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| schestowitz__ | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-inexorable-rise-of-epo-oral.html?showComment=1611179817027#c7633250144337924548 | Jan 21 13:44 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The inexorable rise of EPO oral proceedings by video conference - The IPKat | Jan 21 13:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Dear Anon of 10.47 | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I am inclined to think that you are much more familiar with UK practice than with European practice. | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | As far as I know, UK appeal is much more law based than at the EPO. This is certainly not the case at the boards. When the documents (prior art, requests) filed in appeal are admitted in the procedure, the discussion is mainly about technique. | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | In opposition, there is also not a lot of written input at the EPO, as there are in general at best two exchanges. The OD summons rapidly to OP in order to avoid ping-pong between opponent and proprietor. If possible the OD gives its provisional opinion in the annex to the summons. | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | In my experience and should necessity arise, the applicant/inventor is as useful in opposition as in examination. But be it in examination a representative should know from its client what his needs are and what is useless to him. | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Whether one takes Japanese or US applicants, or applicants sitting next door to the EPO, they are mostly using qualified representatives. | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | That UK representatives have longer to travel to the EPO than Munich ones is not a reason to have OP in form of a ViCo. The same applies for Finnish or Turkish representatives. | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 13:44 |
| schestowitz__ | vzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352287554226286592 | Jan 21 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Biggest threat is the return of the STRONGER patent act, as announced by Tillis yesterday, and soon Coons? | Jan 21 16:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352253077382967298 | Jan 21 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz @jimmac @dohbee When it comes to community, open standards (with interoperability) is much more i… https://t.co/iB5v3cySm1 | Jan 21 16:34 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz @jimmac @dohbee When it comes to community, open standards (with interoperability) is much more i… https://t.co/iB5v3cySm1 | Jan 21 16:34 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | When it comes to community, open standards (with interoperability) is much more important than "mandating" FOSS tools. | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | (FOSS tools are still very good to suggest and try to use, but being able to work together effectively is even more important.) | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352251492208619520 | Jan 21 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Agreed! If proprietary tools couldn't be used, BlueCurve and Tango would not exist. Back then, I… https://t.co/0lY3uSp4rL | Jan 21 16:34 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Agreed! If proprietary tools couldn't be used, BlueCurve and Tango would not exist. Back then, I… https://t.co/0lY3uSp4rL | Jan 21 16:34 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | Agreed! | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | If proprietary tools couldn't be used, BlueCurve and Tango would not exist. Back then, I used Illustrator on a Mac. (I switched full time to Inkscape during the start of Tango; it didn't exist during BlueCurve). | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | And this is just my story. Many others have their own too. | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352252616718381057 | Jan 21 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Imagine the Linux desktop today if neither BlueCurve nor Tango (& the icon naming spec) ever exis… https://t.co/pTzvJDKXcB | Jan 21 16:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @gez @schestowitz Imagine the Linux desktop today if neither BlueCurve nor Tango (& the icon naming spec) ever exis… https://t.co/pTzvJDKXcB | Jan 21 16:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | Imagine the Linux desktop today if neither BlueCurve nor Tango (& the icon naming spec) ever existed! | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | Face screaming in fear | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | (Others contributed to Tango even more than I did, including @jimmac | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | with oh-so-many icons & @dohbee | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | with the spec. But it wouldn't have happened if FOSS-only was mandated.) | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352243736865079296 | Jan 21 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz I used to think that free software companies should eat their own dogfood, but there are two… https://t.co/Ki7aL20K4T | Jan 21 16:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I used to think that free software companies should eat their own dogfood, but there are two important aspects I was missing: 1) forcing the use of FLOSS shrinks the amount of candidates who can apply for a design job or even making contributions." | Jan 21 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz I used to think that free software companies should eat their own dogfood, but there are two… https://t.co/Ki7aL20K4T | Jan 21 16:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352244340622585857 | Jan 21 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Does that mean that there aren't any artists using FLOSS? Of course not, but truth is that ar… https://t.co/mDACGO5O1y | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Does that mean that there aren't any artists using FLOSS? Of course not, but truth is that ar… https://t.co/mDACGO5O1y | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Does that mean that there aren't any artists using FLOSS? Of course not, but truth is that artists using FLOSS are just a handful, and it's always the same people. And some of them are more capable/prepared than others." | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352244920757710851 | Jan 21 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz 2) Some FLOSS graphics apps are limited, and choosing to use them might mean sacrificing prod… https://t.co/lc3Y6xyITW | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz 2) Some FLOSS graphics apps are limited, and choosing to use them might mean sacrificing prod… https://t.co/lc3Y6xyITW | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | "2) Some FLOSS graphics apps are limited, and choosing to use them might mean sacrificing productivity. Things can be done, but sometimes in a way that is not as enjoyable or efficient as people who use them might need." | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/gez/status/1352245558858153990 | Jan 21 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Allowing people coming from other software to contribute, provide their expertise and insight… https://t.co/kf6mkTSNg7 | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gez: @garrett @schestowitz Allowing people coming from other software to contribute, provide their expertise and insight… https://t.co/kf6mkTSNg7 | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Allowing people coming from other software to contribute, provide their expertise and insights about the tools and trying to capitalize that into making FLOSS options better so they can switch sounds like a way better idea than condemning and demonizing the use of non-free apps." | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352240763908870144 | Jan 21 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Additionally, Madeline is an illustration student. And she's contributing to Fedora using open formats… https://t.co/PUhDYH3ZIi | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Additionally, Madeline is an illustration student. And she's contributing to Fedora using open formats… https://t.co/PUhDYH3ZIi | Jan 21 16:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | Additionally, Madeline is an illustration student. And she's contributing to Fedora using open formats (and even Free Software). | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | Most schools teach with Adobe products… so most FOSS advocates in school will probably still have to use Adobe products from time to time. | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352239488894906370 | Jan 21 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Many of us exclusively use Free Software whenever possible. And that includes design and illustration… https://t.co/YiEjAPTSno | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz Many of us exclusively use Free Software whenever possible. And that includes design and illustration… https://t.co/YiEjAPTSno | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | Many of us exclusively use Free Software whenever possible. And that includes design and illustration work, among many other roles at Red Hat. | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | Please don't point to one instance where someone mentions an Adobe link in a personal blog and then use it demonize all of us. | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/garrett/status/1352237843742138371 | Jan 21 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz There are many of us who work at Red Hat who use Free Software for design, illustration, and so on. I… https://t.co/auFG9Da8fP | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@garrett: @schestowitz There are many of us who work at Red Hat who use Free Software for design, illustration, and so on. I… https://t.co/auFG9Da8fP | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | There are many of us who work at Red Hat who use Free Software for design, illustration, and so on. | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | Including (but not limited to) use of the following software: | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - Inkscape | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - Blender | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - GIMP | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - Krita | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - MyPaint | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - Scribus | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - darktable | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | - Kdenlive | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/gbraad/status/1352224096851935232 | Jan 21 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gbraad: @schestowitz https://t.co/7ZOIQfUAS1 | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.madelinepeck.com | September Blog Post — Madeline Peck | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/gbraad/status/1352223102021713924 | Jan 21 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gbraad: @schestowitz Where did you see she did? She is merely referring to a book she made on an Adobe link. | Jan 21 16:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/mattdm/status/1352221008510517248 | Jan 21 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattdm: This is absolutely true! No purity test is required to participate in Fedora. While the Design Team puts amazing, s… https://t.co/G3XWnvnH7O | Jan 21 16:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mattdm: This is absolutely true! No purity test is required to participate in Fedora. While the Design Team puts amazing, s… https://t.co/G3XWnvnH7O | Jan 21 16:38 | |
| schestowitz__ | "This is absolutely true! No purity test is required to participate in Fedora. While the Design Team puts amazing, significant work into not just evangelizing but actually *teaching* open source tools like Inkscape, Gimp, and Krita, we also don't judge if you use other software." | Jan 21 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/PierreJoye/status/1352197404431245316 | Jan 21 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PierreJoye: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz patch and git can be used anywhere, and from anywhere. | Jan 21 16:38 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/davidjmemmett/status/1352181178422452226 | Jan 21 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@davidjmemmett: @zoobab @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz Git _can_ be centralised, but by design it is decentralised: https://t.co/gRnist9pYf #rtfm | Jan 21 16:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git-scm.com | Git - git-remote Documentation | Jan 21 16:38 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352175180169310221 | Jan 21 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz I use git since the early days, always bragged since day 1 about their "decentralized… https://t.co/A7F3VvImnB | Jan 21 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz I use git since the early days, always bragged since day 1 about their "decentralized… https://t.co/A7F3VvImnB | Jan 21 16:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I use git since the early days, always bragged since day 1 about their "decentralized" claim. The "decentralized" claim was a reaction to SVN. If you blow up Github tomorrow out of the planet, let's hope the "decentralized" argument will hold." | Jan 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/thepotatokitty/status/1352174839579205632 | Jan 21 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thepotatokitty: @bagder @schestowitz Is it just me or the sidebar font in https://t.co/Jdde4RqgOk doesn't look right https://t.co/XrV3py6PCY | Jan 21 16:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> everything.curl.dev | Introduction - Everything curl | Jan 21 16:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thepotatokitty: @bagder @schestowitz Is it just me or the sidebar font in https://t.co/Jdde4RqgOk doesn't look right https://t.co/XrV3py6PCY | Jan 21 16:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/Keruspe/status/1352174654643974144 | Jan 21 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Keruspe: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz So you don’t know how to use git, fine. That doesn’t mean you need to brag about it. | Jan 21 16:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/mousahalaseh/status/1352174442793873408 | Jan 21 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mousahalaseh: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz You can also send a git patch to the mailing-list | Jan 21 16:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352174385835241472 | Jan 21 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @Keruspe @bagder @schestowitz Git is centralized, otherwise there would not be any "hub". | Jan 21 16:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/Keruspe/status/1352173666365304836 | Jan 21 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Keruspe: @zoobab @bagder @schestowitz Hint: git is decentralized, and github isn't the only source of truth. | Jan 21 16:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352172955590160384 | Jan 21 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @bagder @schestowitz How do you make a Pull Request without an account on Github? | Jan 21 16:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/toofeoo/status/1351956759984922625 | Jan 21 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@toofeoo: @schestowitz Arf I can't add him https://t.co/2WZMH8ULNj he is not on fediverse 🙃 Apparently he does not know #hubzilla | Jan 21 16:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> odysee.com | Lunduke on Tech | Jan 21 16:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Arf I can't add him https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e he is not on fediverse | Jan 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Upside-down face | Jan 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Apparently he does not know #hubzilla | Jan 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Jan 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/mfioretti_en/status/1351843635394981888 | Jan 21 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mfioretti_en: @schestowitz shouldn't that be titled "10 bold moves #joebiden can make to be #sanders"? | Jan 21 16:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1351821313715949568 | Jan 21 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: awful, although it's irrelevant what her religion is... https://t.co/lQYT5btXpq | Jan 21 16:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #forcedmarriage https://t.co/kYFoceh5bG | Jan 21 16:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/m_ueberall/status/1351798907106418688 | Jan 21 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@m_ueberall: @schestowitz "What would be really nice here is a tool that would write out lots of information about the files on… https://t.co/bO5wEmAm7X | Jan 21 16:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@m_ueberall: @schestowitz "What would be really nice here is a tool that would write out lots of information about the files on… https://t.co/bO5wEmAm7X | Jan 21 16:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | ""What would be really nice here is a tool that would write out lots of information about the files on a system: their names, sizes, last modified dates, maybe even sha256sum and other data." – For #backups, I rely on #Parchive (an erasure code system): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchive" | Jan 21 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Parchive - Wikipedia | Jan 21 16:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1352295549567967235 | Jan 21 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz If Github is deleted tomorrow, few people have a copy. So much for "decentralized" @rdicosmo | Jan 21 16:44 | |
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