●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, December 20, 2021 ●● ● Dec 20 [00:09] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:09] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:43] *leah has quit (connection closed) [00:43] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:47] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/CVT1001/status/1472505967434772482 [00:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | The Dissident (@CVT1001): "Gates sexually pursued numerous co-workers, whilst married. Had extra marital affairs, etc. (allegedly). Is this 'nerdy' persona, a 'front' for a sexual predator? How many times was Gates on the Epstein plane, after he was convicted of paedophilia? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique" | nitter ● Dec 20 [01:05] schestowitz > Hi Dr. Roy, [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > Nice to meet you, Im Max from 4EVERLAND, [01:05] schestowitz > I have left a message under you tweet. [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > Really impressed what you did on IPFS. [01:05] schestowitz > Our platform can provide seemingly easier and faster deployment and [01:05] schestowitz > upload services. [01:05] schestowitz > We also provide global acceleration services. [01:05] schestowitz > I think maybe could little helpful to you. [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > If you are interesed in us, please feel free to tell me. [01:05] schestowitz > We would like to Participate in and sponsor our services free to you. [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > Best regards, [01:05] schestowitz > Max [01:05] schestowitz Hi, [01:05] schestowitz Would you provide PINing free of charge? My main limitation is lack of b/w, as I ran IPFS over copper from home. [01:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [02:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [04:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 20 [07:47] schestowitz re "mute is long overdue" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-181221.html#tDec%2018%2011:08:23 I don't see these in my normal monitoring, it's already muted in some sense [07:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, December 18, 2021 [07:48] Techrights-sec most visitors see it afaik [07:48] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:49] schestowitz the main problem is the OT thing in tech channel [07:50] Techrights-sec yes, that is what I mean specifically. [07:56] schestowitz I am planning to do multiple parts about the car thing, he had some on-topic input yesterday, but I need time to process which points are worth making and how. the consultation isn't urgent (deadline). [07:58] Techrights-sec Only mute is needed in the main (tech) channel, to reduce the trolling to [07:58] Techrights-sec a more reasonable level [07:58] Techrights-sec The post in Gemini is near the top, only exceeded by the feed and, for some [07:58] Techrights-sec reason, a post about DDG. [07:59] schestowitz the ddg posts are accessed a lot through social control media ● Dec 20 [08:01] schestowitz 'The consultation period began on 28 September 2021 and will run until 11:45pm on 22 November 2021. Ensure that your response reaches us before the closing date." [08:01] schestowitz https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-modernising-vehicle-standards/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-modernising-vehicle-standards [08:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gov.uk | Future of transport regulatory review: modernising vehicle standards - GOV.UK [08:02] Techrights-sec Oh. That was missed. [08:03] schestowitz in any event, that subject is important and next weekend I have lots of time spare to prepare posts [08:04] Techrights-sec https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en [08:04] Techrights-sec for those outside the UK [08:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ec.europa.eu | Have your say [08:22] *Despatche_ has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [08:28] schestowitz-TR do you want to send a gift or card to kaniini instead of money? We've just sent money [08:29] Techrights-sec The money would arrive in time for XMas. Can I route it through you? [08:29] schestowitz-TR yes, let's do this in ~10 days [08:30] Techrights-sec ack [08:30] schestowitz-TR it would also be listed separately as coming from you [08:31] schestowitz-TR I've just logged in to my bank account for first time since May. I remember checking almost every day about 20 years ago. [08:31] Techrights-sec Either way is fine. [08:37] schestowitz-TR of note: when you pay a lot with cash checking that you're not being cheated on your finances is a lot simpler, hence I rarely log in [08:38] Techrights-sec I almost always get wrong change around here when paying cash [08:38] Techrights-sec A few times they've gotten more experienced workers to help them count it out, [08:38] Techrights-sec too. [08:39] schestowitz-TR only takes a few moments to count [08:40] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:40] Techrights-sec If one knows how ... [08:40] Techrights-sec even basic arithmatic evades that generation in most cases. [08:48] Techrights-sec gemini://gmid.omarpolo.com can do separate file system location-based [08:48] Techrights-sec configurations, including associating MIME types with file names. [08:49] schestowitz-TR i see it in the mailing list archives now [08:49] Techrights-sec maybe switch from Agate? [08:50] schestowitz-TR it sort of works, and some stuff is custom-made to work with it, so unless it breaks badly better to carry on for now? [08:50] Techrights-sec It needs updating, too. [08:51] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:51] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Dec 20 [09:48] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:48] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:50] *wallacer_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:55] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [10:05] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:17] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:22] schestowitz-TR I think it's better to make the car thing a whole series, and step through one issue at a time [10:46] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:47] *activelow (~activelow@yytfysqumc55n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:52] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@yyunjisfxsv9q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [11:16] Techrights-sec router maintenance; offline about 30 minutes ● Dec 20 [12:46] Techrights-sec back [12:46] Techrights-sec https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2021-December/045789.html [12:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lists.torproject.org | [tor-talk] Tor Browser HTTPS-Only Mode [12:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:56] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:56] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [13:12] schestowitz The setting up of a R115a is something I have been expecting for a long time. [13:12] schestowitz OP by video still do not have any legal basis in the EPC and in its implementing Regulations. [13:12] schestowitz It would however make it pretty obvious that the EPC is trodden on, so it is better to clad in decisions of the president or in the RPBA. And what has started in G3/19 [13:12] schestowitz In G 1/21 the presidents representatives have however made abundantly clear that the EPC can be amended by secondary law! This has started with G 2/19 and especially with G 3/19 with the direct complicity complicity of the EBA [13:12] schestowitz The problem with OP by ViCo is that in their present embodiment allow the deciding panel, be it in first instance or in appeal, not to sit together. [13:12] schestowitz It is difficult to claim that the EPC being silent about this case it allows it. But the management supported by the AC decides what it wants, as long as it can promise savings to the AC, the latter will gobble anything presented by the president. [13:13] schestowitz What is not normal at all, is that the conference of ministers in charge of patents in the contracting states, as foreseen in Art 4a, has never been convened. That the two presidents since its adoption do not like it is irrelevant. They are appointed to apply the EPC not to disregard or worse maim it! [13:13] schestowitz This is however what has happened since 2010 [13:13] schestowitz From: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/12/14/epos-boards-of-appeal-to-move-back-to-munich/ [13:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO's Boards of Appeal to Move Back to Munich - Kluwer Patent Blog [13:15] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/12/14/epos-boards-of-appeal-to-move-back-to-munich/ [13:15] schestowitz " [13:15] schestowitz If a director wants to influence the behaviour of an ED (or even an OP) he has two ways. [13:15] schestowitz He can advise, not to say order the ED to decide in a certain way, i.e. he acts as a kind of 4th member. This is indeed perfectly illegal. [13:15] schestowitz The more subtle way, but legal, is to put himself in the ED. When you know that nowadays examiners only receive 5 years contracts, it is very easy for a director to obtain the result he wants when he is chairing the ED. [13:15] schestowitz For examiners with a life contract, the bonus distribution or the marking could suffer. [13:15] schestowitz As marking is a discretionary power, unless it is flagrantly incorrect, neither the internal appeal committee nor the ILO-AT in Geneva will bat an eyelid. [13:15] schestowitz One way to bring such aspects to light would be to publish in the register the various compositions in time of the ED (or the OD). After all it is the case in the BA, why should it not be the case in first instance. [13:15] schestowitz Another way to bring such aspects to light would be to publish the reasons for the internal decision of the ED, i.e. the Votum, that means the presently non-public part of Form 2035. [13:15] schestowitz After all the reasons for refusal are public, why should not the reasons for grant be public? [13:15] schestowitz I know applicants fear that it could influence what is happening in other jurisdictions, like in the US, but this is not a reason not to be honest. [13:15] schestowitz I am pretty sure, should the votum become public, that we would come across nice surprises, but it would force ED to really reflect on what is proposed by the first examiner. [13:15] schestowitz When you see a search report full of X documents and after none or purely cosmetic amendments or a mere statement of the applicant, it ends up by a direct grant, one wonders what happened. It is manifest that something went wrong during the search. [13:15] schestowitz The same applies when claims are limited by features from the description and the next step is grant. Was the search complete? Often reasonable doubts are justified. [13:15] schestowitz No wonder that in lots of cases the opponent brings then the relevant prior art and the patent is either revoked or maintained in amended form. This results in an absolute waste of money and resources [13:15] schestowitz Nowadays the two other members merely sign what has been proposed by the 1st examiner. In the past they could briefly meet or the chairman would go down the corridor to see the 1st member, but with teleworking becoming the norm, it is much too complicated. [13:15] schestowitz When looking at certain SPV it is manifest that the ED did not work properly. [13:15] schestowitz The conclusion is clear: there is no legal loophole to be closed when the director acts intelligently! [13:15] schestowitz " [13:24] Techrights-sec https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2021-December/045789.html [13:24] Techrights-sec ack [13:24] Techrights-sec s/not just a computer onboard but several/not just a computer onboard but many/ [13:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lists.torproject.org | [tor-talk] Tor Browser HTTPS-Only Mode [13:24] schestowitz-TR can you research for me example of numbers and spacs? [13:24] schestowitz-TR I want to make it a URL [13:24] schestowitz-TR I am clueless about today's cars [13:25] Techrights-sec Unfortunately so am I... [13:25] Techrights-sec Most car fanatics I know consider the car a single system and ignore the many [13:25] Techrights-sec microcontrollers. I have the feeling that on top of that most of the information [13:25] Techrights-sec is proprietary [13:25] schestowitz-TR the media does not inform people about it [13:25] schestowitz-TR I only realise how big an issue it was when supply chain woes caused price spikes and chshortages [13:27] schestowitz-TR I will do a video about this shortly and can focus on authoritative page about the number of processors [13:27] schestowitz-TR I know about the "micro" ones, which are at the ends, but not sure how they qualify wrt to "computer" [13:29] Techrights-sec there are manmy microcontrollers, I guess based on activities, and at least [13:29] Techrights-sec two full computers [13:29] schestowitz-TR surely someone rote about those specs already, maybe wikipedia has a subsection? [13:36] Techrights-sec very old: https://www.openssh.com/agent-restrict.html [13:36] Techrights-sec ^http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-oakland2010.pdf [13:36] Techrights-sec another site, with a comment going to a dead MIT link, suggests 50 to 70 [13:36] Techrights-sec "Electronic Control Units" in cars as of ten years ago. [13:36] Techrights-sec https://spectrum.ieee.org/this-car-runs-on-code [13:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openssh.com | SSH agent restriction [13:36] Techrights-sec That's even older [13:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-spectrum.ieee.org | This Car Runs on Code - IEEE Spectrum [13:36] Techrights-sec https://ceinetwork.com/cei-blog/auto-computers-means-complicated-costly-longer-repairs/ [13:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ceinetwork.com | More Auto Computers Means More Complicated, Costly and Longer Repairs | CEI Network [13:36] Techrights-sec these parts are controlled by computers: [13:36] Techrights-sec Engine control, Exhaust control, Heating/cooling, Fuel pump, Water pump, Transmission, Power steering, Brakes, T [13:36] Techrights-sec raction control, Airbags, Collison warning, Parking assist, Backup monitoring, Door and trunk locks, Power windo [13:36] Techrights-sec ws, Climate control, Power seats, Wipers, Charging system, Interior lighting, Brake lights, turn signals, Headla [13:36] Techrights-sec mps/daytime running lamps, Navigation, Car audio, and GPS [13:36] schestowitz-TR wow. we really ought to do a whole part about this [13:37] schestowitz-TR these are all proprietary, but now they get connected to the Internet and more [13:38] schestowitz-TR some are connected less directly to the Net, e.g. their local (car) mother ship, which is in turn controlled by a bigger mother ship (vendor/government/cracker) [13:42] Techrights-sec https://www.tomsguide.com/us/car-can-bus-hack,news-25674.html [13:42] Techrights-sec It's largely ignored because, as mentioned, car fans see the vehicle as a [13:42] Techrights-sec physical object still when in reality most of it is software. [13:42] Techrights-sec Yes, all proprietary and restricted so as to lock out independent repair shops. [13:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tomsguide.com | How a Hacker Could Hijack Your Car While You Drive | Tom's Guide [13:42] Techrights-sec and mechanics. [13:42] Techrights-sec There was a lot of attention to this about 10 years ago in the various security [13:42] Techrights-sec conferences. Then a burst of information as some of the embargoes were lifted. [13:42] Techrights-sec I presume the quietness on that front means that more of the researchers are [13:42] Techrights-sec under NDAs again. [13:42] Techrights-sec add side- and rear-view mirrors to that long list above. [13:44] schestowitz [17:22] with plate readers everywhere you now get better privacy as a passenger in a taxi than as driver of 'your' car [13:44] schestowitz I reckon RMS will say taxi is OK for the same reason he says ATM is OK [13:44] schestowitz it's somebody else's proprietary system, not your own [13:47] Techrights-sec Shmoocon, DefCon, and BlackHat usually have automative tracks. [13:47] Techrights-sec That's unfortunately a cop out. It ignores the problem, allowing it to worsen [13:47] Techrights-sec and become both more entrenched and far more dangerous, instead of addressing [13:47] Techrights-sec it head on or otherwise. General purpose computing is niche nowadays, and [13:47] Techrights-sec that niche has been shringing. The multinationals also appear to be aiming [13:47] Techrights-sec to eliminate it eventually. UEFI, TPM, DRM etc [13:47] Techrights-sec https://ceinetwork.com/cei-blog/auto-computers-means-complicated-costly-longer-repairs/ [13:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ceinetwork.com | More Auto Computers Means More Complicated, Costly and Longer Repairs | CEI Network [13:47] schestowitz-TR almost nobody covers these issues, so it's a vacuum we can fill in the coming weeks/months [13:53] Techrights-sec https://eu.freep.com/story/money/cars/2021/06/15/car-chip-shortage-2021/7688773002/ [13:53] Techrights-sec https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/business/auto-semiconductors-general-motors-mercedes.html [13:53] Techrights-sec https://spectrum.ieee.org/software-eating-car [13:53] Techrights-sec yes. security has to be part of the design process, but it hasn't been [13:53] Techrights-sec thus we end up with not just CAN but with /everything/ integrated with it [13:53] Techrights-sec Check the IEEE article above first... "7,000 external signals", "120 ECUs" [13:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.freep.com | Car chip shortage 2021: Everything you need to know [13:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.nytimes.com | A Computer Chip Shortage Has Hobbled the Auto Industry - The New York Times [13:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-spectrum.ieee.org | How Software Is Eating the Car - IEEE Spectrum [13:53] schestowitz-TR I don't know what an ECU is, at least the acronym. will do some reading for a later part [13:55] schestowitz-TR bbl, going to record some stuff now to avoid falling behind, causing avoidable near-burnout [13:55] Techrights-sec Mentioned above somewhere: Electronic Control Unit (as euphamism for computer) [13:57] Techrights-sec s/euphamism/euphemism/ [13:57] schestowitz-TR ty [13:57] schestowitz-TR ack [13:57] Techrights-sec ack [13:57] Techrights-sec np ● Dec 20 [15:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 20 [16:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:40] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [17:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@sxxrj4xpkywt2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [18:02] schestowitz " [18:02] schestowitz Dear SUEPO Members, dear colleagues, [18:02] schestowitz As we approach the holidays, we would like to wish you and your partners and families all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. [18:02] schestowitz Use the time to rest and to gather strength so that we can face the challenges of 2022 TOGETHER, UNIFIED AND STRONG. [18:02] schestowitz Joyeux Nol und einen guten Rutsch ins 2022! [18:02] schestowitz SUEPO Munich [18:02] schestowitz " [18:03] schestowitz " [18:03] schestowitz Dear SUEPO Members, dear colleagues, [18:03] schestowitz We would like to wish you and your loved ones a healthy and restful holiday break. [18:03] schestowitz In 2021, SUEPO The Hague and our SUEPO elected Staff Representatives have been involved in several important matters. For example, the legal procedures relating to the SAP and the Education Reform; various working groups like New Normal, Salary Savings Plan, Diversity & Inclusion, Occupational Health Service reform, Appeals Committee reform, Job group 5-6 and Staff Rep resources; workshops on Education Reform and Mental Health; follow up on the [18:03] schestowitz Health crisis management related with the pandemic situation. [18:03] schestowitz In view of all of this, it was a busy year - and we thank our members and staff at large for their continued support. Together we have been able to make a difference in the way that the administration deals with us. A recent example were the judgments at the ILOAT regarding the Strike regulations. Thanks to the legal effort of our members we were able to reverse the unlawful regulations from the previous administration. It took eight years to [18:03] schestowitz obtain this decision - but it is there, and it is thanks to your continued support. This result gives us all encouragement and shows the way forward. [18:03] schestowitz We thank the many new members that have been joining SUEPO The Hague in 2021, continuing the trend from 2020. Looking into 2022 we hope to bring further members to our union, in particular the colleagues that have joined the EPO in the last 10 years. The future of our union is theirs. [18:03] schestowitz We look into 2022 with a new and reinforced Committee: several new members have joined, and are ready to help to improve our union and deal with the challenges ahead. We also look back and acknowledge the contribution of the members that left the committee. We thank them for all their hard work and commitment. [18:03] schestowitz Finally, we want to thank you once more and in saying goodbye to 2021 we reiterate our wishes for a healthy and hopeful 2022 - and we look forward to another new year as the main social partner of the administration. [18:03] schestowitz Your SUEPO Committee [18:03] schestowitz " [18:09] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:09] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [19:14] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting) ● Dec 20 [20:06] *Seaduck- has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) [20:08] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:33] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:37] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 20 [21:18] schestowitz > *Do you think this posting crosses the line of propriety or taking into [21:18] schestowitz > account that in the past I have posted some lightly salacious stuff, is [21:18] schestowitz > it O.K.? * [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] schestowitz > *http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/ [21:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tobkes.othellomaster.com | Harvey Tobkes Blog Archive FOUR THINGS REAL MEN LIKE ~ (The order of preference may vary) [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/>* ) [21:18] schestowitz > [21:18] schestowitz > [21:18] schestowitz > *Yes or no?* [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] schestowitz > * [21:18] schestowitz > *Not to worry, it is hidden because I pre-dated it to Dec. 31st, 2011* [21:18] schestowitz The main issue is that Google may send a warning about the ads being tied to such images, but Google pays not even a dollar a year for ads, so I don't mind... [21:18] schestowitz Go for it. [21:19] schestowitz > *Do you think this posting crosses the line of propriety?* [21:19] schestowitz > * [21:19] schestowitz > * [21:19] schestowitz > *http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/* [21:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/* ) [21:19] schestowitz > [21:19] schestowitz > [21:19] schestowitz > [21:19] schestowitz > *I have it hidden by pre-dating it to Dec. 31st, 2011* [21:19] schestowitz Seems OK to me. Google has no issue with man nipples, only women's nipples. [21:45] *techrights_guest|52 (~5b5a7e3a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:58] *techrights_guest|52 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Dec 20 [22:02] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Dec 20 [23:17] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [23:17] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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