●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, November 18, 2021 ●● ● Nov 18 [00:15] *altlink_69a has quit (connection closed) [00:15] *altlink_623 (~altlink_623@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [01:17] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:17] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:23] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:56] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [02:53] *asusbox2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:53] *asusbox2 (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [03:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:02] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:16] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [06:29] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Nov 18 [07:27] Techrights-sec The script export-stats.sh is failing to merge these two URLs: [07:27] Techrights-sec Requests Page [07:27] Techrights-sec [1] 295 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ [07:27] Techrights-sec ... [07:27] Techrights-sec [8] 32 / [07:27] Techrights-sec ... [07:27] Techrights-sec I can debug it but the account would need temporary membership in the group adm. [07:27] Techrights-sec Or a copy of /var/log/syslog.1 somewhere. [07:35] schestowitz-TR see your homedir for a copy of the log [07:35] Techrights-sec dead link : https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-looking-back-project-athena ... wrong paste [07:35] Techrights-sec dead link: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/features/SCO-vs-Linux-mixed-reactions-to-Novell-Unix-copyright-verdict--/11 [07:35] Techrights-sec 0819 [07:35] -altlink_623/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: mit.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-looking-back-project-athena [07:35] Techrights-sec Heise Online seems to have been dturned off quietly [07:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-looking-back-project-athena ) [07:35] Techrights-sec The rot is intentional. In the old days the old articles were kept by libraries [07:35] Techrights-sec and archives... [07:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.heise.de | heise online - IT-News, Nachrichten und Hintergrnde [07:35] schestowitz-TR I knew it was a broken link, and this was part of the point, showing history rots away2~ [07:40] Techrights-sec ack [07:40] Techrights-sec got the log, will look shortly [07:41] schestowitz-TR OT but still noteworthy: at the moment there is still no plan to go back to the gym, and in fact I'm not even sure when I'll bother flying seeing all the EXTRA hassle it now entails [07:42] schestowitz-TR good for techrights, maybe less for my health, but I still exercise at home [07:57] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [07:58] Techrights-sec Movement every hour is important, not just standing. Standing and such [07:58] Techrights-sec must be done more frequently. [07:58] schestowitz-TR going to get a cup of choc/tea/coffee/lemon water, sometimes a little stretching while waiting for water to boil [07:59] Techrights-sec yep ● Nov 18 [08:13] Techrights-sec https://www.golem.de/news/verschluesselung-bsi-verschickt-privaten-pgp-schluessel-2111-161073.html [08:13] Techrights-sec LUT is infected with Vista10 [08:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.golem.de | Golem.de: IT-News fr Profis [08:15] schestowitz-TR sometimes I think or mostly 'feel' -- and it's not based on actual evidence -- that interests high up in states, military and high society would do as little as is necessary to keep adoption of free systems at bay, or limited only to infra where security actually serves them, not us [08:16] Techrights-sec yes, I would say that has been the case since the mid 1990s. [08:16] schestowitz-TR many parallels wrt antiwar movement [08:17] Techrights-sec They want all [08:17] Techrights-sec systems to be insecure so they can /easily/ go in and out of them, yet complain [08:17] Techrights-sec that others do the same. [08:17] Techrights-sec Yes, anti war groups are also often infiltrated and undermined. [08:17] schestowitz-TR we need to outwit them. They have a go at Pocock again. [08:20] Techrights-sec Debian has been thoroughly compromised. Shuttleworth unintentionally [08:20] Techrights-sec weakened it by drawing of a lot of talent for Ubuntu. Many projects [08:20] Techrights-sec depend on Debian so hurting it has a high return on investment. Unfortunately [08:20] Techrights-sec since Canonical is a private company, it was much easier to infiltrate and [08:20] Techrights-sec subvert. The spinmeister, Bacon, was part of that. Pocock is attacked [08:20] Techrights-sec because he is not part of the subversion. [08:21] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:22] Techrights-sec However, M$ has been undermining the schools at university level for a long time [08:22] Techrights-sec It weeds out anyone with potential to lead because M$ products produce sheep. [08:25] Techrights-sec And illogical thought. One cannot survive in an M$ environment without [08:25] Techrights-sec some kind of dysfunctional flow of thought. So those that are capable get [08:25] Techrights-sec weeded out, mostly. Those capable that remain get damaged. The rest were [08:25] Techrights-sec never any good to begin with but are then "certified" and "accredited" to [08:25] Techrights-sec serve in bootstrapping a community of fraud. See all the M$ "experts" ad [08:25] Techrights-sec and "security" consultants as examples of that fraud. However there are starting [08:25] Techrights-sec to be enough that they boost each other. [08:26] schestowitz-TR we need to coordinate the response to these issues, as I think we have something many sites and groups lack,including some inside connections in specific institutions [08:28] schestowitz-TR apropos, mainstream dutch media is having a go at EPO again (issues were covered before), but this isn't in English, so we may have to wait [08:37] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:49] Techrights-sec Dutch is not too difficult if one can read German. Though obviously [08:49] Techrights-sec nueances will be lost. It is good that they have noticed the EPO. I hope [08:49] Techrights-sec that German sites notice too since that is close to home. [08:50] schestowitz-TR if they turn a blind eye for financial reasons, then they give us a 'monopoly' over accurate information [08:53] Techrights-sec Would a German translation of TR be either feasible or desireable for that? [08:56] schestowitz-TR no, it would not matter ● Nov 18 [09:30] psydruid where is the EPO mentioned in Dutch news? [09:33] schestowitz psydruid: television [09:33] schestowitz I did not see the program [09:33] psydruid Nieuwslicht? [09:33] schestowitz cannot remember [09:34] schestowitz Nieu something... [09:34] psydruid Nieuwsuur [09:34] psydruid News hour [09:36] schestowitz https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20211109.html [09:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.epo.org | EPO - RTL Nieuws programme [09:36] schestowitz oh, RTL [09:36] schestowitz lux I guesss [09:44] psydruid https://www.rtlxl.nl/programma/rtl-nieuws/b377e36e-a17c-4a4a-b7cd-624214ab5082 [09:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.rtlxl.nl | RTL XL - RTL Nieuws RTL Nieuws - 19:30 uur [09:44] psydruid I would have to log in or something ● Nov 18 [10:14] schestowitz is that the one? [10:14] schestowitz "Dagelijks het laatste nieuws uit binnen- en buitenland. Voor nog meer nieuws kunt u ook gebruikmaken van onze mobiele apps." [10:14] schestowitz I asked around [10:14] schestowitz and am waiting for people who can say more [10:14] schestowitz the EPO is good at censoring critical press coverage [10:20] psydruid evening broadcast from the 8th of November [10:20] psydruid it could have been mentioned in the earlier bulletins too [10:46] psydruid it must have been a really short item because I can't find it skipping through the broadcast minute by minute ● Nov 18 [11:13] schestowitz maybe I can find it somehow [11:13] schestowitz if someone saved it [11:28] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:29] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:30] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [12:05] schestowitz psydruid: apropos [12:05] schestowitz from Daily Links: [12:05] schestowitz "This year Denmark has been pipped to the post by the Netherlands in first place and Austria in second." [12:05] schestowitz https://cphpost.dk/?p=129527 [12:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cphpost.dk | Danes the third best non-Anglophone speakers of English in the world - The Post [12:08] psydruid Dutch is literally somewhere in between English and German and we generally learn both language in school [12:12] psydruid this list also makes clear that there is a cultural difference between Austria and Germany, even though they have the same official language [12:13] psydruid and Portugal is the only country with an official Romance language in the top 10 [12:13] psydruid maybe because it is small and dependent on trade like the Netherlands is [12:16] schestowitz I see [12:16] schestowitz Dutch have American accent typically [12:16] schestowitz unlike Germans [12:20] *altlink_623 has quit (connection closed) [12:20] *altlink_89f (~altlink_89f@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:28] psydruid I was told by my managers that they couldn't really hear where I'm from, because I sound pretty neutral in whatever language I speak [12:29] psydruid I think we just get exposed more to English in daily life, just like people in Nordic countries [12:32] schestowitz in larger countries you get a lot of stuff domestically [12:32] schestowitz so lesser need to communicate with outsiders? [12:39] psydruid I think so [12:44] psydruid I think foreign language education is one of the best parts of education in this country [12:44] psydruid https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/voortgezet-onderwijs/vraag-en-antwoord/vreemde-talen-onderbouw-voortgezet-onderwijs [12:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.rijksoverheid.nl | Welke vreemde talen krijg ik in de onderbouw van het voortgezet onderwijs? | Rijksoverheid.nl [12:45] psydruid you get taught English, French and German and there is nowadays also a choice to replace one of the latter two with Spanish, Italian, Russian, Arabic, Turkish or Chinese [12:46] psydruid and this is only secondary education, so pre-university [12:48] psydruid and Latin and Ancient Greek in what they call gymnasium here, something like grammar school ● Nov 18 [13:04] Techrights-sec I am quite sure that the main reason for the existence of Vista11 is to [13:04] Techrights-sec push TPM chips into all consumer notebooks and desktops. That will [13:04] Techrights-sec then get daisychained to UEFI in Vista12. [13:04] Techrights-sec Also, I've asked around here a little and there has been zero coverage [13:04] Techrights-sec of "chat control" or any other policy level changes. [13:05] schestowitz psydruid: interesting.. [13:06] schestowitz Techrights-sec: so a bit like EPO scandals. The unspeakable. On the UPSIDE, I see lots of mentions of vaccine patents being an issue now, in sites I follow anyway [13:08] psydruid quite a few people are also quite aware of what is happening and threatening to leave for GNU/Linux or actually leaving [13:09] psydruid that was also apparent in the post on Thurott's site that DaemonFC linked to [13:10] schestowitz yes, I saw that [13:10] schestowitz UEFI 'secure' boot will give them a harder time [13:10] schestowitz and i think that only Microsoft wants to discourage this [13:11] schestowitz all those 'antivirus' companies, NSA, DoD at large... [13:11] schestowitz but I cannot "prove" it.. [13:11] schestowitz maybe common sense [13:22] psydruid yes [13:22] psydruid I've just got Doom running on my Orange Pi [13:23] psydruid after installing some collection on WINE on another laptop and transferring that to the Orange Pi's SSD [13:24] psydruid Microsoft (and Intel) are going to be experiencing a death by a thousand cuts [13:24] psydruid Microsoft isn't going to survive the transition to ARM and RISC-V [13:24] psydruid and the little market share it will still have is going to be eroded the same way it is on x86 [13:25] psydruid it's just another branch of the battle to bring games to Linux + OpenGL/Vulkan [13:25] psydruid but gaming is often the only reason why people still run Vista at home [13:29] schestowitz i will record a video re this [13:29] schestowitz after workout [13:45] *blitzed has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:47] psydruid Doom 2 doesn't run because OpenGL 3.0 isn't supported, but that's a relatively minor issue [13:56] schestowitz done :-) [13:56] schestowitz I used external cam [13:56] schestowitz psydruid: you can fall back onto opengl2.x [13:57] schestowitz usually 2.1 ● Nov 18 [14:02] psydruid I think Gzdoom has a hard requirement on OpenGL 3.0 [14:02] psydruid and Lzdoom doesn't work [14:03] psydruid but I can play Doom 1 at least [14:53] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Nov 18 [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:56] Techrights-sec blog.torproject.org is not using valid HTML [15:57] schestowitz-TR probably maintained by some mac users with the latest iphone [15:57] schestowitz-TR sipping latte somewhere in Bay Area ● Nov 18 [16:00] Techrights-sec rss-since-scraper.pl needed tweaking to compensate for their broken page [16:01] Techrights-sec pushed to Git [16:01] schestowitz-TR can do tor relays, cannot do www. Sounds like an issue... [16:02] Techrights-sec There's been turnover in staff [16:02] Techrights-sec I have not had time to catch up with this, which is 2 hours: [16:02] Techrights-sec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNhIjtXuVzk&t=115s [16:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | State of the Onion 2021 - YouTube [16:03] schestowitz-TR have they yet 'modernised' by moving to shithub like letsencrypt (LF ) did, both for the web site and back end code? [16:04] Techrights-sec https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.torproject.org%2Fnew-release-tor-browser-1101%2F [16:04] -altlink_89f/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: w3.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.torproject.org%2Fnew-release-tor-browser-1101%2F [16:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-validator.w3.org | Showing results for https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1101/ - Nu Html Checker [16:04] schestowitz-TR maybe US Navy did not like Tor being leveraged by Wikileaks and "other criminals", so something needed to be done to 'reform' this project [16:05] Techrights-sec More compliant and less competant [16:06] schestowitz-TR less revolutionary... except in "rogue countries"... the ones that need to be undermine. All in the name of "protecting minorities" or something.. [16:06] schestowitz-TR *undermined [16:07] Techrights-sec More compliant and less competant informants / moles? [16:07] Techrights-sec "Helping" the project to death. [16:10] *blitzed (~blitzed@2tncu3ptefprc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:32] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [16:37] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:49] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:54] *leah has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.3) [16:56] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [17:03] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [17:07] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:18] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [17:20] Techrights-sec CoC [17:20] schestowitz-TR WHO leeeet the CoC out? [17:22] Techrights-sec CoC'onuts [17:23] schestowitz-TR I was going to say something about Tor, which I forgot, but they laid off tons of staff and it may help to know who's who among those sacked and those who are left. The Heads distro (no systemd) has not had releases in years [17:26] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:31] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@gf27vbau36th4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:46] Techrights-sec I noticed that Heads was already defunct [17:47] schestowitz-TR I wondered if the main demoralising force was lack of users, hardship removing systemd, or lack of faith in Tor Project [17:55] Techrights-sec Well there are nasty, dishonest whisper campaigns against it in many countries. [17:55] Techrights-sec TV, Radio, and various "IT" consultants parrot the false assertion that [17:55] Techrights-sec it is only "darknet" and that is therefore only illegal and has no legal let [17:55] Techrights-sec alone legitimate uses. The Tor Project does have outreach but it's hard [17:55] Techrights-sec to push effectively against the volume of microsofters. [17:56] schestowitz-TR I have not used tor since 2013 or 2014 ● Nov 18 [18:21] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:31] Techrights-sec It is recommended to use it periodically anyway so that those that actually ned [18:31] Techrights-sec it have a little noise to shelter in. The network apparently has a lot of [18:31] Techrights-sec capacity these days. Many of the US sites which block the EU and UK are [18:31] Techrights-sec still availabe via Tor, though not all. [18:31] Techrights-sec $ sudo apt install torbrowser-launcher [18:31] Techrights-sec $ torbrowser-launcher [18:35] Techrights-sec It's also good to have a browser which is not Chromium based. [18:36] schestowitz-TR for the time being rianne and I use librewolf, but I use falkon the most ● Nov 18 [19:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vvyyw2k2ypj86.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [20:06] *techrights_guest|34 (~602fe53b@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:10] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/WukinaJ/status/1461410815517544451#m [20:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Li bh .8 (@WukinaJ): "Zabezpeen: Straight Line Spekulace, TPM, Drupal a dal | Tuxov stroje http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158104" | nitter [20:57] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@xq8y23yji6zsu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [21:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@pv67dhssdyshs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 18 [23:02] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [23:03] *activelow (~activelow@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:36] *techrights_guest|34 has quit (Quit: Connection closed)