trial [12:48] acer-box that's just one example: ksa [12:48] acer-box it is a multi-stakeholder platform [12:48] acer-box I am still not happy with their handling of covid and response to it [12:49] acer-box i think must genuinely wanted to buy it [12:49] acer-box then it saw it was lots of sockpuppet and crap [12:49] acer-box falsely marketed to investors [12:49] acer-box and to "media" that uses "tweets" as authoritative links [12:49] Techrights-sec yes multiple interests work through twitter and the others [12:53] acer-box is tiktok profitable? i know what 'media' might say, but net, overall, no small prints a la uber [12:53] acer-box does the thing make money or just a power broker? [12:53] Techrights-sec as a means to control the youth of the US? As such it is probably an excellent [12:53] Techrights-sec return on investment? If that is not counted, then it's probably also running [12:53] Techrights-sec at a loss [12:55] acer-box 2020: the skinnerbox wars [12:55] acer-box WHOSE box will you take? nintendo/sony (jp) or mirosoft (china)? [12:55] acer-box whose "apps" will you run? who runs your synapses? [12:55] acer-box "pick your poison" [12:55] acer-box (console: waste of time, paralysing a future generation, numbing the brain) [12:56] Techrights-sec They're still talking about "revenue" not profit, [12:56] Techrights-sec https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-06-23/tiktok-becomes-cash-machine-with-revenue-tripling-to-12-billion [12:56] Techrights-sec So the conclusion is that it is running deeply into the red still. [12:56] Techrights-sec It probably always will. [12:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [12:58] acer-box you can BUY "revenue" [12:58] acer-box example: dumping [12:58] acer-box bribery [12:58] acer-box ads, banners, subsidies [12:58] acer-box increasing revenue is the easy part [12:58] acer-box give me $10,000,000,000 and I can create a LARGE company [12:58] acer-box will it be a good RoI? haha, that's the hard part [12:58] acer-box in-q-tel [12:58] acer-box (or pentagjon graft) [12:58] acer-box all those "successful" businesses ● Aug 18 [13:05] *acer-box is now known as schestowitz-TR2 [13:15] *roy is now known as ts2 [13:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 18 [16:09] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 I took 2 days off work next week: tue and weds [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 the site is holding up well do far [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 it "feels" like over time adding new pages is a _little_ slower [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 but I suppose it might be db-related [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 and it's still reasonably fast [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 we're talking about sub-1sec for key steps [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 and we're probably at page 700+ by now [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 also, some bots are starting to hammer away [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 this is OK [16:18] Techrights-sec ack [16:18] Techrights-sec should the bots be identified and rate-limited? [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 at least we get indexed quickly [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 I think that for visibility of all pages we'll need daily/weekly/monthly archive pags [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 we don't have categories (no need, those were typically a nuisance anyway) [16:19] schestowitz__[TR] "Posted by bob " [16:19] schestowitz__[TR] http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/319827/index.html [16:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LXer: Redmond's Remarkable Reversal [16:19] schestowitz__[TR] this is bad as it is OLD and he is the founder [16:19] schestowitz__[TR] weird choice of news pick today [16:21] Techrights-sec on a slightly different topic, would this be relevent to have: [16:21] Techrights-sec https://securitytxt.org/ [16:21] Techrights-sec maybe he has sold out / is selling out? [16:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-securitytxt.org | security.txt: Proposed standard for defining security policies [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 I hope not becayse [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 1) his PREVIOUS site, LinuxToday, sold out [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 2) I soemtiems find picks in lxer [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 3) this is not good for temper (I really dislike seeing antyhing Microsoft in my feeds when I actively look for the ALTERNATIVES to it) [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 what might be useful and risk-free to do first is, [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 change the text at the top of all pages (the one that says go to old site) [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 and maybe add a link to the rss feed in [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 robots.txt already gives OK defaultsa [16:25] schestowitz__[TR] From old site: (under ) [16:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:54] Techrights-sec ack [16:54] Techrights-sec There is no RSS feed, but there is an Atom feed at the new site. That has to [16:54] Techrights-sec do with the limitations of the feed generation module which is in use rather [16:54] Techrights-sec than writing a new module. The link is already present in the head of the [16:54] Techrights-sec XHTML documents: [16:54] Techrights-sec [16:54] Techrights-sec The text pointing to the old site which also names the new site as an alpha [16:54] Techrights-sec version ought to be removed if the old site is no longer getting updates. [16:54] schestowitz-TR2 at the moment it is sort of self-referential because of a redirect ● Aug 18 [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 I've just released trial/prosecutor docs on Graveley [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 I think he's trying hard to hide this by [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 1) create a NEW twitter account [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 s) creating a site with fluff and lies [17:03] schestowitz-TR2 3) using sockpuppets [17:04] schestowitz-TR2 we run circles around him [17:04] schestowitz-TR2 and he is a MASSIVE liability to MS and Mono [17:04] Techrights-sec ok the navigation menu is updated now [17:04] schestowitz__[TR] " [17:04] schestowitz__[TR] () These pages are on an alpha (tesing) site. [17:04] schestowitz__[TR] For the production/live site, please see tuxmachines.org instead. [17:04] schestowitz__[TR] " [17:05] schestowitz__[TR] much cleaner now without it [17:05] schestowitz__[TR] I assume we want to keep it simple, stupid [17:05] schestowitz__[TR] like in gemini [17:06] Techrights-sec yep [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 I was thinking for two days no [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 *now [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 how to differentiate the UDPATED bits from latest [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 I checked css selectors [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 and ascii [17:10] Techrights-sec which updated bits, where? [17:10] Techrights-sec time of creation can be folded in so that it will behave as expected [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 and maybe separattors [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 of id or span in the markup [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 the reason being, both rianne and marius thought their new pages had failed to appear [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 because they didn't know it prioritised by time of update [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 so then I thought, could I use css to somehow highlight one bit as different? [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 the db just sorts by date_modified so once it printf's them there's nothing except the word "UPDATE" to say it's bumped up [17:10] schestowitz-TR2 so I still don't know of an elegant approach [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 I think it does behave as expected [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 except the items where modified date is not the same as creation (newer than todat at midnight) [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 could be marked as such [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 like "hot stories" [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 ongoing, updates etc. [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 they stay on top as long as some sites still cover the theme/news [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 and are therefore (typically) more important news [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 like the pine64 contreoversy [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 or the chinese distro, deepin [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 ----- [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 btw, if you see the graveley docs I've just publish, you'd know whyt it took so long to put esptein in prison (FL, acosta) [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 and why there's no way they'll put billg behind bars again [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 as the saying goes, "bought and paid for" (legal system) [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 but in the court of public opinion, that's another matter [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 iow, the real trial might be in the independent media [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 now some robed shills [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 *not [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 twitter will just ban people who try to do "trial by social media" [17:16] schestowitz-TR2 unless it's conformant with objectives of twitter's owners [17:20] Techrights-sec ack [17:20] Techrights-sec ok the time of creation is tracked, I think [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 I think the desirable behaviour is, [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 updated items re-emerge or resurface in rss feeds and go back to top of page [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 so as to attract attention to typically-bigger stories snd the updates in them [17:20] schestowitz-TR2 without adding any actual clutter to the modest, fast site [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 got the git changes [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 ok, so now it takes also the time of day [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 and adds a condition in the cascading set [17:23] Techrights-sec ok the time of creation is tracked, I think -- more fixing is needed [17:23] Techrights-sec in the update / deletion part [17:28] schestowitz__[TR] gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/18/A_test_of_time_of_creation.gmi [17:28] schestowitz__[TR] I know it's a test page [17:28] schestowitz__[TR] the android link there points to time [17:29] schestowitz__[TR] I guess it's due to it being a "dummy page" [17:29] Techrights-sec yes but it is half broken ... working [17:39] schestowitz-TR2 excellent, it's all working now, http/s+gemini [17:39] schestowitz-TR2 rianne has just sold javeline shoes, buyer abroad, lots in profit [17:39] schestowitz-TR2 somew weeks those slaes can cover food bills [17:39] schestowitz-TR2 I work tonight, monday, then free till next weekend [17:39] Techrights-sec ack [17:43] schestowitz-TR2 I don't know how you set up and use those notificatio systems, MQTT [17:43] schestowitz-TR2 I remember pieter (ffii) did a lot of pioneering work in that area [17:43] schestowitz-TR2 does that interact with sms/phone? [17:43] schestowitz-TR2 so-called "apps"? [17:43] Techrights-sec the MQTT stuff is based on mosquitto_pub and mosquitto_sub [17:43] Techrights-sec the broker info is in /etc/mosquitto in two text files [17:43] Techrights-sec the ACLs, logins, and identifiers could be handled better [17:43] Techrights-sec a TCP connection is maintained between the broker and the clients [17:44] schestowitz-TR2 if i understand correctly, the agent dispatches notifs when some events happen [17:44] schestowitz-TR2 instead of clients polling for updates throughout the day [17:45] Techrights-sec it's quite low bandwidth [17:45] Techrights-sec and lower CPU [17:47] schestowitz-TR2 years ago we made a tuxmachines "app" for android [17:47] schestowitz-TR2 in effect a preloaded and rebranded rss reader that uses the main rss feed [17:47] schestowitz-TR2 in this day and age many cannot install anything (easily) outside a "store" [17:47] schestowitz-TR2 even random apk files are hard [17:47] Techrights-sec I won't touch "app" development :( [17:47] Techrights-sec If someone does want to do that, I'll help from the sidelines but nothing more [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 "apps" have very short lifetime [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 for several reasons [17:49] schestowitz-TR2 let me check if plasma5 and gnomeshell have some mqtt clients [17:54] schestowitz-TR2 twitter, dikstrowatch, rss, gmail... kde notifications... nothihg mqtt upstream [17:54] schestowitz-TR2 lots of other "widgets" though [17:54] schestowitz-TR2 you said making a public borker is possible so that got me thinking [17:54] schestowitz-TR2 knowing that no similar site does this [17:54] schestowitz__[TR] https://store.kde.org/p/1316886 [17:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-store.kde.org | MQTT-Explorer - KDE Store [17:54] schestowitz-TR2 our updates are also quite plain while www "bores" some people [17:54] schestowitz-TR2 btw, site works well in netsurf [17:54] schestowitz__[TR] https://mqtt-explorer.com/ [17:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mqtt-explorer.com | MQTT Explorer | An all-round MQTT client that provides a structured topic overview [17:57] schestowitz__[TR] this comes as snap or appimage [17:57] schestowitz__[TR] not in debian repos [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] for buster: [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] golang-github-eclipse-paho.mqtt.golang-dev/oldstable 1.1.1-1 all [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] Go package implementing MQTT client library by Eclipse Paho [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] libmosquitto-dev/oldstable,oldstable 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 amd64 [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT version 3.1/3.1.1 client library, development files [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] libmosquitto1/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 amd64 [installed,automatic] [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT version 3.1/3.1.1 client library [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] libmosquittopp-dev/oldstable,oldstable 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 amd64 [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT version 3.1 client C++ library, development files [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] libmosquittopp1/oldstable,oldstable 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 amd64 [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT version 3.1/3.1.1 client C++ library [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] libmqtt-client-java/oldstable 1.14-1+deb10u1 all [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] Java MQTT Client API [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] mosquitto/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 amd64 [installed] [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT version 3.1/3.1.1 compatible message broker [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] mosquitto-clients/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 amd64 [installed] [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] Mosquitto command line MQTT clients [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] mosquitto-dev/oldstable,oldstable 1.5.7-1+deb10u1 all [17:58] Techrights-sec store.kde.org seems blocked by javascript or something [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] Development files for Mosquitto [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] node-mqtt-packet/oldstable 6.0.0-2 all [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] parse and generate MQTT packets [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] prosody-modules/oldstable,oldstable 0.0~hg20190203.b54e98d5c4a1+dfsg-1+deb10u1 all [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] Selection of community modules for Prosody [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] python-paho-mqtt/oldstable 1.4.0-1 all [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT client class (Python 2) [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] python3-paho-mqtt/oldstable 1.4.0-1 all [17:58] schestowitz__[TR] MQTT client class (Python 3) ● Aug 18 [18:02] schestowitz__[TR] " [18:02] schestowitz__[TR] No personal data is processed, sent or stored. [18:02] schestowitz__[TR] The app sends telemetry and error reports, this enables me to quickly react on bugs/errors and understand whats going on. Responding quickly to errors is one key element in producing a reliable software product. [18:02] schestowitz__[TR] It basically sends: app version, processor architecture, operating system, used memory, user interactions and error stacks. [18:02] schestowitz__[TR] " [18:08] schestowitz__[TR] https://www.fosslife.org/3-ways-use-steampipe [18:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | 3 Ways to Use Steampipe [18:08] schestowitz__[TR] " [18:08] schestowitz__[TR] Steampipe is an open source tool that translates REST API calls directly into SQL tables, says Jon Udell. Or, as the Steampipe docs say: Steampipe exposes APIs and services as a high-performance relational database, giving you the ability to write SQL-based queries to explore dynamic data. [18:08] schestowitz__[TR] In this article, Udell provides three examples of SQL queries using Steampipe, noting that when APIs frictionlessly become tables, you can devote your full attention to reasoning over the abstractions represented by those APIs. [18:08] schestowitz__[TR] " [18:32] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 18 [19:00] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vixqutuhqmhx8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:28] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:42] *britney has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:43] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 18 [20:33] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 18 [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 No personal data is processed, sent or stored. [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 The app sends telemetry and error reports, this enables me to quickly react on bugs/errors and understand whats going on. Responding quickly to errors is one ke [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 y element in producing a reliable software product. [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 It basically sends: app version, processor architecture, operating system, used memory, user interactions and error stacks. [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 " [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 they used to warn you before sending "crash report" [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 now they dub it "Telemetry" and hardl even tell you that this is happening [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 unless you read very fine prints (if they exist) [21:05] schestowitz-TR2 kate got caught [21:22] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [21:26] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:27] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [21:39] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:51] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ynzrv8yvass4i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 18 [23:11] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [23:12] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:13] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bkm8viwkbe59y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell