●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 ●● ● Oct 20 [00:36] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 20 [01:12] *altlink_8e2 has quit (connection closed) [01:12] *altlink_e54 (~altlink_e54@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [02:09] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uywuh3t7awtmu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:25] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2kuh7tc93dcgu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [03:19] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:19] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:19] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:25] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:25] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:25] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [04:02] *n (~amarsh04@xhv46wjs5ij7g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [05:52] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 20 [08:42] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) [08:42] Techrights-sec small changes pushed to Git. Do you have a timeline for when we should [08:42] Techrights-sec try re-scraping the site to rebuild the Gemini mirror? I think [08:42] Techrights-sec there are still a few medium changes needed but not yet noticed. [08:42] Techrights-sec The handling of self-linked images was modified today and that is one [08:42] Techrights-sec such example. [08:43] schestowitz-TR In the past this particular img style was rare, it became more common in the past year or so. Do you still have local copies of all the html of all posts or is another round of scraping needed? [08:46] Techrights-sec No, very few, they took up space but if we re-scrape then I'll keep some on [08:46] Techrights-sec the back up drive(s). [08:47] schestowitz-TR I am trying to think if in one fell swoop we can also make the site static, but we're far too dependent on WordPress workflows. Or maybe something else to be done with the dataset, such as IPFS? [08:47] *activelow (~activelow@774nwuxzfj494.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:55] Techrights-sec It'd be one way to have a static site: archive the old stuff by scraping once [08:55] Techrights-sec and then use Hugo or Pelican or similar for the new posts. The consistency [08:55] Techrights-sec of page steucture provided by a static site generator is an asset. [08:56] schestowitz-TR think sort of 'aloud', even the gemini code depends on wordpress, not to mention bulletins etc. [08:56] schestowitz-TR *thinking [08:58] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [08:58] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] Techrights-sec Yes, though it is mainly dependent on RSS and then having a perfect, consistent [08:59] Techrights-sec structure for each post. ● Oct 20 [09:11] Techrights-sec WordPress is just one means to set the content within a structure. [09:22] Techrights-sec The old stuff won't change. So I will scrape it again and keep the static [09:22] Techrights-sec HTML archived. [09:22] Techrights-sec I'll do 2006 - 2020. [09:23] schestowitz-TR the load would be on a server with loads of extra capacity, so no risk associated with it. That's also a bit of a site backup. Sometimes I wonder about associates files. For a long time now we've not backed up the file system (offsite). [09:23] schestowitz-TR ot (no need to reply): after 5 days I finally get to see a GP (this morning) [09:27] Techrights-sec I don't worry about the file system, beyond the dire need for a full upgrade, [09:27] Techrights-sec I do back up the data every day more or less. [09:28] schestowitz-TR that's very good and a relief to me. I always need to think from the perspective of, what if I vanish for whatever reason and can the data/info stay online for hard-working leakers who take risk? [09:48] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [10:17] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:29] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Oct 20 [12:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@rx8d9wy3k8mvs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [13:11] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:12] schestowitz-TR for comment or correction, draft about finland now in wordpress ● Oct 20 [14:01] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [14:48] Techrights-sec https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211019/09543947778/introducing-techdirt-insider-discord.shtml [14:48] -altlink_e54/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211019/09543947778/introducing-techdirt-insider-discord.shtml [14:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techdirt.com | Introducing The Techdirt Insider Discord | Techdirt [14:49] Techrights-sec ack [14:49] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discord_(software) more javascript [14:49] Techrights-sec proprietary surveillance [14:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Discord (software) - Wikipedia ● Oct 20 [16:20] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:20] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:23] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:29] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [16:32] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:33] *leah has quit (connection closed) [16:33] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:36] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [17:21] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@smbz3chjryf7e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [18:40] Techrights-sec Is it ok to move the spam in the inbox to the spam subdirectory? [18:40] Techrights-sec The messages are about 90% spam. [18:40] schestowitz-TR which account? [18:41] Techrights-sec bytesmedia+bytesmedia.co.uk@ [18:41] schestowitz-TR yes, a purge is longover due, but I think it's pop3 with "leave messages on server"?? Can't recall... [18:42] Techrights-sec I have a IMAPS connection leaving messages on the server. AFAIK POP3 can't. [18:43] schestowitz-TR the spam can be thrown away; maybe at a later stage we'll find that account handy again, though I worry about email in general seeing where mozilla is going (probably coming up with ways to 'monetise' us) [18:45] Techrights-sec Yes, Mozilla has removed mention of Thunderbird from the main part of its [18:45] Techrights-sec web site and you have to know about it a priori to be able to search for it [18:45] Techrights-sec in the search engines and thus find the official page. [18:46] schestowitz-TR all they really needed to do was keep gecko up to date and leave the rest alone; they broke tons of extensions since Ryan got involved. Net gain naught. [18:55] Techrights-sec Negative gain from what I see. They burn through lots of money but almost [18:55] Techrights-sec none of it is spent on software development or future advancement. [18:55] Techrights-sec Google wants them dead, but at a time of their (Google's) choosing and not [18:55] Techrights-sec a minute earlier. GMail has also turned to crap as have just about anything [18:55] Techrights-sec else. Self-hosting means ending up in the spam filter even if one ticks [18:55] Techrights-sec all the right boxes as far DMARC, DKIM, and SPF go. [18:55] schestowitz-TR I want to remind you it was Baker who years ago (not as CEO) opwenly bashed email and said people were mo [18:55] schestowitz-TR ving in "gmaianyway (I think she did mention gmail) [18:55] schestowitz-TR She basically declared defeat when we were doing OK, reminds me of UFI 'secure boot' asnd OOXML [18:56] Techrights-sec I don't remember but it's not a surprise. M$ offers "Outlook" but that's a [18:56] Techrights-sec mail loss system not functional other than for plausible deniability. [18:56] Techrights-sec Yes, I recall also with the browser snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. [18:56] Techrights-sec How is she benifitting Mozilla that she is worth ~ $3 million per year? [18:56] schestowitz-TR no, wait, she netgs this money from Google [18:56] schestowitz-TR and then writes blog posts defending he true paymaster [18:56] schestowitz-TR *her [18:58] Techrights-sec Yep. It also looks like she deepens the dependence on Google rather than [18:58] Techrights-sec working towards independence. It will allow Google to capture the 'market' for [18:58] Techrights-sec e-mail eventually. Facebook is against e-mail. M$ is against e-mail. [18:58] Techrights-sec Google is against e-mail. Several small players like Slack(tm) are also [18:58] Techrights-sec propagandizing against it. [18:58] schestowitz-TR Discord, yay! ● Oct 20 [19:03] Techrights-sec Mozilla started to die when it took on enough bad people to kick out [19:03] Techrights-sec the CTO / CEO over DRM. The rest of the noise was just a distraction. [19:03] Techrights-sec old: https://www.protocol.com/mozilla-layoffs [19:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.protocol.com | Mozilla laid off 250 people, and the company overhaul is just beginning - Protocol The people, power and politics of tech [19:03] schestowitz-TR yesterday I joked with DaemonFC that if they wish to loser users REAL fast now they'd blog something -- anything -- about vaccine mandates [19:03] schestowitz-TR *to lose [19:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 20 [20:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wv6z6s7sbwnkk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:59] *techrights_guest|57 (~5198ef1a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:59] *techrights_guest|66 (~5198ef1a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [21:03] *techrights_guest|0 (~5198ef1a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:04] *techrights_guest|0 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [21:18] *techrights_guest|57 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [21:57] *techrights_guest|66 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Oct 20 [22:11] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [22:16] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:20] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wagsad6a3p648.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:53] *techrights_guest|36 (~5198ef1a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 20 [23:19] *leah has quit (connection closed) [23:19] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell