●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022 ●● ● Jun 20 [00:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 20 [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:21] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6z3agsjskniuy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:48] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 20 [03:39] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[03:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 20 [06:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 20 [07:13] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [07:24] schestowitz-TR "There is a talent shortage" = there are not enough qualified people in THIS COUNTRY whom we are ready/wiling/able to pay their MARKET VALUE [07:26] Techrights-sec2 1) there are not enough talented people (education has been ruined to prevent [07:26] Techrights-sec2 that [07:26] Techrights-sec2 2) the business are refusing to pay proper market value to such skill [07:26] Techrights-sec2 mostly #2, but not entirely [07:26] schestowitz-TR (2) contributes to either (1) or lowers incentive for people to self-teach etc. [07:31] Techrights-sec2 yes, in some fields, (ICT and to a certain extent CS), self-teaching is the [07:31] Techrights-sec2 *only* path forward. However, that creates a pool of charlatans who are fools [07:31] Techrights-sec2 but possess official papers which businesses, schools, and governments accept [07:31] Techrights-sec2 in place of competency; eventually the frauds, poseurs, and charlatans become [07:31] Techrights-sec2 so pervasive that having any reasonable skill will guarantee unemployment [07:31] Techrights-sec2 and be punished rather than being rewarded. [07:31] Techrights-sec2 "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is in for one hell of a hard time" [07:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jun 20 [08:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:06] schestowitz-TR draft [08:06] schestowitz-TR people with skills alwaysds respresent a threat to thoisae who have none, more so if they're in high poisitions they do not deserve [08:06] schestowitz-TR the issue is not limited to tech/high tech [08:12] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:14] Techrights-sec2 checking [08:14] Techrights-sec2 yes and for the last 25 years 'reality' tv has taught and instigated the [08:14] Techrights-sec2 unskilled to gang up on and tear down the skilled [08:14] Techrights-sec2 it's common in many fields, but is the alpha and omega of tech/high tech [08:14] Techrights-sec2 due to the spread of microsoftianism [08:14] Techrights-sec2 or to look at it from an economic perspective, [08:14] Techrights-sec2 https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/broken-window-fallacy.asp [08:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.investopedia.com | The Broken Window Fallacy Definition [08:14] schestowitz-TR Zemlinism [08:14] Techrights-sec2 those breaking things have ended up with control since money is changing hands [08:14] Techrights-sec2 and they've fooled much of the public and nearly all of the policticians into [08:14] Techrights-sec2 playing their game [08:14] Techrights-sec2 instead of getting real work done [08:14] Techrights-sec2 LARPers [08:14] Techrights-sec2 one of the tricks the policitians use here, and presumably elsewhere, is to [08:14] Techrights-sec2 place inexperiened, underskilled, borerline incomptent people in charge so that [08:14] Techrights-sec2 they 1) know they are in over their heads and therefore 2) are 100% beholden to [08:14] Techrights-sec2 the politician for continued employment [08:14] Techrights-sec2 Zemlin is one example [08:16] Techrights-sec2 https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/391717-steve-jobs-has-a-saying-that-a-players-hire-a [08:16] Techrights-sec2 The effect is pervasive through society and there are not enough skilled [08:16] Techrights-sec2 professionals in enough places for things to run adequately. With further [08:16] Techrights-sec2 decline they will not run at all and, having pulled up the ladder already, [08:16] Techrights-sec2 society will implode without any kind of fallback position to build up [08:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Guy Kawasaki: Steve Jobs has a saying that A players hire A p... [08:16] Techrights-sec2 from again. [08:19] Techrights-sec2 in the draft, perhaps the hypertext for the perens quote ought to be the [08:19] Techrights-sec2 quote itself, rather than the string "said". That would presumably help [08:19] Techrights-sec2 raise the quote in the search engines but more importantly highlight the [08:19] Techrights-sec2 quote within the post itself [08:19] Techrights-sec2 thanks [08:19] schestowitz-TR this post itself is design to maked *designed) it more visible [08:19] schestowitz-TR but I've taken your suggesteion and applied it [08:19] Techrights-sec2 https://html.com/semantic-markup/ [08:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-html.com | What On Earth Is Semantic Markup? (And Why Should You Learn To Write It) [08:56] schestowitz-TR repairs = interactions with people [08:56] schestowitz-TR I wrote about my experiences in Argos (in IRC) [08:56] schestowitz-TR it's still possible to buy things with minimal human interaction [08:56] schestowitz-TR repairs typically mean repeat visits, too (at least 2 unless you bring a book or something) [08:57] Techrights-sec2 the post helps because it highlights an important statement about patents [08:57] Techrights-sec2 the statement is important because it is from Bruce Perens himself and [08:57] Techrights-sec2 because it points out the need for action and where the institutions which [08:57] Techrights-sec2 are supposed to work are actively falling short ● Jun 20 [09:01] schestowitz-TR someone new in irc with the name kate [09:01] schestowitz-TR at first seemed like a troll, but no longer seems like it [09:01] schestowitz-TR are economics on-topic there? [09:02] schestowitz-TR it does have a bearing on tech issues, inc. empoployment matters [09:02] schestowitz-TR it's not as off-putting, either [09:02] schestowitz-TR not as "divisive" [09:02] schestowitz-TR no connection to the kde editor (btw, DT ranked it very low in his rercent video; I think he barely even used it or learned its features) [09:02] schestowitz-TR yesterday I opend kwrite by accident [09:02] schestowitz-TR I used it around 2003-4 [09:02] schestowitz-TR now kwrite is officially deprecated iirc, as of months ago [09:02] schestowitz-TR kate also got a feature I liked nedit for [09:02] schestowitz-TR in kde neon (latest plasma) [09:02] schestowitz-TR it is called "block selection mode" [09:02] schestowitz-TR nedit already had that more than 20 years ago [09:02] Techrights-sec2 as in the editor? [09:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:13] schestowitz-TR bbl, running to feed birds, it's sunny today and not hot (~20) [09:13] schestowitz-TR working tonight, then off work till weekend [09:14] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 20 [12:59] schestowitz-TR "Recent blood studies on the continent show up to 65% of people in Africa have been infected with COVID-19." https://adf-magazine.com/2022/06/nigeria-offers-many-covid-19-lessons/ [12:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-adf-magazine.com | Nigeria Offers Many COVID-19 Lessons - Africa Defense Forum [12:59] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- adf-magazine.com | Nigeria Offers Many COVID-19 Lessons - Africa Defense Forum ● Jun 20 [13:00] schestowitz-TR "New studies suggest that bits of COVID-19 can linger in a patients gastrointestinal system for months after the person is infected." https://adf-magazine.com/2022/06/ghost-covid-19-fragments-may-stay-in-stomach-for-months/ [13:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-adf-magazine.com | Ghost COVID-19 Fragments May Stay in Stomach for Months - Africa Defense Forum [13:00] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- adf-magazine.com | Ghost COVID-19 Fragments May Stay in Stomach for Months - Africa Defense Forum [13:00] schestowitz-TR took 30+ months to figure that out? [13:06] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:06] Techrights-sec2 SARS-CoV-2 was vastly underreported in all of Africa; [13:06] Techrights-sec2 there was a lot of disinformation about it apparently, too, like [13:06] Techrights-sec2 elsewhere, but tailored for regional populations [13:34] schestowitz-TR mojito and lime today [13:34] schestowitz-TR we've finally finished all the alcohol in the house, for first time since 2014, I think [13:34] schestowitz-TR making more room for food storage [13:34] schestowitz-TR given that prices go up [13:34] schestowitz-TR and we have the space [13:34] schestowitz-TR breakfast was outside today, I might soon have some mild tan (good for videoe, I suppose) [13:34] schestowitz-TR but I need more topics worth covering [13:34] schestowitz-TR I'm perpetually at a shotage for them [13:34] schestowitz-TR ota [13:57] schestowitz-TR done, it was about edge and msie [13:57] schestowitz-TR any comments on that? I can add to the text [13:57] schestowitz-TR no draft yet, I am typing it now having fgionisahed thr recording [13:57] schestowitz-TR *finished [13:58] Techrights-sec2 checking [13:58] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:58] Techrights-sec2 be sure to touch on https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-fact [13:58] Techrights-sec2 as well as the metastacization that will leave bits of MSIE embedded in [13:58] Techrights-sec2 an accessible manner inside Windoze for as long as Windoze persists [13:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.justice.gov | U.S. V. Microsoft: Court's Findings Of Fact ● Jun 20 [14:06] schestowitz-TR ok, give me 5 mins to write a conciuse summary for video and key points........ [14:06] schestowitz-TR draft [14:06] Techrights-sec2 here's one overview https://www.wired.com/2002/11/u-s-v-microsoft-timeline/ [14:06] Techrights-sec2 https://www.wired.com/2001/01/ms-judge-rips-gates-again/ [14:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-U.S. v. Microsoft: Timeline | WIRED [14:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MS Judge Rips Gates Again | WIRED [14:12] Techrights-sec2 checking [14:12] Techrights-sec2 s/looking into/which looked into/ [14:12] Techrights-sec2 Edge is just rebranded Chromium with some proprietary bits thrown in [14:13] schestowitz-TR adding/quoting [14:13] schestowitz-TR cheers, very helpful! [14:16] schestowitz-TR summary added [14:17] Techrights-sec2 np [14:18] schestowitz-TR opposing crime is hatred [14:18] schestowitz-TR we should only have justices and jusgde like Mr. acosta from FL [14:19] Techrights-sec2 https://money.cnn.com/2000/06/07/technology/microsoft_ruling/ [14:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-money.cnn.com | The big breakup - Jun. 7, 2000 [14:20] Techrights-sec2 "In a scathing memorandum that accompanied his 14-page decision ..." [14:20] Techrights-sec2 that link would be useful to have ... [14:20] schestowitz-TR adding to summary [14:26] Techrights-sec2 thanks [14:27] schestowitz-TR there is a saying that I think is a sort of informal guiding motto in TR [14:27] schestowitz-TR even if a thousand people say a lie or someting that is wrong [14:27] schestowitz-TR you should still inists on what it true [14:27] schestowitz-TR and repeat that regardless [14:27] schestowitz-TR because it is important, still [14:27] schestowitz-TR in russia, for inatance [14:28] Techrights-sec2 https://www.inputmag.com/tech/microsoft-is-replacing-edge-with-its-new-chromium-browser-next-week [14:28] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.inputmag.com | Microsoft is replacing Edge with its new Chromium browser next week [14:33] schestowitz-TR is this a url to add? [14:33] Techrights-sec2 nah [14:33] Techrights-sec2 maybe / maybe not relevant : https://privacytests.org/ [14:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-PrivacyTests.org: open-source tests of web browser privacy [14:34] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:36] schestowitz-TR added. [14:36] schestowitz-TR final read... [14:38] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:40] Techrights-sec2 checking [14:40] Techrights-sec2 seems good [14:40] Techrights-sec2 those old links keep getting harder to retrieve [14:44] schestowitz-TR [12:39] Feedburner ended up as experiment for Gulag in how much spying can be done over RSS (after/during/before killing Google Reader). [14:44] schestowitz-TR When the experiment was done Gulag killed off most of Feedburner [14:44] schestowitz-TR [12:45] Techrights will carry on its campaigning against Google News (Gulag Noise), having officially abandoned all of it and having rep [14:44] schestowitz-TR eatedly complained about it getting worse... for years [14:44] schestowitz-TR [12:47] Feedburner is an apt name because it got burned by Gulag after it had burned many sites by encouraging them to outsource their s [14:44] schestowitz-TR yndication. Suffice to say, some sites lost MILLIONS of readers. Why did they trust Feedburner to manage that? Short-sighted. [14:44] schestowitz-TR [10:43] i cant find any site with out google [14:44] schestowitz-TR [10:43] Gulag Inc.Alphabet is a giant waste of energy and Hubris [14:44] schestowitz-TR [12:57] Gulag is about mass surveillance, not code. It's just trying to 'geekwash' of sciencewash an inherently imperialistic function h [14:44] schestowitz-TR ttps://www.geeksforgeeks.org/google-hash-code/ [14:44] schestowitz-TR [11:18] Gulag chooses the world's biggest prison (over 10 million female inmates) for its gulag/DC https://www.dw.com/en/google-cloud-pl [14:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.dw.com/en/google-cloud-pl ) [14:44] schestowitz-TR ans-in-saudi-arabia-risk-lives/a-62169467 [14:44] schestowitz-TR among lots [14:44] schestowitz-TR more [14:44] schestowitz-TR I cannot find what I look for.. something to the effect of us going hard on Google and its manipulation [14:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:50] Techrights-sec2 yes they cheapen and undermine the long history of crime [14:50] Techrights-sec2 google is not good but is still in a whole separate category from M$ [14:50] Techrights-sec2 yes the threat (and damage) is quite different [14:51] schestowitz-TR i have it when people say thiongs like gulag is the next microsoft [14:51] schestowitz-TR that's like saying putin is literallyt hitler [14:51] schestowitz-TR they cheapen the original evil [14:51] schestowitz-TR also, gulag is a very diffeerne tKIND of threat to us [14:53] schestowitz-TR I am still trying to better understand the situation [14:53] schestowitz-TR matey helps a lot (it's fig) [14:53] schestowitz-TR in a nutshell, gulag proactrively bought our hearts, minds,a nd speech [14:53] schestowitz-TR with gesture of supposed goodwill [14:53] schestowitz-TR usually wrapped up in ethno-economic clothing [14:53] schestowitz-TR so that discourages and stigmatises the critics [14:53] Techrights-sec2 they were doing quite well initially, but got taken over in a more or less [14:53] Techrights-sec2 hostile takeover [14:54] schestowitz-TR search foir (ig gulag or its proxy allow it): [14:54] schestowitz-TR brin removed google [14:56] schestowitz-TR lf to linus: thanks, good stuff; but you have skilsl, not money. you need money to get big, now it's us in charge [14:56] schestowitz-TR repeat for fsf and gulag [14:56] schestowitz-TR brin alwaysstroke me as decent and principles (hated autocracy, loved "linux") [14:56] schestowitz-TR made the logo with the GIMP in the 90s [14:56] schestowitz-TR but he's not the decision-making authority anymore [14:57] Techrights-sec2 https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/14/4330704/google-ceo-larry-page-says-his-voice-loss-was-caused-by-vocal-cord [14:57] Techrights-sec2 the MBAs and, presumably via them, the Pentagon took over [14:57] Techrights-sec2 yes they were quite constructive in the beginning before it all got taken [14:57] Techrights-sec2 out of their hands [14:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Google CEO Larry Page says his voice problems were caused by vocal cord paralysis - The Verge [14:58] schestowitz-TR iirc, larry's dad is a lecturer in CS somewhere in a middle state [14:58] schestowitz-TR he's OK [14:58] schestowitz-TR but Brin had a tougher early life experience [14:58] schestowitz-TR so he is more resistant to misuse of power [14:58] schestowitz-TR sorry for all the typos, drink in head [14:58] Techrights-sec2 https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/147363/the-real-mojito/ [14:58] Techrights-sec2 careful with system administration tasks for a bit [14:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Real Mojito Recipe | Allrecipes [14:59] schestowitz-TR no admin at my end, mostly daily links stuff for a while [14:59] schestowitz-TR I start work at 5:30 ● Jun 20 [15:00] Techrights-sec2 https://www.jamieoliver.com/drinks-tube/recipe/cuba-libre/ [15:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jamieoliver.com | Cuba Libre | Drinks Recipes | Drinks Tube [15:05] schestowitz-TR at the gym I have a friend who sparred with Tyson Furty [15:05] schestowitz-TR he's very tall and quite strong [15:05] schestowitz-TR stronger than me in some things [15:05] schestowitz-TR some, not all [15:05] schestowitz-TR I still see him in the street sometimes [15:05] schestowitz-TR we finished with the gym May 2021 [15:05] Techrights-sec2 yes too bad about having to stop the gym [15:05] schestowitz-TR this saves us 1100 pounds a year, savings on gas and water aside, and risk of infection is a lot lower [15:06] Techrights-sec2 there are a lot of advantages which offset some of the obvious disadvantages [15:06] Techrights-sec2 having a bit of distance from work helps with the physical and mental preparation [15:06] Techrights-sec2 but it's not feasible to attend a gym any more, at least not for the foreseable [15:06] Techrights-sec2 future [15:07] schestowitz-TR I had gone there since 2000 [15:07] schestowitz-TR checking covid19 nstats for money, biweekly now, but maybe too early yet [15:14] schestowitz-TR Despite Sharp Rise in COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalisations the British Government Demotes Transparency (From Twice a Week to Once a Week!) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/coronavirus-secrecy/ [15:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Despite Sharp Rise in COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalisations the British Government Demotes Transparency (From Twice a Week to Once a Week!) [15:14] Techrights-sec2 https://www.theringer.com/tech/2018/5/18/17362452/microsoft-antitrust-lawsuit-netscape-internet-explorer-20-years [15:14] Techrights-sec2 https://www.computerworld.com/article/2581555/retiring-microsoft-official-urges-open-source-embrace.html [15:14] Techrights-sec2 " "Useful software written above the level of the single device will command high margins for a long time to come. Stop looking over your shoulder and in [15:14] Techrights-sec2 vent something!" [15:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theringer.com | Crush Them: An Oral History of the Lawsuit That Upended Silicon Valley - The Ringer [15:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Retiring Microsoft Official Urges Open-Source Embrace | Computerworld [15:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:52] u-amarsh04 we still get daily COVID-19 statistics in Australia ● Jun 20 [16:27] schestowitz-TR australia always took it more seriously [16:42] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:45] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 20 [17:01] schestowitz-TR I see more gulagtuber hanging or throwing in the towel [17:02] schestowitz-TR very good [17:03] Techrights-sec2 hopefully they publish one last video on the way out explaining why; [17:03] Techrights-sec2 many have gone to LBRY but I don't think that LBRY can last [17:03] schestowitz-TR When I was about 30 or younger I already saw some kids who dropped out of college, whey they had enrolled, to do [17:03] schestowitz-TR their youtube career [sic] [17:04] schestowitz-TR I have not followed them closely since then, but all the incentives given to celement this monopoly are going away [17:04] Techrights-sec2 they probably went back to finish their degrees [17:04] Techrights-sec2 the youtube videos are peppered with long, unskippable advertisements and [17:04] Techrights-sec2 they get demonetized quickly and for no apparent reason and [17:04] Techrights-sec2 even when they are not demonetized, they bring in negligible money [17:04] Techrights-sec2 so it's a lot of work and no economic reward [17:06] schestowitz-TR som people selectively boast only about their most "successful" videos [17:06] schestowitz-TR that may have gone viral [17:06] schestowitz-TR there is no "recipe" for doing this every day [17:06] schestowitz-TR it's not a fixed income [17:06] Techrights-sec2 it's at best a supplemental income and maybe a hobby which can pay for itself [17:09] schestowitz-TR one reasons many news sites and blogs perish is, [17:09] schestowitz-TR they wrongly assumed ad revenue would be OK [17:09] schestowitz-TR they keep blaming blockers [17:09] schestowitz-TR but the money paid by ads is one massive bubble and a lie [17:09] schestowitz-TR in 2003 I saw some online posters claiming gulag adsenbse had paid them x money [17:09] schestowitz-TR that was not really possible [17:09] schestowitz-TR it sets the wrong expectations [17:10] Techrights-sec2 ad revenue was often a lie [17:10] Techrights-sec2 about 20 years ago, the ad distributors would often refuse to pay any money [17:10] Techrights-sec2 to FOSS-oriented web sites claiming "fraudulent" metrics [17:10] Techrights-sec2 expectations are one thing but getting the agreed upon money out of them is [17:10] Techrights-sec2 another and they generally seem dead set against paying for sites which advance [17:10] Techrights-sec2 GNU or FOSS. Note that Lunduke repeatedly had problems with Youtube not paying [17:10] Techrights-sec2 him for any videos with "Linux" in the title. It got to be so predictable that [17:11] Techrights-sec2 he experimented with that a bit before leaving Youtube completely. [17:12] Techrights-sec2 yes, I figure that has been one of the long running goals across these many [17:12] Techrights-sec2 companies [17:13] schestowitz-TR way to esnure some topics do not get covered at all [17:13] schestowitz-TR or, if they get covered, they never reach mainstream -level exposure [17:13] schestowitz-TR sharing is not good for what they are hoping to accomplish, even if they too are a bubble economy like spotify or -- for wha matter -- youtube [17:13] schestowitz-TR they can go to hell with their wall street bailout "defence" money [17:13] schestowitz-TR they are riding the backs of taxpayers with two daytime jobs [17:14] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:15] schestowitz-TR it's almost 5:30 (work) and already 20.5k reqs in gemini [17:15] schestowitz-TR I have nearly cleaned my feeds [17:15] schestowitz-TR rianne is out hunting for discounts [17:15] schestowitz-TR the meetings for the company should be over by month's end, they keep kicking the can [17:15] Techrights-sec2 any clear idea of what they are procrastinating? [17:16] schestowitz-TR idea yes, clear not [17:22] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:24] schestowitz-TR we get paid in the meantime, about 3k a month, so we don't mind much [17:24] schestowitz-TR I mean, I want to work less [17:24] schestowitz-TR but if not, I still get paid, never mind if money loses its value fast [17:24] schestowitz-TR I don't think anyone get raises proportional to inflation this past year [17:24] schestowitz-TR to reach 55 we need something similar to the rate of spendings [17:24] schestowitz-TR that assumes the pension too itself does not totally collapse [17:24] schestowitz-TR "may you live in interesting times" [17:29] Techrights-sec2 still some plan for pension ought to be carried out IMO ● Jun 20 [18:12] schestowitz-TR the notion of a pension is now unclear to all, who cannot predict the future [18:12] schestowitz-TR billionaires do not need to worry about it [18:12] schestowitz-TR they don't think likwe we do and they are not in the same scenario [18:12] schestowitz-TR the pensions might be at their mercy [18:15] Techrights-sec2 an inflation can munch it all down to nothing in short order [18:15] Techrights-sec2 or another 2008-style bailout can loot the coffers [18:15] schestowitz-TR having more and more stored is not a panacea [18:17] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[18:23] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [18:23] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:26] Techrights-sec2 apparently not [18:26] Techrights-sec2 thus some of the interest around the world in realestate speculation over [18:26] Techrights-sec2 the last 30 years [18:30] schestowitz-TR a helpful thought exercise is, [18:30] schestowitz-TR breaking homes down to bits [18:30] schestowitz-TR (or cars) [18:30] schestowitz-TR and assess the real cost of pertinent parts [18:30] schestowitz-TR ask yourself if the sum total makes sense [18:30] schestowitz-TR if there is a big and growing disparity, you are looking at abundance [18:30] schestowitz-TR with my laptops, I look at the parts [18:30] schestowitz-TR my laptop that I bought cost 200 pounds [18:30] schestowitz-TR a [18:30] schestowitz-TR new laptop 20 years ago cost a lot more for comparable parts with different specs [18:30] schestowitz-TR and adjusted for today's currency it was like 10 times more expensive [18:30] schestowitz-TR laptop, to me, offer a lot of value [18:30] schestowitz-TR like a car to someone else [18:30] schestowitz-TR but they cost like 100 times less [18:35] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:37] schestowitz-TR car: [18:37] schestowitz-TR 4-5 chairs, should be the price of a sofa [18:37] schestowitz-TR chassis, thin metal sheets, 4 wheels and tires, some internal mechanics [18:37] schestowitz-TR china can probably make one for 3 grand [18:37] schestowitz-TR it would not last long [18:37] schestowitz-TR but then again many of today's cars don't either [18:37] schestowitz-TR (depending on where you are, e.g. singapore, a lot of the price of the car is duty/tax) [18:38] Techrights-sec2 the starting list price of vechicle in the US is over $40k [18:38] Techrights-sec2 and few people actually drive cars there, it's mostly trucks in different shapes [18:38] Techrights-sec2 did /any/ of the recent trade press articles about MSIE cover either [18:38] Techrights-sec2 the role in M$ anticompetitive activities or .. [18:38] schestowitz-TR SJVN did [18:38] schestowitz-TR I sent you the link here (IDG, computerowlrld iirc) [18:39] Techrights-sec2 GOod. Ah. Yes, that was an old one though. [18:40] schestowitz-TR it was a new article, saying good riddance to bad rubbish [18:40] schestowitz-TR I guess it's against zdnet coc and "hate speech" [18:40] schestowitz-TR so he posted that in idg [18:40] Techrights-sec2 Old (by certain measures ;) ) [18:40] Techrights-sec2 https://www.computerworld.com/article/3663442/death-of-internet-explorer-good-riddance-to-bad-rubbish.html [18:40] Techrights-sec2 ZDNet'c CoC would shit bricks over the 1990s articles in CNet, Wired, NYT, [18:40] Techrights-sec2 and elsewhere [18:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The death of Internet Explorer: Good riddance to bad rubbish | Computerworld [18:42] schestowitz-TR people find ("doccover") and remember more recent literature [18:42] schestowitz-TR it's the same with wars and politial history [18:42] schestowitz-TR like romantasising all sorts of US presidents, UK monarchs, and PMs [18:42] schestowitz-TR esp. after thy die [18:52] Techrights-sec2 part of it has to do with rhetorical device. people feel obligated to squeeze [18:52] Techrights-sec2 in a compliment at the start of their essay or statement; unfortunately the [18:52] Techrights-sec2 complements often get out of hand and create a myth out of thin air [18:52] Techrights-sec2 https://web.mnstate.edu/alm/humor/ThePlan.htm [18:52] Techrights-sec2 speaking of UK monarchs, I see that Andrew is still distracting from His Billness [18:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.mnstate.edu | In the beginning, there was a plan, and then came the assumptions, [18:52] Techrights-sec2 s/distracting/being used to distract/ [18:57] schestowitz-TR two bills, not just one [18:57] schestowitz-TR in the court of public opinion he already lost [18:57] schestowitz-TR but that does not mean justice [18:57] schestowitz-TR it's a veryt messed up world [18:58] schestowitz-TR a lack of punishment, also for the son of liz, [18:58] schestowitz-TR erodes faith in the establishment in the legal [18:58] schestowitz-TR system [18:58] schestowitz-TR this becomes a rally motive ● Jun 20 [22:15] Techrights-sec2 mostly a smoke screen from bigger fish from what it looks like [22:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@q72j65j6gwghu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell