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[05:17] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:45] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [05:45] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [05:45] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [05:45] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [05:45] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [05:45] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~schestowi@freenode-18vdut.5mai.fl0c.t29qgt.IP at Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] >>> Did you do something to restore *comments* being shown, or did it fix [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] >>> itself, as sometimes happens? [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] >> [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] >> I did not even access the admin panel :-)> [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] > Weird, but good! A similar return to the living happened recently. [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] > My iPhone Voice Mail stopped appearing and an error message said call your [05:47] schestowitz [05:42] > phone carrier. I did not do that. Two calls to APPLE support, which is [05:48] schestowitz [05:42] > always excellent, did not help. Three days later it restored itself and I was [05:48] schestowitz [05:42] > happy to have it back.no questions asked, somewhat like a hostage [05:48] schestowitz [05:42] > situation where all are released unharmed and the perpetrator surrenders to [05:48] schestowitz [05:42] > police. [05:48] schestowitz [05:42] Sounds like a product was faulty though. [05:56] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:56] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:56] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:58] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:59] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Jan 19 [06:05] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:05] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [06:05] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:05] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:07] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@joseon-gg9bvo.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:38] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:38] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@zd9ersed554wu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 19 [07:00] schestowitz-TR did you see the Twitter report against me? [07:00] schestowitz-TR I think it shows that the idea of not posting in Twitter as means [07:00] schestowitz-TR or protecting the account is an invalid idea [07:00] schestowitz-TR people even report tweets from years ago [07:00] schestowitz-TR like that trans person who two years later complained that I merely [07:00] schestowitz-TR mentioned a past name [07:00] schestowitz-TR and then twitter forced me to delete this [07:00] schestowitz-TR and then had me banned for like a day [07:01] Techrights-sec gm [07:01] Techrights-sec more software updates here today [07:01] Techrights-sec I skimmed the post [07:01] Techrights-sec yep [07:01] Techrights-sec twitter uses the trolls as a pretext to enforce an agenda [07:01] Techrights-sec if you intend to keep the account the bans need to be fought otherwise the [07:01] Techrights-sec automatic 5-strikes-and-delete will kick in [07:01] Techrights-sec It's a waste of time of course but that is one of the attackers' goals [07:01] activelow fought how? [07:04] schestowitz-TR exactl;y [07:04] schestowitz-TR no way [07:04] schestowitz-TR their "appeal" system is just box-ticking exercise [07:04] schestowitz-TR they don't get back to you [07:04] schestowitz-TR and there is nobody to speak to [07:04] schestowitz-TR when fsfe (I think) made an invalid comoplaint [07:04] schestowitz-TR I responded with a challenge [07:04] schestowitz-TR nobody responded [07:04] schestowitz-TR same with the OSI 7-ay ban [07:05] schestowitz-TR *day [07:05] schestowitz-TR twitter does not respond [07:05] schestowitz-TR they help false reporters [07:05] Techrights-sec FSFE is part of several problems, one is that they play along with twitter [07:05] Techrights-sec to help enemies of software freedom in general and not just against you or TR [07:14] Techrights-sec However it is important to document, both within and outside of twitter, and [07:14] Techrights-sec inform twitter users both of the attacks and of better means of following. [07:14] Techrights-sec Twitter, like the other social control media fora, is not a service for [07:14] Techrights-sec communication. [07:14] Techrights-sec It is very important to hammer that last point home. [07:20] Techrights-sec There is a lot of wishful thinking and such among social control media users, [07:20] Techrights-sec mostly denial in the classical addiction context. [07:20] schestowitz-TR ack\ [07:20] schestowitz-TR trying to rationalise the abuser/abuse [07:20] schestowitz-TR "bad actors" [07:26] Techrights-sec that too [07:26] Techrights-sec xxx [07:26] Techrights-sec ^wrong paste delete [07:26] Techrights-sec highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/ [07:26] Techrights-sec anyway, many if not most social control media users are badly addicted [07:26] Techrights-sec [sychologically and will see past all kinds of problems in order to continue [07:26] Techrights-sec the addictive behavior: [07:26] Techrights-sec https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in- [07:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in- ) [07:27] Techrights-sec addiction [07:27] Techrights-sec And, yes, the interfaces are designed for addiction, though the euphemism [07:27] Techrights-sec "engagement" is often used. It is the polar opposite of usability and [07:27] Techrights-sec to a certain extent accessibility. [07:27] Techrights-sec https://www.azureacres.com/addiction/articles/stages-denial/ [07:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.azureacres.com | Stages of Denial | Santa Rosa & San Francisco | Azure Acres [07:27] Techrights-sec most are engaged in self-deception to keep the addictive behavior going [07:29] schestowitz-TR re "highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/" it is completely broken in librewolf 94 flatpak [07:29] activelow cannot use any of the services: twitter, facebook, youtube. none of the www browsers i got support those anymore (netsurf, badwolf, lynx, links) [07:29] schestowitz-TR good [07:29] schestowitz-TR that's a -plus [07:30] schestowitz-TR speaking oif which, google plus is dead [07:30] schestowitz-TR people who "laboured" there lost everything [07:30] schestowitz-TR even "friends" [07:32] activelow by coincidence the material i search for and read is not affected: wikipedia (except authoring), the real software development sites [07:32] schestowitz-TR not a coincidence [07:41] activelow my complaint, about the social control mass media: they affect my live and the surrounding society, even when i refrain from all of it [07:41] activelow i have never used any android/ios smartphone, except some ancient blackberry when working for an ISP to receive SMS alerts [07:42] activelow nonetheless, i am surrounded by a mob which coordinates and agitates on social control media, a software industry which dictates the labor market [07:44] activelow although i program and hack almost everyday, i am treated as a total misfit on labor "market" [07:46] activelow the corporations, are dictating "standards" and business habits i fundamentaly disagree with [07:47] activelow no offense towards "web developers", programmers; however telco engineering is occupied with mathematics, most of it done with pencil and paper [07:48] activelow imagine this, some computer scientist, who couldn't program with any programming language. [07:49] activelow i mean, wasted weeks to learn java and object oriented programming, in parallel to all the "trivial" maths during my studies [07:50] activelow if i had known, 15 years later, i decided to ditch Java entirely, after i wasted some more years with J2EE programming for example [07:51] activelow and nowadays, i shall explain why "apps" aren't any progress, WASM isn't neither [07:52] activelow sorry, got some time to spare, tracked down some more gcc-4.7 related compilation errors and wait for another one to finish [07:54] activelow in germany FSFE seems to be a party politics outlet of german liberals, the FDP, who occupy ministry of education since the last election [07:55] activelow they arranged for gigantic funding of "digitalization" of education; they wouldn't at least know what it is, "digitalization", which isn't some arbitrary buzzword [07:56] activelow to push sales of consumer electronics in schools, where this mindset doesn't belong [07:56] Techrights-sec "people who "laboured" there" == sharecroppers [07:57] activelow digitalization, by definition is *only* this: signal processing, the _sampling_ (specific type of measurement) of a signal [07:58] activelow pulse code modulation and sigma-delta modulation are two methods of sampling a signal [07:59] activelow although, "digitalization" is a term void of any definition too if the analog parts are missed ● Jan 19 [08:00] activelow that's why, legacy gear and protocols are exciting, because 56K modems and earlier with their modulation schemes and protocols are documented ● Jan 19 [09:06] Techrights-sec https://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/sharecropping/ [09:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pbs.org | Sharecropping | Themes | Slavery by Another Name | PBS [09:18] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [09:32] activelow ^ "feudalism" (which isn't identical to capitalism); although history books are in error with the description of feudalism too [09:36] activelow according to theory, in return for feudal privileges, landlords supposedly provided safety and protection (including military force); in reality often farmers were drafted to die on the battlefields themselves instead of the landlords [09:54] activelow this is one explanation of the anabaptist movement (german peasants war), and their migration to north america: to flee from mandatory military drafts [09:57] activelow reminds me when i quit, which wasn't directly related, however raised my suspicion further after 1990, the iraq war (year 2004) and involvement of germany and with it Telekom as supplier of military and intelligence [09:58] schestowitz-TR 1. new version of mumble is out [09:58] schestowitz-TR 2. I bypassed the oldkey on our instance of it last night to test I can access it [09:58] schestowitz-TR OK [09:58] schestowitz-TR 3. afaik, it's a lot safer than landline [09:58] activelow then, i stumbled upon OpenBSD project, who publicly questioned the involvement of software projects with military and politics [09:59] Techrights-sec better sound quality that pseudo landlines too. [09:59] schestowitz-TR activelow: yes [09:59] schestowitz-TR and it lost darpa funds over it [09:59] schestowitz-TR theo condemning iraq war ● Jan 19 [10:52] Techrights-sec The new cert is in ~gemini/mumble.txt [10:52] Techrights-sec but if you've logged in then it's already updated in the client [10:53] schestowitz-TR thanks, speaking gemini, the only remaining things to fix is the logging (as a background service) and around midnight I will check i if git updates OK [10:53] schestowitz-TR *midday [10:54] Techrights-sec I'm going to move my main computer back to devuan, will probably unavailable [10:54] Techrights-sec fpr a bit; ok I will check the gemini logging later today then [10:54] Techrights-sec that was a unit file (systemd) problem [10:54] Techrights-sec back in a while [10:54] schestowitz-TR ok ● Jan 19 [11:08] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:10] *psydroid4 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:10] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:22] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:25] *rianne (~rianne@joseon-jhg.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:36] schestowitz x https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-vs-code-server-on-almalinux-rocky-linux-8/ [11:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.how2shout.com | How to Install VS Code-Server on AlmaLinux | Rocky Linux 8 - Linux Shout [11:45] activelow another peculiar detail, about iraq war: there hasn't been any dispute about the fact Saddam deployed chemical weapons in 1980s [11:45] activelow instead, year 2004, "peace activists" began to argue there wasn't any of those weapons to justify an intervention [11:49] activelow "controlled opposition", and instead of asking who the suppliers were and why, "peace activists" argued there wasn't any to begin with, which was an outrageous distraction [11:50] activelow because, Saddam did possess those, and too they were deployed against population [11:52] activelow similar situation with most "eco activists", who perpetuate argument under "false flag", "controlled oppostion" [11:55] activelow anyway, the propaganda outlets distracted from the question, who had supplied the weapons, and why; and anyone who argued those weapons existed was errornously identified as supporter of the USA war agenda, remarkable twist [11:56] activelow because, those weapons did exist, were deployed, and still posed a threat (libya? and elsewhere) ● Jan 19 [13:06] Techrights-sec now "just" tidying up [13:06] Techrights-sec mozilla did not bring in /any/ settings from the earlier profile(s) [13:06] Techrights-sec lz4jsoncat was needed to get at the old bookmarks :( [13:07] schestowitz-TR when restoring the pi I wondered if on that too I should move to librewolf, their OS comes only with cough cough chrom(ium) [13:11] Techrights-sec chromium does not seem available, at least in the default repositories, [13:11] Techrights-sec so I guess I am locked out of some sites for now [13:11] schestowitz-TR i often say, [13:11] schestowitz-TR things that do not support xyz [13:12] schestowitz-TR might be worth avoiding anyway [13:12] schestowitz-TR because xyz is not good anyhow [13:12] Techrights-sec yeah, best to skip those sites anyway [13:12] schestowitz-TR it woiuld be wrong to compar this to Occam's razor [13:12] schestowitz-TR but I have another thing in mind [13:12] schestowitz-TR like "bullshit filter" [13:12] schestowitz-TR or some other term I cannot quite recall [13:14] Techrights-sec ack [13:14] schestowitz-TR the same is true for people, as a social aspect [13:14] schestowitz-TR as in, if person x is y [13:14] schestowitz-TR then better to avoid person x to avoid y [13:15] schestowitz-TR i've just spoken to my parents for over an hour [13:15] schestowitz-TR even if there's some element of BS in some things [13:15] schestowitz-TR they are still parents [13:15] schestowitz-TR so the typical rules do not apply :-) [13:36] Techrights-sec $ systemctl --failed [13:36] Techrights-sec shows agate-tcpdumper.service as expected but also plymouth [13:37] schestowitz-TR yup, I can see that now [13:38] schestowitz-TR i have an unimportant queestion: [13:38] schestowitz-TR on the older system or OS, would that have worked? [13:39] schestowitz-TR or [13:39] schestowitz-TR asked another way: if we had that backed up fully, would OS upgrade [13:39] schestowitz-TR result in this same conundrum? [13:39] Techrights-sec I think one of the variants would have worked, but bullseye is in place [13:39] Techrights-sec and has a longer time before EOL so it's better to find a work-around [13:40] schestowitz-TR if rianne gets another raspi4 (for her VPN), then maybe I'll try to make a better backup routine which keeps a "hot spare" of sorts [13:40] schestowitz-TR we are all still using debian 10, since start of 2020 [13:42] schestowitz-TR the starting point would be an exact clone of the existing microsd card, and then deviate away from that, e.g. for another hostname and some other services like strongswan/ipsec [13:43] Techrights-sec the impotant part of the hot spare is the removable media. It'd be easy [13:43] Techrights-sec to have mirroring as part of the backup routine. [13:43] Techrights-sec The existing system can be rsynced to a removable USB stick [13:44] schestowitz-TR given the low cost of cards we might even decided to cycle onto a new one every y [13:44] schestowitz-TR eat and use the "old" one as possible fallbacks [13:44] schestowitz-TR the cost of both the card and thr hardware make this approach attractive,m I thin [13:44] schestowitz-TR k [13:44] schestowitz-TR as time costs more than "money" [13:46] schestowitz-TR better yet, with a clone of the system and another piece of hardware you can dry- [13:46] schestowitz-TR test and configure things ona test system before taking it "live" [13:46] schestowitz-TR e.g. dist-upgrade [13:47] Techrights-sec yes, then the working drive can just be moved around [13:47] schestowitz-TR at a later date, maybe weekend, I will to clone the whole system to the 32GB USB stick that I bought [13:48] schestowitz-TR the pi can have both USB and microsd inserted at the same time, and based on what I read and saw firsthand it can boot from either, so no downtime needed [13:49] Techrights-sec I'd try experimenting with reserving a little space on the USB stick then [13:49] Techrights-sec at the same time. Yes, boot from one or the other, the priority is set [13:49] Techrights-sec using raspi-config [13:52] schestowitz-TR yay, git ui over gemini:// is back to working and updating as before [13:52] schestowitz-TR i planned to check after midday, was having phone as a dictrating factor [13:52] schestowitz-TR (i can speak on the phone while posting lesser technical news picks at the same [13:52] schestowitz-TR time without getting awfully confused) [13:52] Techrights-sec advanced options -> A6 boot order [13:52] Techrights-sec multitasking is usually inefficent and more often than not introduces errors [13:52] schestowitz-TR yes, but when it comes to posting the "less important" and RSS-based political news I don't mind making slight errors here and there [13:55] schestowitz-TR those are mostly a "classification" task [13:56] schestowitz-TR murray's article about the prison experience is very long, detailed, and interest [13:56] schestowitz-TR ing [13:56] schestowitz-TR the one upside of putting a good writer in jail for 4 months with a notebook [13:58] Techrights-sec ack [13:58] Techrights-sec some sorting can be done with minimal thought but it can still distract [13:58] Techrights-sec from the call [13:58] Techrights-sec mouse clicks are usually very loud on the phone too [13:58] Techrights-sec yes, though given the political nature of his incarceration I was surprised [13:58] Techrights-sec that they allowed him a notebook or allowed one so easily. ● Jan 19 [14:00] schestowitz-TR in belmarsh there are harsher restrictions [14:00] schestowitz-TR assange complained that before appearance in court [14:00] schestowitz-TR he was denied even access to his own notes [14:00] schestowitz-TR the vault7 leaker (alleged) showed how much more degrading it is [14:00] schestowitz-TR in the US system [14:00] schestowitz-TR but his access to the media was close to nothing [14:00] schestowitz-TR so you have to go by what people said he had uttered in court [14:01] Techrights-sec yes, although assange's computers (notes and defense) were all confiscated [14:01] Techrights-sec and turned over to his prosecutors. Belmarsh has also moved him to and from [14:01] Techrights-sec the court area in such a manner as to avoid him being able to hear his supporters [14:01] Techrights-sec outside the prison. [14:02] schestowitz-TR stripped-searcherd him repeatedly [14:02] schestowitz-TR as if he must have soime weapon under those clothes [14:02] schestowitz-TR those "geeks" with their "hacking" skillz [14:02] Techrights-sec "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride" [14:02] Techrights-sec "they ain't /my/ peers" [14:02] Techrights-sec etc [14:03] schestowitz-TR mr goolag has meanwhile done nothing since November [14:03] schestowitz-TR all bark, no bites [14:04] Techrights-sec I don't expect him to reform. I suppose he is still in IRC? [14:04] schestowitz-TR yes, studying his next target or something... [14:06] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:06] schestowitz-TR but imho hard work for money he does not need [14:06] schestowitz-TR limits his capacity to spend time lying, attacking [14:06] schestowitz-TR threatening and playing crybully [14:06] schestowitz-TR enslaved by expectations that incapacitate him [14:07] Techrights-sec ack [14:07] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@5tp7bay4r63ik.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:08] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) [14:13] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@5qfh8ygvjx3sy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 19 [15:12] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 19 [17:42] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:42] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:51] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@zd9ersed554wu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:51] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [17:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@649vp4tpz9j66.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:57] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@649vp4tpz9j66.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 19 [18:34] schestowitz-TR 12 years ago I wanted to get rid of email completely [18:34] schestowitz-TR nowadays I just try to lessen reliance on it [18:34] schestowitz-TR for one thing, each time I send a message I assume it's [18:34] schestowitz-TR harvested and saved for decades [18:34] schestowitz-TR because it is so economic compared to [18:34] schestowitz-TR something such as landline call [18:35] Techrights-sec I think that GMail blockes GMX and many others. [18:43] Techrights-sec Landline, and mobile, calls [18:43] Techrights-sec are very low depth and sample rate. So they take very little space for audio, [18:43] Techrights-sec compared to music or other types of sound. That is probably easily combined [18:43] Techrights-sec with voice recognition and automated transcription. IIRC 8-bit mono at 8KHz [18:43] Techrights-sec sample rate. [18:44] schestowitz-TR yes, but that is less computationally cheap, less reliable, and I believe would be subjected to more blowback (if people discover all calls are processed and indexed in this fashion) [18:48] Techrights-sec I thought that was established as going on and that;s what the large data centers [18:48] Techrights-sec out west were for? [18:48] Techrights-sec However, the phone metadata is almost as valuable. In some ways it is more [18:48] Techrights-sec valuable because it takes far less space and is already machine readable without [18:48] Techrights-sec further processing. [18:49] schestowitz-TR I know about retention of such data, but to trigger processing I think you need to be on one of the lists, at least for landlines ● Jan 19 [19:02] Techrights-sec Perhaps. I am not familiar with the reports from a few years ago any more. [19:02] Techrights-sec However, since so much of it can be automated , I would think it covers nearly [19:02] Techrights-sec everybody especially since the threshold for being on a "list" is quite low. [19:02] Techrights-sec https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re [19:02] Techrights-sec aders-get-flagged-extra-surveillance [19:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re ) [19:03] schestowitz-TR even for the list above, iirc it refers to Internet tracking rather than converting calls to text, indexing them, then assigning NSA "analystt" to study the "threat' [19:04] schestowitz-TR btw, roblimo (rip) had served as NSA aorker [19:04] schestowitz-TR prior to the taxi and Linux stuff iirc [19:06] Techrights-sec I would look at the material Bill Binney reported on. [19:06] schestowitz-TR Stellar Wind or something newer? [19:07] Techrights-sec [19:07] Techrights-sec and John Kiriakou [19:07] Techrights-sec nothing "new" but there was a lot more he said and wrote than what the [19:07] Techrights-sec mainstream press even hinted at [19:09] Techrights-sec Also Thomas Drake. FISA is basically ignored. [19:09] schestowitz-TR today's media spurns sources [19:10] Techrights-sec and spurns facts, they love opinions and give them equal or more weight than [19:10] Techrights-sec empirical facts [19:10] schestowitz-TR buzzwords [19:10] schestowitz-TR the clown [19:10] schestowitz-TR "smart" [19:10] schestowitz-TR "confidential computing" [19:10] schestowitz-TR etc. [19:10] schestowitz-TR they don't want investigators [19:10] schestowitz-TR they want more spamnils [19:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:26] Techrights-sec yes as you've pointed out repeatedly, stenographers ● Jan 19 [21:31] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). 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