●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, December 19, 2022 ●● ● Dec 19 [00:51] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:54] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 19 [01:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Dec 19 [04:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Dec 19 [05:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@v2n247qi8j3ag.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 19 [06:46] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:57] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-0f6.v9l.3o03ln.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 19 [07:47] techrightssec2 ack [07:48] schestowitz-TR "This website is becoming increasingly polluted by MS. I come here to read about Linux and Free Software!" http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36810/ [07:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LXer: MS Pollution: Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Microsoft Planner [07:48] techrightssec2 ack [07:49] schestowitz-TR thankfully TM never did this [07:49] schestowitz-TR susan did not, either [07:49] schestowitz-TR nor does marius [07:49] schestowitz-TR he's a "no bullshit" writer [07:58] techrightssec2 ack [07:58] techrightssec2 That is /very/ important. [07:59] schestowitz-TR he also started saying gnu/linux some years ago [07:59] schestowitz-TR I think it's my fault [07:59] schestowitz-TR in fact, this year I see more people adding "gnu" [07:59] schestowitz-TR and that's a big deal [07:59] schestowitz-TR as the brand linux now means microsoft and maps and all sorts of crapo [07:59] schestowitz-TR *crap ● Dec 19 [08:04] techrightssec2 Well, GNU/Linux does contrast with Systemd/Linux :/ [08:04] schestowitz-TR i hope some people can 'take' from the current 'series' some lessons that they find applicable to their [08:04] schestowitz-TR present or past experiences [08:04] schestowitz-TR I reckon many of these things are almost universl in IT [08:04] schestowitz-TR so it helps to communicate the patterns [08:05] techrightssec2 That can be an additional reason to consider a part-time, remote job since it [08:05] techrightssec2 would provide contact with a situation where the technology is applied and [08:05] techrightssec2 can serve (accurately or inaccurately) as a base line. [08:08] schestowitz-TR regarding systemd [08:08] schestowitz-TR noticed how almost nobody talks about that ior LP@Microsoft anymor [08:08] schestowitz-TR business a s usual, let the cancer spread to more cells in the system tree [08:08] schestowitz-TR but anyway, they are fighting the EEE from the inside [08:08] schestowitz-TR and it seems like any "true" user understands this [08:08] schestowitz-TR shame lxer is playing along with thew Microsoft Tims of the world [08:08] schestowitz-TR they alienate their own audiences [08:08] schestowitz-TR a day ago we were at the front page there [08:08] schestowitz-TR I did not even notice [08:08] schestowitz-TR very little traffic in relative terms [08:08] schestowitz-TR apachetop says 15 ml hits since it was started less than 50 days ago [08:08] schestowitz-TR 7 TB [08:09] techrightssec2 Yes, many see LP now officially on M$ payroll and realize what he had been doing [08:09] techrightssec2 all along but are still subdued about saying anything. [08:09] techrightssec2 I would guess that alienating those specific audiences is one of the goals of M$ [08:09] techrightssec2 Remember "killed two Mac conferences by injecting Windows into it" (paraphrased) [08:11] schestowitz-TR after 12 years with firsthand experience almost every day I can take a little break [08:11] schestowitz-TR I think there's lots of important stuff to write about technology [08:11] schestowitz-TR and there is no urgency for income, we're not broke like Sirius [08:11] schestowitz-TR they could finish things amicable, but the brain works like crodile [08:11] schestowitz-TR with fake tears [08:11] schestowitz-TR royally fucked it up [08:11] schestowitz-TR and they KNOW it [08:11] schestowitz-TR i had no intention of writing anything [08:13] techrightssec2 ack [08:13] techrightssec2 The more M$ crap is injected into FOSS sites, the faster those sites lose their [08:13] techrightssec2 audiences and thus their raison d'tre and from that their funding. [08:13] schestowitz-TR yes, not just sites [08:13] schestowitz-TR also companies [08:14] schestowitz-TR there are companies that used to be FOSS [08:14] schestowitz-TR then came along microsoft [08:14] schestowitz-TR docker comes to mind as one [08:14] schestowitz-TR csn you imsgine voolunteers with gps going out there to map for OSM now? [08:14] schestowitz-TR who would they be working for? Jeff bezos and Bill Gates? See the Lunduke article too [08:16] techrightssec2 Checking [08:16] techrightssec2 I recall that M$ sued TomTom because the latter had failed to see the value [08:16] techrightssec2 in EXT2 or XFS. [08:16] techrightssec2 "the founder (FOSS guy) was ousted" [08:16] techrightssec2 a common occurance [08:16] techrightssec2 ^ topic ? [08:17] schestowitz-TR docker got more or less superceded [08:17] schestowitz-TR the founder (FOSS guy) was ousted [08:17] schestowitz-TR and they put a total jerk in charge [08:17] schestowitz-TR taking the company to the cleaners [08:17] schestowitz-TR and more proprietary [08:18] schestowitz-TR I spoke to the founder in twitter [08:18] schestowitz-TR where he was still trying to defend the company pushing as proprietary 'surplus' [08:18] schestowitz-TR he meant well [08:18] schestowitz-TR but his ownerrs ($) controlled him [08:18] schestowitz-TR like the rust companies control Torvalds [08:20] schestowitz-TR bottom line: if you let in the money (e.g. VC, "patrons", "sponsors") those with the money will call the shots [08:20] schestowitz-TR you yourself might be rendered a mascot [08:20] schestowitz-TR as a person of senimental worth [08:20] schestowitz-TR sometimes staying "Smaller" means lasting longer [08:20] schestowitz-TR greedy people want big returns, FAST [08:20] schestowitz-TR and they are sociopaths [08:20] schestowitz-TR they don't care who did all the work, who started the thing erc. [08:20] schestowitz-TR *etc. [08:20] schestowitz-TR see bakkt+zemlin [08:20] schestowitz-TR or, for that matter, James Zemlin [08:35] techrightssec2 Zemlin works against LF and Linux despite is position. Really his situation [08:35] techrightssec2 renders him ineligible to even work there in any capacity, but he or someone [08:35] techrightssec2 like him is what m$ wants so they can destroy it from the inside as well as [08:35] techrightssec2 the outside [08:38] schestowitz-TR afaik, osdl's cohen was the same [08:38] schestowitz-TR but they kissed him goodbye and left [08:38] schestowitz-TR after he had shilled microsoft office [08:38] schestowitz-TR endorsed the microsoft-novell patent collusion [08:38] schestowitz-TR and even went to visit redmond [08:38] schestowitz-TR I can find the refs for that [08:41] techrightssec2 References for that would be good to revisit in the context of current day's [08:41] techrightssec2 LF and Zemlin's antics and Zemlin's conflicts of interest. [08:46] schestowitz-TR you know, I could never get to the bottom of where cohen is today [08:46] schestowitz-TR iirc, he formed some conultancy calles CIS or similar [08:46] schestowitz-TR and the media did puff pieces for it [08:46] schestowitz-TR it went nowhere [08:46] schestowitz-TR and after that he's totally off the radar unless career//name changed [08:46] schestowitz-TR soirt of like the guy who "invented" ODF [08:46] schestowitz-TR still has a twitter account though [08:46] schestowitz-TR durusau [08:47] techrightssec2 Probably in Redmond [08:47] techrightssec2 Yes it would be very, very interesting to find out what M$ did to Durusau to [08:47] techrightssec2 break him. [08:47] techrightssec2 He's probably under several NDAs about that himself. [08:48] schestowitz-TR it foes not look like he swins in money [08:49] schestowitz-TR *does not [08:49] schestowitz-TR based on his online presence [08:49] schestowitz-TR but he fell to obscurity [08:49] schestowitz-TR like bbyfield, mgj, and countles other useful idiots, as the Soviets called them [08:49] schestowitz-TR christine hall also vanished [08:50] techrightssec2 Only after she too was crushed [08:52] schestowitz-TR in what sense? did I miss some online event? [08:52] schestowitz-TR though credibility had been lost for years [08:52] schestowitz-TR on a number of moral grounds [08:52] schestowitz-TR and "force" became "corporate power" [08:53] techrightssec2 Didn't she soften on M$ before fading away? [08:53] techrightssec2 Also health issues stopped Ken Starks, after an otherwise good run: [08:53] techrightssec2 https://fossforce.com/2021/11/ken-starks-hangs-up-his-spurs-at-reglue/ [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | Ken Starks Hangs Up His Spurs at Reglue - FOSS Force ● Dec 19 [09:21] techrightssec2 "Fediverse encourages status games by enabling such moves." [09:21] techrightssec2 gemini.circumlunar.space/users/shufei/phlog/20221217-Misc-Tech-AisAndMen.gmi [09:21] techrightssec2 Quite a rambling post though [09:21] techrightssec2 ● Dec 19 [11:06] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:25] techrightssec2 [11:25] techrightssec2 This site will be redone any week now: https://switchedtolinux.com/ [11:25] techrightssec2 and will be, at least initially, soliciting articles. A general-audience [11:25] techrightssec2 introductory primer to software patent and the current political state [11:25] techrightssec2 might have a lot of impact there in reaching many people who might not [11:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-switchedtolinux.com | Switched To Linux | Why I switched to Linux OS [11:25] techrightssec2 necessarily find their way to TR [11:27] schestowitz-TR I never spoke to him before, but he gets many links from both TM and TR [11:27] schestowitz-TR our articles are CC or similar [11:27] schestowitz-TR so he can 'lift' any of them with attribution [11:27] schestowitz-TR maybe you want to reach out to him? [11:27] schestowitz-TR The foregone conclusion is, if you don't have your own site and/or domain name, [11:27] schestowitz-TR somebody else bosses you [11:32] schestowitz-TR temps jumped about 15 degrees in just 24 hours [11:32] schestowitz-TR need to do some repair tomorrow, not huge a job [11:32] schestowitz-TR but productivity will increase ● Dec 19 [12:01] techrightssec2 It'd be more a matter of writing such an article and seeing abouut possibly [12:01] techrightssec2 cross-posting [12:02] schestowitz-TR yes, somebody wants to do that with TR soon [12:13] schestowitz-TR the www is changing [12:13] schestowitz-TR 1980s: write books, get them into libraries/unis [12:13] schestowitz-TR later: write web pages [12:13] schestowitz-TR now: social media crap [12:13] schestowitz-TR but that too is ending [12:13] schestowitz-TR at each step the quality goes down [12:13] schestowitz-TR as the access barrier is lower [12:13] schestowitz-TR which means crap like disinfo geats through by the truckloads [12:14] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:25] techrightssec2 One of the main purposes of social control media has been the dissemination of [12:25] techrightssec2 disinformation and confusion., unfortunately, and it has been that way from its [12:25] techrightssec2 first begining. Surveillance is just a distraction and only a prerequisite for [12:25] techrightssec2 the disinformation. [12:26] schestowitz-TR are you sure that is not just a side effect? [12:26] schestowitz-TR and centralisation the main objective? [12:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@uvxvchtayzkvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:58] techrightssec2 Maybe at the very, very beginning it was not so, but the ability to maniuplate [12:58] techrightssec2 opinions at scale became very noticable. Either way, it's about control and [12:58] techrightssec2 centralization is a primary method for achieving that. [12:59] schestowitz-TR Moving on from Twitter https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/12/moving-on-from-twitter/ "Mastodon links are still completely blocked though. For now, I will still be pointing you to follow us in other places." [12:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Moving on from Twitter | GamingOnLinux ● Dec 19 [13:00] schestowitz-TR TR was a little ahead of the curve ;-) [13:00] schestowitz-TR never started [13:00] schestowitz-TR myself - I left in February-ish [13:00] schestowitz-TR my "write-only" account [13:00] schestowitz-TR before there was a rush to the door ;-) [13:06] techrightssec2 :) [13:06] techrightssec2 Good timing for that. [13:07] schestowitz-TR we wrote many things about why people should quit twitter [13:07] schestowitz-TR even before musk placed a big [13:07] schestowitz-TR not just after [13:07] schestowitz-TR so those aged well [13:07] schestowitz-TR /s/big/bid/ [13:13] techrightssec2 Software patents are threat to general software usage, but the FOSS community [13:13] techrightssec2 is the canary in the coal mine so to speak since many are more aware of [13:13] techrightssec2 licensing than joe sixpack or his tiktok-numbed kids. [13:17] schestowitz-TR posting text from your text editor into someone else's server/computer = clown computing [13:17] schestowitz-TR there are ways to keep the local copies, just in case [13:17] schestowitz-TR imho, there are better ways [13:17] schestowitz-TR wikis might be ok is there is a circle of reputable people [13:17] schestowitz-TR without an incentive to sabotage and mislead [13:17] schestowitz-TR irc is also for a clique of people are are not there for a fight [13:17] schestowitz-TR daemonfc treats it like a diary spacem unfotunately [13:19] techrightssec2 Wikis fall victim to a similar problem as youtube, at least on the technical [13:19] techrightssec2 site of things: for each item there are ever-growing layers of storage needs [13:19] techrightssec2 since all the diffs are retained. [13:33] schestowitz-TR wiki cahnges can be easily compressible [13:33] schestowitz-TR one lessons learned last year from freenode and again this year from twitter [13:33] schestowitz-TR banning people is just the start [13:33] schestowitz-TR it might feel good at first [13:33] schestowitz-TR having no blog posts reduces the change of heckling [13:33] schestowitz-TR or astroturfting by "elizabeth from microsoft" [13:33] schestowitz-TR sorry, I mean, having no blog comments [13:33] schestowitz-TR ------------------------------------- [13:36] techrightssec2 ack [13:42] schestowitz-TR sorry to be going on a tangent (sometimes I want to also type thing but worry it would exceed the [13:42] schestowitz-TR buffer that you can see, but then it's likely nothing urgent or important) [13:42] schestowitz-TR when it comes to time management, you could classify social control media as "big phat waste of time" [13:42] schestowitz-TR but it's hard to see at the time [13:42] schestowitz-TR it's like game addition [13:42] schestowitz-TR you feel a sense of temporary accomplishment [13:42] schestowitz-TR but only in hindsight, in retrospect, you realise some games you played in teh 90s were meaningless [13:42] schestowitz-TR and the grade you got in subjectx x y and z in first, second, even 6th grade don't matter even 0.001% [13:42] schestowitz-TR to your adult life [13:42] schestowitz-TR so when it comes to comments, it's somewhere there near social control medioa [13:42] techrightssec2 ack [13:42] schestowitz-TR because comments you types in digg 15 years ago are gone for good [13:42] schestowitz-TR nobody ever will go to wayback machine to find them [13:43] schestowitz-TR and some blog comments in old blogs are likely only on some old hard drive of the person who took it offline [13:43] schestowitz-TR (if at all) [13:43] schestowitz-TR same for identi.ca [13:43] schestowitz-TR all gone [13:43] schestowitz-TR so then you start to value libraries and books [13:43] schestowitz-TR but they too are going away, kaka "digitised" [13:43] schestowitz-TR i.e. reduce to some electric charge on some low-grade, cheaply-made semi conductors/magnets [13:43] schestowitz-TR now they last even shorter times... not magnetic tapes [13:43] schestowitz-TR optical (CD-ROM) isn't so bad in comparison, with CRC built in [13:44] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [13:48] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-3c8.0s5.s7a581.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:53] techrightssec2 CD-RW and CD+RW can last some years but only in good storage conditions. [13:53] techrightssec2 Light, heat, and air pollution all shorten the life span significantly. [13:54] schestowitz-TR I have never tested that systematically [13:57] schestowitz-TR i have a very different approach ● Dec 19 [14:01] schestowitz-TR every 10 or so years whole directories of stuff can be "archived" away into multiple drives [14:02] schestowitz-TR i still have it in my todo to check some old mp3 file that I suspect went bad on only one of the drives [14:14] techrightssec2 Only if the drives themselves do not flip any bits and that gets *much* harder [14:14] techrightssec2 to avoid with the high densities we have on the market nowadays. [14:26] techrightssec2 Maybe BtrFS has that capability too, not just OpenZFS, but I got the idea [14:26] techrightssec2 somehow that BtrFS is not quite production ready and safe enough for [14:26] techrightssec2 preservation. [14:27] schestowitz-TR largew and complex file systems might not enjoy adoption [14:27] schestowitz-TR by users [14:27] schestowitz-TR and by developers [14:27] schestowitz-TR so 10 or 20 years down the line support might drop [14:27] schestowitz-TR like with reiserfs after about 15 years [14:35] techrightssec2 The OpenZFS is quite well though of but an employee at Sun made a point of [14:35] techrightssec2 putting it under a license which she chose for the sole purpose of being [14:35] techrightssec2 incompatible with the GPL. It has gotten wide spread adoption by the FreeBSD [14:35] techrightssec2 crowd simply because they choose to ignore licenses and pretend they don't exist [14:35] techrightssec2 just like Canonical does when it decided to work with OpenZFS. Most if not [14:35] techrightssec2 all of it has gone under at least one full refactoring so it could have been [14:35] techrightssec2 re-licensed ship-of-theseus-style. But the developers, as amazingly technically [14:35] techrightssec2 proficient as they are, just roll over and accept a dreadful license. Then [14:35] techrightssec2 the distros and systems using OpenZFS simply, in turn, also turn a blind eye to [14:35] techrightssec2 the licensing and the blockage it creates. [14:42] schestowitz-TR in SN, the number of people who contribute seems to be decreasing [14:42] schestowitz-TR reversing this trend can be very difficult [14:42] schestowitz-TR judging by other site [14:42] schestowitz-TR then the wind is not in the sails [14:42] schestowitz-TR and key people might "move on" [14:42] schestowitz-TR in lxer, they also shot their own foot with microsoft "content" [14:42] schestowitz-TR phoronix may be next [14:42] schestowitz-TR almost all comments oppose this [14:42] schestowitz-TR and systemd [14:42] schestowitz-TR michael shoudl take a clue [14:42] schestowitz-TR microsoft trolls are not legit POVs [14:42] schestowitz-TR they are like black people who complain about words that I never saw anyone black complaining about [14:42] schestowitz-TR (i'm sure some exist, maybe a fringe) [14:42] schestowitz-TR likely corporations tryigng to rile people up and cause strife [14:42] schestowitz-TR russia trolls in twitter did in fact do this [14:42] schestowitz-TR they take divisive issues and then amplify the most extreme POVs [14:42] schestowitz-TR for infighting [14:43] techrightssec2 Astroturfers and paid shills can do a lot of damage simply because they are [14:43] techrightssec2 not on the radar for too many people. In some forums, they make up 90% of the [14:43] techrightssec2 comments, when the comments are sourced. :( [14:43] techrightssec2 Yes, that is a play right out of the playbook: amplify division and extreme [14:43] techrightssec2 view. It happens in all forums that I have seen, and seems to be the main [14:43] techrightssec2 activity of social control media because rage feeds 'engagement' and thus [14:43] techrightssec2 the shills end up getting full backing by the algorithm designers/tuners. [14:44] schestowitz-TR it is grossing out people [14:44] schestowitz-TR until some choose not to come back anymore [14:45] techrightssec2 Yes, grossingthem out is the goal. [14:48] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:55] schestowitz-TR "Back in 1981, when Ronald Reagan was sworn in and implicitly promised to destroy our government" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/12/18/dying-phase-reaganism-and-its-hideous | Source: Common Dreams [14:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | This Is the Dying Phase of Reaganismand It's Hideous | Thom Hartmann ● Dec 19 [15:10] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:26] techrightssec2 ack [15:26] techrightssec2 https://showmethefacts.com/us-federal-debt-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-2012/ [15:26] techrightssec2 Grover Nordquist even had other politicians sign their names to a list [15:26] techrightssec2 backing sedition and openly stating the goal of tearing the country down. [15:26] techrightssec2 It went unprosecuted. 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