●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, September 19, 2021 ●● ● Sep 19 [00:32] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [00:32] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@mxduvgnfsfagg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 19 [01:06] schestowitz > -------- Forwarded Message -------- [01:06] schestowitz > Subject: [SFD-announce] Happy Software Freedom Day 2021 [01:06] schestowitz > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 19:13:16 +0700 [01:06] schestowitz > From: Frederic Muller - DFF [01:06] schestowitz > Reply-To: sfd-discuss@sf-day.org [01:06] schestowitz > To: SFD announcements [01:06] schestowitz > [01:06] schestowitz > Dear all! [01:06] schestowitz > [01:06] schestowitz > We want to wish you a happy Software Freedom Day 2021 and hope [01:06] schestowitz > everything will go as planned! [01:06] schestowitz > [01:06] schestowitz > We stepped in the Christchurch event in New Zealand earlier today and [01:06] schestowitz > were very impressed with their Jitsi set up, using the Jitsi free public [01:06] schestowitz > offering. [01:06] schestowitz > [01:06] schestowitz > We are still seeing teams registering as we're writing this email so [01:06] schestowitz > 2021 should be a good sign of what we can do individually during times [01:06] schestowitz > like this. And celebration can definitely postponed should you not have [01:06] schestowitz > had the time or the opportunity to organize for today! [01:06] schestowitz > [01:07] schestowitz > Hopefully we are going to strengthen up our team very very soon and [01:07] schestowitz > provide better support for the other upcoming celebrations. [01:07] schestowitz > [01:07] schestowitz > In the meantime you can check all the current events on our SFD map at [01:07] schestowitz > https://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/index.php?year=2021 and browse [01:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.softwarefreedomday.org | SFD 2021 Map: Find an event in your area! [01:07] schestowitz > the wiki at https://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2021 should you not find [01:07] schestowitz > any team in your area. [01:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.softwarefreedomday.org | 2021 - Software Freedom Day Wiki [01:07] schestowitz > [01:07] schestowitz > One of the good sides of this year is that most events are virtual, and [01:07] schestowitz > like us, you can probably find one within your time zone and in your [01:07] schestowitz > language. [01:07] schestowitz > [01:07] schestowitz > SFD remains one of the events with the most represented languages and [01:07] schestowitz > places in the world and we should be proud of that! [01:07] schestowitz > [01:07] schestowitz > Thank you all for your continuous participation and happy SFD! [01:07] schestowitz > [01:07] schestowitz > Fred [01:07] schestowitz > -------------------------- [01:07] schestowitz > Digital Freedom Foundation [01:10] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/dabus-ai-inventor-or-emperors-new.html?showComment=1631784240234#c778651050158977895 [01:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | DABUS: An AI inventor or the Emperor's New Clothes? - The IPKat [01:10] schestowitz " [01:10] schestowitz Thank you for the article, highlighting the dubious nature of this endeavor. [01:10] schestowitz As I wrote before on Kluwer, there are a lot of questions... [01:10] schestowitz Why should an "AI" be able to be an inventor, but not an animal (often far more intelligent than any known "AI")? [01:10] schestowitz Where is the line between a "normal" CAD program optimizing a solution and an "AI" inventing a solution? Should all CAD-programs now be inventors? Would any given number of parallel copies of DABUS be able to invent the same solution concurrently? Then Mr Thaler could apply for patents for the same solution from DABUS1, DABUS2, ..., DABUSn? [01:10] schestowitz For me, most telling is that Thaler & Co want its "AI" to be an inventor, but don't see it necessary for the "AI" to assign the rights to the invention to them. And what happens if the "AI" terminates its employment-contract and signs onto a new employer? [01:10] schestowitz To me, all this doesnt make sense. I hope PETA, the Humane Society or similar will sue Mr. Thaler when he switches off DABUS. And I assume that HAL and Eddie the Shipboard Computer see it similarly - the thoughts of Marvin on this might be too depressing... ;-) [01:10] schestowitz " [01:11] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/09/dabus-ai-inventor-or-emperors-new.html?showComment=1631803218584#c715743065408047731 [01:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | DABUS: An AI inventor or the Emperor's New Clothes? - The IPKat [01:11] schestowitz " [01:11] schestowitz US law links inventorship to an act of conception of an invention. I'm not an AI expert but I'm sceptical that an AI is capable of "conceiving" anything. I prefer the notion that the inventor is the one that reviews the output of an AI and, stimulated by that output, then performs an act of conception of an "invention". [01:11] schestowitz And then there's a further act of conception, namely that which occurs when the drafter of a patent claim "conceives" that abstract "concept" which finds expression in the draft claim. [01:11] schestowitz Has all this been said before? Is it trite? Or is it a reasonable way to visualise and then manage the contributions to the art made by an AI of ordinary skill in that art? [01:11] schestowitz " [01:37] *activelow (~activelow@vf9uspfbqtzpu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 19 [03:43] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Sep 19 [04:49] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:51] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:54] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [04:57] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 19 [08:09] Techrights-sec power went out for < 1 s this morning [08:09] schestowitz-TR2 Did I miss something in the buffer? [08:09] Techrights-sec Other than that, no. [08:11] Techrights-sec The Gemini mirror of the wiki is somewhat improved, see: [08:11] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/wiki/A_Critic%27s_Free_Software_Dictionary/ [08:14] schestowitz-TR2 This link works now. I checked others with ' in them - those still are "page now found" [08:18] Techrights-sec Yes, the cron job only upates from RSS so if the pages have not been updated [08:18] Techrights-sec then they will not get replaced in the miirror. There are 22. [08:19] schestowitz-TR2 Oh, I see, so we need to update several per day? [08:21] Techrights-sec Perhaps. It might be just as quick to make a script. [08:21] schestowitz-TR2 some of these are just antitrust exhibits, so edits can be a whitespace [08:25] schestowitz-TR2 now much this weekend in terms of articles because of the anniversary [08:25] schestowitz-TR2 *not [08:31] Techrights-sec Congratulations again. [08:31] Techrights-sec Any trips planned for it or did you take any yesterday? [08:32] schestowitz-TR2 No, we went through a long list of options and decided they're all too risky (infection risk) [08:33] Techrights-sec Makes sense. I read that things are bad also there. [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 bbiab ● Sep 19 [09:56] Techrights-sec ok the wiki mirror should be updated. I made a list of the directories in [09:56] Techrights-sec question and parsed it to a two-column list of the HTTP address in the wiki [09:56] Techrights-sec and the destination path on the file system. Then:while read u p; do echo $u; echo $p; echo; curl $u | [09:56] Techrights-sec ./gemini-get-and-convert-wiki-from-html.pl -w $p -;done < data.txt [09:56] Techrights-sec That was just a one-off, but in the permanent script, some use wget and [09:56] Techrights-sec some use curl. Should we choose just one, if so which? [09:57] schestowitz-TR2 I think we can file everything in git, as it might come in handy in the future, e.g. if we export a large chunk of data into the wiki. It's good that we already depend a lot less on php. [09:58] schestowitz-TR2 but importantly, those pages are being increasingly accessed and if we can help bring more users to gemini, than we improve the Net, not just TR [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 *then [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 today I plan to upload some photos. I think about doing an epo video, but it's tempting to also cover mozilla testing bing as default (but that's just experimental; I reckon they won't do it at the end) ● Sep 19 [10:06] Techrights-sec Defaulting to bing is such harmful idea that they should not even talk about [10:06] Techrights-sec it, it's not going to fool anyone, eve Google, and if they go through with [10:06] Techrights-sec it they will lose quite a bit of what's left of their user base. [10:06] schestowitz-TR2 yes, maybe like with yahoo! 7 years ago they just play hard to get with google to set the price higher [10:06] Techrights-sec A lot of harmful talk is coming out of Mozilla staff lately. They've done [10:06] Techrights-sec nothing to become independent from Google / Alphabet and becoming more [10:06] Techrights-sec dependent on M$ is a worse option, since there will be more strings attached. [10:06] Techrights-sec Overall the projecvt seems badly mismanaged for quite a few years. [10:10] Techrights-sec Yahoo fell victim to M$ via it's operative, Icahn. [10:10] Techrights-sec It could have done well but for the gutting he ensured. [10:10] Techrights-sec https://www.networkworld.com/article/2280482/icahn-to-yahoo--sell-to-microsoft-for--49-5-billion.html [10:10] Techrights-sec That was a few years ago now. [10:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.networkworld.com | Icahn to Yahoo: Sell to Microsoft for $49.5 billion | Network World [10:48] Techrights-sec back in a bit ● Sep 19 [11:19] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@e5ifhyuxg6s7y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:45] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [11:46] *activelow (~activelow@h29stqv8ereqe.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 19 [12:16] schestowitz = [12:16] schestowitz x https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2021/09/17/your-brand-needs-to-be-on-twitter-here-is-why/ [12:16] schestowitz x https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2021/09/17/instagram-why-it-is-the-best-social-media-platform-for-marketing/ [12:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-moderndiplomacy.eu | Your brand needs to be on Twitter, here is why - Modern Diplomacy [12:16] schestowitz # spam [12:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-moderndiplomacy.eu | Instagram: Why It Is the Best Social Media Platform for Marketing - Modern Diplomacy [12:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 19 [17:50] schestowitz-TR2 I am going to awap the "split" file in... for IPFS [17:50] Techrights-sec It can use a loop. [17:54] schestowitz $ diff complete-index-split-old.sh complete-index-split.sh [17:54] schestowitz 20c20 [17:54] schestowitz < awk '{print "* " $0}' txt | grep ' techrights-' | sed 's/ techrights-/ TR /' | sed 's/TEXT.*$//' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [17:54] schestowitz --- [17:54] schestowitz > awk '/ techrights-/{sub( techrights-/," TR "); sub(/TEXT.*$/,""); print "* " $0}' txt >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [17:54] schestowitz 24c24 [17:54] schestowitz < awk '{print "* " $0}' txt | grep -v ' techrights-' | sed 's/[(].*$//' | sed 's/ irc-log-/ /' >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [17:54] schestowitz --- [17:54] schestowitz > awk '!/ techrights-/ {sub(/(.*$/,""); sub(/ irc-log-/," "); print "* " $0}' txt >> /home/gemini/gemini/ipfs/index.gmi [17:54] schestowitz we'll see what happens tonight.... rollback or change can be done easily ● Sep 19 [18:00] Techrights-sec Which user does that script run under? [18:03] Techrights-sec Back when I was xxxxxx, I should have used Git in the xxxx and [18:03] Techrights-sec had the xxxx submit all their assignments, or at least the xxxx [18:03] Techrights-sec exercises, via Git. [18:11] schestowitz-TR2 running the site is 'upskilling' (buzzword). BTW, my latest video (encoding now) was ruined by a colleague now picking up the phone. About half an hour in it was buzzing again and again like 5 separate times until I gave up and ended the video early. It was about Microsoft+EPO. [18:11] schestowitz-TR2 *not picking [18:21] Techrights-sec A lot of phones will accept a timed profile change, such as a silent mode [18:21] Techrights-sec or a buzz- or chirp- only mode. 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