●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 18, 2021 ●● ● Sep 18 [03:43] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) [03:55] *blitzed (~blitzed@vnxqxiuvnzmtg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [04:15] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [04:22] *activelow (~activelow@5hv7hhq6j3x48.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:23] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 18 [05:03] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [05:03] *activelow (~activelow@g3izecpprtp7g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [06:43] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:44] *activelow (~activelow@5z2uahnzy3nww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:45] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) ● Sep 18 [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 I have added gemini urls to the irc bots that spew out irc logs and bulletins when they're generated. we'll see if it's bug-free tonight. Today is our anniversary. [10:44] Techrights-sec Congratulations. [10:44] Techrights-sec When the articles are mostly text, they are almost always easier to read [10:44] Techrights-sec as Gemini rather than WWW. [10:44] Techrights-sec The navigation is easier and there are fewer distractions surrounding the [10:44] Techrights-sec body of the post. ● Sep 18 [11:15] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@4azthyqfbpik6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:40] schestowitz x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/microsoft-and-honor-sign-partnership-to-develop-new-ai-devices/86311817 [11:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | microsoft: Microsoft and Honor sign partnership to develop new AI, devices, IT News, ET CIO [11:40] schestowitz = [11:40] schestowitz x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3633872/the-rise-of-tablets-why-we-dont-need-laptops-or-phones-anymore.html [11:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computerworld.com | The rise of tablets: Why we don't need laptops or phones anymore | Computerworld [11:41] schestowitz # passive "consumption" only [11:41] schestowitz = [11:41] schestowitz x https://www.clarepeople.com/3000-new-attacks-continue-using-linux-to-attack-windows-systems/ [11:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.clarepeople.com | New attacks continue using Linux to attack Windows systems The Clare People [11:41] schestowitz = ● Sep 18 [12:39] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [12:48] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [13:39] Techrights-sec untested: [13:39] Techrights-sec diff --git a/IPFS/complete-index-split.sh b/IPFS/complete-index-split.sh [13:39] Techrights-sec index be19a03..f91b480 100755 [13:39] Techrights-sec --- a/IPFS/complete-index-split.sh [13:39] Techrights-sec +++ b/IPFS/complete-index-split.sh [13:39] Techrights-sec @@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ awk '{print "* " $0}' txt | grep ' techrights-' | sed 's/ techrights-/ TR /' | [13:39] Techrights-sec echo '' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [13:39] Techrights-sec echo '## IRC Logs' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [13:39] Techrights-sec echo '' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [13:39] Techrights-sec -awk '{print "* " $0}' txt | grep -v ' techrights-' | sed 's/[(].*$//' | sed 's/ irc-log-/ /' >> /hom [13:39] Techrights-sec e/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [13:39] Techrights-sec +awk '!/ techrights-/ {sub(/(.*$/,""); sub(/ irc-log-/," "); print "* " $0}' txt >> /home/gemini/gemini [13:39] Techrights-sec /ipfs/index.gmi [13:39] Techrights-sec echo '' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [13:39] Techrights-sec echo '=> / back to Techrights (Main Index)' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [13:53] schestowitz git pull && git show | grep Dae ● Sep 18 [16:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:24] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@gq9n6gb4brfk8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 18 [17:39] *activelow (~activelow@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [18:00] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@gwjmme686y6vi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [19:33] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:39] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:39] *activelow (~activelow@kjquitvzjebrk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:45] *activelow has quit (Quit: another reboot) [19:55] *activelow (~activelow@yytfysqumc55n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [20:35] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@mxduvgnfsfagg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:46] Techrights-sec I have just seen your push and I got the changes for ipfs, will deploy that soon and test [20:50] schestowitz I've just pushed view_irc.sh again. Together with the monitor script, it can take http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-status.txt (using curl or wget ) and then process them for concise overview. I run it locally on the file, from a lesser PC over ssh with refresh every 20 secs [20:51] *techrights_guest|43 (~519aac55@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [21:51] *qa_ has quit (connection closed) [21:51] *qa_ (~qa@fa9xe2vquf842.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 18 [22:35] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:41] *activelow (~activelow@b4jjzquhwb7y2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:55] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/dabus-ai-inventor-or-emperors-new.html?showComment=1631711393151#c6661506758750993219 [22:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | DABUS: An AI inventor or the Emperor's New Clothes? - The IPKat [22:55] schestowitz " [22:55] schestowitz Is your title a reference to the 1989 600-page brick "The Emperor's new mind" by Roger Penrose, or is it just a coincidence? [22:55] schestowitz The book seeks to provide an answer to the question "can computers have a mind?", by taking the reader on a breathtaking tour of modern mathematics and physics. The author's view, if I can summarize it, is that there is still something fundamental missing in understanding the nature of "strong AI". [22:55] schestowitz I find this topic rather irksome, and I'm at a loss to understand what the petitioners are really after, or what harm they are actually suffering. In my view, at best they are some pedants tediously trying to make their point, and at worst they are hiding some sinister unavowable motives. The proper forum to settle these questions would be to petition democratically elected governments, rather than pushing their agenda, whatever it is, through [22:55] schestowitz courts, who would in the end make new law rather than "interpreting" existing statutes. [22:55] schestowitz This debate also ignores the historical origins of the right of the inventor to be named, which was a fight that lasted roughly six decades centered around 1900. In turn this raises questions about theories for justifying patents, which are rarely explicitly invoked. The classical bargain theory is already unsatisfactory, and would fail if the source of "innovation" is a non-sentient bucket of chips. (Advocates often hopscotch between theories [22:55] schestowitz without even realising it.) [22:55] schestowitz In any case, one should be careful about what one wishes for: what is good for the goose should also apply to the gander. If the skilled person of Art. 56 EPC could be under some circumstances a multidisciplinary team, then why couldn't it be an AI system? [22:55] schestowitz Back in the USSR, one Genrich Altshuller looked at countless patents to try to understand how inventors think, and came up with a systematic set of rules for solving technical problems. This came to be codified in a method called "TRIZ", which has a minor cult-like following. It is actually rather seductive, and is in my view a kind of generalised problem-solution approach. Very roughly, the analysis involves the identification of constraints [22:55] schestowitz and contradictions in the problem statement, and lists rules suggesting which approach could be tried, such as "Do it inversely", "Change the state of the physical property.", or "Do it in advance." (from "Suddenly the inventor appeared", by Altshuller, 1994; other books, such as "Grundlagen der klassischen TRIZ" provide more elaborate tabulations) [22:55] schestowitz " ● Sep 18 [23:00] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/dabus-ai-inventor-or-emperors-new.html?showComment=1631962981581#c8220496132033312926 [23:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | DABUS: An AI inventor or the Emperor's New Clothes? - The IPKat [23:00] schestowitz " [23:00] schestowitz In my humble opinion you start from a wrong premise. You consider that AI does create inventions, in the sense that its outputs would not have been obvious to a skilled person without the use of such a machine. [23:00] schestowitz The problem is that any AI system cannot by essence do more than it has been told to do. And all the ambiguity results from this wrong premise. [23:00] schestowitz In that respect, I cannot imagine that AI becomes better than humans at generating unforeseen results. [23:00] schestowitz There is therefore no need to adapt the level of inventive step to match what would be obvious for an AI (or for a skilled person with the assistance of AI). [23:00] schestowitz I cannot follow you when you express the fear that it may become very much harder for a mere human to make a patentable invention. [23:00] schestowitz To me the discussion on AI is highly academic and should remain in this field. [23:00] schestowitz " [23:01] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/no-german-injunction-gap-expedition-in.html?showComment=1631882668622#c3425297260496883847 [23:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | No "German injunction gap" expedition in Abbott v Dexcom global diabetes battle, as Mr Justice Mellor expresses "some regret" - The IPKat [23:01] schestowitz "My understanding is that the German system when it requires a "security" it is not a promise to pay but the actual amount has to be deposited at the court. This is of itself a significant issue as you lose all power in getting it back. This was some 10+ years ago so it may have changed. " [23:01] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/book-review-intellectual-property-law.html?showComment=1631843907177#c7739649820655563306 [23:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book Review: Intellectual Property Law in China, 2nd Edition - The IPKat [23:01] schestowitz "Tian Lu wrote: "Those who are innovating and exploring modalities in the justice system do not shake Chinas tradition of statutory law. The discourse in this book would have been more rigorous if the additional explanations above had been provided." But on the same page 9 the authors write "Chinese law is different from the Common Law tradition in that the decision of a higher court or even of the SPC does not bind the lower court (unlike [23:01] schestowitz the above-mentioned Interpretations), so that they may decide differently in a similar case." And then the reference is made to my editorial IP in China: Moving closer to the common law system for the sake of uniformity: https://academic-oup-com.eres.qnl.qa/jiplp/article/12/8/621/3978698?searchresult=1| [23:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Connection timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://academic-oup-com.eres.qnl.qa/jiplp/article/12/8/621/3978698?searchresult=1| ) [23:06] activelow "AI" isn't an academic term; it is unspecific, and unscientific, quackery [23:09] activelow lacking a definition instead Turing proposed some shallow test a chatbot reproducing indistinguishable phrases from social media blather defined this term, which it doesn't [23:10] activelow schestowitz: "Turing test" with the argument to verify what wasn't specified to begin with. it is tautological circular, usncientific and deceptive argument. [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: I agree HEY HI is vague [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 they don't say SVMs [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 or Neural networks [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 they want to keep it broad and generic [23:11] activelow For example, "AI" was evident when some script scraped of phrases from british yellow press, and then claiming "see this is innovative AI reproducing the intellect of british yellow press" [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 "hey hi" can be computer or just program [23:13] activelow of cause, it is indistinguishable, if some yellow press gossip was written realtime by an author or if it was scraped from some database of archived text samples [23:15] activelow "Turing test", doesn't verify anything [23:16] activelow in any case, a chatbot scrapes text samples, written by humans, and the algorithms to select phrases too [23:17] activelow "AI" doesn't invent nor innovate, AI isn't at least identifiable, it isn't an objective term, it is a highly unspecific and abstract *concept* [23:17] activelow which cannot be either proven or disproven to exist or not [23:17] activelow since *concepts* do NOT qualify with existence, only objects do [23:18] activelow such as *time* as an abstract concept does not neither exist or not, it is only a watch to measure time which can either exist or not [23:19] activelow then next, "AI" as an *abstract* and unspecific concept had to be verified for it's utility, if this concept could predict or model anything at all: no it cannot. [23:20] activelow if algorithms (differential equation systems) are modeled according to natural brain function then this is objective, it can be qualified and quantified, such as layers of a (algorithmic) neural perceptron [23:21] activelow "AI" cannot be qualified or quantified, it is deceptive, harmful quackery [23:21] schestowitz-TR2 it's all outlandish and infantile... hey hi [23:21] schestowitz-TR2 we need to mock people who use the term [23:21] activelow schestowitz-TR2: are there any chatbots present on techrights IRC? [23:21] schestowitz-TR2 no [23:21] schestowitz-TR2 not "hey hi" [23:21] schestowitz-TR2 the logic is very simple [23:21] schestowitz-TR2 like output of title of given url [23:22] activelow ordinary text processing, not implying some text parser is trivial (given the power of Perl regex for example) [23:28] *techrights_guest|43 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:37] schestowitz https://twitter.com/mikenov/status/1439182114356961285 [23:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mikenov: BA-LO-NEY! Phony Baloney! #NewAbwehr - #KGB #PoliticalWeapon in action! https://t.co/rpLyu9HjEW [23:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #TheNation Theres No Good Reason #FBI Director #ChrisWray Still Has a Job https://t.co/WE2f3dXbqS [23:37] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1439179096538419201 [23:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: "Truss scored particularly badly in a 2019 analysis by DeSmog and the Guardian of MPs votes on climate change, bei https://t.co/qSm44sLO8F [23:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: "Truss scored particularly badly in a 2019 analysis by DeSmog and the Guardian of MPs votes on climate change, bei https://t.co/qSm44sLO8F [23:37] schestowitz |""Truss scored particularly badly in a 2019 analysis by DeSmog and the Guardian of MPs votes on climate change, being present for 10 votes and voting positively in two."| [23:38] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/at2rty/status/1438982511690985473 [23:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | bremont Alfredo (@at2rty): "The world laughed when Biden dissed Australias PM as that fella from Down Under, but to Aussies like me its no joke $The Prisoner: Season 1 Episode 1 - Arrival (Full Episode) https://youtu.be/osNmf_zmSyE via @YouTube" | nitter [23:39] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/SigmaBob/status/1439212547278835712 [23:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | bob (@SigmaBob): "Doesn't the NHS do that here? I guess losing that is next on the books for the Tories. @JoeBiden" | nitter [23:56] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)