●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Saturday, March 20, 2021 ●● ● Mar 20 [01:40] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [01:53] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 20 [02:54] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:57] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [02:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 20 [05:21] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:22] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Mar 20 [06:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [06:54] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 20 [08:38] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20329264#81c12a006b840139eb0252540039b762 [08:38] schestowitz__ "your website could meet basic internet standard by using https" ● Mar 20 [09:12] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [09:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 20 [10:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [10:26] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:43] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [10:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 20 [12:32] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:47] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [12:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [12:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:56] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:56] Techrights-sec Then a SOCKS5 proxy can be run using -D and SSH [12:56] Techrights-sec just be sue to also set "Proxy DNS when using SOCKS v5" under network settings [12:56] schestowitz__ looking into this now ● Mar 20 [13:08] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:11] schestowitz__ I may need some guidance. I'm in, I assume port forwarding now works [13:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:16] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [13:17] Techrights-sec yes port forwwarding works [13:17] Techrights-sec you can use the -D option with ssh as per above [13:17] Techrights-sec then create an extra profile for firefox by launching ff with the -P option [13:17] Techrights-sec in the new profile, set the SOCKS proxy to match the above [13:17] Techrights-sec then set it to route DNS over the SOCKS proxy. [13:17] Techrights-sec if done in the new profile this will leave your normal profile unaffected [13:17] Techrights-sec then go to beta.techrights.org [13:17] Techrights-sec inside the new FF profile [13:18] schestowitz__ at the moment I am in the new profile, with the settings done right afaik, I tried reaching the address over localhost, domain name, plus some port numbers [13:18] schestowitz__ I am not sure if port forwarding works yet, just by virtue of ssh beta [13:19] Techrights-sec There are a lot of hardcoded navigation links, I am trying to track down [13:19] Techrights-sec the source if it is ccentralized. [13:20] Techrights-sec yes, the portforwarding should be in place with the above shortcut [13:20] Techrights-sec to 'ssh beta' [13:23] schestowitz__ I think I need to enter more proxy settings, assuming port forwarding is in place [13:25] Techrights-sec in the new FF profile: Edit->Preferences->General->Network Settings [13:25] Techrights-sec Then manual proxy: SOCKS Host 127.0.0.1 port 3050 [13:25] Techrights-sec Then set "Proxy DNS when using SOCKS v5" [13:25] schestowitz__ now it works! [13:25] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:26] Techrights-sec Excellent [13:26] Techrights-sec Many of the navigation links are hard-coded however. [13:26] Techrights-sec The material is current as of 18 Mar [13:26] Techrights-sec So a few days are missing but it has enough to play with [13:26] schestowitz__ OK, what is the plan? You go first, I will follow up... [13:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:27] Techrights-sec The good new is that the database can be restored from backup. [13:27] Techrights-sec THere are some other files not yet restored though. [13:28] Techrights-sec I'm not sure, I was thinking to use it like this to work out a [13:28] Techrights-sec methodology for exporting to either Jekyll or Hugo. [13:28] schestowitz__ is Ghost any good? [13:28] Techrights-sec I'm not sure. I'd have to read up on Ghost [13:28] schestowitz__ OK, here is my take: [13:31] schestowitz__ 1. Given the tough circumstances, external entirely to me, I think I did good diplomacy work. In fact, we're not currently at risk. In fact, with the IRC under new mod we've silenced some forms of nuisance and are managing to keep more on topic. I can elaborate on ths [13:32] schestowitz__ (but generally, we're OK now... though it never hurts to have fallback)... still typing... let me finish please to ensure I don't lose train of thought [13:32] Techrights-sec Ghost is javascript [13:32] Techrights-sec ok [13:33] schestowitz__ 2. Static is great for archiving, e.g. sites or site components that never change anymore, e.g. Groklaw [13:33] schestowitz__ 3. in Techrights things change further down at the bottom, still, but there's value in the form of archival etc. because files are better than opaque DBs [13:34] schestowitz__ (sometimes I even correct some old posts, e.g. broken links or images) [13:34] schestowitz__ 4. serving the site from multiple http/s source is a good thing, assuming all are trusted and more or less in sync [13:35] schestowitz__ Barring HA, it's possible to use subdomains [13:35] schestowitz__ 5. rather then beta we can have "static" [13:35] schestowitz__ 6. when there is expectation of high load or ddos we can link to static [13:36] schestowitz__ 7. if static host is down, we can change dns to just link to main (dynamic) IP [13:37] schestowitz__ 8. gemini is fine in one place, lupa/boris is having a knock on it today (my program keeps sending me alerts from the CLI), mostly because it's not heavily used [13:37] schestowitz__ owing to tc, I can now run ipfs 24/7 and rianne is rather astounded that it's still running as she never 'feels' it and the LEDs tell us what's going on (it's alerting us if ipfs daemon goes down) [13:38] schestowitz__ so http/s is what we have left to deal with, at the very least to have fallbacks in place and redundancy in case it becomes needed for whatever reason [13:39] schestowitz__ we have multiple options at hand [13:39] schestowitz__ considerations [13:39] schestowitz__ 1) if static goes 'down', will links be broken? [13:40] schestowitz__ answer: we can keep URL structure consistent and then redirect one domain/subdomain to another [13:41] schestowitz__ 2) will we be able to offer something like 'secure.techrights.org' over https with minimalist layout, maybe deuan/opebsd, and more hacker-friendly as "option"? [13:41] schestowitz__ answer: it's doable, but then we have more things to maintain. In theory a VM is the latter can be added later to the main server [13:43] schestowitz__ 3. wordpress, for many reasons, would still need to be used. Changing CMS 'midway' would remove the integrity among hosts, cause issues like RSS feeds becoming deprecated. Shelving and starting afresh with a new CMS is how many sites commit suicide [13:43] schestowitz__ What are your thoughts? [13:47] Techrights-sec static is easier to mirror across multiple low-resource servers [13:47] Techrights-sec that helps with loadbalancing as well as availability [13:47] Techrights-sec The site is a few years overdue for an OS upgrade. [13:47] Techrights-sec That is the barrier to adding TLS [13:47] Techrights-sec I'm not sure how much would be lost moving to Hugo [13:47] Techrights-sec it would have RSS as far as I can tell and the old pages would be imported [13:47] Techrights-sec to it [13:47] Techrights-sec Again, it could be mirrored across low-powered machines around the net [13:47] Techrights-sec what that would look like is not quite known thus this test machine , [13:47] Techrights-sec which is available through April [13:48] schestowitz__ Has any work been done yet with the static site generator. I spent 20 mins looking through the FS and could not quite decipher or see major changes. I did not look deep though [13:49] Techrights-sec whatever the layout, whether through wordpress or hugo, the os needs updating [13:49] Techrights-sec properly and that would be a good time to tidy apache2 and stop using a [13:49] Techrights-sec catchall-user account [13:49] Techrights-sec I've only put wordpress in place, and that only partially, [13:49] schestowitz__ OK "let's go crazy"(R) and think very laterally: [13:50] schestowitz__ starting with the basics: [13:50] schestowitz__ "What do we do? what do we want? HOW do we do it? Where do we go?.... etc etc" [13:51] schestowitz__ thinking aloud, nowadays we leverage cheaper storage and high bw to do more videos, which seem to be well received by people stuck at home with fast connections, not in transit on a 'phone' [13:51] schestowitz__ (still typing) [13:52] schestowitz__ we soon have 30,000 blog posts, the Drupal site never changes anymore (it's stale,~/index is just a front end for the RSS feed), wiki is mostly lists of links [13:53] schestowitz__ wordpress is LTS and secure for now, but any upgrades of wordpress itself would give that awful (I hear) Gutenberg with JavaScrpt shitshow [13:54] Techrights-sec (the wiki is a separate matter / technology) [13:54] schestowitz__ the wiki sw is rather outdated, but very few people have account there and can do anything TO it [13:54] schestowitz__ redoing the site, as "beta" tends to suggest, is risky [13:55] schestowitz__ because you fundamentally change a lot of things and may be making wrong assumption about editing, reading, syndication etc. [13:56] schestowitz__ this is also an issue with TM; it's well designed and optimised for what it does not. Any upgrades would mean starting over and throwing tons of stuff away. [13:56] schestowitz__ *what it does NOW [13:57] Techrights-sec 'beta' was just an arbitrary name 'scratchpaper' would be more descriptive [13:58] schestowitz__ with multiple http/s (Sub)domains there's lots that can be achieved ● Mar 20 [14:02] schestowitz__ OK, here is a thought [14:04] schestowitz__ what about a 'hacker-friendly' version of the site, akin to gemini but https? [14:04] schestowitz__ not sure what it would entail maintenance-wise [14:08] schestowitz__ [I missed whatever was typed a minute or two before that disconnection, not sure whose side was at fault] [14:11] Techrights-sec not sure but you disappeard fro mthe system completely############################# [14:11] Techrights-sec as far as site go, mirroring is good but mulitple editions are not [14:11] Techrights-sec doing the gemini mirror is work but for now worth the tradeoff [14:12] schestowitz__ I think it's important to keep a maste^H^H^HMAIN copy of the site for layout reasons and backward compat (15 years) [14:27] schestowitz__ to do (for me): [14:27] schestowitz__ or rather, me giving myself a TODO list [14:27] schestowitz__ not suggesting anyone else should do it :-) [14:27] schestowitz__ 1) find out how well static site generators are at making pages that work with old browsers [14:28] schestowitz__ 2) how vibrant their development is (don't want to work hard moving to abandonware [14:29] schestowitz__ 3) how they've coped with very large sites (the only examples I saw are some dev blogs with about 100 pages/nodes) [14:29] schestowitz__ gemini space mailing list lost some momentum lately, not sure why... https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/ [14:32] Techrights-sec I'd look at Hugo first among the sattic site gnerators [14:32] Techrights-sec (the gemini list is now moderated, I don't know how detailed, [14:32] Techrights-sec but the bs was getting thick before and driving people away) [14:33] schestowitz__ The BS means people wasting time on demoralising BS instead of doing real work like projects; it harms in two ways, at least... time drain and morale. In IRC things were distressing for some people, kaniini is happy with how things are now [14:34] Techrights-sec (that is the goal of the griefers) [14:55] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) ● Mar 20 [15:18] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [15:19] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 20 [16:24] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:27] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [16:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [16:37] Techrights-sec jumping from PHP5.4.x to PHP 7.3.x will entail a lot of small tidying [16:37] schestowitz__ are you trying it now? [16:52] Techrights-sec yes, I am experimenting a bit. There are a lot of loose ends. [16:53] schestowitz__ I've long wondered about LAMP compatibility with whatever programs we use, as any version change can introduce some issues that aren't immediately visible. Software moves too fast and "breaks stuff" [16:54] Techrights-sec PHP 5.4 is not available in the newer distros [16:54] Techrights-sec Only PHP 7.3 is [16:55] Techrights-sec WordPress is now at 5.7 and has some backend database changes [16:55] Techrights-sec if it is as it looks [16:56] schestowitz__ I stayed with pre-Gutenberg LTS [16:56] Techrights-sec WHich # is that? [16:58] schestowitz__ 3.9.* https://wordpress.org/download/releases/ [16:59] schestowitz__ I see that even 3.7.* is still being maintained, we'll see when they abandon those and why ● Mar 20 [17:03] Techrights-sec a lot of the pluins have become terrible along the way [17:04] schestowitz__ Some of the plugins we've long relied on, e.g. for referencing, might not be compatible anymore. Techrights is so insistent on keeping backward compat but Tech in general moved fast with little or no regard to what it breaks. Sometimes it's a business mode.. [17:05] Techrights-sec well the difficult sticking point will be to keep PHP 5.4 around [17:06] schestowitz__ when we cannot work around such limitations, such as patching along the way and using workarounds (like with Drupal 6, still supported with some patches) we can go static, then start alongside the "old" stuff archived. Groklaw must be getting long in the toooth. [17:08] Techrights-sec unfortunatley groklaw did not archivce the comments. my guess is that they [17:08] Techrights-sec ran a spider and forgot to expand the nested comments in the process [17:11] Techrights-sec some of the sites for the plugins are so javascriptified that they [17:11] Techrights-sec themselves don't work and the plugin source is unavailable [17:11] Techrights-sec wordpress claims to be able to fetch the source but it wants to be able to [17:11] Techrights-sec login using FTP to the server. That's infeasible with any firewall and [17:11] Techrights-sec 100% bullshit from an all around quality, performance, and security perspectivce. [17:18] schestowitz__ I never let autoupdates on TR. I assess the risk if there is a security patch and manually apply. [17:20] Techrights-sec That's one risk. The other is that the remote system is logging in with [17:20] Techrights-sec the credentials and data epxosed in cleartext, unencrypted. It would be [17:20] Techrights-sec childs play to intercept and re-use. Or with a little bit of effort and skill [17:20] Techrights-sec it would be quite feasible to inject data, if the will is there to do so. [17:21] Techrights-sec Maybe the when the old PHP 5.4 and WorPress 3.9 die, that part of TR [17:21] Techrights-sec can be scraped and saved like Groklaw. Then the new articles can be in [17:21] Techrights-sec something else. [17:21] Techrights-sec . [17:21] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2013/10/31/wordpress-automatic-update/ [17:24] schestowitz__ I think what we discuss here is worth exploring in broader contexts too, given microsoft.pgp on pi devices and other such nonsense MSM never talks about (or mentions properly) [17:26] Techrights-sec rats, I had a very important thought today about RPi but can't remmber. [17:26] Techrights-sec It was on par with their key scam. [17:27] schestowitz__ I told rianne when companies do something in response to critics they NEVER admit this. As it shows weakness. [17:27] schestowitz__ It looks like Serge Schnieder and co. are doing some face-saving damage-limiting moves (8 days ago)? [17:28] Techrights-sec Yeah but RPF has not fired the microsofters that caused the damage to [17:28] Techrights-sec their reputation and their market. [17:28] schestowitz__ should we do article/video about that? I have time... [17:29] Techrights-sec Perhaps, but what has been missed about RPF which is hiding in plain sight? [17:29] schestowitz__ dunno, you tell me... [17:30] Techrights-sec I am trying to remember.... [17:30] schestowitz__ no rush, I've not even finished posting the links yet :p-) [17:33] Techrights-sec and it is almost beer o'clock [17:33] schestowitz__ earlier on I was thinking super-laterally: [17:34] schestowitz__ like, what if the delivery was the site was 're-invented' somewhat? [17:34] schestowitz__ beating in mind idiots like SPAMnil and Lunduke that do everything as "just video" but lack the capacity to self-host [17:35] schestowitz__ *bearing in mind [17:35] Techrights-sec how so? what kind of delivery? [17:35] schestowitz__ I don't know what kind of delivery, that's the hard part [17:37] Techrights-sec video is hard for many to keep up with [17:37] Techrights-sec it reaches many too, but different groups with some overlap [17:37] Techrights-sec putting the videos /also/ in odysee or lbry might be an idea, with [17:37] Techrights-sec pointers back to TR on WWW or Gemini [17:38] schestowitz__ outsourcing to clown isn't needed when we have the capacity (for now) to self-hosting even hundreds of long videos. The problem is that your subscribers are then controlled by a third party [17:40] Techrights-sec spamnil has been bullshit for many years and even before that [17:40] Techrights-sec there were red flags [17:40] Techrights-sec lunduke has a couple of good posts every year or so but filler in between [17:40] Techrights-sec I wasn't thinking of soley publishing via "clown" but using it as a mirror [17:40] Techrights-sec site. Just a though, maybe not a useful thought though. [17:40] schestowitz__ 1. takes time 2. takes effort (not ssh workflow) 3. puts comments outside our site/turf 4. censorship a risk 5. limits/upselling/ToS changes 6. contrary to what we preach about self-reliance [17:41] Techrights-sec #6 is very important, enough to veto the idea on its own [17:42] schestowitz__ I used social control media myself, after tmanco urged me to [17:42] schestowitz__ very, very time-consuming and now a propaganda (non-linear) workflow/timeline/BS screen time clutter-fuck [sic] [17:43] schestowitz__ social control media= instant gratification, albeit very short term [17:43] schestowitz__ 15 seconds of fame, years later site shuts down with tags, comments, etc. [17:44] schestowitz__ digg's lesson (killed off everything), then statusnet/identica [17:44] Techrights-sec social control media interaction is about "engagement" which is a euphemism [17:44] Techrights-sec for killing time unproductively [17:44] Techrights-sec Correct. [17:46] Techrights-sec On the topic of WordPress, I'm not really finding any plugins available for [17:46] Techrights-sec direct (or indirect) download. [17:46] Techrights-sec Digg sucked. They banned all coverage of ODF early on yet gave all kinds of [17:46] Techrights-sec boosts to MOOX [17:46] schestowitz__ Digg predated Twitter and Reddit, maybe came after myspace (have not checked) [17:47] schestowitz__ I was ranked 17 there, but cliques dominated what trended [17:47] schestowitz__ anyway, this chat is quite productive, I think [17:48] schestowitz__ but to move on to what we have at hand, which is inherently strategic and more worthy than just typing away: [17:49] schestowitz__ it looks like we won't be renewing gym membership, at least not soon, so I have the capacity to record things more and spend time on long form pieces, not memes and Twitter no longer wastes my time [17:54] Techrights-sec Some of the plugins in use have not been tested for the new version of WordPress [17:54] Techrights-sec Again, the question now becomes how to get the old version of PHP for the [17:54] Techrights-sec newer versions of the distros. [17:54] Techrights-sec Be sure to increase general movement then. Just getting up every 15 minutes is [17:54] Techrights-sec important for sustained online work. [17:54] Techrights-sec Twitter (like other social control media) wastes a lot of time. It's not [17:54] Techrights-sec available now but many younger people get their exposure to the web via it [17:54] Techrights-sec and the model their later design work based on misplaced priorities about [17:54] Techrights-sec engagement instead of usability or efficiency [17:54] Techrights-sec Then there is the bandwidth question when each "tweet" takes a few MB for [17:54] Techrights-sec only a few characters of data and a few more of metadata. [17:54] Techrights-sec It's like anti-usenet [17:54] Techrights-sec The plugin "Google (XML) Sitemaps Generator for WordPress" has no working [17:54] Techrights-sec download links anywhere I can find. [17:54] schestowitz__ 1. those are built to addict. 2. engagement is improperly measured (not time, so long means same unit) 3. re plugins and php, I've long imagined it would require us making archival of some kind (when all options have run out), maybe same for TM, then start afresh and combined the new and old [17:55] schestowitz__ few of the wordpress plugins are enabled and in active use anymore [17:56] schestowitz__ muktware (now aka TFIR) is now a joke with barely 50 views on blog posts and all the "videos" (spam/PR) outsourced to Goooge (let me get to the point:) [17:56] schestowitz__ it's an example of sites trying to 'reinvent themselves' (LinuxVeda, The Mukt) only to dig themselves deeper down the ground... [17:58] schestowitz__ so if TM and TR become "modern" like "Smart"/"App"/"mobile-friendly" that risks alienating people and breaking things, needs careful consideration. Some sites 'relaunch' only to die, faster. [17:59] schestowitz__ sometimes high-level decisions from people who fail to understand the sites and the community that makes them worth a F ● Mar 20 [18:05] Techrights-sec Few sites benefit from the addiction (engagement) model, even [18:05] Techrights-sec if their own developer are not aware of that. [18:05] Techrights-sec back in a while ● Mar 20 [21:57] schestowitz__ Any word if Putin is shutting down child trafficking twitter in Russia? Or is All of Russia now the Hells Angels territory? #truth #meme #maga #freedom #politics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=883kU6MFG1A [21:57] schestowitz__ 'Any word if Putin is shutting down child trafficking twitter in Russia? Or is All of Russia now the Hells Angels territory? #truth #meme #maga #freedom #politics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=883kU6MFG1A" [21:57] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1220111954702139392?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1220111954702139392:0:0:0:1220119261594943488 [21:58] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1218216195183112192?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1218216195183112192:0:0:0:1218223246633811968 [21:58] schestowitz__ "Gates somewhat systematically debunked - a healthy, critical approach avoiding unnecessary conspiratorial clap-trap." [21:59] schestowitz__ Nice! Totally doable. [21:59] schestowitz__ The PDP7 only had 16 instructions. So those could be build out in 7400 series TTL. : ] [21:59] schestowitz__ My favorite is the Linc/PDP8. It had 8 instructions total... Very small and compact CISC instruction set. [21:59] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1216092393339027456?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1216092393339027456:0:0:0:1217554184671457280 [21:59] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1217475793474654208?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1217475793474654208:0:0:0:1217513800395866112 [21:59] schestowitz__ "Not surprising that Bloomberg is connected to this study. Surprisingly unbiased results I am sure. I am not a partisan believer, or worshipper at the alter of government, but come on, Johns Hopkins gets their medical school funding from Michael Bloomberg. [21:59] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1217164970628386816?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1217164970628386816:0:0:0:1217166306166091776 [21:59] schestowitz__ "Lol 360hz - I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 - but after that it doesn't seem to matter. I think I've read that some people can percieve 120hz - but 360 is a new one lol ● Mar 20 [22:00] schestowitz__ "t also could be a chicken / egg scenario - for years we only had movies at 24-30 fps - and it was generally true that human vision had a norm along those lines - but since refresh rates are getting faster people might be getting better at perception of these high framerates as well." [22:00] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1217095007139880960?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1217095007139880960:0:0:0:1217108249393541120 [22:00] schestowitz__ "my question is why they shot weaponless people" [22:01] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1216088393407295488?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1216088393407295488:0:0:0:1216089531344429056 [22:01] schestowitz__ "I'm a woman and I disagree that the world needs feminist or rather femiNAZI leaders. Many of the problems we face today in the world can be laid at the feet of the femiNAZIS and the evidence in on the streets, in the single parent families, in the foster homes and orphanages. I have had 60 years to observe the progression to this breakdown in families, society and culture, breakdown that women demanded. Don't even think you [22:01] schestowitz__ can tell me I'm wrong. [22:01] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1216135068335407104?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1216135068335407104:0:0:0:1216135773390839808 [22:01] schestowitz__ "Talk to me about Libre Office. I've heard of it as an alternative open-source to Word and maybe even Google docs. How do you feel about it? What do you like about it?" [22:02] schestowitz__ It never forces you to pay again and again or give up on your workflows (just to sell you more) [22:02] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1216740119421374464?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1216740119421374464:0:0:0:1216750244249350144 [22:02] schestowitz__ "This is the problem, seen too many turned off, and edited. There is no point in wearing a camera if it is to be turned off and can be tampered with, even deleted (lost) to avoid incriminating themselves through their regular unlawful, behaviours not limited to malicious deceitful coercion, entrapment, making up laws, assault and battery and unfortunately even murder. I have utmost respect for Police Constables operating under [22:02] schestowitz__ Oath, but not revenue-generating, for-profit, thug mob mentality Police 'Officer' brutes." [22:02] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1216739888631296000?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1216739888631296000:0:0:0:1216751469940400128 [22:02] schestowitz__ "This one pulled from the archives Roy, 8.5 now :)" [22:02] schestowitz__ Yes, I knew [22:03] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1213211834093002752?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1213211834093002752:0:0:0:1217077769761099776 [22:03] schestowitz__ "You could share this here https://www.minds.com/groups/profile/821309203013300224" [22:03] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1214904882345000960?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1214904882345000960:0:0:0:1215069593360121856 [22:03] schestowitz__ "Like the dementia fool had a choice " [22:03] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1215305712081289216?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1215305712081289216:0:0:0:1215305975470211072 [22:03] schestowitz__ "It's almost like they should just cut all taxes below 100k..." [22:04] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1215473426847911936?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1215473426847911936:0:0:0:1215511604570865664 [22:04] schestowitz__ "Sounds like I have a good LAN to look forward to tomorrow." [22:04] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1216033360023015424?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1216033360023015424:0:0:0:1216033708990324736 [22:04] schestowitz__ "They can start by getting rid of the masks" [22:04] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1215920188149018624?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1215920188149018624:0:0:0:1216042357154471936] [22:04] schestowitz__ "YouTube blows" [22:05] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1214780222801272832?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1214780222801272832:0:0:0:1214886300908003328 [22:05] schestowitz__ "This is so criminal, wars only make the elites richer." [22:05] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1214774564780933120?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1214774564780933120:0:0:0:1214889076152320000 [22:05] schestowitz__ "I'd love one of these!" [22:05] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1214906183289556992?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1214906183289556992:0:0:0:1214906830791258112 [22:05] schestowitz__ "General Atomics holds way too much power, will not happen, Biden wouldnt dare stop it. [22:05] schestowitz__ "Do not hold your breathe on that one" [22:05] schestowitz__ "He wont end it, as hes too weak for a strong opinion [22:07] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@techrights.org) has joined #boycottnovell [22:07] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 [22:47] schestowitz__ [Old, problem resolved, safer to publish not to preserve full transparency] [NO, WE have it sorted now... thankfully] [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:00] I think it is probably for the best that we find new infrastructure arrangements for techrights. I really do not think it is good for anyone to feel like they are walking on eggshells over various things that have happened [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:06] i mean, there's no requirement to move in any timeframe, i just think it would be best for our working relationship if your sites were not my responsibility anymore [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:40] for example, your decision to reproduce articles from daniel pocock is a valid editorial decision, but not one i find personally compatible given that pocock is defending someone i know to be a rapist and also harassing friends of mine in debian through e-mail header spoofing and other behavior [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:40] the lack of moderation and general troll cesspool that the IRC channel has become is also a problem [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:41] but this has been somewhat stressful as i feel like i am pulled in multiple directions, do i support my friends who have been raped by applebaum, or do i support the people who attack them [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:42] how can we correct the relationship? what do you suggest we do? [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:42] (just woke up) [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:42] do i support the (until yesterday, lack of) moderation stance of the IRC channel, or do i stand by while white supremacist trolls run wild in IRC [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:43] I do my best to keep things on topic [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:43] we will do a better job at it [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:43] i think i should take a break for a while. i'll just leave things be [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:44] but i question what value any of this has for software freedom [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:44] OK, I suggest letting the mind refresh for a bit [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:44] I do my best to report things [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] it can never be 100% perfect and make everyone happy [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] i don't want to feel like i impose any censorship on techrights [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] I write for many sources who for many years took great risk [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] I am attentive to your feedback [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] yes, and thats what i want to support [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] :-) [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:45] we need to communicate better [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:46] I humbly do my best [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:46] with a small salary to cover basic expenses and all [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:46] I also try to 'police' nonsense in IRC [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:46] like people who came to IRC and spewed out nonsense, they're talked down [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] my co-admin wanted to send you money earlier this year [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] to contribute to the running costs [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] the costs are minimal [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] but still [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] you get lots of pressure and put time into it [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] I want to report things that many sites do not as they perished [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:47] not sure if you noticed [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:48] almost nobody covered freesw anymore [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:48] your generous hosting helped a lot [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:49] what i would like to see is daniel pocock find a different soapbox, and some actual rules on the IRC. [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:49] OK, I will no longer repost him and in IRC we have rules but I will brush them up after a decade [22:47] schestowitz__ [09:49] but i am not "demanding" anything [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:49] currently they ban just for threats to people [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:49] you should do what you feel is right [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:50] the qanon overtones bothered me too [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:50] I just saw that late [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:50] you mentioned that rianne is getting tired too [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:50] we've long discussed internally this whole qanon nonsense [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:50] I wrote 6+ articles to distance myself from that [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] no, rianne is upset by false accusations at me [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] anyway, i have the utmost respect for techrights and what it has historically stood for [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] well, that is part of it [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] i am tired of that too [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] we can cruise past this [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] a lot of people accuse techrights/you of things that aren't true [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] because the ship isn't being run as tight as it needs to be [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:51] so be kind as always to us... and please support us [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] so they are able to quote things [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] out of context [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] and smear techrights [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] we can improve, we always can [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] if that makes sense? [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] we are a "target" because of things we cover that piss off big companies [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] like IBM, which sends PR agents to me [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] when we change moderation it won't be because of you [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] for example, yyyyyyyyyyyy said i said you were qanon-affiliated, when that is not what i said [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:52] but because we face a new kind of "attack" [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:53] i said that the irc channel had qanon content in it (from that Old_Man troll) [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:53] that is true [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:53] yyyyyyyyyyyy also said i was anti-RMS, when the reality is my opinion is far more nuanced [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:53] that's his misunderstanding [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:54] he too is quite new [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:54] mincer is more veteran so to speak [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:54] been here to help us for over 10 years [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:54] yeah mincer and i go back almost 15 years, he knows where i am coming from ;) [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:54] you too know who core people are [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:55] my concern is that these trolls are able to influence techrights as a project though [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:55] he used to send me missing IRC bits when I was on holiday and lost connection [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:55] the influence usually comes encrypted in email [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:55] sources and leakers [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:55] not IRC [22:48] schestowitz__ [09:55] I wish IRC was always on-topic [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:55] hence we talked about the social aspects in the social channel [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:56] i also think mjg59 is not really there to troll you incessantly [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:56] i can explain that if it would help [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:56] he rarely said anything positive, for years [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:56] I later understood why he was so angered by it [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:56] because he brought up his partner [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:56] he sees you as somewhat reactionary [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:57] remember I rarely covered all those "social" aspects until it was forced upon me [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:57] I was always Linux advocacy [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:57] until they try to shut me up [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:57] imposters using my name [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:57] so, something i think that is important to mention [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:57] is daniel pocock is doing that to people [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:58] I won't run his posts anymore [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:58] he has his own blof [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:58] *blog [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:58] and so by publishing his content on techrights, in some cases you may help to expose some fraud at FSFE [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:58] but he doesn't see it that way, he sees that as a soapbox [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:59] in that way, he acquires legitimacy from techrights for his activities [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:59] I will focus on patents and free software, I see anything else brings trouble upon us [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:59] in the same way Oracle acquires goodwill from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx by promising to release "official" JDK for xxxxxxxxxxx systems and then renegging at release time [22:49] schestowitz__ [09:59] its a bait and switch basically [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:00] but, it is a problem too, that these alt-right qanon folks have concluded they are welcome in techrights [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:00] I only see less than a handful of them [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:00] we drove away others who tried [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:00] mostly last year [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:01] yes, i think its important to keep driving away those people [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:01] but i don't have the patience personally [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:01] so i am going to just not (: [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:01] leave that to me [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:02] alright, sounds good. [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:02] thanks! [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:02] but don't just say you agree to shut me up [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:02] if you want to find a different arrangement, i won't be offended [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:02] I always agreed on driving them away [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:02] how far to go was a variable [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:03] we live in a very fucked up time. we have to go as far as is necessary to protect free software from those who would corrupt the movement [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:03] I never said different management, someone I barely know said something like that and I was about to interject and refute that [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:03] also the "anti-RMS" remark [22:49] schestowitz__ [10:03] which was false [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:03] at techrights since 2006 was always focused on corporate power and patent monopoly [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:04] the other "aspects" were sort of thrown at us [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:04] hence I barely talk about my personal life [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:04] the other thing is, i think you fundamentally understand software freedom and are good at pushing the message [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:05] thanks :-) [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:05] was rianne is upset about isn't what you though [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:05] rather, seeing how walls close down on me while I just try to do justice for whistleblowers [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:05] and they don't trust anyone else in that domain (patents) [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:06] well, i agree with your goals to speak truth to power on behalf of whistleblowers [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:06] in this area nobody else does it for them [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] I stay away from 'pure' politics [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] it divides people and leads to abuse [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] i also think that people look to techrights as a voice for how to fight for software freedom [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] we're supported by oliva, RMS and more [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] which is why the alt-right trolls are interested in infiltrating techrights [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] they tried a lot least year [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:07] *last [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:08] and we drove them out [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:08] many people never noticed [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:09] I saw the same used against Wikileaks as an org [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:09] when they published stuff the comments would be stuffed with total nuts [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] I don't want that to happen to us [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] i don't either [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] that's why i speak up [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] imagine what our articles would look like if any random troll could easily leave comments... [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] many news sites have given up [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] and closed them completely [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:10] anon lawyers saying things like "poo" didn't add value to our posts [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:18] well sounds like everything is ok then [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:19] yes, thanks for sharing your concerns with me [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:20] rianne myself and the other server tenant are all very grateful [22:50] schestowitz__ [10:20] we need to stick closer, we have more in common than not in common and I don't do this for money [22:50] schestowitz__ [redacted above, should be safer this way]